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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part
with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't
mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running
out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part
with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't
mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out
of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
<
BR>>
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
>Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part
with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't
mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running
out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>>
>>
>> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need*
>> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
>> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little
>> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>>
>> What Matt Found on his cable:
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>>
>> What Phatbox Said:
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>>
>> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different.
>> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>>
>> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>>
>> Matt Dralle
>>
>>
>> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>>
>> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
>> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf).
>>
>> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
>> PhatBox connector.
>>
>> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work
>> with any multi-device configurations.
>>
>> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
>> right time to initialize itself.
>>
>> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part
with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't
mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running
out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
>cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
>ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
> <
> BR>>
>;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>>
>==================================================================
>
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset afterwards,
all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, and
can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's plugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and controlled since
it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the Phatbox is plugged
in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: Matt Dralle
> >
> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >>
> >>
> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >>
> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >>
> >> What Phatbox Said:
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >>
> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >>
> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >>
> >> Matt Dralle
> >>
> >>
> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >>
> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >>
> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> >> PhatBox connector.
> >>
> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> >> with any multi-device configurations.
> >>
> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> >> right time to initialize itself.
> >>
> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Mike"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> >ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> > <
> > BR>>
> >;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset afterwards,
all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, and
can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's plugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and controlled since
it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox is plugged
in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
&g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
&
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons <B
R> (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the only
other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > >From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > little
> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >>
> > >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >>
> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >>
> > >> What Phatbox Said:
> > >>
> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >>
> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >>
> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> > >>
> > >> Matt Dralle
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >>
> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >>
> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > >> PhatBox connector.
> > >>
> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > >> with any multi-device configurations.
> > >>
> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> > the
> > >> right time to initialize itself.
> > >>
> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Mike"
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.m
> > > atroni
> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > y conn
> > >ector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > > <
> > > BR>>
> > >;
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >==================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> &g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
> &
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> &g
> t;
>
>
>
>
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the only
other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification of
the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
&g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
&
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
&
gt; &g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
&
gt; <B
R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
<
BR>>
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons <B
R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
>
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
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| Subject: | Anyone interested in a C90/XDP4000/CDX805? |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: <cmdavis@ptd.net>
Hi all,
After having sat dormant in my corner for the better part of three years, I
suppose it may be time to part with my Sony setup. The pieces are as follows:
C90 - 7.5-8: the face shows some normal wear, and there is a single column of
pixes out in the middle of teh screen. I only noticed this when i was taking
the unit out, and I did a reverse display to check for dead pixels. Inlcuded
is both remotes, the wired one having never been used, original manuals, trim
ring, and cage. The wiring harness and case show the normal install wear. No
issues with skipping. I have the Optical out adapter, along with an extra
Uni-link cable.
XDP4000 - 9: I still have the little cover on the piece you remove to access
the serial port. The sides show some very minor wear from being mounted in two
cars. I also have the necessary serial cable, along with a laptop if necessary.
CDX-805 - 8: fully functioning, no issues. Plays well, no skipping. The
optical out works flawlessly, and the door is perfect. Some minor wear from
being installed in 3 cars.
I don't really know what to ask. I have seen the setups go for a pretty fair
price on the elitecaraudioforum site. I am willing to include an old p133 dell
laptop for tuning if necessary...its pretty beat, i got it off an old roommate
after he lost the CD-rom, and broke the floppy. About the only thing it will
be good for is using the sony software, or the 4kcontrol, which are both on there.
I would really prefer to sell to someone on the list, at least I know you guys
would really appreciate the setup for what it is. I may part out, but most
likly only if I get offers for all three pieces.
Please don't be shy about sending offers or questions.
Thank you,
Cliff Davis
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| Subject: | Re: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! |
--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically C90->4000->C30->Phatbox.
I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox directly into a 4000.
Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I can't remember for
sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a XA-C30 if you promise
on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
>What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working:
>
>Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when directly connected to the head unit?
>
>Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
>> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>>
>> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
>> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
>> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: Matt Dralle
>>
>> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> > >
>> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> > >
>> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> > >
>> > >-------------- Original message --------------
>> > >From: Matt Dralle
>> > >
>> > >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> coding
>> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
>> > little
>> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> > >>
>> > >> What Matt Found on his cable:
>> > >>
>> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> > >>
>> > >> What Phatbox Said:
>> > >>
>> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> > >>
>> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> > >>
>> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> > >>
>> > >> Matt Dralle
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> > >>
>> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>> a
>> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> have
>> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> > >>
>> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
>> > >> PhatBox connector.
>> > >>
>> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> > >> with any multi-device configurations.
>> > >>
>> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
>> > the
>> > >> right time to initialize itself.
>> > >>
>> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> to
>> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> > >>
>> > >> Regards,
>> > >> Mike"
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> > >
>> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> > >
>> > >-------------- Original message --------------
>> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> > >
>> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> coding
>> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
>> > little
>> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> > >
>> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> > >
>> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> > >
>> > > What Phatbox Said:
>> > >
>> > > http://www.m
>> > > atroni
>> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> > >
>> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> > >
>> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> > >
>> > > Matt Dralle
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> > >
>> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
>> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
>> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> > >
>> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> > > y conn
>> > >ector. They can be seen on the
>> > > PhatBox connector.
>> > >
>> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> > > with any multi-device configurations.
>> > >
>> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
>> > the
>> > > right time to initialize itself.
>> > >
>> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
>> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Mike"
>> > >
>> > > <
>> > > BR>>
>> > >;
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >==================================================================
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there,
>> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox
>> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>>
>> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>>
>> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>>
>> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
>> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
>> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
>> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
>> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>>
>> Anyone out there
>> with
>> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: Matt Dralle
>>
>> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>>
>>
>> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> need*
>> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> The
>> links are for reference only and you might find
>> you n
>> eed to interpolate a
>> little
>> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>>
>> What Matt Found on his cable:
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>>
>> What Phatbox Said:
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>>
>> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> different.
>> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>>
>> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>>
>> Matt Dralle
>>
>> &g
>> t;
>>
>> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>>
>> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
>> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>>
>> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
>> PhatBox connector.
>>
>> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> work
>> with any multi-device conf
>> igurat
>> ions.
>>
>> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> the
>> right time to initialize itself.
>>
>> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>>
>> &
>> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
>> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
>> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
>> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
>> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>>
>> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: Matt
>> Drall
>> e dralle@matronics.com
>>
>> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>>
>>
>> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> need*
>> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> The
>> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> little
>> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>>
>> What Matt Found on his cable:
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>>
>> What Phatbox Said:
>>
>> http://www.m
>> atroni
>> cs.com/xdp
>> 4000x/
>> SonyCable5.pdf
>>
>> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> different.
>> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>>
>> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>>
>> Matt Dralle
>>
>>
>> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>>
>> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
>> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>>
>> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> y conn
>> ector. They can be seen on the
>> PhatBox connector.
>>
>> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> work
>> with any multi-device configurations.
>>
>> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> the
>> right time to initialize itself.
>>
>> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> sho
>> uld th
>> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike"
>>
>>
>> BR
>> ;
>>
>>
>> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ==================================================================
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>>
>>
>> &g
>> t;
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the only
other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working:
>
>Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
>
>Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
>y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
>ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> &g
>t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
>tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
> &
>gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
>rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
>rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> &
> gt; &g
>t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> pl
> ugged
>in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
>ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
>ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>&
> gt; <B
>R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays
> high
>(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
>cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
<
> BR>>
>; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons <B
> R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
>n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
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> t;
>
>
>
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>ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
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