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1. 07:27 PM - XA-D211 Optical Output Adaptor NIB on eBay! (Randy Visentine)
2. 07:51 PM - Use a Car PC with XDP-4000x - What about UNILINK? (Randy Visentine)
3. 07:53 PM - Re: Sony C90s on EBay... (Matt Dralle)
4. 08:02 PM - XMRadio Sound Quality Sucks... (Matt Dralle)
5. 08:30 PM - Re: Use a Car PC with XDP-4000x - What about (Matt Dralle)
6. 08:30 PM - Re: Use a Car PC with XDP-4000x - What about UNILINK? (Ethan)
7. 08:34 PM - Re: Use a Car PC with XDP-4000x - What about UNILINK? (Ethan)
8. 08:37 PM - Re: XA-D211 Optical Output Adaptor NIB on eBay! (Ethan)
9. 08:43 PM - Re: Use a Car PC with XDP-4000x - What about (Matt Dralle)
10. 08:44 PM - Re: XA-D211 Optical Output Adaptor NIB on eBay! (Matt Dralle)
11. 09:01 PM - Re: XA-D211 Optical Output Adaptor NIB on eBay! (DB)
12. 09:26 PM - Re: XA-D211 Optical Output Adaptor NIB on eBay! (Ethan)
13. 09:34 PM - Re: XA-D211 Optical Output Adaptor NIB on eBay! (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle))
14. 09:51 PM - Re: Use a Car PC with XDP-4000x - What about UNILINK? (Randy Visentine)
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| Subject: | XA-D211 Optical Output Adaptor NIB on eBay! |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Randy Visentine <randyman@gmail.com>
See it here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item5843741238&fromMakeTracktrue
And is it just me, or has there been a TON of C90's on eBay lately? Our
babies are getting old!
--
Randy V.
Houston, TX
Audio-Dude/Musician/Crazy Guy
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| Subject: | Use a Car PC with XDP-4000x - What about UNILINK? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Randy Visentine <randyman@gmail.com>
Hello,
I am still heavily reserching a "Car PC" to replace my C90. It would
function as a Music Server w/ a large HD, a DVD-Navigation unit, DVD-Movie
player, and have regular old PC functionallity. I was initially planning on
using an 8-output Firewire soundcard to act as the discrete outputs to each
amp, and process the DSP inside the PC with Audio Software Plug-Ins (make a
seperate "Track" for each set of outs, and insert appropriate DSP plug-ins
on each track for EQ, Crossover, and delay).
Well, I have been noticing just how much I really like the XDP-4000x's DAC's
and EQ. So smooth w/o being harsh, but still "Quick". So, is there any way
to have a PC Talk to the XDP-4k's Unilink port to control Volume and EQ/DSP
preset selection (I'd be removing the C90)? I know I could theoretically
hook up the XDP's Serial Port to the PC, and change DSP presets from the DSC
software, but I'd still need a way to send a "Turn On" signal to the XDP, as
well as a way to control the Volume. I would only need one Toslink Input to
be active, but input switching would be a killer option, too.
I recall reading about Gnu-Link or something. Would this do what I need?
Not much comes up on Google for "Gnu-Link/Unilink/Sony", and I thought this
was more for CD-Players and stuff? If I could retain the XDP-4K, this would
save me over $500 on a Firewire Soundcard, AND the XDP would still probably
sound better (would also lessen the PC's CPU load)!
Spending $200-$300 on a Unilink-to-PC converter that would allow this to
happen is not out of the question... I am even willing to pay for any
correspondence if any tricky programming is needed for the XDP-4k's Unilink
Protocol.
Even a standalone Unilink controller would be fine as long as I have a
tactile Volume control, and a way to change DSP presets (and access to one
Toslink Input). I am no good at programming and "Reverse Engineering" code,
but I can easily build a PC. Making harnesses or adaptors is cake - but
having to program anything is a bit above my head right now.
Thanks a million for any insight. I have a feeling if I can make this
happen (with your help), I will dive into this project very very soon.
Otherwise, it will linger for a while longer, and my C-90's display will
continue to be 100% un-readable during the day ;-) ...
--
Randy V.
Houston, TX
Audio-Dude/Musician/Crazy Guy
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| Subject: | Re: Sony C90s on EBay... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
At 07:27 PM 12/18/2005 Sunday, you wrote:
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Randy Visentine <randyman@gmail.com>
>
>And is it just me, or has there been a TON of C90's on eBay lately? Our
>babies are getting old!
>
>--
>Randy V.
>Houston, TX
>Audio-Dude/Musician/Crazy Guy
And, and to think there still isn't really anything out there that touches the
C90 for quality or class. Sony continues its downward spirl in to consumer grade
cheap crap. If I had to do a new install today, I don't know what I would
pick. Amazing.
Matt
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| Subject: | XMRadio Sound Quality Sucks... |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
I've had XM radio since near its introduction a few years ago. I have the XT-XM1
on both of my C90 systems as well as couple PCR USB controlled units and a
number of the Delco Xfi boxes. I listen to primarily two channels, "Audio Visions"
on 77 and "BPM" on 81. While the sound quality on 77 seems to have remained
fairly consistent, the quality on 81 just continues to degrade in my opinion.
81 plays Pop Dance music and there is a lot of synthesized digital music
with a lot of highs. It seems like they are compressing the channel so much
that a 32bps Internet radio channel sounds about as good. My 128bps MP3s sound
fantastic in comparison. Frankly, AM radio sounds about as good as BPM and
most of the XM channels these days. I know they have a really small channel bandwidth
for all of the XM stuff - something like 12.5Mhz - but still they keep
adding all of this crap (weather, traffic, bla bla bla) to the channel line
up and continue turning the bps down on all the music channels.
I've written XM numerous emails and even talked to them on the phone once about
the fidelity issues. It was so aggravating; all they kept repeating was "Its
digital quality; you must have a problem with the way you have it connected...".
I've gotten that both on the phone and over email. Its like they refuse
to admit how crappy the quality is.
Am I alone in this, or have others noticed it too?
Matt
Livermore, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Use a Car PC with XDP-4000x - What about |
UNILINK?
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Certainly an interesting project idea. GNUlink is the "Changer-side" emulation.
What you're talking about is the "Master-side" emulation of the Unilink protocol.
There have been no projects on the web that I am aware of that address
Master-side emulation. I have personally done nearly a full Changer-side reverse
engineering of the Unilink protocol and have embedded code running that
works well. It is 100% custom code and does not utilize any other projects code
found on the web. With the experience I got in reversing the changer-side
emulation, I was thinking the other day that writing a master-side emulator would
be kind of an interesting project. But, this is a formidable task and would
take a fair amount of time and programming. Something I might try in the future,
but not till I finish the changer-side emulator. By the way, I have full
CD-Changer emulation working including full Track, Artist, and Listing functions
working. MD-Changer emulation is mostly working but I still have a few
things left to get going. One problematic thing about the Unilink protocol is
that its not particularly tightly emulated or specified it would seem. There
are lots of what-ifs and good-enoughs in the protocols and support for various
functions. Timing also seems to be equally lax and inconsistent from head unit
to head unit. It all makes for a rather perplexing reverse engineering task.
Matt
At 07:51 PM 12/18/2005 Sunday, you wrote:
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Randy Visentine <randyman@gmail.com>
>
>Hello,
>
>I am still heavily reserching a "Car PC" to replace my C90. It would
>function as a Music Server w/ a large HD, a DVD-Navigation unit, DVD-Movie
>player, and have regular old PC functionallity. I was initially planning on
>using an 8-output Firewire soundcard to act as the discrete outputs to each
>amp, and process the DSP inside the PC with Audio Software Plug-Ins (make a
>seperate "Track" for each set of outs, and insert appropriate DSP plug-ins
>on each track for EQ, Crossover, and delay).
>
>Well, I have been noticing just how much I really like the XDP-4000x's DAC's
>and EQ. So smooth w/o being harsh, but still "Quick". So, is there any way
>to have a PC Talk to the XDP-4k's Unilink port to control Volume and EQ/DSP
>preset selection (I'd be removing the C90)? I know I could theoretically
>hook up the XDP's Serial Port to the PC, and change DSP presets from the DSC
>software, but I'd still need a way to send a "Turn On" signal to the XDP, as
>well as a way to control the Volume. I would only need one Toslink Input to
>be active, but input switching would be a killer option, too.
>
>I recall reading about Gnu-Link or something. Would this do what I need?
>Not much comes up on Google for "Gnu-Link/Unilink/Sony", and I thought this
>was more for CD-Players and stuff? If I could retain the XDP-4K, this would
>save me over $500 on a Firewire Soundcard, AND the XDP would still probably
>sound better (would also lessen the PC's CPU load)!
>
>Spending $200-$300 on a Unilink-to-PC converter that would allow this to
>happen is not out of the question... I am even willing to pay for any
>correspondence if any tricky programming is needed for the XDP-4k's Unilink
>Protocol.
>
>Even a standalone Unilink controller would be fine as long as I have a
>tactile Volume control, and a way to change DSP presets (and access to one
>Toslink Input). I am no good at programming and "Reverse Engineering" code,
>but I can easily build a PC. Making harnesses or adaptors is cake - but
>having to program anything is a bit above my head right now.
>
>
>Thanks a million for any insight. I have a feeling if I can make this
>happen (with your help), I will dive into this project very very soon.
>Otherwise, it will linger for a while longer, and my C-90's display will
>continue to be 100% un-readable during the day ;-) ...
>
>--
>Randy V.
>Houston, TX
>Audio-Dude/Musician/Crazy Guy
>
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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| Subject: | Re: Use a Car PC with XDP-4000x - What about UNILINK? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Ethan <telmnstr@757.org>
The project is called GNUnilink. I'm told there is a Winamp plugin that
will allow you to control Winamp (windows mp3 player) via the head unit
buttons, and perhaps show the title information.
I've heard the XDP-4000x adds a bit of a delay to audio, so unless you can
somehow unsync video then movie playback thru it will be troublesome.
Matt hooked me up with the codes that should tell Sony products that the
changer is in "digital" mode versus "analog" mode, but when looking at the
PIC source for the GNUnilink project, what they are throwing at the
headunit looks quite a bit shorter...
GNUnilnk tells the headunit that there is a changer attached, and button
presses on the headunit can be relayed out of the GNUnilink adaptor via
RS232.
It's based on a PIC microcontroller, really cheap.
--
// Ethan O'Toole
// http://users.757.org/~ethan
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| Subject: | Re: Use a Car PC with XDP-4000x - What about UNILINK? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Ethan <telmnstr@757.org>
> Certainly an interesting project idea. GNUlink is the "Changer-side"
> emulation. What you're talking about is the "Master-side" emulation of
> the Unilink protocol. There have been no projects on the web that I am
> aware of that address Master-side emulation. I have personally done
> nearly a full Changer-side reverse engineering of the Unilink protocol
> and have embedded code running that works well. It is 100% custom code
> and does not utilize any other projects code found on the web. With the
> experience I got in reversing the changer-side emulation, I was thinking
> the other day that writing a master-side emulator would be kind of an
> interesting project. But, this is a formidable task and would take a
> fair amount of time and programming. Something I might try in the
> future, but not till I finish the changer-side emulator. By the way, I
> have full CD-Changer emulation working including full Track, Artist, and
> Listing functions working. MD-Changer emulation is mostly worki!
> ng but I still have a few things left to get going. One problematic thing about
the Unilink protocol is that its not particularly tightly emulated or specified
it would seem. There are lots of what-ifs and good-enoughs in the protocols
and support for various functions. Timing also seems to be equally lax
and inconsistent from head unit to head unit. It all makes for a rather perplexing
reverse engineering task.
> Matt
The other day I was wondering why you had completed all of that code. I
was looking around your web page to see if you had implemented it in any
projects, and saw none :-)
For my project, that is a DVD player on the video1 input on the XT-40V,
but using the TOSLINK input on the 210EQ, I was going to use a signal from
GNUnilink to tell a video switch to switch the LCD monitors away from the
XT40V and onto the DVD player. A weak hack...
It's kind of wierd. I was working to reverse the changer I had to throw
the digital flag so I could try to capture it, then a friend stepped on it
and broke it. Then the other day my MDX-C8900 quit playing MD's, I can
hear the head searching around but it hardly ever comes back. I was
thinking man my Sony system isn't doing too good, I'm stuck listening to
local radio.
More incentive to get the DVD player working I guess.
-- Ethan
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| Subject: | Re: XA-D211 Optical Output Adaptor NIB on eBay! |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Ethan <telmnstr@757.org>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item5843741238&fromMakeTracktrue
> And is it just me, or has there been a TON of C90's on eBay lately? Our
> babies are getting old!
Not a C90 owner, but that adaptor looks fairly standard? Many portables
use the 1/8" tip optical TOSLink connection, and the square connector is
standard?
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| Subject: | Re: Use a Car PC with XDP-4000x - What about |
UNILINK?
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
At 08:34 PM 12/18/2005 Sunday, you wrote:
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Ethan <telmnstr@757.org>
>
>
>> Certainly an interesting project idea. GNUlink is the "Changer-side"
>> emulation. What you're talking about is the "Master-side" emulation of
>> the Unilink protocol. There have been no projects on the web that I am
>> aware of that address Master-side emulation. I have personally done
>> nearly a full Changer-side reverse engineering of the Unilink protocol
>> and have embedded code running that works well. It is 100% custom code
>> and does not utilize any other projects code found on the web. With the
>> experience I got in reversing the changer-side emulation, I was thinking
>> the other day that writing a master-side emulator would be kind of an
>> interesting project. But, this is a formidable task and would take a
>> fair amount of time and programming. Something I might try in the
>> future, but not till I finish the changer-side emulator. By the way, I
>> have full CD-Changer emulation working including full Track, Artist, and
>> Listing functions working. MD-Changer emulation is mostly worki!
>> ng but I still have a few things left to get going. One problematic thing
about the Unilink protocol is that its not particularly tightly emulated or specified
it would seem. There are lots of what-ifs and good-enoughs in the protocols
and support for various functions. Timing also seems to be equally lax
and inconsistent from head unit to head unit. It all makes for a rather perplexing
reverse engineering task.
>> Matt
>
>The other day I was wondering why you had completed all of that code. I
>was looking around your web page to see if you had implemented it in any
>projects, and saw none :-)
>
>For my project, that is a DVD player on the video1 input on the XT-40V,
>but using the TOSLINK input on the 210EQ, I was going to use a signal from
>GNUnilink to tell a video switch to switch the LCD monitors away from the
>XT40V and onto the DVD player. A weak hack...
>
>It's kind of wierd. I was working to reverse the changer I had to throw
>the digital flag so I could try to capture it, then a friend stepped on it
>and broke it. Then the other day my MDX-C8900 quit playing MD's, I can
>hear the head searching around but it hardly ever comes back. I was
>thinking man my Sony system isn't doing too good, I'm stuck listening to
>local radio.
>
>More incentive to get the DVD player working I guess.
>
> -- Ethan
I'm actually working on an affordable Unilink controlled Hard Drive-based MP3 player.
Similar to the Phatnoise Phatbox, but way more affordable. Not ready
to release anything publicly just yet. Hardware MP3 player is working great.
Hope to work more on the whole project more over the holidays. I'm thinking
of maybe selling kits or something along those lines. A co-release would be a
generic Unilink emulator that would give you relay outputs for major functions
from the head unit like Track-forward/backward, etc. I'm so close to having
some cool stuff to share. I really need to spend a little bit more time on it
all.
Matt
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| Subject: | Re: XA-D211 Optical Output Adaptor NIB on eBay! |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
At 08:37 PM 12/18/2005 Sunday, you wrote:
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Ethan <telmnstr@757.org>
>
>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item5843741238&fromMakeTracktrue
>> And is it just me, or has there been a TON of C90's on eBay lately? Our
>> babies are getting old!
>
>Not a C90 owner, but that adaptor looks fairly standard? Many portables
>use the 1/8" tip optical TOSLink connection, and the square connector is
>standard?
The XA-D210/211 is a special little deal Sony came out with just for the C90.
The part that plugs into the C90 is actually an electrical interface that powers
the LED and provides the modulation. I already broke one off on my C90 and
had to get a spare. Why they couldn't have just put a standard TOSLINK output
on the back, I will never know. Certainly would have made things a lot simpler
and more reliable.
Matt
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| Subject: | Re: XA-D211 Optical Output Adaptor NIB on eBay! |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: DB <dbotel6500@rogers.com>
Bah! You beat me to the punch. The adapter is far from being standard.
On the other hand, why didn't sony just go with the coaxial output that
would've
been cheaper to implement? I guess someone had to push the whole toslink
format... :-P
D
Matt Dralle wrote:
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>At 08:37 PM 12/18/2005 Sunday, you wrote:
>
>
>>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Ethan <telmnstr@757.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item5843741238&fromMakeTracktrue
>>>And is it just me, or has there been a TON of C90's on eBay lately? Our
>>>babies are getting old!
>>>
>>>
>>Not a C90 owner, but that adaptor looks fairly standard? Many portables
>>use the 1/8" tip optical TOSLink connection, and the square connector is
>>standard?
>>
>>
>
>
>The XA-D210/211 is a special little deal Sony came out with just for the C90.
The part that plugs into the C90 is actually an electrical interface that powers
the LED and provides the modulation. I already broke one off on my C90 and
had to get a spare. Why they couldn't have just put a standard TOSLINK output
on the back, I will never know. Certainly would have made things a lot simpler
and more reliable.
>
>Matt
>
>
>Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XA-D211 Optical Output Adaptor NIB on eBay! |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Ethan <telmnstr@757.org>
> The XA-D210/211 is a special little deal Sony came out with just for the
> C90. The part that plugs into the C90 is actually an electrical
> interface that powers the LED and provides the modulation. I already
> broke one off on my C90 and had to get a spare. Why they couldn't have
> just put a standard TOSLINK output on the back, I will never know.
> Certainly would have made things a lot simpler and more reliable.
> Matt
Ouch. Let me guess, it didn't come with the deck either. Guess it's 3
pins? VCC, GND and Data?
-- Ethan
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"Re: XDP4000X-List: XA-D211 Optical Output Adaptor NIB on eBay!" (Dec 18,
9:26pm)
| Subject: | Re: XA-D211 Optical Output Adaptor NIB on eBay! |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
>--------------
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Ethan <telmnstr@757.org>
>
>
>> The XA-D210/211 is a special little deal Sony came out with just for the
>> C90. The part that plugs into the C90 is actually an electrical
>> interface that powers the LED and provides the modulation. I already
>> broke one off on my C90 and had to get a spare. Why they couldn't have
>> just put a standard TOSLINK output on the back, I will never know.
>> Certainly would have made things a lot simpler and more reliable.
>> Matt
>
>Ouch. Let me guess, it didn't come with the deck either. Guess it's 3
>pins? VCC, GND and Data?
>--------------
Nope, extra cost option. Roughly about $40 back in the day as I
recall. Three pins it is. You guess it!
Coax output would have made the most sense.
Matt
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| Subject: | Re: Use a Car PC with XDP-4000x - What about UNILINK? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Randy Visentine <randyman@gmail.com>
That sounds cool Matt! And, yes, you are exactly correct - I need to
replicate the "Master" Unilink functions, as if I install a Car-PC, the C90
would no longer be part of my system (just the Car-PC, and the XDP-4k
connected via TOSLINK). The XDP-4k is 100% useless w/o a Unilink master,
and once I get a 7" LCD Touch-Screen Display in my dash, the C-90 MUST go!!!
The beauty of this config is: Full 7" COLOR touch-screen display that you
can actually READ (lol), DVD-Navigation (I still get lost in my hometown of
31 years!), as much music data as you can possibly think of (even in WAVE
format if desired - 400Gig, 1TB, or more, easy as pie), AND still
retain 100% of the XDP-4K's SQ (the C90 really has nothing to do with the
sound if an XDP-4k is used).
I was aware of the XDP's latency/delay issues, and DVD Movies would be few
and far-between (I usually DRIVE when I'm in my Truck). I might rig-up a
seperate analog connection from the Car-PC to a dedicated "DVD-Movie"
speaker set somewhere in my truck (bypass the XDP alltogether for
DVD-Movies) - but I doubt I'd watch DVD's more than once a year -
seriously... I'm not concerned about that in the least for now.
I am VERY serious about paying for time and resources to make this
PC-to-Unilink control happen, but I don't want it to turn into a $500
project on my dime. I am also slightly worried about a Car PC's Toslink
output. The Toslink would most certainly be a 24 bit SPDIF signal. Maybe
using a software Dithering plug-in to bring it back to 16-Bits would do the
trick - but the Optical Transmitter might still be sending 24 bit
Data (16bit Data with 8 Bits of "0" placeholders?). I guess I could scrouge
up an old 16bit Toslink soundcard, and use a PCI-Riser to install it into
the Car-PC - but then I can expect Driver issues and such (only really old
cards would be strictly 16 bit). I'll do some experimenting with a "24-bit
Capable" SPDIF soundcard, and see if dithering to 16-bits in Software still
results in a 24-bit output data stream...
I toally spaced: Actually, I believe I hooked up my Roland VS-2480
hard-disk recorder to my XDP-4000k a long long time ago (the C-90 was still
connected, I just plugged my Roland into the XDP's Head-Unit Toslink
input). I know for a fact it outputs 24-Bit SPDIF DATA, and I believe it
worked just fine (I'm assuming the XDP simply truncated to 16 bits - that is
OK for Car use IMO. We are not hearing those lovely Reverb Tails while
driving 95 MPH down the freeway lol ). I'll double-check this next time I'm
at our rehearsal room (Tues or Wed).
More pondering and experimenting to come :-)
A big THANKS for any more input.
Randy V.
On 12/18/05, Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
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Randy V.
Houston, TX
Audio-Dude/Musician/Crazy Guy
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