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1. 11:43 AM - C90's Digital output really analog at heart? (Bobby)
2. 12:30 PM - Various hackery (XDP-210EQ) (Ethan)
3. 07:00 PM - Re: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? (One Park)
4. 07:22 PM - Re: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? (Bobby)
5. 07:38 PM - Re: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? (Mark Laird)
6. 07:42 PM - Re: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? (Tony Antoniou)
7. 07:43 PM - Re: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? (Ethan)
8. 07:54 PM - Re: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? (Tony Antoniou)
9. 07:55 PM - Re: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? (Tony Antoniou)
10. 08:02 PM - Re: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? (Ethan)
11. 08:04 PM - XDP-210EQ schematics (Ethan)
12. 08:29 PM - Re: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? (Mark Laird)
13. 08:50 PM - Re: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? (Matt Dralle)
14. 09:14 PM - unilink (christopher sphon)
15. 09:17 PM - Re: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? (Tony Antoniou)
16. 09:17 PM - Re: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? (Bobby)
17. 09:37 PM - Re: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? (One Park)
18. 09:40 PM - Re: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? (One Park)
19. 10:47 PM - Re: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? (Tony Antoniou)
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| Subject: | C90's Digital output really analog at heart? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby" <bobbybraun@comcast.net>
Was reading through one of the car audio forums when I saw this, is this
true?
"the C90's "digital" output is really SPDIF so it isn't true digital
signals as such. It's converted first from digital to analog in the deck
itself, then converted to a digital signal AGAIN to send to the
processor ( 4000x in your case, 210eq in mine) where the processor has
to decode back to analog AGAIN. :P all this converting can't be good...
well, at least using that will rule out alt noise picked up via RCA's."
First off, I don't know where in the definition of S_PDIF (Sony/Philips
Digital Interface) does it say that a signal must first be converted to
analog before it is converted back to digital as he is describing. In
fact it was my understanding that the S_PDIF format was developed to
avoid having to do just that.
And I wasn't aware that when using the digital output of the C90, that
the DAC's were used at all in the head, I would've thought that it
bypassed those DAC's altogether, which tells me why the VC filters are
disabled when a DSP is hooked up to the unit. Anyone with some
thoughts?
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| Subject: | Various hackery (XDP-210EQ) |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Ethan <telmnstr@757.org>
Hello all.
I have a XDP-210EQ, and am using it with an analog changer. The analog
Sony changer is too loud, and on loudly mastered CDs the XDP-210EQ makes
click noises as the channel peaks out. Anyone else experience this?
Next up. I tried to hook a DVD player into the optical input, just to see
what would happen. It doesn't seem to go digital unlss the unilink device
tells the EQ that it's digital.
So then I got the schematic for one of the digital ouput equipped unilink
changers. According to the schematic (828 changer perhaps?) there is a pin
on one chip that controls analog ro digital mode. There also is the
standard SPDIF to TOSLINK output conversion.
So I've been trying to get schematics for teh MDX-757 changer to see if it
would be possible to retrofit that changer with a digital output.
By any chance does anyone on here have access to the Sony repair site with
the schematics? I'd like to see the 757 changer schematics to perhaps
develop a digital optical output. I'd also like to see the difference
between the digital source selector and the analog source selector (XA-C30
and XA-C30D I think ? or is it XA-U30D). Mainly just to see what can be
done.
It would be awesome to be able to use one of the digital inputs when
video1 from the TV tuner module is activated :-) Don't think it's going to
happen tho. I was kind of dissapointed the TV tuner doesn't show anything
for the EQ, it would have been nice to be able to see the EQ curve on the
TV.
Lastly, the XDP-210EQ has some sort of serial port. Anyone know what this
is for? What it does? Was there any software to communicate with it like
the XDP-4000X?
At some point I will probably build the GUNILINK unilink to PC interface
and get some captures of various functions.
--
// Ethan O'Toole
// http://users.757.org/~ethan
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| Subject: | C90's Digital output really analog at heart? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "One Park" <paikiah@hotmail.com>
>Was reading through one of the car audio forums when I saw this, is this
>true?
>
>"the C90's "digital" output is really SPDIF so it isn't true digital
>signals as such. It's converted first from digital to analog in the deck
>itself, then converted to a digital signal AGAIN to send to the
>processor ( 4000x in your case, 210eq in mine) where the processor has
>to decode back to analog AGAIN. :P all this converting can't be good...
>
>well, at least using that will rule out alt noise picked up via RCA's."
>
>First off, I don't know where in the definition of S_PDIF (Sony/Philips
>Digital Interface) does it say that a signal must first be converted to
>analog before it is converted back to digital as he is describing. In
>fact it was my understanding that the S_PDIF format was developed to
>avoid having to do just that.
>
>And I wasn't aware that when using the digital output of the C90, that
>the DAC's were used at all in the head, I would've thought that it
>bypassed those DAC's altogether, which tells me why the VC filters are
>disabled when a DSP is hooked up to the unit. Anyone with some
>thoughts?
>
Hey Bobby,
from CA.com, huh? ;) I am paikiah, the one who said the digital output of
the C90 isn't true digital signals direct from the CD itself. The CD player
would have to essentially be a CD transporter to have unprocessed,
unconverted digital signals, that would also have to end up in a DAC.
Have you seen the adapter needed to change the analog plug to "digital"?
It's a 10~15 dollar plug. The so-called digital inputs on my PC are the
same. It only accepts, but right behind is a cheap plug that converts
digitised analog signals back to analogue. Myabe I jumped the gun when I
said SPDIF, but what i was trying to say was that the digital output plug
behind the C90 deck is not direct from CD. It has still already been
converted in some way to an analog signal.
You'll find pure digital signals coming out of CD players in mostly the most
expensive players around, called (again) CD transporters. :)
Hope I've explained it alright, cause I think I confused myself in the
process.
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| Subject: | C90's Digital output really analog at heart? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby" <bobbybraun@comcast.net>
Funny coincidence.
I guess I always thought that the converter that plugged in on the back
of the c90 was in some way converting the signal from coaxial digital to
optical digital, I never would've thought Sony would've gone the route
you describe. Maybe I was wrong... Disappointing.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of One Park
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "One Park" <paikiah@hotmail.com>
>Was reading through one of the car audio forums when I saw this, is
this
>true?
>
>"the C90's "digital" output is really SPDIF so it isn't true digital
>signals as such. It's converted first from digital to analog in the
deck
>itself, then converted to a digital signal AGAIN to send to the
>processor ( 4000x in your case, 210eq in mine) where the processor has
>to decode back to analog AGAIN. :P all this converting can't be good...
>
>well, at least using that will rule out alt noise picked up via RCA's."
>
>First off, I don't know where in the definition of S_PDIF (Sony/Philips
>Digital Interface) does it say that a signal must first be converted to
>analog before it is converted back to digital as he is describing. In
>fact it was my understanding that the S_PDIF format was developed to
>avoid having to do just that.
>
>And I wasn't aware that when using the digital output of the C90, that
>the DAC's were used at all in the head, I would've thought that it
>bypassed those DAC's altogether, which tells me why the VC filters are
>disabled when a DSP is hooked up to the unit. Anyone with some
>thoughts?
>
Hey Bobby,
from CA.com, huh? ;) I am paikiah, the one who said the digital output
of
the C90 isn't true digital signals direct from the CD itself. The CD
player
would have to essentially be a CD transporter to have unprocessed,
unconverted digital signals, that would also have to end up in a DAC.
Have you seen the adapter needed to change the analog plug to "digital"?
It's a 10~15 dollar plug. The so-called digital inputs on my PC are the
same. It only accepts, but right behind is a cheap plug that converts
digitised analog signals back to analogue. Myabe I jumped the gun when I
said SPDIF, but what i was trying to say was that the digital output
plug
behind the C90 deck is not direct from CD. It has still already been
converted in some way to an analog signal.
You'll find pure digital signals coming out of CD players in mostly the
most
expensive players around, called (again) CD transporters. :)
Hope I've explained it alright, cause I think I confused myself in the
process.
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| Subject: | C90's Digital output really analog at heart? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Mark Laird" <mark_laird@hotmail.com>
Just because it has a coax (or at least non-optical) output doesn't mean it
isn't digital. You don't need optical to send a digital signal, it works
just as well coming down a copper wire. I don't believe the 211 (or 210)
plug does any kind of analog to digital conversion like you described. And
other than you, I have never read, or heard of the digital signal from cd
converting to analog using the deck's DACs and then being converted back to
digital (using some special ADCs that no one has ever mentioned being built
in) and then sent to the 4000x. Actually, the only down side I ever heard of
in regards to the 4000x, is that you end up bypassing the outstanding DACs
in the C90.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of One Park
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "One Park" <paikiah@hotmail.com>
>Was reading through one of the car audio forums when I saw this, is this
>true?
>
>"the C90's "digital" output is really SPDIF so it isn't true digital
>signals as such. It's converted first from digital to analog in the deck
>itself, then converted to a digital signal AGAIN to send to the
>processor ( 4000x in your case, 210eq in mine) where the processor has
>to decode back to analog AGAIN. :P all this converting can't be good...
>
>well, at least using that will rule out alt noise picked up via RCA's."
>
>First off, I don't know where in the definition of S_PDIF (Sony/Philips
>Digital Interface) does it say that a signal must first be converted to
>analog before it is converted back to digital as he is describing. In
>fact it was my understanding that the S_PDIF format was developed to
>avoid having to do just that.
>
>And I wasn't aware that when using the digital output of the C90, that
>the DAC's were used at all in the head, I would've thought that it
>bypassed those DAC's altogether, which tells me why the VC filters are
>disabled when a DSP is hooked up to the unit. Anyone with some
>thoughts?
>
Hey Bobby,
from CA.com, huh? ;) I am paikiah, the one who said the digital output of
the C90 isn't true digital signals direct from the CD itself. The CD player
would have to essentially be a CD transporter to have unprocessed,
unconverted digital signals, that would also have to end up in a DAC.
Have you seen the adapter needed to change the analog plug to "digital"?
It's a 10~15 dollar plug. The so-called digital inputs on my PC are the
same. It only accepts, but right behind is a cheap plug that converts
digitised analog signals back to analogue. Myabe I jumped the gun when I
said SPDIF, but what i was trying to say was that the digital output plug
behind the C90 deck is not direct from CD. It has still already been
converted in some way to an analog signal.
You'll find pure digital signals coming out of CD players in mostly the most
expensive players around, called (again) CD transporters. :)
Hope I've explained it alright, cause I think I confused myself in the
process.
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| Subject: | C90's Digital output really analog at heart? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Tony Antoniou" <larz@s054.aone.net.au>
Hey Bobby! Long time no speak!
About what you've read in that forum - not so at all. Without having looked
at the schematics for those units (and taking my Sony JA30ES MD component
deck in the studio for this investigation), the schematics for that unit
clearly show the SPDIF feed coming directly from the DSP. As for the digital
input, it has to go through a digital audio interface IC, off to a sampling
rate converter/digital filter then off to the ATRAC codec IC and then off to
the DSP. At no point does the digital signal even approach any of the
ADC/DAC's.
I would assume that the same applied to all SPDIF-equipped devices (without
the ATRAC codec in the case of pure PCM of course) and besides which, it
would minimise component count which would help reduce manufacturing costs!
Whoever said that should be shot dead for that kind of rubbish unless Sony
did something really silly with the C90's - which I sincerely doubt.
Adios,
Tony
--------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums ---------------
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From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bobby
Subject: XDP4000X-List: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby" <bobbybraun@comcast.net>
Was reading through one of the car audio forums when I saw this, is this
true?
"the C90's "digital" output is really SPDIF so it isn't true digital
signals as such. It's converted first from digital to analog in the deck
itself, then converted to a digital signal AGAIN to send to the
processor ( 4000x in your case, 210eq in mine) where the processor has
to decode back to analog AGAIN. :P all this converting can't be good...
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| Subject: | C90's Digital output really analog at heart? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Ethan <telmnstr@757.org>
> Have you seen the adapter needed to change the analog plug to "digital"?
> It's a 10~15 dollar plug. The so-called digital inputs on my PC are the
> same. It only accepts, but right behind is a cheap plug that converts
> digitised analog signals back to analogue. Myabe I jumped the gun when I
> said SPDIF, but what i was trying to say was that the digital output plug
> behind the C90 deck is not direct from CD. It has still already been
> converted in some way to an analog signal.
The output you are referring to is S/PDIF, Sony Phillips Digital
Interface. Most of the chipsets that are in CD players feature this
output. I beleive you will find it is basically raw PCM digital data from
the CD, and has not been converted to analog and back, unless Sony did
this in the head units to run some sort of analog filters, or because of
bad design. I believe people have said the optical digital output only
works with the CD, and not the FM tuner which again would lead me to
believe this output is is nothing more than the SPDIF tap from the CD
playback chipset.
The reason they are so cheap is there is nothing magical about them
anymore. Almost every computer CD-ROM drive has a pair of pins that are
SPDIF output (Digital audio out). Many Soundcards have input and output
sets. Much of the pro-audio equipment used to record music utilizes it.
The optical form is nothing but the same signaling done using LED/light
over a piece of plastic (TOSLink fiber).
The DVD players often use a different signaling when there is 6 discreet
channels. I don't know much about the differences.
There are indeed different signalling for audio as well, such as AES and
Alesis lightpipe (an 8 track format, 48khz 16 and 24 bit used by Alesis
pro audio gear). Not sure what Tascam and other multi-track machines use.
> You'll find pure digital signals coming out of CD players in mostly the most
> expensive players around, called (again) CD transporters. :)
Err my CD transporter is a machine that moves CDs in and out of a drive
for mass production :-)
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| Subject: | C90's Digital output really analog at heart? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Tony Antoniou" <larz@s054.aone.net.au>
So you mean to tell us that the SPDIF encoding of raw PCM audio is not true
digital audio? Of course it is ... the transport is still the same (that
being digital) but all that has changed is the protocol (i.e. the language
in which the digital information is translated to). The audio itself still
remains digital, uncompressed and therefore completely lossless.
If you can back up your claims with a schematic, that would prove that they
are at some point analogue. Otherwise, if they simply change from one
digital transport mechanism to another, whilst only being passed through a
digital resampling/filtering stage at most, then that is not analogue in the
slightest.
The 10-15 dollar plugs you refer to, could you describe them better? Are
they optical to coaxial/RCA converters or something? Sounds like it for that
kind of pricing.
I'm going to look for a schematic on the C90 myself.
Adios,
Tony
--------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums ---------------
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of One Park
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
from CA.com, huh? ;) I am paikiah, the one who said the digital output of
the C90 isn't true digital signals direct from the CD itself. The CD player
would have to essentially be a CD transporter to have unprocessed,
unconverted digital signals, that would also have to end up in a DAC.
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| Subject: | C90's Digital output really analog at heart? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Tony Antoniou" <larz@s054.aone.net.au>
Really? The DAC's in the C90 are better than the 4000x? That's a revelation
... not that I even went to that extent for my set up.
But I'm with you mate, my/our interpretation of the other dude's comments on
those 10-15 adapters is in reference to optical - coaxial converters.
Adios,
Tony
--------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums ---------------
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Laird
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Mark Laird" <mark_laird@hotmail.com>
Just because it has a coax (or at least non-optical) output doesn't mean it
isn't digital. You don't need optical to send a digital signal, it works
just as well coming down a copper wire. I don't believe the 211 (or 210)
plug does any kind of analog to digital conversion like you described. And
other than you, I have never read, or heard of the digital signal from cd
converting to analog using the deck's DACs and then being converted back to
digital (using some special ADCs that no one has ever mentioned being built
in) and then sent to the 4000x. Actually, the only down side I ever heard of
in regards to the 4000x, is that you end up bypassing the outstanding DACs
in the C90.
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Ethan <telmnstr@757.org>
> Really? The DAC's in the C90 are better than the 4000x? That's a revelation
> ... not that I even went to that extent for my set up.
I just ran across this while looking for info on the serial port on the
XDP-210EQ:
U50D - Has a 1-bit DAC
210EQ - Has tri 20-bit burr brown DACs
4000x - Has quad 24-bit Crystal DACs
C910 - Has dual 20-bit burr brown DACs
C90 - Has dual 20-Bit burr brown DACs
I think the top one is sarcasm?
This was posted on this list, by "Colin (DP Motorsport)"
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk in 2003.
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| Subject: | XDP-210EQ schematics |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Ethan <telmnstr@757.org>
Also, if anyone has the PDF schematics for this unit, I'd love to see
them.
I was thinking I ran across them somewhere but didn't save them.
For those interested, here is inside shots of the unit:
http://users.757.org/~ethan/pics/geek/incoming/xdp210eq/
What... is... the EXTRA IO PORT FOR!!!
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| Subject: | C90's Digital output really analog at heart? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Mark Laird" <mark_laird@hotmail.com>
Well, I think better is a relative term :) I meant that by using the 4000x,
you bypass the very nice DACs you pay a lot of money for in the C90. I
actually thought the C90 had 24-bit burr browns and the 4000x had 20-bit
crystals but Ethan's email indicates I've got it backwards. All I know for
sure is that my system sounds better with the 4000x than it did with the
210, or without any processor.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Antoniou
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Tony Antoniou" <larz@s054.aone.net.au>
Really? The DAC's in the C90 are better than the 4000x? That's a revelation
.. not that I even went to that extent for my set up.
But I'm with you mate, my/our interpretation of the other dude's comments on
those 10-15 adapters is in reference to optical - coaxial converters.
Adios,
Tony
--------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums ---------------
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Laird
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Mark Laird" <mark_laird@hotmail.com>
Just because it has a coax (or at least non-optical) output doesn't mean it
isn't digital. You don't need optical to send a digital signal, it works
just as well coming down a copper wire. I don't believe the 211 (or 210)
plug does any kind of analog to digital conversion like you described. And
other than you, I have never read, or heard of the digital signal from cd
converting to analog using the deck's DACs and then being converted back to
digital (using some special ADCs that no one has ever mentioned being built
in) and then sent to the 4000x. Actually, the only down side I ever heard of
in regards to the 4000x, is that you end up bypassing the outstanding DACs
in the C90.
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| Subject: | Re: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>"the C90's "digital" output is really SPDIF so it isn't true digital
>signals as such. It's converted first from digital to analog in the deck
>itself, then converted to a digital signal AGAIN to send to the
>processor ( 4000x in your case, 210eq in mine) where the processor has
>to decode back to analog AGAIN. :P all this converting can't be good...
Ah, no. Here's a schematic snippet from the C90...
http://www.matronics.com/xdp-4000x/C90DigitalOutput.jpg
Pure digital...
Matt
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: christopher sphon <sphon721@yahoo.com>
has anyone messed with the internals of the unilink
cable? i was wondering which wires provided the remote
turn on.
__________________________________
http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
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| Subject: | C90's Digital output really analog at heart? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Tony Antoniou" <larz@s054.aone.net.au>
Thanks Matt ... proof in the pudding that the dude from that other forum
knows nothing about electronics and should be shot for making uneducated
guesses.
Adios,
Tony
--------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums ---------------
Ah, no. Here's a schematic snippet from the C90...
http://www.matronics.com/xdp-4000x/C90DigitalOutput.jpg
Pure digital...
Matt
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| Subject: | C90's Digital output really analog at heart? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby" <bobbybraun@comcast.net>
Thanks Matt, that's what I was looking for.
One Park, maybe you should make an edit to your original post on CA, it
wasn't my intention to bash or flame you by making this post, I just saw
something that I believed to be incorrect, and wanted to double check
before I opened my mouth. Make the edit now so we won't have to listen
to others repeat their 'newly acquired' knowledge of how the C90's
digital out works from your original post.
Thanks all for the quick responses, nice to see people are still hanging
round here, it's been a while since I've seen any activity!
Bobby
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Dralle
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>"the C90's "digital" output is really SPDIF so it isn't true digital
>signals as such. It's converted first from digital to analog in the
deck
>itself, then converted to a digital signal AGAIN to send to the
>processor ( 4000x in your case, 210eq in mine) where the processor has
>to decode back to analog AGAIN. :P all this converting can't be good...
Ah, no. Here's a schematic snippet from the C90...
http://www.matronics.com/xdp-4000x/C90DigitalOutput.jpg
Pure digital...
Matt
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "One Park" <paikiah@hotmail.com>
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby" <bobbybraun@comcast.net>
>
>Thanks Matt, that's what I was looking for.
>
>One Park, maybe you should make an edit to your original post on CA, it
>wasn't my intention to bash or flame you by making this post, I just saw
>something that I believed to be incorrect, and wanted to double check
>before I opened my mouth. Make the edit now so we won't have to listen
>to others repeat their 'newly acquired' knowledge of how the C90's
>digital out works from your original post.
>
>Thanks all for the quick responses, nice to see people are still hanging
>round here, it's been a while since I've seen any activity!
>
>Bobby
>
Bah, if you know how that forum works, then you would've realised by now
it's way too late to make amends. lol
anyway, i thank everyone for the insight and correction. :)
now, can anyone tell me if the U50D's preout is 2v or 4v? When I swapped the
DSP's, the 210 was significantly louder (since I forgot to reduce gain to
0).
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "One Park" <paikiah@hotmail.com>
>Thanks Matt ... proof in the pudding that the dude from that other forum
>knows nothing about electronics and should be shot for making uneducated
>guesses.
>
>Adios,
>Tony
How about I shoot you in the noggin instead? I relayed was what I was told,
now apparently false info. Excuse me for making an error. Geez.
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| Subject: | C90's Digital output really analog at heart? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Tony Antoniou" <larz@s054.aone.net.au>
If you did what Bobby did and check with other sources as to the truth
behind "what you were told", then you wouldn't have made the error that some
other unsuspecting reader could've also believed.
Just half the problem with the internet unfortunately.
Adios,
Tony
--------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums ---------------
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of One Park
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "One Park" <paikiah@hotmail.com>
How about I shoot you in the noggin instead? I relayed was what I was told,
now apparently false info. Excuse me for making an error. Geez.
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