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1. 12:23 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
2. 08:33 AM - Speaker choice and crossover pt (Uncle Comfort)
3. 09:52 AM - Re: Speaker choice and crossover pt (Pete)
4. 10:06 AM - Re: Speaker choice and crossover pt (Uncle Comfort)
5. 11:36 AM - Re: Speaker choice and crossover pt (Pete)
6. 12:44 PM - Re: Speaker choice and crossover pt (NOTGSXR@aol.com)
7. 07:21 PM - Re: Speaker choice and crossover pt (Uncle Comfort)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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| Subject: | Speaker choice and crossover pt |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Uncle Comfort" <unclecomfort@hotmail.com>
Folks,
Just want to find out what diy speaker you use with the xdp-4k? (Scanspeak,
vifa, seas,cdt) and achieve good result? It can e 2-way or 3 way but must be
active.
Also what crossover point you use for the speaker?
Rgd
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| Subject: | Speaker choice and crossover pt |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Pete <dabrow@orange.net>
www.morelusa.com
Poor site, great product. For car use, I would have them over the scans,
or seas any day. I prefer dyns to scans and seas too. For example, I
have a set of cdt eurosport kicking about - vifa mg series they are
nothing in comparison. Compared with id mid bass, again nothing. Better
than any rainbow, phoenix gold, JL I have heard. The seas did not sound
good in the door past 100hz, just not my cup of tea. The scan woofers
are not waterproof for door mount unless you buy genesis offerings at
what is a rip off.
The Renaissance drivers feature in a top scoring sq vehicle. Approx.
360-370 points last time out in IASCA UK street x, that would take 1st
place anywhere in the world I believe.
Cr103 or better tweet - by no means is their smallest tweet a bad tweet!
(if you can get the 101se in on axis I'd use that one or triumph) 5khz+
Mr-56 soft dome mid : 500-5khz. The home version of this driver is used
in a $64,000 speaker - read into that what you wish, can be digested in
many ways.
Wr-6/8 woofer : 78-500hz IB in the door. Double magnet woofer, 3" voice
coils, has the ability to play higher if you go 2 way and can take more
power thanks to hexatech voic coils.
A 2 way wr-6 + tweet crossed at 4khz will also work well.
These drivers fit the car environment very well. If you cannot get them
to sound right, you are doing something wrong, i.e. wrong
application/positioning or not enough quality power.
If you use these drivers you will need quality power. What amps do you
have/plan to have? Any subwoofer preferences?
HTH
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Uncle
Comfort
Subject: XDP4000X-List: Speaker choice and crossover pt
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Uncle Comfort"
<unclecomfort@hotmail.com>
Folks,
Just want to find out what diy speaker you use with the xdp-4k?
(Scanspeak,
vifa, seas,cdt) and achieve good result? It can e 2-way or 3 way but
must be
active.
Also what crossover point you use for the speaker?
Rgd
---
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| Subject: | Re: Speaker choice and crossover pt |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Uncle Comfort" <unclecomfort@hotmail.com>
I am currently running CDT 62HD active. Cross at 5k with 24 db slope. Amp to
tweet is 2x125 from PPI PCX 4125. Amp to mid is 2x320 from PPI PCX 480
bridge. Cannot get the sound I like. very fustrated...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete" <dabrow@orange.net>
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Speaker choice and crossover pt
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Pete <dabrow@orange.net>
>
> www.morelusa.com
>
> Poor site, great product. For car use, I would have them over the scans,
> or seas any day. I prefer dyns to scans and seas too. For example, I
> have a set of cdt eurosport kicking about - vifa mg series they are
> nothing in comparison. Compared with id mid bass, again nothing. Better
> than any rainbow, phoenix gold, JL I have heard. The seas did not sound
> good in the door past 100hz, just not my cup of tea. The scan woofers
> are not waterproof for door mount unless you buy genesis offerings at
> what is a rip off.
>
> The Renaissance drivers feature in a top scoring sq vehicle. Approx.
> 360-370 points last time out in IASCA UK street x, that would take 1st
> place anywhere in the world I believe.
>
> Cr103 or better tweet - by no means is their smallest tweet a bad tweet!
> (if you can get the 101se in on axis I'd use that one or triumph) 5khz+
>
> Mr-56 soft dome mid : 500-5khz. The home version of this driver is used
> in a $64,000 speaker - read into that what you wish, can be digested in
> many ways.
>
> Wr-6/8 woofer : 78-500hz IB in the door. Double magnet woofer, 3" voice
> coils, has the ability to play higher if you go 2 way and can take more
> power thanks to hexatech voic coils.
>
> A 2 way wr-6 + tweet crossed at 4khz will also work well.
>
> These drivers fit the car environment very well. If you cannot get them
> to sound right, you are doing something wrong, i.e. wrong
> application/positioning or not enough quality power.
>
> If you use these drivers you will need quality power. What amps do you
> have/plan to have? Any subwoofer preferences?
>
> HTH
>
> Pete
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Uncle
> Comfort
> To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> Subject: XDP4000X-List: Speaker choice and crossover pt
>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Uncle Comfort"
> <unclecomfort@hotmail.com>
>
> Folks,
>
> Just want to find out what diy speaker you use with the xdp-4k?
> (Scanspeak,
> vifa, seas,cdt) and achieve good result? It can e 2-way or 3 way but
> must be
> active.
>
> Also what crossover point you use for the speaker?
>
> Rgd
>
>
> ---
>
>
> ---
>
>
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| Subject: | Speaker choice and crossover pt |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Pete <dabrow@orange.net>
What are your speaker positions/angles? What car is it? If it is a USA
only type car, give me a good guide :)
Dont the cdt's use a steep x-over normally like 72db octave? They make
a lot of noise about the passive they use too.
Do you have the mids IB in the door, with a good seal/gasket?
Plenty of good quality power there for either dynaudio/Morel USA -
Renaissance. The cdts ARE good speakers for most users, comparatively
they are good for plug and play in standard locations. They are not in
the same league as the source units you are using imho. Before you
change work out why these drivers are not doing what you want. Don't
bother looking at marketing rubbish either from certain brands. The
companies that make the best tend to market less in car audio. Most of
their time is spent on making things better.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Uncle
Comfort
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Speaker choice and crossover pt
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Uncle Comfort"
<unclecomfort@hotmail.com>
I am currently running CDT 62HD active. Cross at 5k with 24 db slope.
Amp to
tweet is 2x125 from PPI PCX 4125. Amp to mid is 2x320 from PPI PCX 480
bridge. Cannot get the sound I like. very fustrated...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete" <dabrow@orange.net>
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Speaker choice and crossover pt
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Pete <dabrow@orange.net>
>
> www.morelusa.com
>
> Poor site, great product. For car use, I would have them over the
scans,
> or seas any day. I prefer dyns to scans and seas too. For example, I
> have a set of cdt eurosport kicking about - vifa mg series they are
> nothing in comparison. Compared with id mid bass, again nothing.
Better
> than any rainbow, phoenix gold, JL I have heard. The seas did not
sound
> good in the door past 100hz, just not my cup of tea. The scan woofers
> are not waterproof for door mount unless you buy genesis offerings at
> what is a rip off.
>
> The Renaissance drivers feature in a top scoring sq vehicle. Approx.
> 360-370 points last time out in IASCA UK street x, that would take 1st
> place anywhere in the world I believe.
>
> Cr103 or better tweet - by no means is their smallest tweet a bad
tweet!
> (if you can get the 101se in on axis I'd use that one or triumph)
5khz+
>
> Mr-56 soft dome mid : 500-5khz. The home version of this driver is
used
> in a $64,000 speaker - read into that what you wish, can be digested
in
> many ways.
>
> Wr-6/8 woofer : 78-500hz IB in the door. Double magnet woofer, 3"
voice
> coils, has the ability to play higher if you go 2 way and can take
more
> power thanks to hexatech voic coils.
>
> A 2 way wr-6 + tweet crossed at 4khz will also work well.
>
> These drivers fit the car environment very well. If you cannot get
them
> to sound right, you are doing something wrong, i.e. wrong
> application/positioning or not enough quality power.
>
> If you use these drivers you will need quality power. What amps do you
> have/plan to have? Any subwoofer preferences?
>
> HTH
>
> Pete
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Uncle
> Comfort
> To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> Subject: XDP4000X-List: Speaker choice and crossover pt
>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Uncle Comfort"
> <unclecomfort@hotmail.com>
>
> Folks,
>
> Just want to find out what diy speaker you use with the xdp-4k?
> (Scanspeak,
> vifa, seas,cdt) and achieve good result? It can e 2-way or 3 way but
> must be
> active.
>
> Also what crossover point you use for the speaker?
>
> Rgd
>
>
> ---
>
>
> ---
>
>
---
---
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| Subject: | Re: Speaker choice and crossover pt |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: NOTGSXR@aol.com
In a message dated 8/2/04 12:52:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dabrow@orange.net writes:
Poor site, great product. For car use, I would have them over the scans,
or seas any day. I prefer dyns to scans and seas too. For example, I
have a set of cdt eurosport kicking about - vifa mg series they are
nothing in comparison. Compared with id mid bass, again nothing. Better
than any rainbow, phoenix gold, JL I have heard. The seas did not sound
good in the door past 100hz, just not my cup of tea. The scan woofers
are not waterproof for door mount unless you buy genesis offerings at
what is a rip off.
The Renaissance drivers feature in a top scoring sq vehicle. Approx.
360-370 points last time out in IASCA UK street x, that would take 1st
place anywhere in the world I believe.
Cr103 or better tweet - by no means is their smallest tweet a bad tweet!
(if you can get the 101se in on axis I'd use that one or triumph) 5khz+
Mr-56 soft dome mid : 500-5khz. The home version of this driver is used
in a $64,000 speaker - read into that what you wish, can be digested in
many ways.
Wr-6/8 woofer : 78-500hz IB in the door. Double magnet woofer, 3" voice
coils, has the ability to play higher if you go 2 way and can take more
power thanks to hexatech voic coils.
A 2 way wr-6 + tweet crossed at 4khz will also work well.
These drivers fit the car environment very well. If you cannot get them
to sound right, you are doing something wrong, i.e. wrong
application/positioning or not enough quality power.
If you use these drivers you will need quality power. What amps do you
have/plan to have? Any subwoofer preferences?
HTH
Pete
Are those the Drivers made in Israel???????????? ;)
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| Subject: | Re: Speaker choice and crossover pt |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Uncle Comfort" <unclecomfort@hotmail.com>
Hi Pete,
I am driving a Madza protege. Right hand drive model though. CDT HD62
MID/MIDBASS is in door stock location with dynamat extreme, tweet is at a
pillar pointing at each other but slightly angled toward the windscreen.
Using 78hz 72db-5k 24dp for mid and 5k 24db for tweet. Sub is IDMAX at 78hz
with 36db slope
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete" <dabrow@orange.net>
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Speaker choice and crossover pt
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Pete <dabrow@orange.net>
>
> What are your speaker positions/angles? What car is it? If it is a USA
> only type car, give me a good guide :)
>
> Dont the cdt's use a steep x-over normally like 72db octave? They make
> a lot of noise about the passive they use too.
>
> Do you have the mids IB in the door, with a good seal/gasket?
>
> Plenty of good quality power there for either dynaudio/Morel USA -
> Renaissance. The cdts ARE good speakers for most users, comparatively
> they are good for plug and play in standard locations. They are not in
> the same league as the source units you are using imho. Before you
> change work out why these drivers are not doing what you want. Don't
> bother looking at marketing rubbish either from certain brands. The
> companies that make the best tend to market less in car audio. Most of
> their time is spent on making things better.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Uncle
> Comfort
> To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Speaker choice and crossover pt
>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Uncle Comfort"
> <unclecomfort@hotmail.com>
>
> I am currently running CDT 62HD active. Cross at 5k with 24 db slope.
> Amp to
> tweet is 2x125 from PPI PCX 4125. Amp to mid is 2x320 from PPI PCX 480
> bridge. Cannot get the sound I like. very fustrated...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pete" <dabrow@orange.net>
> To: <xdp4000x-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Speaker choice and crossover pt
>
>
> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Pete <dabrow@orange.net>
> >
> > www.morelusa.com
> >
> > Poor site, great product. For car use, I would have them over the
> scans,
> > or seas any day. I prefer dyns to scans and seas too. For example, I
> > have a set of cdt eurosport kicking about - vifa mg series they are
> > nothing in comparison. Compared with id mid bass, again nothing.
> Better
> > than any rainbow, phoenix gold, JL I have heard. The seas did not
> sound
> > good in the door past 100hz, just not my cup of tea. The scan woofers
> > are not waterproof for door mount unless you buy genesis offerings at
> > what is a rip off.
> >
> > The Renaissance drivers feature in a top scoring sq vehicle. Approx.
> > 360-370 points last time out in IASCA UK street x, that would take 1st
> > place anywhere in the world I believe.
> >
> > Cr103 or better tweet - by no means is their smallest tweet a bad
> tweet!
> > (if you can get the 101se in on axis I'd use that one or triumph)
> 5khz+
> >
> > Mr-56 soft dome mid : 500-5khz. The home version of this driver is
> used
> > in a $64,000 speaker - read into that what you wish, can be digested
> in
> > many ways.
> >
> > Wr-6/8 woofer : 78-500hz IB in the door. Double magnet woofer, 3"
> voice
> > coils, has the ability to play higher if you go 2 way and can take
> more
> > power thanks to hexatech voic coils.
> >
> > A 2 way wr-6 + tweet crossed at 4khz will also work well.
> >
> > These drivers fit the car environment very well. If you cannot get
> them
> > to sound right, you are doing something wrong, i.e. wrong
> > application/positioning or not enough quality power.
> >
> > If you use these drivers you will need quality power. What amps do you
> > have/plan to have? Any subwoofer preferences?
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Pete
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Uncle
> > Comfort
> > To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: XDP4000X-List: Speaker choice and crossover pt
> >
> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Uncle Comfort"
> > <unclecomfort@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > Just want to find out what diy speaker you use with the xdp-4k?
> > (Scanspeak,
> > vifa, seas,cdt) and achieve good result? It can e 2-way or 3 way but
> > must be
> > active.
> >
> > Also what crossover point you use for the speaker?
> >
> > Rgd
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
>
>
> ---
>
>
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