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4. 04:36 PM - Re: Re: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! (Matt Dralle)
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6. 08:22 PM - Re: Re: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! (Matt Dralle)
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried using
it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor could
be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
> >
> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
> >
> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >>
> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> >> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >>
> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> From: Matt Dralle
> >>
> >> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> > >
> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> > >
> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> > >
> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> > >From: Matt Dralle
> >> > >
> >> > >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> >> > need*
> >> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> coding
> >> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> >> > The
> >> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> >> > little
> >> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> > >>
> >> > >> What Phatbox Said:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Matt Dralle
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> >> a
> >> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> >> have
> >> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> > >>
> >> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> >> > >> PhatBox connector.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> >> > work
> >> > >> with any multi-device configurations.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> >> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> >> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> >> > the
> >> > >> right time to initialize itself.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> >> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> >> to
> >> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Regards,
> >> > >> Mike"
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> > >
> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> > >
> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> > >
> >> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> coding
> >> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> >> > The
> >> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> >> > little
> >> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> > >
> >> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> > >
> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> > >
> >> > > What Phatbox Said:
> >> > >
> >> > > http://www.m
> >> > > atroni
> >> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> > >
> >> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> > >
> >> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> >> > >
> >> > > Matt Dralle
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> >> > >
> >> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> >> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> have
> >> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> > >
> >> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> > > y conn
> >> > >ector. They can be seen on the
> >> > > PhatBox connector.
> >> > >
> >> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> >> > work
> >> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> > >
> >> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
> >> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> >> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> >> > the
> >> > > right time to initialize itself.
> >> > >
> >> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> >> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> >> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards,
> >> > > Mike"
> >> > >
> >> > > <
> >> > > BR>>
> >> > >;
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >>
> >> > >==================================================================
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> >> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> >> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >>
> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >>
> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >>
> >> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >>
> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >>
> >> Anyone out there
> >> with
> >> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >>
> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> From: Matt Dralle
> >>
> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >>
> >>
> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> need*
> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> The
> >> links are for reference only and you might find
> >> you n
> >> eed to interpolate a
> >> little
> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >>
> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >>
> >> What Phatbox Said:
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >>
> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> different.
> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >>
> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >>
> >> Matt Dralle
> >>
> >> &g
> >> t;
> >>
> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >>
> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >>
> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> >> PhatBox connector.
> >>
> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> work
> >> with any multi-device conf
> >> igurat
> >> ions.
> >>
> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> >> the
> >> right time to initialize itself.
> >>
> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Mike"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >>
> >> &
> >> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >>
> >> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >>
> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> From: Matt
> >> Drall
> >> e dralle@matronics.com
> >>
> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >>
> >>
> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> need*
> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> The
> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> >> little
> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >>
> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >>
> >> What Phatbox Said:
> >>
> >> http://www.m
> >> atroni
> >> cs.com/xdp
> >> 4000x/
> >> SonyCable5.pdf
> >>
> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> different.
> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >>
> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >>
> >> Matt Dralle
> >>
> >>
> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >>
> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >>
> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> y conn
> >> ector. They can be seen on the
> >> PhatBox connector.
> >>
> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> work
> >> with any multi-device configurations.
> >>
> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> >> the
> >> right time to initialize itself.
> >>
> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> sho
> >> uld th
> >> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Mike"
> >>
> >>
> >> BR
> >> ;
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ==================================================================
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >>
> >>
> >> &g
> >> t;
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working:
> >
> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly
> connected to the head unit?
> >
> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > he Son
> >y Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >>
> > ;
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > Wha
> > t Matt
> > Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message
> > from M
> >ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > &g
> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Drall
> > e | Ma
> >tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >
> > &
> >gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin
> > numbe
> >rs and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Fo
> > r refe
> >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > &
> > gt; &g
> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > 94551
> >
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > pl
> > ugged
> >in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > s inst
> >ead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are
> > for re
> >ference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >&
> > gt; > >R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays
> > high
> >(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > ommuni
> >cates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> <
> > BR>>
> >; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Drall
> > e
> >
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> >n input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> > ;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> > matron
> >ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried using
it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did not
try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor could
be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
--- <B
R> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
&
gt;>
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
&g
t; >
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
&
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
&
gt; &g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
&g
t; >
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt; <B
R>
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt <
BR>>
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt; &g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
&
gt; &g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | <
BR>>
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
&g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
&
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
gt; <B
R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
<
BR>>
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons <B
R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
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A | 94
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher resistor
and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well, unless
you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
a class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some examples:
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each device
class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm Here"
and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that particular
device to use. The address is a combination of the device class (high nibble)
and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing device)
from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol sequence
as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus address negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus. The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what happens
on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
so negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the 4000x
in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the addressing
that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written an embedded
processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible microcontroller
and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100% compatible
with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it, surly Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
>I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried using
it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
>So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor could
be the problem, huh?
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>>
>>
>> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
>> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
>> C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
>> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
>> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
>> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
>> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification
>> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
>> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
>> working:
>> >
>> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
>> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
>> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
>> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
>> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
>> directly connected to the head unit?
>> >
>> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>> >
>> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >>
>> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> >> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
>> it's
>> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
>> >> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >>
>> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> From: Matt Dralle
>> >>
>> >> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> suggested
>> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> 4000x
>> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> Phatbox.
>> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> since
>> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
>> to
>> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > >From: Matt Dralle
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> *will
>> >> > need*
>> >> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> >> coding
>> >> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> have.
>> >> > The
>> >> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
>> a
>> >> > little
>> >> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> What Phatbox Said:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> > different.
>> >> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>> using
>> >> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> xdp-4000x.
>> >> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> PhatManager).
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Matt Dralle
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> when:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> connect
>> >> a
>> >> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
>> >> have
>> >> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
>> the
>> >> > >> PhatBox connector.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> will
>> >> > work
>> >> > >> with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
>> for
>> >> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> signal
>> >> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
>> is
>> >> > the
>> >> > >> right time to initialize itself.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> PhatBox
>> >> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
>> listen
>> >> to
>> >> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Regards,
>> >> > >> Mike"
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> suggested
>> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> 4000x
>> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
>> Phatbox.
>> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> since
>> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
>> to
>> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> >> > need*
>> >> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> >> coding
>> >> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> have.
>> >> > The
>> >> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
>> >> > little
>> >> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> > >
>> >> > > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > http://www.m
>> >> > > atroni
>> >> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> > different.
>> >> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> >> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> xdp-4000x.
>> >> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> PhatManager).
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Matt Dralle
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> when:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> connect a
>> >> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
>> have
>> >> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> > > y conn
>> >> > >ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> > > PhatBox connector.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> will
>> >> > work
>> >> > > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
>> >> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> signal
>> >> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
>> is
>> >> > the
>> >> > > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> PhatBox
>> >> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> to
>> >> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Regards,
>> >> > > Mike"
>> >> > >
>> >> > > <
>> >> > > BR>>
>> >> > >;
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >==================================================================
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> there,
>> >> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
>> Phatbox
>> >> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >>
>> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >>
>> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >>
>> >> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >>
>> >> Matt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >>
>> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> suggested
>> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> 4000x
>> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> Phatbox.
>> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> since
>> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >>
>> >> Anyone out there
>> >> with
>> >> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >>
>> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> From: Matt Dralle
>> >>
>> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> >> need*
>> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> >> The
>> >> links are for reference only and you might find
>> >> you n
>> >> eed to interpolate a
>> >> little
>> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >>
>> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >>
>> >> What Phatbox Said:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >>
>> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> different.
>> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >>
>> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >>
>> >> Matt Dralle
>> >>
>> >> &g
>> >> t;
>> >>
>> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >>
>> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
>> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >>
>> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
>> >> PhatBox connector.
>> >>
>> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> >> work
>> >> with any multi-device conf
>> >> igurat
>> >> ions.
>> >>
>> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
>> >> the
>> >> right time to initialize itself.
>> >>
>> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
>> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Mike"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >>
>> >> &
>> >> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> suggested
>> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> 4000x
>> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
>> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> since
>> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >>
>> >> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
>> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >>
>> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> From: Matt
>> >> Drall
>> >> e dralle@matronics.com
>> >>
>> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> >> need*
>> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> >> The
>> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> >> little
>> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >>
>> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >>
>> >> What Phatbox Said:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.m
>> >> atroni
>> >> cs.com/xdp
>> >> 4000x/
>> >> SonyCable5.pdf
>> >>
>> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> different.
>> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >>
>> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >>
>> >> Matt Dralle
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >>
>> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
>> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>> >> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >>
>> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> y conn
>> >> ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> PhatBox connector.
>> >>
>> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> >> work
>> >> with any multi-device configurations.
>> >>
>> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
>> >> the
>> >> right time to initialize itself.
>> >>
>> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> >> sho
>> >> uld th
>> >> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Mike"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> BR
>> >> ;
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ==================================================================
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> &g
>> >> t;
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
>> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification
>> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me
>> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working:
>> >
>> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
>> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
>> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
>> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if
>> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly
>> connected to the head unit?
>> >
>> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>> >
>> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
>> it's
>> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
>> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
>> > he Son
>> >y Phatbox firmware?
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >>
>> > ;
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> > coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > Wha
>> > t Matt
>> > Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message
>> > from M
>> >ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>> > a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> > have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> >
>> > &g
>> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> > to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Drall
>> > e | Ma
>> >tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> >
>> > &
>> >gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> > coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin
>> > numbe
>> >rs and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.m
>> > atroni
>> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Fo
>> > r refe
>> >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> > y conn
>> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> > &
>> > gt; &g
>> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> > BR
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
>> > 94551
>> >
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ==================================================================
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> there,
>> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>> > pl
>> > ugged
>> >in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
>> Phatbox
>> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
>> > s inst
>> >ead of 4.7k since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there
>> > with
>> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > links are
>> > for re
>> >ference only and you might find
>> > you n
>> > eed to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > g
>> > t;
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >&
>> > gt; > >R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> > with any multi-device conf
>> > igurat
>> > ions.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays
>> > high
>> >(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >
>> >
>> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
>> > ommuni
>> >cates with the Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt
>> > Drall
>> > e dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>> <
>> > BR>>
>> >; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.m
>> > atroni
>> > cs.com/xdp
>> > 4000x/
>> > SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Drall
>> > e
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> > y conn
>> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
>> > t is a
>> >n input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > sho
>> > uld th
>> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> > BR
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ==================================================================
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> > g
>> > t;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > matron
>> >ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried using
it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
>So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor could
be the problem, huh?
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you kn
> ow abo
>ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message -----------
> --- <B
>R> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version
> of the
> Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> &
> gt;>
>; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what
> not mi
>ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your in
> stalla
>tion.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
>e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> &g
> t; >
>; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> &
> gt; Ma
>tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> &
> gt; &g
>t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> wire.
>Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> d
> iffere
>nt.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
>e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> a
> rbitra
>tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> ore |
>CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> a comp
>lete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> by: bo
>bbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original me
> ssage
>--------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>&g
> t; >
>;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
>e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initializatio
> n. Wit
>hout the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> &
> gt; <B
>R>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt <
> BR>>
>; Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> What P
>hatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
>e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device i
> nitial
>ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>&
> gt; &g
>t;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not wo
>rking:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>&
> gt; &g
>t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and
> the pr
>oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> ue. Be
>low are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that m
> atches
> best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> can b
>e seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
>
>
>Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> ation.
>
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> le you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> ough P
>hatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> 6.00 a
>nd an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | <
> BR>>
>; 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>
> p
>l
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
>&g
>t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on ho
> w the
>Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
> &
>gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> gt; <B
> R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox
> conne
>ctor.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset.
> He wo
>uld know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> <
> BR>>
>; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on
> the ve
>rsion of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> are (u
>pgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons <B
> R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> c
> onfigu
>rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G
> Dralle
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
> ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> A | 94
>551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> </BLOCK
> QUOTE>
>
>
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
it split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers up
fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30: PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30, Changer
in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and Changer
both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30, XT-XM1
in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio
both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of XT-XM1:
PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system, but
before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line cut.
Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB cable
from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was
made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
were made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished all
these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been! Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> unless you miss wire something... :-)
>
> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave on
> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
a
> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with some
> examples:
>
> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
>
> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
>
> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is powered
> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus address
> negotiation.
>
> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus. The
> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus connectivity
> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On
> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
so
> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
>
> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD Changer
> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged into
> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
>
> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I wanted
> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
to
> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written an
> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it, surly
> Phatbox could.
>
> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on my
> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >
> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: Matt Dralle
> >
> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >>
> >>
> >> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
> >> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> >> C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> >> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
> >> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> >> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
> >> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
> >> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> >> working:
> >> >
> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> >> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> >> directly connected to the head unit?
> >> >
> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >> >
> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
> >> >> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> >> it's
> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> >> >> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >>
> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
> >> >>
> >> >> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> suggested
> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> since
> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> >> to
> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> >> >> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> >> *will
> >> >> > need*
> >> >> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> >> >> coding
> >> >> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
> >> have.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> >> a
> >> >> > little
> >> >> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> > different.
> >> >> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> >> using
> >> >> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> PhatManager).
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Matt Dralle
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> >> when:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >> connect
> >> >> a
> >> >> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> >> >> have
> >> >> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> >> the
> >> >> > >> PhatBox connector.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> >> >> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> >> will
> >> >> > work
> >> >> > >> with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> >> for
> >> >> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> >> signal
> >> >> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> >> is
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > >> right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> PhatBox
> >> >> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> >> listen
> >> >> to
> >> >> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Regards,
> >> >> > >> Mike"
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> suggested
> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> since
> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> >> to
> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> >> >> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> >> >> > need*
> >> >> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> >> coding
> >> >> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> >> have.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate a
> >> >> > little
> >> >> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > http://www.m
> >> >> > > atroni
> >> >> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> > different.
> >> >> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> >> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> PhatManager).
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Matt Dralle
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> >> when:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >> connect a
> >> >> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> >> have
> >> >> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> >> > > y conn
> >> >> > >ector. They can be seen on the
> >> >> > > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> >> >> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> >> will
> >> >> > work
> >> >> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> >> >> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> >> signal
> >> >> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> >> is
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> PhatBox
> >> >> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> >> to
> >> >> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Regards,
> >> >> > > Mike"
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > <
> >> >> > > BR>>
> >> >> > >;
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >==================================================================
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
> >> there,
> >> >> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> >> Phatbox
> >> >> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >>
> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >>
> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >>
> >> >> Matt
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >>
> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> suggested
> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> >> 4000x
> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> since
> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyone out there
> >> >> with
> >> >> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >>
> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
> >> >>
> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> >> need*
> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> >> >> The
> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find
> >> >> you n
> >> >> eed to interpolate a
> >> >> little
> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >>
> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >>
> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >>
> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> different.
> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> >> >>
> >> >> Matt Dralle
> >> >>
> >> >> &g
> >> >> t;
> >> >>
> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >>
> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >>
> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
> >> >> PhatBox connector.
> >> >>
> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> >> work
> >> >> with any multi-device conf
> >> >> igurat
> >> >> ions.
> >> >>
> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> >> >> the
> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
> >> >>
> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> >> >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Mike"
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >>
> >> >> &
> >> >> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> suggested
> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
> >> 4000x
> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> since
> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >>
> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> From: Matt
> >> >> Drall
> >> >> e dralle@matronics.com
> >> >>
> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> >> need*
> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> >> >> The
> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> >> >> little
> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >>
> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >>
> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.m
> >> >> atroni
> >> >> cs.com/xdp
> >> >> 4000x/
> >> >> SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >>
> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> different.
> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> >> >>
> >> >> Matt Dralle
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >>
> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >> >> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >>
> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> >> y conn
> >> >> ector. They can be seen on the
> >> >> PhatBox connector.
> >> >>
> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> >> work
> >> >> with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >>
> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> >> >> the
> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
> >> >>
> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> >> >> sho
> >> >> uld th
> >> >> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Mike"
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> BR
> >> >> ;
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ==================================================================
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> &g
> >> >> t;
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
> >> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
> me
> >> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
> >> >
> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> if
> >> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> >> connected to the head unit?
> >> >
> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >> >
> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> >> it's
> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> >> > he Son
> >> >y Phatbox firmware?
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> >>
> >> > ;
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> > coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > Wha
> >> > t Matt
> >> > Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message
> >> > from M
> >> >ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> >> > a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> >> > have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> >
> >> > &g
> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> >> > to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Drall
> >> > e | Ma
> >> >tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> >
> >> > &
> >> >gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> > coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin
> >> > numbe
> >> >rs and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.m
> >> > atroni
> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Fo
> >> > r refe
> >> >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> > y conn
> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> > &
> >> > gt; &g
> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> >> > 94551
> >> >
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >> there,
> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> >> > pl
> >> > ugged
> >> >in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> >> Phatbox
> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> >> > s inst
> >> >ead of 4.7k since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there
> >> > with
> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are
> >> > for re
> >> >ference only and you might find
> >> > you n
> >> > eed to interpolate a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> > t;
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >&
> >> > gt; > >R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> > with any multi-device conf
> >> > igurat
> >> > ions.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays
> >> > high
> >> >(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> >> > ommuni
> >> >cates with the Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt
> >> > Drall
> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> >> <
> >> > BR>>
> >> >; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.m
> >> > atroni
> >> > cs.com/xdp
> >> > 4000x/
> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Drall
> >> > e
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> > y conn
> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> >> > t is a
> >> >n input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > sho
> >> > uld th
> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> > t;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > matron
> >> >ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >
> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > What do you kn
> > ow abo
> >ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message -----------
> > --- > >R> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version
> > of the
> > Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > &
> > gt;>
> >; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what
> > not mi
> >ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your in
> > stalla
> >tion.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > orang
> >e (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > &g
> > t; >
> >; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > &
> > gt; Ma
> >tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > &
> > gt; &g
> >t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> > wire.
> >Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > d
> > iffere
> >nt.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > orang
> >e (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > a
> > rbitra
> >tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> > ore |
> >CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> > a comp
> >lete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> > by: bo
> >bbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original me
> > ssage
> >--------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >&g
> > t; >
> >;
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections
> > are th
> >e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initializatio
> > n. Wit
> >hout the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > &
> > gt; > >R>
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt <
> > BR>>
> >; Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> >
> > What P
> >hatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections
> > are th
> >e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device i
> > nitial
> >ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >&
> > gt; &g
> >t;
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> me
> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> > not wo
> >rking:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> if
> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> > connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >&
> > gt; &g
> >t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > he Son
> > y Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and
> > the pr
> >oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >
> > ;
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> > ue. Be
> >low are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > Wha
> > t Matt
> > Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that m
> > atches
> > best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message
> > from M
> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> > can b
> >e seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> >
> >
> >Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Drall
> > e | Ma
> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> > ation.
> >
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >
> >
> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> > le you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin
> > numbe
> > rs and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> > ough P
> >hatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Fo
> > r refe
> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> > 6.00 a
> >nd an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | <
> > BR>>
> >; 94551
> >
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> >
> > p
> >l
> > ugged
> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> >
> >&g
> >t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > s inst
> > ead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on ho
> > w the
> >Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are
> > for re
> > ference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> >
> > &
> >gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > gt; > > R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox
> > conne
> >ctor.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays
> > high
> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset.
> > He wo
> >uld know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > ommuni
> > cates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > <
> > BR>>
> >; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> >
> > BR
> > ; and what not might be different depending on
> > the ve
> >rsion of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> > are (u
> >pgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Drall
> > e
> >
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > c
> > onfigu
> >rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> > n input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G
> > Dralle
> > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> > matron
> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> > A | 94
> >551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > > > QUOTE>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers up
fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30: PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30, Changer
in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and Changer
both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30, XT-XM1
in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio
both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of XT-XM1:
PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both sidesbesides
C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a thing
from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system, but
before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to have
the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line cut.
Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original PBcable from
someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was made
by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been made
(but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that were
made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished all
these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been! Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x
, inte
rnal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus. The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
asical
ly what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really g
et an
answer back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it, surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in yo
ur dia
gram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
rote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
i
f that
would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it
is pl
ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
&
gt; &g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
&
gt; &g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
&
gt; Us
e the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
&g
t;
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
co
nfigur
ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should the
n forc
e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
<
BR>
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>
;
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
<BR
>
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmw
are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
&g
t; PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&g
t; >
;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So f
rustra
ting, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 0
7:27 P
M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
hat <B
R> someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
&
gt; links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If yo
u are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(So
nyCabl
e5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
&
gt; is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn
't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
&g
t;
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>
;
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
PhatB
ox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know abou
t the
reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
>
;
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-
------
------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still
wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
&g
t; inf
ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
&g
t; >
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
@matro
nics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
<
BR>>
;
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
&g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using <BR
>
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
&
gt; y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
>
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==========================================
======
==================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
&
gt; &g
t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soo
n as t
he Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.c
om/xdp
4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
wor
k
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
&g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
s
ince
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
&g
t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
&
gt; a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
>
;
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
&g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
&
gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
o
nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
&
gt; &g
t; --- <B
R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware? <B
R>
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
able d
irect from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Mat
t Foun
d on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed
cable
manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
il <BR
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
runnin
g out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http:/
/www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircra
ft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
shut d
own when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resist
or sho
uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
Note
the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to h
ave op
erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware
5.00
and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
&g
t; >
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; <B
R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
pa
rt wit
h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
&
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
<
BR>>
; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-devi
ce con
figurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
>
; me <
BR> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
&g
t; Yes
, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
wrote
:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
&
gt; <B
R> -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
&
gt;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
t
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at
all ti
mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&
gt; <B
R>
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depend
ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
&g
t; Aft
er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
;
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message p
osted
by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
illing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find <
BR>>
; you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g <BR
> t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
gt; <B
R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-6
06-628
1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a
cable
direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers
and w
hat not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a messag
e from
Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons <B
R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
>
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
om Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that line
down and never letting anyone else init.
Matt
At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
>Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
it split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
list of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
>
>Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
>XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30: PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
>XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30, Changer
in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and Changer
both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
>XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30, XT-XM1
in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio
both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
>XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of XT-XM1:
PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
>
>Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into the
system without the PB.
>
>Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem
is...lol
>
>Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system, but
before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB cable
from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it
was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
were made before the modification was put in place.
>
>I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished all
these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been! Ahhhh!
>
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>>
>> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
>> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
>> unless you miss wire something... :-)
>>
>> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
on
>> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
a
>> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with some
>> examples:
>>
>> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
>> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
>> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
>> Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
>>
>> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
>> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
>> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
>> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
>> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
>>
>> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is powered
>> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
>> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
>> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus address
>> negotiation.
>>
>> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus. The
>> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
>> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus connectivity
>> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On
>> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
so
>> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
>>
>> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD Changer
>> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged into
>> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
>>
>> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
>> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I wanted
>> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
to
>> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
>> addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written an
>> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
>> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
>> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it, surly
>> Phatbox could.
>>
>> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
>> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
>> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
>> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
>> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>> >
>> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
>> could be the problem, huh?
>> >
>> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
>> >> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
>> >> C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
>> >> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
>> >> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
>> >> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>> >>
>> >> Matt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
>> >> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
>> modification
>> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
>> >> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
>> >> working:
>> >> >
>> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
>> job
>> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
>> the
>> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
>> because
>> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
>> >> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
>> >> directly connected to the head unit?
>> >> >
>> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>> >> >
>> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
>> >> >> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
>> whenever
>> >> it's
>> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
>> >> >> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Matt
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> >> > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
>> >> >> suggested
>> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
>> my
>> >> >> 4000x
>> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> >> Phatbox.
>> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
>> >> since
>> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
>> willing
>> >> to
>> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> someone
>> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>> I'm
>> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
>> some
>> >> >> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> >> *will
>> >> >> > need*
>> >> >> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
>> color
>> >> >> coding
>> >> >> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
>> >> have.
>> >> >> > The
>> >> >> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
>> interpolate
>> >> a
>> >> >> > little
>> >> >> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> >> > different.
>> >> >> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>> >> using
>> >> >> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> >> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> >> PhatManager).
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Matt Dralle
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> >> when:
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
>> >> >> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> >> connect
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
>> I
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
>> on
>> >> the
>> >> >> > >> PhatBox connector.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
>> unit.
>> >> >> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> >> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> >> will
>> >> >> > work
>> >> >> > >> with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
>> >> for
>> >> >> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> >> signal
>> >> >> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
>> when
>> >> is
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > >> right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> >> PhatBox
>> >> >> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
>> >> listen
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Regards,
>> >> >> > >> Mike"
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
>> >> >> suggested
>> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
>> my
>> >> >> 4000x
>> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
>> >> Phatbox.
>> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
>> >> since
>> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
>> willing
>> >> to
>> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> someone
>> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>> I'm
>> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
>> some
>> >> >> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> *will
>> >> >> > need*
>> >> >> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> >> >> coding
>> >> >> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
>> >> have.
>> >> >> > The
>> >> >> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
>> interpolate a
>> >> >> > little
>> >> >> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > http://www.m
>> >> >> > > atroni
>> >> >> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> >> > different.
>> >> >> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>> using
>> >> >> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> >> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> >> PhatManager).
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Matt Dralle
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> >> when:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> >> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> >> connect a
>> >> >> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
>> I
>> >> have
>> >> >> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> >> > > y conn
>> >> >> > >ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> >> > > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
>> unit.
>> >> >> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> >> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> >> will
>> >> >> > work
>> >> >> > > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
>> for
>> >> >> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> >> signal
>> >> >> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
>> when
>> >> is
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> >> PhatBox
>> >> >> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
>> listen
>> >> to
>> >> >> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Regards,
>> >> >> > > Mike"
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > <
>> >> >> > > BR>>
>> >> >> > >;
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >==================================================================
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
>> >> there,
>> >> >> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
>> >> Phatbox
>> >> >> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Matt
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> suggested
>> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> 4000x
>> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> >> Phatbox.
>> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> >> since
>> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Anyone out there
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> someone
>> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
>> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> >> >> need*
>> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> coding
>> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> have.
>> >> >> The
>> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find
>> >> >> you n
>> >> >> eed to interpolate a
>> >> >> little
>> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> >> different.
>> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> PhatManager).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Matt Dralle
>> >> >>
>> >> >> &g
>> >> >> t;
>> >> >>
>> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>> a
>> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
>> have
>> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> >> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
>> >> >> PhatBox connector.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
>> >> >> work
>> >> >> with any multi-device conf
>> >> >> igurat
>> >> >> ions.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
>> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
>> is
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> PhatBox
>> >> >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> to
>> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> Mike"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >>
>> >> >> &
>> >> >> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> suggested
>> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> 4000x
>> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
>> Phatbox.
>> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> >> since
>> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
>> to
>> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> someone
>> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
>> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> From: Matt
>> >> >> Drall
>> >> >> e dralle@matronics.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> >> >> need*
>> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> coding
>> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> have.
>> >> >> The
>> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
>> >> >> little
>> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.m
>> >> >> atroni
>> >> >> cs.com/xdp
>> >> >> 4000x/
>> >> >> SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> >> different.
>> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> PhatManager).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Matt Dralle
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>> a
>> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
>> have
>> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>> >> >> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> >> y conn
>> >> >> ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> >> PhatBox connector.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
>> >> >> work
>> >> >> with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
>> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
>> is
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> PhatBox
>> >> >> sho
>> >> >> uld th
>> >> >> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> Mike"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> BR
>> >> >> ;
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ==================================================================
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> &g
>> >> >> t;
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
>> >> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
>> themodification
>> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
>> me
>> >> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
>> working:
>> >> >
>> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
>> job
>> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
>> the
>> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
>> because
>> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
>> if
>> >> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
>> directly
>> >> connected to the head unit?
>> >> >
>> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>> >> >
>> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
>> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
>> >> it's
>> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
>> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
>> >> > he Son
>> >> >y Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> > suggested
>> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> > 4000x
>> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> >> Phatbox.
>> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> >> since
>> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
>> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >> >>
>> >> > ;
>> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> >> > need*
>> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> >> > coding
>> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> >> > The
>> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
>> >> > little
>> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >
>> >> > Wha
>> >> > t Matt
>> >> > Found on his cable:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> > different.
>> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > For reference, here is a message
>> >> > from M
>> >> >ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >> >
>> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>> >> > a
>> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> >> > have
>> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >
>> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
>> >> > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >
>> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> >> > work
>> >> >
>> >> > &g
>> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >
>> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
>> >> > the
>> >> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >
>> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> >> > to
>> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Mike"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Drall
>> >> > e | Ma
>> >> >tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> > suggested
>> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> > 4000x
>> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
>> Phatbox.
>> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> >> since
>> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
>> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> >> >
>> >> > &
>> >> >gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>> I'm
>> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> >> > need*
>> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> >> > coding
>> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> >> > The
>> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
>> >> > little
>> >> > with respect to colors and pin
>> >> > numbe
>> >> >rs and what not:
>> >> >
>> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.m
>> >> > atroni
>> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> > different.
>> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Fo
>> >> > r refe
>> >> >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >> >
>> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>> a
>> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> have
>> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >
>> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> > y conn
>> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >
>> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> >> > work
>> >> > &
>> >> > gt; &g
>> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >
>> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
>> >> > the
>> >> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >
>> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> to
>> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Mike"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > BR
>> >> > ;
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
>> >> > 94551
>> >> >
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ==================================================================
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
>> >> there,
>> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>> >> > pl
>> >> > ugged
>> >> >in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
>> >> Phatbox
>> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> suggested
>> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> 4000x
>> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> Phatbox.
>> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
>> >> > s inst
>> >> >ead of 4.7k since
>> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone out there
>> >> > with
>> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> >> > need*
>> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> coding
>> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> >> > The
>> >> > links are
>> >> > for re
>> >> >ference only and you might find
>> >> > you n
>> >> > eed to interpolate a
>> >> > little
>> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >
>> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> > different.
>> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > g
>> >> > t;
>> >> >
>> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >> >&
>> >> > gt; > >R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
>> The
>> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>> a
>> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> have
>> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >
>> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
>> >> > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >
>> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> >> > work
>> >> > with any multi-device conf
>> >> > igurat
>> >> > ions.
>> >> >
>> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> >> > stays
>> >> > high
>> >> >(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> >> > the
>> >> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >
>> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> to
>> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Mike"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> suggested
>> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> 4000x
>> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
>> >> > ommuni
>> >> >cates with the Phatbox.
>> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> since
>> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
>> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt
>> >> > Drall
>> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> >> > need*
>> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> coding
>> >> <
>> >> > BR>>
>> >> >; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> have.
>> >> > The
>> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
>> >> > little
>> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >
>> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.m
>> >> > atroni
>> >> > cs.com/xdp
>> >> > 4000x/
>> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> > different.
>> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt Drall
>> >> > e
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >> >
>> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>> a
>> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> have
>> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>> >> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >
>> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> > y conn
>> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >
>> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> >> > work
>> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >
>> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
>> >> > t is a
>> >> >n input. It is used for
>> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
>> >> > the
>> >> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >
>> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> >> > sho
>> >> > uld th
>> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Mike"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > BR
>> >> > ;
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ==================================================================
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> > ;
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > g
>> >> > t;
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > matron
>> >> >ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
>> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
>> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>> >
>> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
>> could be the problem, huh?
>> >
>> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
>> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
>> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
>> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
>> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
>> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > What do you kn
>> > ow abo
>> >ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
>> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
>> modification
>> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
>> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
>> > working:
>> >
>> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
>> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
>> the
>> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
>> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
>> > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
>> > directly connected to the head unit?
>> >
>> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message -----------
>> > --- > >R> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
>> > it's
>> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
>> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > Are you running the 7.0 version
>> > of the
>> > Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> > Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> > since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
>> > to
>> > &
>> > gt;>
>> >; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> > *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> > coding
>> > and what
>> > not mi
>> >ght be different depending on the version of cable you
>> > have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
>> > a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your in
>> > stalla
>> >tion.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>> > using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> > xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> > PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> > when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> > connect
>> > a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
>> > orang
>> >e (ground) wires. I
>> > have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
>> > the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> > will
>> > work
>> > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
>> > for
>> > &g
>> > t; >
>> >; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> > signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
>> > is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> > PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
>> > listen
>> > to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > &
>> > gt; Ma
>> >tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
>> > Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> > since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > &
>> > gt; &g
>> >t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
>> > to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
>> > wire.
>> >Note the color
>> > coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> > have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.m
>> > atroni
>> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > d
>> > iffere
>> >nt.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> > xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> > PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> > when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> > connect a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
>> > orang
>> >e (ground) wires. I
>> > have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> > y conn
>> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> > will
>> > work
>> > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > a
>> > rbitra
>> >tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> > signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
>> > is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> > PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> > to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> > BR
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
>> > ore |
>> >CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ==================================================================
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
>> > a comp
>> >lete system reset
>> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> > there,
>> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
>> > Phatbox
>> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
>> > by: bo
>> >bbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> > Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> > since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there
>> > with
>> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original me
>> > ssage
>> >--------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find
>> > you n
>> > eed to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >&g
>> > t; >
>> >;
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > g
>> > t;
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections
>> > are th
>> >e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> > with any multi-device conf
>> > igurat
>> > ions.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initializatio
>> > n. Wit
>> >hout the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >
>> >
>> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> > &
>> > gt; > >R>
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> > since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt <
>> > BR>>
>> >; Drall
>> > e dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> >
>> > What P
>> >hatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.m
>> > atroni
>> > cs.com/xdp
>> > 4000x/
>> > SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections
>> > are th
>> >e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> > y conn
>> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device i
>> > nitial
>> >ization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > sho
>> > uld th
>> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> > BR
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >&
>> > gt; &g
>> >t;
>> >
>> >
>> > ==================================================================
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> > g
>> > t;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
>> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification
>> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
>> me
>> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
>> > not wo
>> >rking:
>> >
>> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
>> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
>> the
>> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
>> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
>> if
>> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
>> directly
>> > connected to the head unit?
>> >
>> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> >&
>> > gt; &g
>> >t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
>> > it's
>> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
>> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
>> > he Son
>> > y Phatbox firmware?
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and
>> > the pr
>> >oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> > Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> > since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >
>> > ;
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
>> > ue. Be
>> >low are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> > coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > Wha
>> > t Matt
>> > Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that m
>> > atches
>> > best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message
>> > from M
>> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>> > a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> > have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
>> > can b
>> >e seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> >
>> > g
>> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> > to
>> >
>> >
>> >Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Drall
>> > e | Ma
>> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> > since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
>> > ation.
>> >
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> >
>> >
>> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> > coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
>> > le you
>> > have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin
>> > numbe
>> > rs and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.m
>> > atroni
>> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
>> > ough P
>> >hatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Fo
>> > r refe
>> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> > y conn
>> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
>> > 6.00 a
>> >nd an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> >
>> > gt; g
>> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> > BR
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | <
>> > BR>>
>> >; 94551
>> >
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ==================================================================
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> > there,
>> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>> >
>> > p
>> >l
>> > ugged
>> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
>> > Phatbox
>> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> >
>> >&g
>> >t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
>> > s inst
>> > ead of 4.7k since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there
>> > with
>> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on ho
>> > w the
>> >Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > links are
>> > for re
>> > ference only and you might find
>> > you n
>> > eed to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> >
>> > &
>> >gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > g
>> > t;
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > gt; > > R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox
>> > conne
>> >ctor.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> > with any multi-device conf
>> > igurat
>> > ions.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays
>> > high
>> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset.
>> > He wo
>> >uld know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >
>> >
>> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
>> > ommuni
>> > cates with the Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> > <
>> > BR>>
>> >; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt
>> > Drall
>> > e dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>> >
>> > BR
>> > ; and what not might be different depending on
>> > the ve
>> >rsion of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.m
>> > atroni
>> > cs.com/xdp
>> > 4000x/
>> > SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
>> > are (u
>> >pgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Drall
>> > e
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> > y conn
>> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > c
>> > onfigu
>> >rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
>> > t is a
>> > n input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > sho
>> > uld th
>> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> > BR
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G
>> > Dralle
>> > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ==================================================================
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> > g
>> > t;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > matron
>> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
>> > A | 94
>> >551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > > QUOTE>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
>
>Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers up
fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
>XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30: PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
>XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30, Changer
in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and Changer
both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
>XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30, XT-XM1
in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio
both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
>XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of XT-XM1:
PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
>
>Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into the
system without the PB.
>
>Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both sidesbesides
C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a thing
from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem is...lol
>
>Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system, but
before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line cut.
Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original PBcable
from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was
made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that were
made before the modification was put in place.
>
>I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished all
these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been! Ahhhh!
>
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> unless you miss wire something... :-)
>
> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave on
> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
a
> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with some
> examples:
>
> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> Processors: 210, 4000x
> , inte
>rnal Bass/Treble
>
> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
>
> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is powered
> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus address
> negotiation.
>
> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus. The
> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
> asical
>ly what
> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus connectivity
> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On
> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
so
> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
>
> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD Changer
> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged into
> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
>
> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I wanted
> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
to
> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> addressing that way, but I didn't really g
> et an
>answer back. I've written an
> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it, surly
> Phatbox could.
>
> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on my
> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in yo
> ur dia
>gram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
> rote:
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> i
> f that
> would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it
> is pl
>ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
> sugge
>sted
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> &
> gt; &g
>t;
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
>&
> gt; &g
>t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> &
> gt; Us
>e the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> &g
> t;
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> co
> nfigur
>ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should the
> n forc
>e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> <
>BR>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> so
> meone
>
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >
> ;
>coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> ;
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> <BR
> >
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
>
> Firmw
>are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>
> &g
>t; PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
> &g
> t; >
>;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So f
> rustra
>ting, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 0
> 7:27 P
>M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
> hat <B
>R> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
>
> &
>gt; links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
> If yo
>u are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (So
> nyCabl
>e5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
>
>&
>gt; is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> Produc
>ts For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
>
> wouldn
>'t mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> &g
> t;
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> ;
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >
> ;
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
> PhatB
>ox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> ;
>http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you know abou
> t the
>reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
> >
> ;
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -
> ------
>------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
>
> Still
> wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> &g
> t; inf
>ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
>
>Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
>&g
> t; >
>; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>
> a
>rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
> @matro
>nics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
<
> BR>>
>;
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
>
>&g
>t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using <BR
> >
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>
> &
>gt; y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
> >
> ;
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==========================================
> ======
>==================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> pl
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>&
> gt; &g
>t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soo
> n as t
>he Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
>
> -
>- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.c
> om/xdp
>4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> wor
> k
>
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> &g
>t;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>
> s
>ince
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
>
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> &g
>t;
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>
>&
>gt; a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
>>
> ;
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
>&g
>t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
>
>&
>gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
>e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you kn
> ow abo
> ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
>
> o
>nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message -----------
>&
> gt; &g
>t; --- <B
> R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version
> of the
> Sony Phatbox firmware? <B
> R>
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
>
> gt;
> ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
> able d
>irect from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what
> not mi
> ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Mat
> t Foun
>d on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your in
> stalla
> tion.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed
> cable
>manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
>n input. It is used
> for
> g
> t;
> ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> gt; Ma
> tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
> il <BR
>> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>
> gt; g
> t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> runnin
>g out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> wire.
> Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http:/
> /www.m
>atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> d
> iffere
> nt.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
> his s
>ystem. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>
>
>a
> rbitra
> tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> ore |
> CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> Aircra
>ft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> a comp
> lete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
> shut d
>own when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> by: bo
> bbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resist
> or sho
>uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original me
> ssage
> --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
> Note
>the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> g
> t;
> ;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to h
> ave op
>erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware
> 5.00
>and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initializatio
> n. Wit
> hout the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>&g
> t; >
>;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> gt; <B
> R
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> pa
> rt wit
>h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> BR
> ; Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
>&
>gt; little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> What P
> hatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> <
> BR>>
>; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-devi
> ce con
>figurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device i
> nitial
> ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
> Email
>
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> gt; g
> t;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
>>
> ; me <
>BR> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not wo
> rking:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> &g
> t; Yes
>, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>
> gt; g
> t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
> wrote
>:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and
> the pr
> oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> &
> gt; <B
>R> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> ue. Be
> low are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>&
>gt;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that m
> atches
> best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
> t
>
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> can b
> e seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at
> all ti
>mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
>
>
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
> sugge
>sted
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> ation.
>
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> &
> gt; <B
>R>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> le you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
> Depend
>ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> ough P
> hatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description
> of the
> connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> 6.00 a
> nd an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> &g
> t; Aft
>er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> BR
> ; 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>>
> ;
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>
> p
> l
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message p
> osted
>by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
> g
> t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
> illing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on ho
> w the
> Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find <
> BR>>
>; you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
>
> gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> g <BR
>> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> gt; <B
> R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox
> conne
> ctor.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
>
>with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset.
> He wo
> uld know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-6
> 06-628
>1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> BR
> ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a
> cable
> direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on
> the ve
> rsion of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers
> and w
>hat not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> are (u
> pgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a messag
> e from
> Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons <B
> R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> c
> onfigu
> rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>>
> ;
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G
> Dralle
> | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
> om Ema
>il
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
> ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> A | 94
> 551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.co
> m Emai
>l
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> </BLOCK
> QUOTE
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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>arch
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works in my
system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my processor
is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any longer (and
it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs of the
PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
I threw my cd changer back in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer either...
(I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always used the
digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on since
those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my system,
but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and I don't
have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially convinced
that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said before
it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken inside of
my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check everything
out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that line
> down and never letting anyone else init.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> >Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, short
> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
it
> split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
> >
> >Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
> up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
PB
> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> >XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear,
> C90 only sees the PB.
> >
> >Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
> system without the PB.
> >
> >Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut down
> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
> besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
> thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem
> is...lol
> >
> >Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
> cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
it
> was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
> been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
> were made before the modification was put in place.
> >
> >I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> Ahhhh!
> >
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: Matt Dralle
> >
> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >>
> >> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> >> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> >> unless you miss wire something... :-)
> >>
> >> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
> on
> >> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
> a
> >> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> some
> >> examples:
> >>
> >> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> >> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> >> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> >> Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
> >>
> >> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
> >> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
> >> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> >> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> >> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
> >>
> >> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> powered
> >> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> >> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
> >> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> address
> >> negotiation.
> >>
> >> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> The
> >> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
> >> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> connectivity
> >> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
> >> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
> so
> >> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
> >>
> >> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> Changer
> >> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> into
> >> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
> >>
> >> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
the
> >> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> wanted
> >> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
> to
> >> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> >> addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written
an
> >> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> >> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> >> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> surly
> >> Phatbox could.
> >>
> >> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
> my
> >> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> >> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> >> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
> did
> >> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >> >
> >> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> >> could be the problem, huh?
> >> >
> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> >> >> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> >> >> C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> Phatbox
> >> >> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
> I
> >> >> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
> >> >> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >> >>
> >> >> Matt
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
> the
> >> >> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> >> modification
> >> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> >> >> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> >> >> working:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> >> job
> >> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> >> the
> >> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> >> because
> >> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> >> >> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> >> >> directly connected to the head unit?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> >> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> >> >> >> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> >> whenever
> >> >> it's
> >> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> >> >> >> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Matt
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> >> > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> >> >> >> suggested
> >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> >> my
> >> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
> >> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> >> >> since
> >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> >> willing
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> >> someone
> >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> >> I'm
> >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
> >> some
> >> >> >> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> >> >> *will
> >> >> >> > need*
> >> >> >> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> >> color
> >> >> >> coding
> >> >> >> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> >> >> have.
> >> >> >> > The
> >> >> >> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> >> interpolate
> >> >> a
> >> >> >> > little
> >> >> >> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> >> >> >> > different.
> >> >> >> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> are
> >> >> using
> >> >> >> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> >> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> >> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> >> PhatManager).
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> >> >> when:
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> >> >> >> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
> >> >> connect
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> >> I
> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
> seen
> >> on
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> > >> PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> >> unit.
> >> >> >> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> >> >> >> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> >> >> will
> >> >> >> > work
> >> >> >> > >> with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> >> >> for
> >> >> >> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> the
> >> >> signal
> >> >> >> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> knowing
> >> when
> >> >> is
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > >> right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> The
> >> >> PhatBox
> >> >> >> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> >> >> listen
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Regards,
> >> >> >> > >> Mike"
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> >> >> >> suggested
> >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> >> my
> >> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> >> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> >> >> since
> >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> >> willing
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> >> someone
> >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> >> I'm
> >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
> >> some
> >> >> >> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
> >> *will
> >> >> >> > need*
> >> >> >> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> >> >> >> coding
> >> >> >> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> >> >> have.
> >> >> >> > The
> >> >> >> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> >> interpolate a
> >> >> >> > little
> >> >> >> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > http://www.m
> >> >> >> > > atroni
> >> >> >> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> >> >> >> > different.
> >> >> >> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
> >> using
> >> >> >> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> >> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> >> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> >> PhatManager).
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> >> >> when:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> >> >> >> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
> >> >> connect a
> >> >> >> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> >> I
> >> >> have
> >> >> >> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> >> >> > > y conn
> >> >> >> > >ector. They can be seen on the
> >> >> >> > > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> >> unit.
> >> >> >> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> >> >> >> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> >> >> will
> >> >> >> > work
> >> >> >> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> >> for
> >> >> >> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
> >> >> signal
> >> >> >> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> >> when
> >> >> is
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
> >> >> PhatBox
> >> >> >> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> >> listen
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Regards,
> >> >> >> > > Mike"
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > <
> >> >> >> > > BR>>
> >> >> >> > >;
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >==================================================================
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> >> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> >> >> there,
> >> >> >> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> >> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> the
> >> >> Phatbox
> >> >> >> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Matt
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> suggested
> >> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> my
> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> >> >> since
> >> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Anyone out there
> >> >> >> with
> >> >> >> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> >> someone
> >> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> >> >> >> need*
> >> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> coding
> >> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> >> have.
> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find
> >> >> >> you n
> >> >> >> eed to interpolate a
> >> >> >> little
> >> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> >> different.
> >> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> PhatManager).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Matt Dralle
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> &g
> >> >> >> t;
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> >> a
> >> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> >> have
> >> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> >> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
> the
> >> >> >> PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> >> >> >> work
> >> >> >> with any multi-device conf
> >> >> >> igurat
> >> >> >> ions.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> >> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> >> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> >> is
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> PhatBox
> >> >> >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> >> to
> >> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> >> Mike"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> &
> >> >> >> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> suggested
> >> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
> my
> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> >> >> since
> >> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> >> to
> >> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> >> someone
> >> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> From: Matt
> >> >> >> Drall
> >> >> >> e dralle@matronics.com
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> >> >> >> need*
> >> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> coding
> >> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> >> have.
> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> >> >> >> little
> >> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://www.m
> >> >> >> atroni
> >> >> >> cs.com/xdp
> >> >> >> 4000x/
> >> >> >> SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> >> different.
> >> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> PhatManager).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Matt Dralle
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> >> a
> >> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> >> have
> >> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >> >> >> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> >> >> y conn
> >> >> >> ector. They can be seen on the
> >> >> >> PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> >> >> >> work
> >> >> >> with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> >> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> >> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> >> is
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> PhatBox
> >> >> >> sho
> >> >> >> uld th
> >> >> >> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> >> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> >> Mike"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> BR
> >> >> >> ;
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ==================================================================
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> &g
> >> >> >> t;
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
> the
> >> >> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> >> themodification
> >> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> >> me
> >> >> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> >> working:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> >> job
> >> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> >> the
> >> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> >> because
> >> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> >> if
> >> >> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> >> directly
> >> >> connected to the head unit?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> >> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> >> >> it's
> >> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> >> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> >> >> > he Son
> >> >> >y Phatbox firmware?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> > suggested
> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> >> >> > 4000x
> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> >> since
> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > ;
> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> >> >> > need*
> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> >> > coding
> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> >> >> > little
> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Wha
> >> >> > t Matt
> >> >> > Found on his cable:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> > different.
> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For reference, here is a message
> >> >> > from M
> >> >> >ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> >> >> > work
> >> >> >
> >> >> > &g
> >> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> > Mike"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Drall
> >> >> > e | Ma
> >> >> >tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> > suggested
> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> >> >> > 4000x
> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> >> since
> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> >
> >> >> > &
> >> >> >gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> >> I'm
> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> >> >> > need*
> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> >> > coding
> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> >> >> > little
> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin
> >> >> > numbe
> >> >> >rs and what not:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.m
> >> >> > atroni
> >> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> > different.
> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Fo
> >> >> > r refe
> >> >> >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> >> a
> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> >> have
> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> >> > y conn
> >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> >> >> > work
> >> >> > &
> >> >> > gt; &g
> >> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> >> to
> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> > Mike"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > BR
> >> >> > ;
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> >> >> > 94551
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> >> >> there,
> >> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> >> >> > pl
> >> >> > ugged
> >> >> >in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
> >> >> Phatbox
> >> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> suggested
> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> >> >> > s inst
> >> >> >ead of 4.7k since
> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anyone out there
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> >> >> > need*
> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> coding
> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > links are
> >> >> > for re
> >> >> >ference only and you might find
> >> >> > you n
> >> >> > eed to interpolate a
> >> >> > little
> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> > different.
> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > g
> >> >> > t;
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> >> >> >&
> >> >> > gt; > >R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> system.
> >> The
> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> >> a
> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> >> have
> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> >> >> > work
> >> >> > with any multi-device conf
> >> >> > igurat
> >> >> > ions.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> >> >> > stays
> >> >> > high
> >> >> >(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> >> to
> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> > Mike"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> suggested
> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> >> >> > ommuni
> >> >> >cates with the Phatbox.
> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> since
> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt
> >> >> > Drall
> >> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> >> >> > need*
> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> coding
> >> >> <
> >> >> > BR>>
> >> >> >; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> >> have.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> >> >> > little
> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.m
> >> >> > atroni
> >> >> > cs.com/xdp
> >> >> > 4000x/
> >> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> > different.
> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt Drall
> >> >> > e
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> >> a
> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> >> have
> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >> >> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> >> > y conn
> >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> >> >> > work
> >> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> >> >> > t is a
> >> >> >n input. It is used for
> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> >> >> > sho
> >> >> > uld th
> >> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> > Mike"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > BR
> >> >> > ;
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > ;
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > g
> >> >> > t;
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > matron
> >> >> >ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> >> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
> did
> >> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >> >
> >> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> >> could be the problem, huh?
> >> >
> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> >> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> >> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> >> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> I
> >> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
> >> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > What do you kn
> >> > ow abo
> >> >ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> >> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> >> modification
> >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> >> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> >> > working:
> >> >
> >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
> >> the
> >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> >> > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> >> > directly connected to the head unit?
> >> >
> >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message -----------
> >> > --- > >R> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> >> > it's
> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version
> >> > of the
> >> > Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> > Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> > since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> >> > to
> >> > &
> >> > gt;>
> >> >; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> >> > *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> > coding
> >> > and what
> >> > not mi
> >> >ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> >> > have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> >> > a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your in
> >> > stalla
> >> >tion.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> >> > using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> > xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> > PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> >> > when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >> > connect
> >> > a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> >> > orang
> >> >e (ground) wires. I
> >> > have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> >> > the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> >> > will
> >> > work
> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> >> > for
> >> > &g
> >> > t; >
> >> >; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> >> > signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> >> > is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> > PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> >> > listen
> >> > to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > &
> >> > gt; Ma
> >> >tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> >> > Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> > since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > &
> >> > gt; &g
> >> >t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> >> > to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> >> > wire.
> >> >Note the color
> >> > coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> >> > have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.m
> >> > atroni
> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > d
> >> > iffere
> >> >nt.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> > xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> > PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> >> > when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >> > connect a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> >> > orang
> >> >e (ground) wires. I
> >> > have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> > y conn
> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> >> > will
> >> > work
> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > a
> >> > rbitra
> >> >tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> >> > signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> >> > is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> > PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> >> > to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> >> > ore |
> >> >CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> >> > a comp
> >> >lete system reset
> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >> > there,
> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> >> > Phatbox
> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> >> > by: bo
> >> >bbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> > Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> > since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there
> >> > with
> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original me
> >> > ssage
> >> >--------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find
> >> > you n
> >> > eed to interpolate a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >&g
> >> > t; >
> >> >;
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> > t;
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections
> >> > are th
> >> >e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> > with any multi-device conf
> >> > igurat
> >> > ions.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initializatio
> >> > n. Wit
> >> >hout the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > &
> >> > gt; > >R>
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> > since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt <
> >> > BR>>
> >> >; Drall
> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > What P
> >> >hatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.m
> >> > atroni
> >> > cs.com/xdp
> >> > 4000x/
> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections
> >> > are th
> >> >e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> > y conn
> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device i
> >> > nitial
> >> >ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > sho
> >> > uld th
> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >&
> >> > gt; &g
> >> >t;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> > t;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> >> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> >> me
> >> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> >> > not wo
> >> >rking:
> >> >
> >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
> >> the
> >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> >> if
> >> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> >> directly
> >> > connected to the head unit?
> >> >
> >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >> >&
> >> > gt; &g
> >> >t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> >> > it's
> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> >> > he Son
> >> > y Phatbox firmware?
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and
> >> > the pr
> >> >oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> > Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> > since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> >
> >> > ;
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> >> > ue. Be
> >> >low are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> > coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > Wha
> >> > t Matt
> >> > Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that m
> >> > atches
> >> > best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message
> >> > from M
> >> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> >> > a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> >> > have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> >> > can b
> >> >e seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> >> > to
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Drall
> >> > e | Ma
> >> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> > since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> >> > ation.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> > coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> >> > le you
> >> > have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin
> >> > numbe
> >> > rs and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.m
> >> > atroni
> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> >> > ough P
> >> >hatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Fo
> >> > r refe
> >> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> > y conn
> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> >> > 6.00 a
> >> >nd an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> >
> >> > gt; g
> >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | <
> >> > BR>>
> >> >; 94551
> >> >
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >> > there,
> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> >> >
> >> > p
> >> >l
> >> > ugged
> >> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> >> > Phatbox
> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> >
> >> >&g
> >> >t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> >> > s inst
> >> > ead of 4.7k since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there
> >> > with
> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on ho
> >> > w the
> >> >Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are
> >> > for re
> >> > ference only and you might find
> >> > you n
> >> > eed to interpolate a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > &
> >> >gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> > t;
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > gt; > > R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox
> >> > conne
> >> >ctor.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> > with any multi-device conf
> >> > igurat
> >> > ions.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays
> >> > high
> >> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset.
> >> > He wo
> >> >uld know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> >> > ommuni
> >> > cates with the Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> > <
> >> > BR>>
> >> >; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt
> >> > Drall
> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > ; and what not might be different depending on
> >> > the ve
> >> >rsion of cable you have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.m
> >> > atroni
> >> > cs.com/xdp
> >> > 4000x/
> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> >> > are (u
> >> >pgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Drall
> >> > e
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> > y conn
> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > c
> >> > onfigu
> >> >rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> >> > t is a
> >> > n input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > sho
> >> > uld th
> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G
> >> > Dralle
> >> > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> > t;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > matron
> >> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> >> > A | 94
> >> >551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > > QUOTE>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, short
> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
> >
> >Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up
> fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
PB
> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> >XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear,
> C90 only sees the PB.
> >
> >Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
> system without the PB.
> >
> >Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut down
> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
> sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn
a
> thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem
> is...lol
> >
> >Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original PBcable
> from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was
> made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
> made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that were
> made before the modification was put in place.
> >
> >I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> Ahhhh!
> >
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> > resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> > unless you miss wire something... :-)
> >
> > The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
on
> > the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
> a
> > class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with some
> > examples:
> >
> > CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> > MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> > Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> > Processors: 210, 4000x
> > , inte
> >rnal Bass/Treble
> >
> > On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
> > device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
> > Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> > particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> > (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
> >
> > An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> powered
> > up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> > device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
> > sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus address
> > negotiation.
> >
> > The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
> > closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
> > asical
> >ly what
> > happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> connectivity
> > to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
> > the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
> so
> > negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
> >
> > The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> Changer
> > class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged into
> > the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
> >
> > That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
> > 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I wanted
> > to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
> to
> > figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> > addressing that way, but I didn't really g
> > et an
> >answer back. I've written an
> > embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> > microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> > compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> surly
> > Phatbox could.
> >
> > If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
> > two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> did
> > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >
> > So you don't think the reset line in yo
> > ur dia
> >gram or a higher value resistor
> > could be the problem, huh?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
> > rote:
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > modification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> > i
> > f that
> > would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it
> > is pl
> >ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >
> > sugge
> >sted
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > &
> > gt; &g
> >t;
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> >&
> > gt; &g
> >t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > &
> > gt; Us
> >e the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > &g
> > t;
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> > on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > co
> > nfigur
> >ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should the
> > n forc
> >e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > <
> >BR>
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > so
> > meone
> >
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > >
> > ;
> >coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > ;
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> >
> > Firmw
> >are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >
> > &g
> >t; PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> > &g
> > t; >
> >;
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So f
> > rustra
> >ting, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 0
> > 7:27 P
> >M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
> > hat > >R> someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> >
> > &
> >gt; links are for reference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
> > If yo
> >u are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (So
> > nyCabl
> >e5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> >
> >&
> >gt; is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> > Produc
> >ts For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> >
> > wouldn
> >'t mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > &g
> > t;
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > ;
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > >
> > ;
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
> > PhatB
> >ox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > >
> > ;
> >http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you know abou
> > t the
> >reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > themodification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> > me
> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> > if
> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly
> > connected to the head unit?
> > >
> > ;
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -
> > ------
> >------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > he Son
> > y Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> >
> > Still
> > wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >
> > ;
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > &g
> > t; inf
> >ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > Wha
> > t Matt
> > Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> >Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message
> > from M
> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> >&g
> > t; >
> >; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >
> > a
> >rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Drall
> > e | Ma
> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
> > @matro
> >nics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> <
> > BR>>
> >;
> >
> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> >
> >&g
> >t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin
> > numbe
> > rs and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>
> > >
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Fo
> > r refe
> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >
> > &
> >gt; y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > ;
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > 94551
> >
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==========================================
> > ======
> >==================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > pl
> > ugged
> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >&
> > gt; &g
> >t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soo
> > n as t
> >he Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > s inst
> > ead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > -
> >- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are
> > for re
> > ference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.c
> > om/xdp
> >4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> >
> > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > wor
> > k
> >
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays
> > high
> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > &g
> >t;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > ommuni
> > cates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >
> > s
> >ince
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> >
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> >
> > BR
> > ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > &g
> >t;
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Drall
> > e
> >
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> >
> >&
> >gt; a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> >>
> > ;
> > n input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >
> >&g
> >t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> > matron
> >
> >&
> >gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> did
> > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >
> > So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> > could be the problem, huh?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> >e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > What do you kn
> > ow abo
> > ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> >
> > o
> >nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > modification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message -----------
> >&
> > gt; &g
> >t; --- > > R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version
> > of the
> > Sony Phatbox firmware? > > R>
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> >
> > gt;
> > ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
> > able d
> >irect from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what
> > not mi
> > ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Mat
> > t Foun
> >d on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your in
> > stalla
> > tion.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed
> > cable
> >manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > orang
> > e (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> >n input. It is used
> > for
> > g
> > t;
> > ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; Ma
> > tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
> > il
> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> >
> > gt; g
> > t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >
> > runnin
> >g out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> > wire.
> > Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http:/
> > /www.m
> >atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > d
> > iffere
> > nt.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
> > his s
> >ystem. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > orang
> > e (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >
> >
> >a
> > rbitra
> > tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> > ore |
> > CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> > Aircra
> >ft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> > a comp
> > lete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
> > shut d
> >own when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> > by: bo
> > bbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resist
> > or sho
> >uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original me
> > ssage
> > --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
> > Note
> >the color coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > g
> > t;
> > ;
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to h
> > ave op
> >erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections
> > are th
> > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware
> > 5.00
> >and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initializatio
> > n. Wit
> > hout the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >&g
> > t; >
> >;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; > > R
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > pa
> > rt wit
> >h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > BR
> > ; Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> >
> >&
> >gt; little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> >
> > What P
> > hatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > <
> > BR>>
> >; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections
> > are th
> > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-devi
> > ce con
> >figurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device i
> > nitial
> > ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
> > Email
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > gt; g
> > t;
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> >>
> > ; me <
> >BR> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> > not wo
> > rking:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> > if
> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly
> > connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > &g
> > t; Yes
> >, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > he Son
> > y Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
> > wrote
> >:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and
> > the pr
> > oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >
> > ;
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > &
> > gt; > >R> -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> > ue. Be
> > low are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > Wha
> > t Matt
> > Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> >&
> >gt;
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that m
> > atches
> > best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message
> > from M
> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
> > t
> >
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> > can b
> > e seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at
> > all ti
> >mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> >
> >
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Drall
> > e | Ma
> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >
> > sugge
> >sted
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> > ation.
> >
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >
> >
> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > &
> > gt; > >R>
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> > le you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin
> > numbe
> > rs and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> >
> > Depend
> >ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> > ough P
> > hatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Fo
> > r refe
> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description
> > of the
> > connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> > 6.00 a
> > nd an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > &g
> > t; Aft
> >er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > BR
> > ; 94551
> >
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >>
> > ;
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> >
> > p
> > l
> > ugged
> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message p
> > osted
> >by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> >
> > g
> > t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > s inst
> > ead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
> > illing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on ho
> > w the
> > Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are
> > for re
> > ference only and you might find <
> > BR>>
> >; you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > g
> >> t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > gt; > > R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox
> > conne
> > ctor.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> >
> >with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays
> > high
> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset.
> > He wo
> > uld know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-6
> > 06-628
> >1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > ommuni
> > cates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > BR
> > ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a
> > cable
> > direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> >
> > BR
> > ; and what not might be different depending on
> > the ve
> > rsion of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers
> > and w
> >hat not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> > are (u
> > pgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Drall
> > e
> >
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a messag
> > e from
> > Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > c
> > onfigu
> > rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >>
> > ;
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> > n input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G
> > Dralle
> > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
> > om Ema
> >il
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> > matron
> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> > A | 94
> > 551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.co
> > m Emai
> >l
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > > > QUOTE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > ist/se
> >arch
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
Ok, I went ahead andclipped thereset wire and nowthe PBactually works in my system
without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my processor
is not accepting analog audio at the analog changerinput any longer (and it
used to just fine)... Idid testand there is audio at the outputs of the PB, but
it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
I threw my cd changerback in to see if my processor would accept analog audio from
that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer either...
(I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always used the
digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on since
those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my system,
but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and I don't
have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially convinced
that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said before
it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken inside of
my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check everything
out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that line
down and never letting anyone else init.
Matt
At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from it
split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB) plugged directly int
o the
Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30: PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
&
gt; &g
t;Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it
was made by Phatnoise) or age o
f the
cable so I don't know how recent it has
been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
were made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger sla
ve <BR
> on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (lo
w nibb
le).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
so
>
;
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microco
ntroll
er and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
&g
t; >
;So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you pr
omise
on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the <B
R>
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
&g
t; >
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
--
XDP400
0X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers
down,
the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the versi
on of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pd
f
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
&
gt; &g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
&g
t; >
;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the
bus m
aster signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
&g
t; >
; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
<
BR>>
;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're <B
R>
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
s
ome <B
R> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
&
gt;>
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
&
gt; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
&g
t; >
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configuration
s. I'm
not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot
and t
hen shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@m
atroni
cs.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air
craft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
&
gt;>
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in <B
R> my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
&g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might f
ind <B
R> you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
&g
t;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
conne
ct
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
&g
t; igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know be
st abo
ut using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
&
gt; suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
&
gt; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different dependi
ng on
the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
>
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We
chang
ed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable w
orks w
ith simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho <B
R>
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt; <B
R>
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
&
gt;>
; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a fir
mware
update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shut
s down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At
07:27
PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
par
t with
for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor be
tween
ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
&
gt; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We chang
ed cab
le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if f
irmwar
e 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
&g
t;
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as <B
R> suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>
;
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
T
he <BR
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
>
;
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
co
nnect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
&g
t; >
; gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
&
gt; <B
R> Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
>
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the
Phatb
ox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending
on the
version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little <B
R>
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system. <B
R>
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
&
gt; work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
&g
t;
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
s
uggest
ed
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody hel
p? <BR
>
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>
;
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>
;
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are t
he sam
e but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
>
;
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regardi
ng pus
hing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
&
gt;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Bo
x 347
| Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP
4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask
Matt.
Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
--- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the <
BR>>
; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted b
y: Mat
t Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com
/xdp40
00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For r
eferen
ce, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an
unmod
ified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few
second
s. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon
as th
e Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@
matron
ics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
<
BR>>
; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle <BR
>
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when direc
tly co
nnected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
<
BR>>
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatb
ox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X
-List
message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
;
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work <
BR> with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
&
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k <B
R>
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information
on how
the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
>
;
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors
are di
fferent. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
ed for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermor
e | CA
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
<B
R>
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update
? Im n
ot
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
&
gt; plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister ins
talled
as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
<BR
>
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
&
gt; Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
;
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when dir
ectly
connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
&g
t; >
; to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
&
gt; 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
<
BR> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
>
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
&g
t; Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with
simpl
e multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He
would
know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Live
rmore
| CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know
what
to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system reset
s and
the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
<
BR>>
; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoi
se way
back when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmod
ified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
&g
t; <BR
> Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Ph
atbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
; Okay
, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
&
gt; &g
t;
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Wo
o at P
hatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
ra
tions. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
<
BR>>
; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-100
1 V |
925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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QUOTE
&
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers up
fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C
30: PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbo
x is s
hut down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn
a
thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original PBcable
from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was
made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that were
made before the modification was put in place.
&g
t; >
;I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with some
examples: <B
R>
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x
, inte
rnal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it w
ill re
set the bus (both a protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus. The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
asical
ly what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged into
the HU or is on Port 1 of th
e firs
t XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really g
et an
answer back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on my
two installations to see if the
probl
em is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in yo
ur dia
gram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my insta
llatio
ns, I am plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
rote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me wrote after I
contac
ted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
i
f that
would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, a
nd I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it
is pl
ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: b
obbybr
aun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
t; g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his ca
ble: <
BR>
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
gt; Us
e the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable ma
nufact
urers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t;
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
co
nfigur
ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
&
gt;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should the
n forc
e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606
-6281
F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
woul
dn't m
ind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
;
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
>
; with
respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmw
are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmod
ified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
g
t; PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
&
gt; <B
R>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So f
rustra
ting, the C9
0 know
s the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 0
7:27 P
M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as <BR
> suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
hat <B
R someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dra
lle <B
R>
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If yo
u are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>
; have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(So
nyCabl
e5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
gt; is
>
; the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still t
here..
. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn
't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
<
BR> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
g
t;
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
<BR
>
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attach
ed a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
;
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
PhatB
ox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right
time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
;
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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g
t;
What do you know abou
t the
reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing w
as tha
t in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
;
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whe
never
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-
------
------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my <B
R> 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still
wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
&g
t; g
t; inf
ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different. <BR
>
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
g
t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
&g
t; >
;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>
; shou
ld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
@matro
nics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
&
gt; St
ill wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
BR
;
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
&
gt; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are y
ou using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
&g
t; >
;gt; y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a r
eset a
fter a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==========================================
======
==================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics
.com/
WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
gt; g
t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of
the S
ony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soo
n as t
he Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and
pin nu
mbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.c
om/xdp
4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>
;
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
wor
k
with any multi-device conf
igurat
io
ns. <B
R>
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
s
ince
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
r
unning out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
&
gt; Wh
at Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
g
t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise wa
y back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
gt; a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
&g
t; >
; The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
;
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-60
6-6281
F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V |
925-60
6-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
&g
t; the
Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
o
nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me wrote after I contac
ted hi
m the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
gt; g
t; --- <B
R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware? <B
R
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4
000X-L
ist message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
able d
irect from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
&g
t; >
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Mat
t Foun
d on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/U
nilink
-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed
cable
manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
&g
t; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used <
BR>>
; for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
il
h
ttp://
www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
runnin
>
;
g out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http:
/
/www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable man
ufactu
rers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with th
e bus
master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@
matron
ics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircra
ft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it
odd t
hat the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
shut d
own when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x <BR
>
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resist
or sho
uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
&
gt; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
Note
the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use t
he dra
wing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to h
ave op
erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The
numbe
rs can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware
5.00
and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
&g
t; sho
uld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; <B
R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox
.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
pa
rt wit
h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will <
BR>>
; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
BR
; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They c
an be
seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-devi
ce con
figurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
wever,
you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircr
aft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
; me
BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware up
date?
Im not sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
g
t; Yes
, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x
which
is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
wrote
:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>
; Phat
box.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; <B
R -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *wil
l
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
gt;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
t
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b <B
R>
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at
all ti
mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should li
sten <
BR> to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k oh
ms ins
tead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt; <B
R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor
betwe
en ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depend
ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Son
y firm
ware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
&g
t; >
; PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
g
t; Aft
er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, yo
u shou
ld listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
;
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produ
cts Fo
r Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message p
osted
by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Are you running the 7.0 vers
ion of
the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
illing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bo
ttom o
f a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
BR
; you n
eed
to int
erpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
&g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
gt; <B
R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
&
gt; with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001
V | 92
5-6
06-628
1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn'
t mind
me using to get myself a
cable
direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
littl
e
with respect to colors and pin numbers
and w
hat not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a messag
e from
Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons <B
R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if fi
rmware
6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt
G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
om Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Great news!
Couple of things come to mind with respect to your new audio woes. Digital vs
Analog input on the 4000x is only negotiated on reset (button on C90), so with
all the plugging around, make sure that you set things up like you want, then
press that reset button.
Second, the "tinny" sound might be because you've selected an unprogrammed EQ/Xover
setting on the 4000x. The default setting has some of the Xover settings
off or highly attenuated.
Plug your PC back into the 4000x and double check all of your EQ and XO memory
locations, and then make sure you select the right ones on the HU.
Almost there!
Matt
At 08:13 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
>--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
>Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works in my
system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my processor
is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any longer (and
it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs of the
PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
>
>I threw my cd changer back in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer either...
(I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always used
the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
>
>I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on since
those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my system,
but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and I
don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
>
>So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially convinced
that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said before
it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken inside of
my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check everything
out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
>
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>>
>> Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that line
>> down and never letting anyone else init.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
>> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> >Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, short
>> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
it
>> split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
>> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
>> >
>> >Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
>> up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
>> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
PB
>> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
>> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
>> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
>> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
>> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
>> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
>> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
>> >XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
>> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear,
>> C90 only sees the PB.
>> >
>> >Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
>> system without the PB.
>> >
>> >Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
>> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
>> besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
>> thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem
>> is...lol
>> >
>> >Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
>> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
>> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
>> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
>> cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
it
>> was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
>> been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
that
>> were made before the modification was put in place.
>> >
>> >I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
>> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
>> Ahhhh!
>> >
>> >
>> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >>
>> >> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
>> >> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
>> >> unless you miss wire something... :-)
>> >>
>> >> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
>> on
>> >> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
>> a
>> >> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
>> some
>> >> examples:
>> >>
>> >> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
>> >> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
>> >> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
>> >> Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
>> >>
>> >> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
>> >> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
>> >> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
>> >> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
>> >> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
>> >>
>> >> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
>> powered
>> >> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
>> >> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
>> >> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
>> address
>> >> negotiation.
>> >>
>> >> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
>> The
>> >> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
>> >> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
>> connectivity
>> >> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
>> >> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
>> so
>> >> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
>> >>
>> >> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
>> Changer
>> >> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
>> into
>> >> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
>> >>
>> >> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
the
>> >> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
>> wanted
>> >> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
>> to
>> >> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
>> >> addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written
an
>> >> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
>> >> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
>> >> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
>> surly
>> >> Phatbox could.
>> >>
>> >> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
on
>> my
>> >> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
>> >>
>> >> Matt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
>> >> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
>> >> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
>> did
>> >> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>> >> >
>> >> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
>> >> could be the problem, huh?
>> >> >
>> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
>> plugging
>> >> >> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
>> >> >> C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
>> Phatbox
>> >> >> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
>> I
>> >> >> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
>> >> >> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Matt
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> >> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
>> the
>> >> >> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
>> >> modification
>> >> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
>> for
>> >> >> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
>> >> >> working:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
>> the
>> >> job
>> >> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
>> in
>> >> the
>> >> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
>> >> because
>> >> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
>> sure
>> >> >> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
>> >> >> directly connected to the head unit?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> >From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
>> reset
>> >> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
>> is
>> >> >> >> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
>> >> whenever
>> >> >> it's
>> >> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
>> >> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
>> the
>> >> >> >> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Matt
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
>> as
>> >> >> >> suggested
>> >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
>> in
>> >> my
>> >> >> >> 4000x
>> >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
>> >> >> Phatbox.
>> >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
>> 4.7k
>> >> >> since
>> >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
>> >> willing
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> >> someone
>> >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>> >> I'm
>> >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
>> >> some
>> >> >> >> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
>> you
>> >> >> *will
>> >> >> >> > need*
>> >> >> >> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
>> >> color
>> >> >> >> coding
>> >> >> >> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
>> you
>> >> >> have.
>> >> >> >> > The
>> >> >> >> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
>> >> interpolate
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> > little
>> >> >> >> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
>> little
>> >> >> >> > different.
>> >> >> >> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
>> are
>> >> >> using
>> >> >> >> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> >> >> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> >> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> >> >> PhatManager).
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
>> back
>> >> >> when:
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
>> The
>> >> >> >> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
>> >> >> connect
>> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
>> wires.
>> >> I
>> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
>> seen
>> >> on
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> > >> PhatBox connector.
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
>> >> unit.
>> >> >> >> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
>> multi-device
>> >> >> >> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
>> cable
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> >> > work
>> >> >> >> > >> with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It
is
>> used
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
>> the
>> >> >> signal
>> >> >> >> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
>> knowing
>> >> when
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > >> right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
>> The
>> >> >> PhatBox
>> >> >> >> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
>> >> >> listen
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
>> C90.
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Regards,
>> >> >> >> > >> Mike"
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> >> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
>> as
>> >> >> >> suggested
>> >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
>> in
>> >> my
>> >> >> >> 4000x
>> >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
the
>> >> >> Phatbox.
>> >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
>> 4.7k
>> >> >> since
>> >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
>> >> willing
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> >> someone
>> >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>> >> I'm
>> >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
>> >> some
>> >> >> >> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
>> >> *will
>> >> >> >> > need*
>> >> >> >> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
>> color
>> >> >> >> coding
>> >> >> >> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
>> you
>> >> >> have.
>> >> >> >> > The
>> >> >> >> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
>> >> interpolate a
>> >> >> >> > little
>> >> >> >> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > http://www.m
>> >> >> >> > > atroni
>> >> >> >> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
>> little
>> >> >> >> > different.
>> >> >> >> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
>> >> using
>> >> >> >> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> >> >> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> >> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> >> >> PhatManager).
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
>> back
>> >> >> when:
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
>> The
>> >> >> >> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
>> >> >> connect a
>> >> >> >> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
>> wires.
>> >> I
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> >> >> > > y conn
>> >> >> >> > >ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> >> >> > > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
>> >> unit.
>> >> >> >> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
>> multi-device
>> >> >> >> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
>> cable
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> >> > work
>> >> >> >> > > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
>> used
>> >> for
>> >> >> >> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
>> >> >> signal
>> >> >> >> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
>> >> when
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
>> >> >> PhatBox
>> >> >> >> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
>> >> listen
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
>> C90.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Regards,
>> >> >> >> > > Mike"
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > <
>> >> >> >> > > BR>>
>> >> >> >> > >;
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> >> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >==================================================================
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
>> reset
>> >> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
>> is
>> >> >> there,
>> >> >> >> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
>> it's
>> >> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
>> >> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
>> the
>> >> >> Phatbox
>> >> >> >> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Matt
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
>> >> >> suggested
>> >> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
>> my
>> >> >> 4000x
>> >> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> >> >> Phatbox.
>> >> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
>> 4.7k
>> >> >> since
>> >> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Anyone out there
>> >> >> >> with
>> >> >> >> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> >> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> >> someone
>> >> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>> I'm
>> >> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
>> >> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> *will
>> >> >> >> need*
>> >> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> >> coding
>> >> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> >> have.
>> >> >> >> The
>> >> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find
>> >> >> >> you n
>> >> >> >> eed to interpolate a
>> >> >> >> little
>> >> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> >> >> different.
>> >> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>> using
>> >> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> >> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> >> PhatManager).
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> &g
>> >> >> >> t;
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> when:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> connect
>> >> a
>> >> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
>> >> have
>> >> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> >> >> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
>> the
>> >> >> >> PhatBox connector.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> will
>> >> >> >> work
>> >> >> >> with any multi-device conf
>> >> >> >> igurat
>> >> >> >> ions.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
>> for
>> >> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> signal
>> >> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
>> when
>> >> is
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> >> PhatBox
>> >> >> >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
>> listen
>> >> to
>> >> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> >> Mike"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> &
>> >> >> >> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
>> >> >> suggested
>> >> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
>> my
>> >> >> 4000x
>> >> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
>> >> Phatbox.
>> >> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
>> 4.7k
>> >> >> since
>> >> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
>> willing
>> >> to
>> >> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> >> someone
>> >> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>> I'm
>> >> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> >> From: Matt
>> >> >> >> Drall
>> >> >> >> e dralle@matronics.com
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
>> >> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> *will
>> >> >> >> need*
>> >> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> >> coding
>> >> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> >> have.
>> >> >> >> The
>> >> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
>> a
>> >> >> >> little
>> >> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> http://www.m
>> >> >> >> atroni
>> >> >> >> cs.com/xdp
>> >> >> >> 4000x/
>> >> >> >> SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> >> >> different.
>> >> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>> using
>> >> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> >> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> >> PhatManager).
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> when:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> connect
>> >> a
>> >> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
>> >> have
>> >> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>> >> >> >> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> >> >> y conn
>> >> >> >> ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> >> >> PhatBox connector.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> will
>> >> >> >> work
>> >> >> >> with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
>> for
>> >> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> signal
>> >> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
>> when
>> >> is
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> >> PhatBox
>> >> >> >> sho
>> >> >> >> uld th
>> >> >> >> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> >> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> >> Mike"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> BR
>> >> >> >> ;
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ==================================================================
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> &g
>> >> >> >> t;
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
>> the
>> >> >> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
>> >> themodification
>> >> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
>> for
>> >> me
>> >> >> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
>> >> working:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
>> the
>> >> job
>> >> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
>> in
>> >> the
>> >> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
>> >> because
>> >> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
>> sure
>> >> if
>> >> >> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
>> >> directly
>> >> >> connected to the head unit?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> >From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
>> is
>> >> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
>> whenever
>> >> >> it's
>> >> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
>> the
>> >> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
>> >> >> > he Son
>> >> >> >y Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Matt
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> >> > suggested
>> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
>> my
>> >> >> > 4000x
>> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> >> >> Phatbox.
>> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
>> >> >> since
>> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
>> to
>> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> someone
>> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>> I'm
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> > ;
>> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> *will
>> >> >> > need*
>> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> >> >> > coding
>> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> have.
>> >> >> > The
>> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
>> a
>> >> >> > little
>> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Wha
>> >> >> > t Matt
>> >> >> > Found on his cable:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> >> > different.
>> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>> using
>> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> PhatManager).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > For reference, here is a message
>> >> >> > from M
>> >> >> >ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> connect
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
>> >> >> > have
>> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
>> the
>> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> will
>> >> >> > work
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > &g
>> >> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
>> for
>> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> signal
>> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
>> is
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> PhatBox
>> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
>> listen
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Regards,
>> >> >> > Mike"
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Matt G Drall
>> >> >> > e | Ma
>> >> >> >tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> >> > suggested
>> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
>> my
>> >> >> > 4000x
>> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
>> >> Phatbox.
>> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
>> >> >> since
>> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
>> to
>> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> someone
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > &
>> >> >> >gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>> >> I'm
>> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> *will
>> >> >> > need*
>> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> >> >> > coding
>> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> have.
>> >> >> > The
>> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
>> a
>> >> >> > little
>> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin
>> >> >> > numbe
>> >> >> >rs and what not:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://www.m
>> >> >> > atroni
>> >> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> >> > different.
>> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>> using
>> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> PhatManager).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Fo
>> >> >> > r refe
>> >> >> >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> connect
>> >> a
>> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
>> >> have
>> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> >> > y conn
>> >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> will
>> >> >> > work
>> >> >> > &
>> >> >> > gt; &g
>> >> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
>> for
>> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> signal
>> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
>> is
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> PhatBox
>> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
>> listen
>> >> to
>> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Regards,
>> >> >> > Mike"
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > BR
>> >> >> > ;
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
>> >> >> > 94551
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > ==================================================================
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
>> is
>> >> >> there,
>> >> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
>> it's
>> >> >> > pl
>> >> >> > ugged
>> >> >> >in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
>> >> >> Phatbox
>> >> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Matt
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> >> suggested
>> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
>> my
>> >> >> 4000x
>> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> >> Phatbox.
>> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
>> >> >> > s inst
>> >> >> >ead of 4.7k since
>> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Anyone out there
>> >> >> > with
>> >> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> someone
>> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>> I'm
>> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> *will
>> >> >> > need*
>> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> >> coding
>> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> have.
>> >> >> > The
>> >> >> > links are
>> >> >> > for re
>> >> >> >ference only and you might find
>> >> >> > you n
>> >> >> > eed to interpolate a
>> >> >> > little
>> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> >> > different.
>> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>> using
>> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> PhatManager).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > g
>> >> >> > t;
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> when:
>> >> >> >&
>> >> >> > gt; > >R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
>> system.
>> >> The
>> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> connect
>> >> a
>> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
>> >> have
>> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
>> the
>> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> will
>> >> >> > work
>> >> >> > with any multi-device conf
>> >> >> > igurat
>> >> >> > ions.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
>> for
>> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> signal
>> >> >> > stays
>> >> >> > high
>> >> >> >(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> PhatBox
>> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
>> listen
>> >> to
>> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Regards,
>> >> >> > Mike"
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> >> suggested
>> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
>> my
>> >> >> 4000x
>> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
>> >> >> > ommuni
>> >> >> >cates with the Phatbox.
>> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
>> >> since
>> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
>> to
>> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> someone
>> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>> I'm
>> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> > From: Matt
>> >> >> > Drall
>> >> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> *will
>> >> >> > need*
>> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> >> coding
>> >> >> <
>> >> >> > BR>>
>> >> >> >; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> >> have.
>> >> >> > The
>> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
>> a
>> >> >> > little
>> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://www.m
>> >> >> > atroni
>> >> >> > cs.com/xdp
>> >> >> > 4000x/
>> >> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> >> > different.
>> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>> using
>> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> PhatManager).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Matt Drall
>> >> >> > e
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> when:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> connect
>> >> a
>> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
>> >> have
>> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>> >> >> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> >> > y conn
>> >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> will
>> >> >> > work
>> >> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
>> >> >> > t is a
>> >> >> >n input. It is used for
>> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> signal
>> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
>> is
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> PhatBox
>> >> >> > sho
>> >> >> > uld th
>> >> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Regards,
>> >> >> > Mike"
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > BR
>> >> >> > ;
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > ==================================================================
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> > ;
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > g
>> >> >> > t;
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > matron
>> >> >> >ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
>> >> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
>> did
>> >> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>> >> >
>> >> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
>> >> could be the problem, huh?
>> >> >
>> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
>> plugging
>> >> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
>> >> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
>> >> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
>> I
>> >> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
>> >> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> > What do you kn
>> >> > ow abo
>> >> >ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
>> >> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
>> >> modification
>> >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
>> for
>> >> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
>> >> > working:
>> >> >
>> >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
>> job
>> >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
>> >> the
>> >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
>> because
>> >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
>> sure
>> >> > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
>> >> > directly connected to the head unit?
>> >> >
>> >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message -----------
>> >> > --- > >R> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
>> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
>> >> > it's
>> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
>> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version
>> >> > of the
>> >> > Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> > suggested
>> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> > 4000x
>> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> >> > Phatbox.
>> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> >> > since
>> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
>> >> > to
>> >> > &
>> >> > gt;>
>> >> >; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> someone
>> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> >> > *will
>> >> > need*
>> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> >> > coding
>> >> > and what
>> >> > not mi
>> >> >ght be different depending on the version of cable you
>> >> > have.
>> >> > The
>> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
>> >> > a
>> >> > little
>> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >
>> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> > different.
>> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your in
>> >> > stalla
>> >> >tion.
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>> >> > using
>> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> >> > xdp-4000x.
>> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> >> > PhatManager).
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> >> > when:
>> >> >
>> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> >> > connect
>> >> > a
>> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
>> >> > orang
>> >> >e (ground) wires. I
>> >> > have
>> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >
>> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
>> >> > the
>> >> > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >
>> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> >> > will
>> >> > work
>> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >
>> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
>> >> > for
>> >> > &g
>> >> > t; >
>> >> >; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> >> > signal
>> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
>> >> > is
>> >> > the
>> >> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >
>> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> >> > PhatBox
>> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
>> >> > listen
>> >> > to
>> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Mike"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > &
>> >> > gt; Ma
>> >> >tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> > suggested
>> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> > 4000x
>> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
>> >> > Phatbox.
>> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> >> > since
>> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >
>> >> > &
>> >> > gt; &g
>> >> >t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
>> >> > to
>> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> >> > need*
>> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
>> >> > wire.
>> >> >Note the color
>> >> > coding
>> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> >> > have.
>> >> > The
>> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
>> >> > little
>> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >
>> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.m
>> >> > atroni
>> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> > d
>> >> > iffere
>> >> >nt.
>> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> >> > xdp-4000x.
>> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> >> > PhatManager).
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> >> > when:
>> >> >
>> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> >> > connect a
>> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
>> >> > orang
>> >> >e (ground) wires. I
>> >> > have
>> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >
>> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> > y conn
>> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >
>> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> >> > will
>> >> > work
>> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >
>> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> >> > a
>> >> > rbitra
>> >> >tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> >> > signal
>> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
>> >> > is
>> >> > the
>> >> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >
>> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> >> > PhatBox
>> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> >> > to
>> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Mike"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > BR
>> >> > ;
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
>> >> > ore |
>> >> >CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ==================================================================
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
>> >> > a comp
>> >> >lete system reset
>> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
>> >> > there,
>> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
>> >> > Phatbox
>> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
>> >> > by: bo
>> >> >bbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> > suggested
>> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> > 4000x
>> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> >> > Phatbox.
>> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> >> > since
>> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone out there
>> >> > with
>> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original me
>> >> > ssage
>> >> >--------------
>> >> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> >> > need*
>> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> coding
>> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> >> > The
>> >> > links are for reference only and you might find
>> >> > you n
>> >> > eed to interpolate a
>> >> > little
>> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >
>> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >&g
>> >> > t; >
>> >> >;
>> >> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> > different.
>> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > g
>> >> > t;
>> >> >
>> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >> >
>> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> > connections
>> >> > are th
>> >> >e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
>> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> have
>> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >
>> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
>> >> > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >
>> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> >> > work
>> >> > with any multi-device conf
>> >> > igurat
>> >> > ions.
>> >> >
>> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> >> > arbitration during device initializatio
>> >> > n. Wit
>> >> >hout the pull-down the signal
>> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
>> >> > the
>> >> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >
>> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> to
>> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Mike"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > &
>> >> > gt; > >R>
>> >> >
>> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> > suggested
>> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> > 4000x
>> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
>> Phatbox.
>> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> >> > since
>> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
>> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt <
>> >> > BR>>
>> >> >; Drall
>> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> >> > need*
>> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> coding
>> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> >> > The
>> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
>> >> > little
>> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >
>> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > What P
>> >> >hatbox Said:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.m
>> >> > atroni
>> >> > cs.com/xdp
>> >> > 4000x/
>> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> > different.
>> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >> >
>> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> > connections
>> >> > are th
>> >> >e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
>> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> have
>> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>> >> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >
>> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> > y conn
>> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >
>> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> >> > work
>> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >
>> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> >> > arbitration during device i
>> >> > nitial
>> >> >ization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
>> >> > the
>> >> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >
>> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> >> > sho
>> >> > uld th
>> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Mike"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > BR
>> >> > ;
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >&
>> >> > gt; &g
>> >> >t;
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ==================================================================
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > g
>> >> > t;
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
>> the
>> >> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
>> themodification
>> >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
>> for
>> >> me
>> >> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
>> >> > not wo
>> >> >rking:
>> >> >
>> >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
>> job
>> >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
>> >> the
>> >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
>> because
>> >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
>> sure
>> >> if
>> >> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
>> >> directly
>> >> > connected to the head unit?
>> >> >
>> >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
>> >> >&
>> >> > gt; &g
>> >> >t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
>> whenever
>> >> > it's
>> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
>> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
>> >> > he Son
>> >> > y Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> > suggested
>> >> > and
>> >> > the pr
>> >> >oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> >> > 4000x
>> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> >> > Phatbox.
>> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> >> > since
>> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
>> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >> >
>> >> > ;
>> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
>> >> > ue. Be
>> >> >low are two links to some
>> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> >> > need*
>> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> >> > coding
>> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> >> > The
>> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
>> >> > little
>> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >
>> >> > Wha
>> >> > t Matt
>> >> > Found on his cable:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> > different.
>> >> > Use the drawing that m
>> >> > atches
>> >> > best your installation.
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > For reference, here is a message
>> >> > from M
>> >> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >> >
>> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>> >> > a
>> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> >> > have
>> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >
>> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
>> >> > can b
>> >> >e seen on the
>> >> > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >
>> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> >> > work
>> >> >
>> >> > g
>> >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >
>> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
>> >> > the
>> >> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >
>> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> >> > to
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Mike"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Drall
>> >> > e | Ma
>> >> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> > suggested
>> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> > 4000x
>> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
>> Phatbox.
>> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> >> > since
>> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
>> >> > ation.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
>> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>> I'm
>> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> >> > need*
>> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> >> > coding
>> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
>> >> > le you
>> >> > have.
>> >> > The
>> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
>> >> > little
>> >> > with respect to colors and pin
>> >> > numbe
>> >> > rs and what not:
>> >> >
>> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.m
>> >> > atroni
>> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> > different.
>> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
>> >> > ough P
>> >> >hatManager).
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Fo
>> >> > r refe
>> >> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >> >
>> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>> a
>> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> have
>> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >
>> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> > y conn
>> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >
>> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
>> >> > 6.00 a
>> >> >nd an unmodified cable will
>> >> > work
>> >> >
>> >> > gt; g
>> >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >
>> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
>> >> > the
>> >> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >
>> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> to
>> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Mike"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > BR
>> >> > ;
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | <
>> >> > BR>>
>> >> >; 94551
>> >> >
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ==================================================================
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
>> >> > there,
>> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>> >> >
>> >> > p
>> >> >l
>> >> > ugged
>> >> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
>> >> > Phatbox
>> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> > suggested
>> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> > 4000x
>> >> >
>> >> >&g
>> >> >t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> >> Phatbox.
>> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
>> >> > s inst
>> >> > ead of 4.7k since
>> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone out there
>> >> > with
>> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> > information on ho
>> >> > w the
>> >> >Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> >> > need*
>> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> coding
>> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> >> > The
>> >> > links are
>> >> > for re
>> >> > ference only and you might find
>> >> > you n
>> >> > eed to interpolate a
>> >> > little
>> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >
>> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> > different.
>> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > &
>> >> >gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>> using
>> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > g
>> >> > t;
>> >> >
>> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >> >
>> >> > gt; > > R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
>> The
>> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>> a
>> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> have
>> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >
>> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
>> >> > PhatBox
>> >> > conne
>> >> >ctor.
>> >> >
>> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> >> > work
>> >> > with any multi-device conf
>> >> > igurat
>> >> > ions.
>> >> >
>> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> >> > stays
>> >> > high
>> >> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> >> > the
>> >> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >
>> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> to
>> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset.
>> >> > He wo
>> >> >uld know best about using the C90.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Mike"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> > suggested
>> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> > 4000x
>> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
>> >> > ommuni
>> >> > cates with the Phatbox.
>> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> >> since
>> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> > <
>> >> > BR>>
>> >> >; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
>> to
>> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt
>> >> > Drall
>> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> >> > need*
>> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> coding
>> >> >
>> >> > BR
>> >> > ; and what not might be different depending on
>> >> > the ve
>> >> >rsion of cable you have.
>> >> > The
>> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
>> >> > little
>> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >
>> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.m
>> >> > atroni
>> >> > cs.com/xdp
>> >> > 4000x/
>> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> > different.
>> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
>> >> > are (u
>> >> >pgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt Drall
>> >> > e
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >> >
>> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>> a
>> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> have
>> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>> >> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >
>> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> > y conn
>> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >
>> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> > c
>> >> > onfigu
>> >> >rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> >> > work
>> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >
>> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
>> >> > t is a
>> >> > n input. It is used for
>> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
>> >> > the
>> >> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >
>> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> >> > sho
>> >> > uld th
>> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Mike"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > BR
>> >> > ;
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G
>> >> > Dralle
>> >> > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ==================================================================
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ;
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > g
>> >> > t;
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > matron
>> >> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
>> >> > A | 94
>> >> >551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > > QUOTE>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, short
>> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
>> itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
>> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
>> >
>> >Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up
>> fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
>> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
PB
>> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
>> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
>> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
>> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
>> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
>> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
>> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
>> >XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
>> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear,
>> C90 only sees the PB.
>> >
>> >Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
>> system without the PB.
>> >
>> >Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
>> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
>> sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn
a
>> thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem
>> is...lol
>> >
>> >Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
>> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
>> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
>> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original PBcable
>> from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was
>> made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
>> made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
were
>> made before the modification was put in place.
>> >
>> >I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
>> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
>> Ahhhh!
>> >
>> >
>> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
>> > resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
>> > unless you miss wire something... :-)
>> >
>> > The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
on
>> > the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
>> a
>> > class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
>> > examples:
>> >
>> > CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
>> > MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
>> > Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
>> > Processors: 210, 4000x
>> > , inte
>> >rnal Bass/Treble
>> >
>> > On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
>> > device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
>> > Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
>> > particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
>> > (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
>> >
>> > An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
>> powered
>> > up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
>> > device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
>> > sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus address
>> > negotiation.
>> >
>> > The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
>> > closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
>> > asical
>> >ly what
>> > happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
>> connectivity
>> > to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
>> > the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
>> so
>> > negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
>> >
>> > The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
>> Changer
>> > class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
>> > the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
>> >
>> > That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
the
>> > 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I wanted
>> > to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
>> to
>> > figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
>> > addressing that way, but I didn't really g
>> > et an
>> >answer back. I've written an
>> > embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
>> > microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
>> > compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
>> surly
>> > Phatbox could.
>> >
>> > If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
>> > two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
>> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
>> did
>> > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>> >
>> > So you don't think the reset line in yo
>> > ur dia
>> >gram or a higher value resistor
>> > could be the problem, huh?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
>> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
>> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
>> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
>> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
>> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
>> > rote:
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
>> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
>> > modification
>> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
>> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
>> > working:
>> >
>> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
>> > job
>> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
>> > the
>> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
>> > because
>> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
>> > i
>> > f that
>> > would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
>> > directly connected to the head unit?
>> >
>> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
>> > whenever
>> > it's
>> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> > controlled since it
>> > is pl
>> >ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
>> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >
>> > sugge
>> >sted
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
>> > my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> > Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> > since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
>> > willing
>> > to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> > someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>> > I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> > &
>> > gt; &g
>> >t;
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
>> > some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> > *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
>> > color
>> > coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> > have.
>> > The
>> >&
>> > gt; &g
>> >t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
>> > interpolate
>> > a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > &
>> > gt; Us
>> >e the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>> > using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> > xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> > PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> > when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > &g
>> > t;
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> > connect
>> > a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
>> > I
>> > have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
>> > on
>> > the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
>> > unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > co
>> > nfigur
>> >ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> > will
>> > work
>> > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
>> > for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> > signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
>> > when
>> > is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> > PhatBox
>> > should the
>> > n forc
>> >e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
>> > listen
>> > to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > <
>> >BR>
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
>> > my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
>> > Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> > since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
>> > willing
>> > to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> > so
>> > meone
>> >
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>> > I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
>> > some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> > *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> > >
>> > ;
>> >coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> > have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
>> > interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.m
>> > atroni
>> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> > >
>> > ;
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>> > using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> > xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> > PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> > when:
>> >
>> > >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> > connect a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
>> > I
>> > have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> > y conn
>> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
>> > unit.
>> >
>> > Firmw
>> >are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> > will
>> > work
>> > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
>> > for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> > signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
>> > when
>> > is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> >
>> > &g
>> >t; PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
>> > listen
>> > to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> > BR
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> > &g
>> > t; >
>> >;
>> >
>> >
>> > ==================================================================
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> > afterwards, all to no avail. So f
>> > rustra
>> >ting, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> > there,
>> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
>> > Phatbox
>> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 0
>> > 7:27 P
>> >M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> > Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> > since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there
>> > with
>> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
>> > hat > >R> someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> > coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> > have.
>> > The
>> >
>> > &
>> >gt; links are for reference only and you might find
>> > you n
>> > eed to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
>> > If yo
>> >u are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> > xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> > PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > g
>> > t;
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>> > a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> > have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (So
>> > nyCabl
>> >e5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> > with any multi-device conf
>> > igurat
>> > ions.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
>> >
>> >&
>> >gt; is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> > PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> > to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >
>> >
>> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
>> > Produc
>> >ts For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
>> > Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> > since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
>> > to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> > someone
>> >
>> > wouldn
>> >'t mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt
>> > Drall
>> > e dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> > coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> > have.
>> > &g
>> > t;
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.m
>> > atroni
>> > cs.com/xdp
>> > 4000x/
>> > SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> > >
>> > ;
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> > xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> > PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>> > a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> > have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>> > >
>> > ;
>> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> > y conn
>> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
>> > PhatB
>> >ox has trouble knowing when
>> > is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> > PhatBox
>> > sho
>> > uld th
>> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> > BR
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > >
>> > ;
>> >http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ==================================================================
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> > g
>> > t;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What do you know abou
>> > t the
>> >reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
>> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
>> > themodification
>> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
>> > me
>> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
>> > working:
>> >
>> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
>> > job
>> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
>> > the
>> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
>> > because
>> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
>> > if
>> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
>> > directly
>> > connected to the head unit?
>> > >
>> > ;
>> >
>> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
>> > it's
>> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
>> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >
>> > -
>> > ------
>> >------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
>> > he Son
>> > y Phatbox firmware?
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> > Phatbox.
>> >
>> > Still
>> > wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> > since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >
>> > ;
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > &g
>> > t; inf
>> >ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> > coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > Wha
>> > t Matt
>> > Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message
>> > from M
>> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>> > a
>> >&g
>> > t; >
>> >; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> > have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> >
>> > g
>> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> >
>> > a
>> >rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> > to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Drall
>> > e | Ma
>> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
>> > @matro
>> >nics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
>> > Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> > since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> <
>> > BR>>
>> >;
>> >
>> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>> > I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> > coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> > The
>> >
>> >&g
>> >t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin
>> > numbe
>> > rs and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.m
>> > atroni
>> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>>
>> > >
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Fo
>> > r refe
>> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>> > a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> > have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >
>> > &
>> >gt; y conn
>> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> >
>> > gt; g
>> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> > >
>> > ;
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> > to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> > BR
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
>> > 94551
>> >
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ==========================================
>> > ======
>> >==================
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> > there,
>> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>> > pl
>> > ugged
>> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> >&
>> > gt; &g
>> >t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
>> > Phatbox
>> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soo
>> > n as t
>> >he Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> > Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
>> > s inst
>> > ead of 4.7k since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there
>> > with
>> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> >- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> > coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > links are
>> > for re
>> > ference only and you might find
>> > you n
>> > eed to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.c
>> > om/xdp
>> >4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > g
>> > t;
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> > when:
>> >
>> >
>> > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
>> > The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>> > a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> > have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > wor
>> > k
>> >
>> > with any multi-device conf
>> > igurat
>> > ions.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays
>> > high
>> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> > to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> > &g
>> >t;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >
>> >
>> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
>> > ommuni
>> > cates with the Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> >
>> > s
>> >ince
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt
>> > Drall
>> > e dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> > *will
>> >
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> > coding
>> >
>> > BR
>> > ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> > have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.m
>> > atroni
>> > cs.com/xdp
>> > 4000x/
>> > SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > &g
>> >t;
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Drall
>> > e
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>> >
>> >&
>> >gt; a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> > have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> > y conn
>> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
>> > t is a
>> >>
>> > ;
>> > n input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > sho
>> > uld th
>> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> > BR
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >
>> >&g
>> >t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ==================================================================
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> > g
>> > t;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > matron
>> >
>> >&
>> >gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
>> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
>> did
>> > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>> >
>> > So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
>> > could be the problem, huh?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt
>> > Drall
>> >e dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
>> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
>> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
>> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
>> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
>> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > What do you kn
>> > ow abo
>> > ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
>> >
>> > o
>> >nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
>> > modification
>> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
>> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
>> > working:
>> >
>> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
>> job
>> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
>> > the
>> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
>> because
>> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
>> > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
>> > directly connected to the head unit?
>> >
>> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message -----------
>> >&
>> > gt; &g
>> >t; --- > > R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
>> > it's
>> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
>> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > Are you running the 7.0 version
>> > of the
>> > Sony Phatbox firmware? > > R>
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> > Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> > since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
>> > to
>> >
>> > gt;
>> > ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
>> > able d
>> >irect from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> > *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> > coding
>> > and what
>> > not mi
>> > ght be different depending on the version of cable you
>> > have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
>> > a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Mat
>> > t Foun
>> >d on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your in
>> > stalla
>> > tion.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>> > using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> > xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> > PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> > when:
>> >
>> > "We changed
>> > cable
>> >manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> > connect
>> > a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
>> > orang
>> > e (ground) wires. I
>> > have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
>> > the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> > will
>> > work
>> > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
>> > t is a
>> >n input. It is used
>> > for
>> > g
>> > t;
>> > ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> > signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
>> > is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> > PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
>> > listen
>> > to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > gt; Ma
>> > tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
>> > il
>> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
>> > Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> > since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> >
>> > gt; g
>> > t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
>> > to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >
>> > runnin
>> >g out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
>> > wire.
>> > Note the color
>> > coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> > have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http:/
>> > /www.m
>> >atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.m
>> > atroni
>> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > d
>> > iffere
>> > nt.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> > xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> > PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> > when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
>> > his s
>> >ystem. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> > connect a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
>> > orang
>> > e (ground) wires. I
>> > have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> > y conn
>> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> > will
>> > work
>> > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> >
>> >
>> >a
>> > rbitra
>> > tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> > signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
>> > is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> > PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> > to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> > BR
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
>> > ore |
>> > CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
>> > Aircra
>> >ft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ==================================================================
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
>> > a comp
>> > lete system reset
>> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> > there,
>> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
>> > shut d
>> >own when the
>> > Phatbox
>> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
>> > by: bo
>> > bbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> > Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resist
>> > or sho
>> >uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> > since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there
>> > with
>> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original me
>> > ssage
>> > --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
>> > Note
>> >the color coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find
>> > you n
>> > eed to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> > g
>> > t;
>> > ;
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to h
>> > ave op
>> >erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > g
>> > t;
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections
>> > are th
>> > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware
>> > 5.00
>> >and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> > with any multi-device conf
>> > igurat
>> > ions.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initializatio
>> > n. Wit
>> > hout the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> >&g
>> > t; >
>> >;
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >
>> >
>> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > gt; > > R
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> > since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > pa
>> > rt wit
>> >h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt
>> > BR
>> > ; Drall
>> > e dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> >
>> >&
>> >gt; little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> >
>> > What P
>> > hatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.m
>> > atroni
>> > cs.com/xdp
>> > 4000x/
>> > SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > <
>> > BR>>
>> >; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections
>> > are th
>> > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> > y conn
>> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> > with any multi-devi
>> > ce con
>> >figurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device i
>> > nitial
>> > ization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > sho
>> > uld th
>> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> > BR
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
>> > Email
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> > gt; g
>> > t;
>> >
>> >
>> > ==================================================================
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> > g
>> > t;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
>> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
>> themodification
>> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
>> >>
>> > ; me <
>> >BR> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
>> > not wo
>> > rking:
>> >
>> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
>> job
>> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
>> > the
>> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
>> because
>> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
>> > if
>> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
>> > directly
>> > connected to the head unit?
>> >
>> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > &g
>> > t; Yes
>> >, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> >
>> > gt; g
>> > t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
>> > it's
>> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
>> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
>> > he Son
>> > y Phatbox firmware?
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
>> > wrote
>> >:
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and
>> > the pr
>> > oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> > Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> > since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >
>> > ;
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> > &
>> > gt; > >R> -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
>> > ue. Be
>> > low are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> > coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > Wha
>> > t Matt
>> > Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> >&
>> >gt;
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that m
>> > atches
>> > best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message
>> > from M
>> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
>> > t
>> >
>> > a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> > have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
>> > can b
>> > e seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> >
>> > g
>> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at
>> > all ti
>> >mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> > to
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Drall
>> > e | Ma
>> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >
>> > sugge
>> >sted
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> > since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
>> > ation.
>> >
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> >
>> >
>> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> > &
>> > gt; > >R>
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> > coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
>> > le you
>> > have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin
>> > numbe
>> > rs and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.m
>> > atroni
>> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> >
>> > Depend
>> >ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
>> > ough P
>> > hatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Fo
>> > r refe
>> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description
>> > of the
>> > connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> > y conn
>> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
>> > 6.00 a
>> > nd an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> >
>> > gt; g
>> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > &g
>> > t; Aft
>> >er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> > BR
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
>> > BR
>> > ; 94551
>> >
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ==================================================================
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >>
>> > ;
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> > there,
>> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>> >
>> > p
>> > l
>> > ugged
>> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
>> > Phatbox
>> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message p
>> > osted
>> >by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> >
>> > g
>> > t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> > Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
>> > s inst
>> > ead of 4.7k since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there
>> > with
>> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
>> > illing
>> > to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on ho
>> > w the
>> > Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > links are
>> > for re
>> > ference only and you might find <
>> > BR>>
>> >; you n
>> > eed to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > g
>> >> t;
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > gt; > > R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox
>> > conne
>> > ctor.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> >
>> >
>> >with any multi-device conf
>> > igurat
>> > ions.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays
>> > high
>> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset.
>> > He wo
>> > uld know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-6
>> > 06-628
>> >1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> >
>> >
>> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
>> > ommuni
>> > cates with the Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> > since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > BR
>> > ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a
>> > cable
>> > direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt
>> > Drall
>> > e dralle@matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>> >
>> > BR
>> > ; and what not might be different depending on
>> > the ve
>> > rsion of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers
>> > and w
>> >hat not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.m
>> > atroni
>> > cs.com/xdp
>> > 4000x/
>> > SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
>> > are (u
>> > pgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Drall
>> > e
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a messag
>> > e from
>> > Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> > y conn
>> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > c
>> > onfigu
>> > rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >>
>> > ;
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
>> > t is a
>> > n input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > sho
>> > uld th
>> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> > BR
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G
>> > Dralle
>> > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
>> > om Ema
>> >il
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ==================================================================
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> > g
>> > t;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > matron
>> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
>> > A | 94
>> > 551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.co
>> > m Emai
>> >l
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > > QUOTE
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ist/se
>> >arch
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Ok, I went ahead andclipped thereset wire and nowthe PBactually works in my system
without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my processor
is not accepting analog audio at the analog changerinput any longer (and it
used to just fine)... Idid testand there is audio at the outputs of the PB, but
it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
>
>I threw my cd changerback in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer either...
(I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always used the
digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
>
>I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on since
those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my system,
but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and I
don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
>
>So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially convinced
that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said before
it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken inside of
my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check everything
out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
>
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
> Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that line
> down and never letting anyone else init.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, short
> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
it
> split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
>
> Phatbox (PB) plugged directly int
> o the
>Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
> up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30: PB
> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear,
> C90 only sees the PB.
>
>&
> gt; &g
>t;Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
> system without the PB.
>
> Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut down
> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
> besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
> thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem
> is...lol
>
> Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
> cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
it
> was made by Phatnoise) or age o
> f the
>cable so I don't know how recent it has
> been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
> were made before the modification was put in place.
>
> I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> Ahhhh!
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> unless you miss wire something... :-)
>
> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger sla
> ve <BR
>> on
> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
> a
> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> some
> examples:
>
> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
>
> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (lo
> w nibb
>le).
>
> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> powered
> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> address
> negotiation.
>
> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> The
> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> connectivity
> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On
> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
> so
>>
> ;
> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
>
> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> Changer
> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> into
> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
>
> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> wanted
> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
> to
> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written an
> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> microco
> ntroll
>er and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> surly
> Phatbox could.
>
> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
> my
> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> &g
> t; >
>;So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you pr
> omise
>on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the <B
> R>
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> &g
> t; >
>;
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> --
> XDP400
>0X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers
> down,
>the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
>
> -
>------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the versi
> on of
>cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pd
> f
>
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
> &
> gt; &g
>t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> &g
> t; >
>;
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
> seen
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the
> bus m
>aster signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> &g
> t; >
>; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> <
> BR>>
>;
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're <B
> R>
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> s
> ome <B
>R> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
> &
> gt;>
>;
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
>
> &
>gt; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> &g
> t; >
>; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> configuration
> s. I'm
> not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot
> and t
>hen shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@m
> atroni
>cs.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air
> craft
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> &
> gt;>
>; -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in <B
>R> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> &g
> t;
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might f
> ind <B
>R> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> &g
> t;
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>
> conne
>ct
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
>
>&g
>t; igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know be
> st abo
>ut using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
> &
>gt; suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
>
> &
>gt; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different dependi
> ng on
>the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> >
> ;
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We
> chang
>ed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable w
> orks w
>ith simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho <B
> R>
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> &
> gt; <B
>R>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> &
> gt;>
>; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a fir
> mware
>update? Im not
> sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shut
> s down
>
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At
> 07:27
>PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> par
> t with
> for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor be
> tween
>ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
>&
>gt; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We chang
> ed cab
>le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if f
> irmwar
>e 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> &g
> t;
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as <B
>R> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> >
> ;
>I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> T
> he <BR
>> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> >
> ;
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> co
> nnect
>
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
>
> &g
> t; >
>; gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> &
> gt; <B
>R> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> >
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> pl
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the
> Phatb
>ox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> ;
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> so
> meone
>
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending
> on the
> version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little <B
> R>
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> system. <B
> R>
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
>
> &
>gt; work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> &g
> t;
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> s
> uggest
>ed
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody hel
> p? <BR
>>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>>
> ;
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >
> ;
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are t
> he sam
>e but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> >
> ;
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regardi
> ng pus
>hing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> &
>gt;
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
> ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Bo
> x 347
>| Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
>
> -- XDP
>4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you kn
>
>
>ow abo
> ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask
> Matt.
>Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message -----------
> --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the <
> BR>>
>; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version
> of the
> Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
>
>powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
>
> gt;
> ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted b
> y: Mat
>t Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what
> not mi
> ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com
> /xdp40
>00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your in
> stalla
> tion.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For r
> eferen
>ce, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an
> unmod
>ified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> g
> t;
> ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few
> second
>s. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> gt; Ma
> tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon
> as th
>e Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>
> gt; g
> t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@
> matron
>ics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> wire.
> Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
> <
> BR>>
>; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> d
> iffere
> nt.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle <BR
> >
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when direc
> tly co
>nnected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> a
> rbitra
> tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
>en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> ore |
> CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
> <
> BR>>
>;
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> a comp
> lete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
>
> Phatb
>ox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> by: bo
> bbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>
> 4000x
>
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original me
> ssage
> --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X
> -List
>message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> ;
>g
> t;
> ;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>
> work <
>BR> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initializatio
> n. Wit
> hout the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> &
>gt;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> gt; R
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k <B
> R>
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> BR
> ; Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information
> on how
> the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> What P
> hatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> >
> ;
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors
> are di
>fferent. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
> ed for
>
> arbitration during device i
> nitial
> ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermor
> e | CA
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> gt; g
> t;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
> <B
> R>
>
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not wo
> rking:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update
> ? Im n
>ot
> sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>
> gt; g
> t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
>
> &
>gt; plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister ins
> talled
> as
> suggested
> and
> the pr
> oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> <BR
> >
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> ue. Be
> low are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
>
> &
>gt; Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that m
> atches
> best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> >
> ;
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> can b
> e seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when dir
> ectly
>connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> &g
> t; >
>; to
>
>
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>
> &
>gt; 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> ation.
>
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> <
>BR> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> le you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
>>
> ;
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> ough P
> hatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
>
> &g
>t; Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with
> simpl
>e multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> 6.00 a
> nd an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He
> would
>know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> BR
> ; 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Live
> rmore
>| CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>
> p
> l
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know
> what
>to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
> g
> t; powers down, the system reset
> s and
>the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> <
> BR>>
>; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on ho
> w the
> Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>>
> ;
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
>
> gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoi
> se way
> back when:
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox
> conne
> ctor.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> unmod
>ified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset.
> He wo
> uld know best about using the C90.
> &g
> t; <BR
>> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Ph
> atbox.
>
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> BR
> ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> >
> ; Okay
>, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on
> the ve
> rsion of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>&
> gt; &g
>t;
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> are (u
> pgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Wo
> o at P
>hatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> c
> onfigu
>
> ra
>tions. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> <
> BR>>
>; Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G
> Dralle
> | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-100
> 1 V |
>925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
> ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> A | 94
> 551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> QUOTE
>
>
>
> &
>gt;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, short
> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
>
> Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers up
> fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C
> 30: PB
>
> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear,
> C90 only sees the PB.
>
> Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into the
> system without the PB.
>
> Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbo
> x is s
>hut down
> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
> sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn
a
> thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem
> is...lol
>
> Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original PBcable
> from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was
> made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
> made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that were
> made before the modification was put in place.
>
>&g
> t; >
>;I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> Ahhhh!
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> unless you miss wire something... :-)
>
> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
on
> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
> a
> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with some
> examples: <B
> R>
>
> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> Processors: 210, 4000x
> , inte
> rnal Bass/Treble
>
> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
>
> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> powered
> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> device) from the last time it started, it w
> ill re
>set the bus (both a protocol
> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus address
> negotiation.
>
> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus. The
> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
> asical
> ly what
> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> connectivity
> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On
> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
> so
> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
>
> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> Changer
> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged into
> the HU or is on Port 1 of th
> e firs
>t XA-C30 in the chain.
>
> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I wanted
> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
> to
> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> addressing that way, but I didn't really g
> et an
> answer back. I've written an
> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> surly
> Phatbox could.
>
> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
> two installations to see if the
> probl
>em is the Phatbox or something else.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in yo
> ur dia
> gram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my insta
> llatio
>ns, I am plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
> rote:
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> me wrote after I
> contac
>ted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> i
> f that
> would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
>
> Yes, a
>nd I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it
> is pl
> ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: b
> obbybr
>aun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
> sugge
> sted
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
>
> g
>t; g
> t;
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
>
> gt; g
> t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his ca
> ble: <
>BR>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
>
> gt; Us
> e the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable ma
> nufact
>urers since Matt purchased his system. The
> g
> t;
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> co
> nfigur
> ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
>&
>gt;
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should the
> n forc
> e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606
> -6281
>F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> BR
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> so
> meone
>
> woul
> dn't m
>ind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>
> ;
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate a
> little
> >
> ; with
> respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> ;
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
>rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
>
> Firmw
> are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> unmod
>ified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>
> g
> t; PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
> &
> gt; <B
>R>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
> g
> t;
> ;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So f
> rustra
> ting, the C9
> 0 know
>s the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 0
> 7:27 P
> M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as <BR
>> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
> hat <B
> R someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dra
> lle <B
>R>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
>
>
> gt; links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
>
>Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
> If yo
> u are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> >
> ; have
>
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (So
> nyCabl
> e5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
>
>
> gt; is
> >
> ; the
>
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> Produc
> ts For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still t
> here..
>. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
>
> wouldn
> 't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> <
>BR> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> g
> t;
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
> <BR
> >
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> ;
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
>
> attach
>ed a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>
> ;
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
> PhatB
> ox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
>
> right
>time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
> ;
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you know abou
> t the
> reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing w
> as tha
>t in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> ;
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whe
> never
>
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -
> ------
> ------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my <B
>R> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
>
> Still
> wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>
>&g
>t; g
> t; inf
> ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different. <BR
> >
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> g
> t;
> ; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>&g
> t; >
>;
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>
> a
> rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >
> ; shou
>ld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
> @matro
> nics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> &
> gt; St
>ill wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
> BR
> ;
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>
> &
>gt; need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
>
> g
> t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
> Are y
>ou using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>
>
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>
>
>&g
> t; >
>;gt; y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> ;
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a r
> eset a
>fter a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==========================================
> ======
> ==================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics
> .com/
>WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> pl
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>
> gt; g
> t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of
> the S
>ony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soo
> n as t
> he Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
>
>wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
>
> -
> - XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and
> pin nu
>mbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.c
> om/xdp
> 4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>>
> ;
> when:
>
>
> gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> wor
> k
>
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> io
> ns. <B
>R>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>
> s
> ince
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> r
>unning out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
>
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> &
> gt; Wh
>at Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> g
> t;
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise wa
> y back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>
>
> gt; a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
>&g
> t; >
>; The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
>
> ;
> n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> g
> t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-60
> 6-6281
> F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
>
>
> gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V |
> 925-60
>6-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
> So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
> &g
> t; the
> Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> What do you kn
> ow abo
> ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
>
> o
> nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> me wrote after I contac
> ted hi
>m the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message -----------
>
> gt; g
> t; --- <B
> R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>>
> ;
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version
> of the
> Sony Phatbox firmware? <B
> R
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4
> 000X-L
>ist message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
>
> gt;
> ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
> able d
> irect from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
>&g
> t; >
>; -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what
> not mi
> ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Mat
> t Foun
> d on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/U
> nilink
>-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your in
> stalla
> tion.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed
> cable
> manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>
>&g
>t; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
> n input. It is used <
> BR>>
>; for
> g
> t;
> ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> gt; Ma
> tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
> il
> h
> ttp://
>www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>
> gt; g
> t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> runnin
>>
> ;
>g out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> wire.
> Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http:
> /
>
> /www.m
> atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> d
> iffere
> nt.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable man
> ufactu
>rers since Matt purchased
> his s
> ystem. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> orang
> e (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with th
> e bus
>master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>
>
> a
> rbitra
> tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> ore |
> CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@
> matron
>ics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> Aircra
> ft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> a comp
> lete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it
> odd t
>hat the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
> shut d
> own when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> by: bo
> bbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x <BR
> >
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resist
> or sho
> uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original me
> ssage
> --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>
>&
>gt; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
> Note
> the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> g
> t;
> ;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use t
> he dra
>wing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to h
> ave op
> erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The
> numbe
>rs can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware
> 5.00
> and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initializatio
> n. Wit
> hout the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> &g
> t; sho
>uld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> g
> t;
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> gt; <B
> R
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox
> .
>
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> pa
> rt wit
> h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> BR
> ; Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will <
> BR>>
>; need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
>
> gt; little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> What P
> hatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> BR
> ; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections
> are th
> e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They c
> an be
>seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-devi
> ce con
> figurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device i
> nitial
> ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
> wever,
> you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
> Email
>
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> gt; g
> t;
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> Aircr
>aft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
>
>
> What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
>
> ; me
> BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not wo
> rking:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware up
> date?
>Im not sure
> if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> g
> t; Yes
> , and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>
> gt; g
> t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x
> which
>is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
> y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
> wrote
> :
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and
> the pr
> oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >
> ; Phat
>box.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> gt; <B
> R -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> ue. Be
> low are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *wil
> l
>
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
>
> gt;
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that m
> atches
> best your installation.
>
>
>
>Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
> ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
> t
>
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> can b <B
> R>
> e seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at
> all ti
> mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should li
> sten <
>BR> to
>
>
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
> tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
> sugge
> sted
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k oh
> ms ins
>tead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> ation.
>
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
>
> gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> gt; <B
> R
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor
> betwe
>en ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> le you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
> rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
>
> Depend
> ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Son
> y firm
>ware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> ough P
> hatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
> rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description
> of the
> connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
>&g
> t; >
>; PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> 6.00 a
> nd an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> gt; g
> t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> g
> t; Aft
> er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, yo
> u shou
>ld listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> BR
> ; 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>
> ;
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produ
> cts Fo
>r Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>
> p
> l
> ugged
> in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message p
> osted
> by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
> Are you running the 7.0 vers
> ion of
> the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
>
> g
> t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
> ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
> illing
> to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bo
> ttom o
>f a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on ho
> w the
> Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
> ference only and you might find
> BR
> ; you n
> eed
> to int
>erpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
>
>
> gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>&g
>t;
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> gt; <B
> R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox
> conne
> ctor.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
>
>
>&
>gt; with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays
> high
> (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset.
> He wo
> uld know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001
> V | 92
>5-6
> 06-628
> 1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
> cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> BR
> ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn'
> t mind
> me using to get myself a
> cable
> direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle@matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>
> BR
> ; and what not might be different depending on
> the ve
> rsion of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
> littl
>e
> with respect to colors and pin numbers
> and w
> hat not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> are (u
> pgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
>
> e
>
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a messag
> e from
> Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons <B
> R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
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> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
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>
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--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, I've thought about all that already, but here is the thing, I can't get any
audio to be recognized by the 4000x through it's Analog Changer Inputs. The
only reason I know it sounds bad is because I hooked a set of headphones up to
the phatbox to test if any audio was present and when I listened it sounded
horrible, (if not mono). I listened to the same exact mp3 file that was being
played on the PB back inside on my computer through the same headset using the
crappy non 24bit burr brown outputs of my laptop and it sounded 1000x more full
and realistic, so that worries me. And the fact that I can't get any audio
to play back when plugged into the analog changer inputs worries me even more,
I really hope this thing didn't somehow damage my 4000x, there is no way I
want to send it off to Sony and let them hack away at it like they did with my
last C90 I sent them...
I have done a full reset from the C90 and still nothing. I'll test out my other
equipment that I know was working beforehand tomorrow and then I'll know more,
but that still doesn't change the issue with the terrible sound output of the
PB.
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Great news!
>
> Couple of things come to mind with respect to your new audio woes. Digital vs
> Analog input on the 4000x is only negotiated on reset (button on C90), so with
> all the plugging around, make sure that you set things up like you want, then
> press that reset button.
>
> Second, the "tinny" sound might be because you've selected an unprogrammed
> EQ/Xover setting on the 4000x. The default setting has some of the Xover
> settings off or highly attenuated.
>
> Plug your PC back into the 4000x and double check all of your EQ and XO memory
> locations, and then make sure you select the right ones on the HU.
>
> Almost there!
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:13 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> >Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works in
my
> system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
> processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any longer
> (and it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs of
> the PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
> >
> >I threw my cd changer back in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
> from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
> either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always used
> the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
> >
> >I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
> since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
> system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
I
> don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
> >
> >So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
> convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
> before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken inside
> of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
> everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
> >
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: Matt Dralle
> >
> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >>
> >> Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
> line
> >> down and never letting anyone else init.
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >> At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> >> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> >Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> short
> >> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> it
> >> split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
> >> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
> >> >
> >> >Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
> >> up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
> PB
> >> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
> PB.
> >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> >> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> >> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> >> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
XM
> >> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> >> >XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input
of
> >> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> disappear,
> >> C90 only sees the PB.
> >> >
> >> >Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
> the
> >> system without the PB.
> >> >
> >> >Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
> down
> >> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
> >> besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn
a
> >> thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> problem
> >> is...lol
> >> >
> >> >Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> >> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
> to
> >> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> >> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
> >> cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
> it
> >> was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
> >> been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
> that
> >> were made before the modification was put in place.
> >> >
> >> >I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> >> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> >> Ahhhh!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> >> >> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
> Well,
> >> >> unless you miss wire something... :-)
> >> >>
> >> >> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
> slave
> >> on
> >> >> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
> has
> >> a
> >> >> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> >> some
> >> >> examples:
> >> >>
> >> >> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> >> >> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> >> >> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> >> >> Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
> >> >>
> >> >> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
> each
> >> >> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
> "I'm
> >> >> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> >> >> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> >> >> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
> >> >>
> >> >> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> >> powered
> >> >> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> >> >> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
> protocol
> >> >> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> >> address
> >> >> negotiation.
> >> >>
> >> >> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> >> The
> >> >> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
> >> >> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> >> connectivity
> >> >> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the
HU.
> On
> >> >> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
> stream,
> >> so
> >> >> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
> >> >>
> >> >> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> >> Changer
> >> >> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> >> into
> >> >> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
> >> >>
> >> >> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
> the
> >> >> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> >> wanted
> >> >> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
> while
> >> to
> >> >> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> >> >> addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written
> an
> >> >> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> >> >> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> >> >> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> >> surly
> >> >> Phatbox could.
> >> >>
> >> >> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
> on
> >> my
> >> >> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
> >> >>
> >> >> Matt
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> >> >> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
> tried
> >> >> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
> I
> >> did
> >> >> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> resistor
> >> >> could be the problem, huh?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> >> plugging
> >> >> >> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> >> >> >> C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> >> Phatbox
> >> >> >> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
> but
> >> I
> >> >> >> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning
you
> a
> >> >> >> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Matt
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
> is
> >> the
> >> >> >> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> >> >> modification
> >> >> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> unit
> >> for
> >> >> >> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> not
> >> >> >> working:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should
do
> >> the
> >> >> job
> >> >> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> that
> >> in
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> >> >> because
> >> >> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
> not
> >> sure
> >> >> >> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> when
> >> >> >> directly connected to the head unit?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> >From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> >> reset
> >> >> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> Phatbox
> >> is
> >> >> >> >> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> >> >> whenever
> >> >> >> it's
> >> >> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
> and
> >> >> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
> when
> >> the
> >> >> >> >> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Matt
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > >--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
> installed
> >> as
> >> >> >> >> suggested
> >> >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> plugged
> >> in
> >> >> my
> >> >> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> the
> >> >> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
> of
> >> 4.7k
> >> >> >> since
> >> >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> >> >> willing
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> that
> >> >> someone
> >> >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> >> >> I'm
> >> >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >> --> XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
> to
> >> >> some
> >> >> >> >> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> >> you
> >> >> >> *will
> >> >> >> >> > need*
> >> >> >> >> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
> the
> >> >> color
> >> >> >> >> coding
> >> >> >> >> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of
> cable
> >> you
> >> >> >> have.
> >> >> >> >> > The
> >> >> >> >> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> >> >> interpolate
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> > little
> >> >> >> >> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be
a
> >> little
> >> >> >> >> > different.
> >> >> >> >> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If
you
> >> are
> >> >> >> using
> >> >> >> >> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
> the
> >> >> >> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> >> >> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> >> >> PhatManager).
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise
way
> >> back
> >> >> >> when:
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> system.
> >> The
> >> >> >> >> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
> to
> >> >> >> connect
> >> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> >> wires.
> >> >> I
> >> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> >> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can
be
> >> seen
> >> >> on
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> > >> PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
> head
> >> >> unit.
> >> >> >> >> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> >> multi-device
> >> >> >> >> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> >> cable
> >> >> >> will
> >> >> >> >> > work
> >> >> >> >> > >> with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It
> is
> >> used
> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> >> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> >> the
> >> >> >> signal
> >> >> >> >> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> >> knowing
> >> >> when
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > >> right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> >> The
> >> >> >> PhatBox
> >> >> >> >> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
> should
> >> >> >> listen
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using
> the
> >> C90.
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> Regards,
> >> >> >> >> > >> Mike"
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> >> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
> installed
> >> as
> >> >> >> >> suggested
> >> >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
> plugged
> >> in
> >> >> my
> >> >> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
> the
> >> >> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
> of
> >> 4.7k
> >> >> >> since
> >> >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> >> >> willing
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
> that
> >> >> someone
> >> >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> >> >> I'm
> >> >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
> to
> >> >> some
> >> >> >> >> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> >> >> *will
> >> >> >> >> > need*
> >> >> >> >> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
the
> >> color
> >> >> >> >> coding
> >> >> >> >> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of
> cable
> >> you
> >> >> >> have.
> >> >> >> >> > The
> >> >> >> >> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> >> >> interpolate a
> >> >> >> >> > little
> >> >> >> >> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > http://www.m
> >> >> >> >> > > atroni
> >> >> >> >> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be
a
> >> little
> >> >> >> >> > different.
> >> >> >> >> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> are
> >> >> using
> >> >> >> >> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
the
> >> >> >> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> >> >> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> >> >> PhatManager).
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> >> back
> >> >> >> when:
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> >> The
> >> >> >> >> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
> to
> >> >> >> connect a
> >> >> >> >> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> >> wires.
> >> >> I
> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> >> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> >> >> >> > > y conn
> >> >> >> >> > >ector. They can be seen on the
> >> >> >> >> > > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
> head
> >> >> unit.
> >> >> >> >> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> >> multi-device
> >> >> >> >> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> >> cable
> >> >> >> will
> >> >> >> >> > work
> >> >> >> >> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It
is
> >> used
> >> >> for
> >> >> >> >> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> the
> >> >> >> signal
> >> >> >> >> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> knowing
> >> >> when
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> The
> >> >> >> PhatBox
> >> >> >> >> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
> should
> >> >> listen
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using
the
> >> C90.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Regards,
> >> >> >> >> > > Mike"
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > <
> >> >> >> >> > > BR>>
> >> >> >> >> > >;
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> >> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >==================================================================
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> >> reset
> >> >> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> Phatbox
> >> is
> >> >> >> there,
> >> >> >> >> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> >> it's
> >> >> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
> and
> >> >> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> >> the
> >> >> >> Phatbox
> >> >> >> >> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Matt
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> >> >> >> suggested
> >> >> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> >> my
> >> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
> the
> >> >> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
> >> 4.7k
> >> >> >> since
> >> >> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Anyone out there
> >> >> >> >> with
> >> >> >> >> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> >> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> >> >> someone
> >> >> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> >> I'm
> >> >> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> >> >> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> >> *will
> >> >> >> >> need*
> >> >> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> >> >> coding
> >> >> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> >> >> have.
> >> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find
> >> >> >> >> you n
> >> >> >> >> eed to interpolate a
> >> >> >> >> little
> >> >> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> >> >> >> >> different.
> >> >> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> >> using
> >> >> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> >> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> >> PhatManager).
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> &g
> >> >> >> >> t;
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> >> when:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
> >> >> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >> connect
> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires. I
> >> >> have
> >> >> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> >> >> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> >> the
> >> >> >> >> PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> >> >> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> >> will
> >> >> >> >> work
> >> >> >> >> with any multi-device conf
> >> >> >> >> igurat
> >> >> >> >> ions.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> >> for
> >> >> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> >> signal
> >> >> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> >> when
> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> >> PhatBox
> >> >> >> >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> >> listen
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> >> >> Mike"
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> &
> >> >> >> >> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> >> >> >> suggested
> >> >> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> >> my
> >> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
the
> >> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
> >> 4.7k
> >> >> >> since
> >> >> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> >> willing
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> >> >> someone
> >> >> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> >> I'm
> >> >> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> >> From: Matt
> >> >> >> >> Drall
> >> >> >> >> e dralle@matronics.com
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> >> >> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> >> *will
> >> >> >> >> need*
> >> >> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> >> >> coding
> >> >> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> >> >> have.
> >> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> >> a
> >> >> >> >> little
> >> >> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> http://www.m
> >> >> >> >> atroni
> >> >> >> >> cs.com/xdp
> >> >> >> >> 4000x/
> >> >> >> >> SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> >> >> >> >> different.
> >> >> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> >> using
> >> >> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> >> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> >> PhatManager).
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> >> when:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
> >> >> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >> connect
> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires. I
> >> >> have
> >> >> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >> >> >> >> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> >> >> >> y conn
> >> >> >> >> ector. They can be seen on the
> >> >> >> >> PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> >> >> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> >> will
> >> >> >> >> work
> >> >> >> >> with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> >> for
> >> >> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> >> signal
> >> >> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> >> when
> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> >> PhatBox
> >> >> >> >> sho
> >> >> >> >> uld th
> >> >> >> >> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
> >> >> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> >> >> Mike"
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> BR
> >> >> >> >> ;
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> ==================================================================
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> &g
> >> >> >> >> t;
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
> is
> >> the
> >> >> >> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> >> >> themodification
> >> >> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> unit
> >> for
> >> >> me
> >> >> >> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> >> >> working:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should
do
> >> the
> >> >> job
> >> >> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
> that
> >> in
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> >> >> because
> >> >> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
> not
> >> sure
> >> >> if
> >> >> >> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> >> >> directly
> >> >> >> connected to the head unit?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> >From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> >> >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> Phatbox
> >> is
> >> >> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> >> whenever
> >> >> >> it's
> >> >> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
> and
> >> >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> >> the
> >> >> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> >> >> >> > he Son
> >> >> >> >y Phatbox firmware?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Matt
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
> >> >> >> > suggested
> >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> >> my
> >> >> >> > 4000x
> >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
> >> >> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> >> >> >> since
> >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> >> to
> >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> >> someone
> >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> >> I'm
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > ;
> >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> >> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> >> *will
> >> >> >> > need*
> >> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> >> >> >> > coding
> >> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
> >> have.
> >> >> >> > The
> >> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> >> a
> >> >> >> > little
> >> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Wha
> >> >> >> > t Matt
> >> >> >> > Found on his cable:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> >> > different.
> >> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> >> using
> >> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> PhatManager).
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > For reference, here is a message
> >> >> >> > from M
> >> >> >> >ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >> connect
> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> >> >> >> > have
> >> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> >> the
> >> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> >> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> >> will
> >> >> >> > work
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > &g
> >> >> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> >> for
> >> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> >> signal
> >> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> >> is
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> PhatBox
> >> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> >> listen
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> >> > Mike"
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Matt G Drall
> >> >> >> > e | Ma
> >> >> >> >tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
> >> >> >> > suggested
> >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> >> my
> >> >> >> > 4000x
> >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> >> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> >> >> >> since
> >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> >> to
> >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> >> someone
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > &
> >> >> >> >gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> >> >> I'm
> >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> >> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> >> *will
> >> >> >> > need*
> >> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> >> >> >> > coding
> >> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
> >> have.
> >> >> >> > The
> >> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> >> a
> >> >> >> > little
> >> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin
> >> >> >> > numbe
> >> >> >> >rs and what not:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > http://www.m
> >> >> >> > atroni
> >> >> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> >> > different.
> >> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> >> using
> >> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> PhatManager).
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Fo
> >> >> >> > r refe
> >> >> >> >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >> connect
> >> >> a
> >> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> >> >> have
> >> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> >> >> > y conn
> >> >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> >> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> >> will
> >> >> >> > work
> >> >> >> > &
> >> >> >> > gt; &g
> >> >> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> >> for
> >> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> >> signal
> >> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> >> is
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> PhatBox
> >> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> >> listen
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> >> > Mike"
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > BR
> >> >> >> > ;
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> >> >> >> > 94551
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> >> >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
> Phatbox
> >> is
> >> >> >> there,
> >> >> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> >> it's
> >> >> >> > pl
> >> >> >> > ugged
> >> >> >> >in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> the
> >> >> >> Phatbox
> >> >> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Matt
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
> >> >> >> suggested
> >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> >> my
> >> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
> >> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> >> >> >> > s inst
> >> >> >> >ead of 4.7k since
> >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Anyone out there
> >> >> >> > with
> >> >> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> >> someone
> >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> >> I'm
> >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> >> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> >> *will
> >> >> >> > need*
> >> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> >> >> coding
> >> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
> >> have.
> >> >> >> > The
> >> >> >> > links are
> >> >> >> > for re
> >> >> >> >ference only and you might find
> >> >> >> > you n
> >> >> >> > eed to interpolate a
> >> >> >> > little
> >> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> >> > different.
> >> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> >> using
> >> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> PhatManager).
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > g
> >> >> >> > t;
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> >> when:
> >> >> >> >&
> >> >> >> > gt; > >R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> >> system.
> >> >> The
> >> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >> connect
> >> >> a
> >> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> >> >> have
> >> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> >> the
> >> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> >> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> >> will
> >> >> >> > work
> >> >> >> > with any multi-device conf
> >> >> >> > igurat
> >> >> >> > ions.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> >> for
> >> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> >> signal
> >> >> >> > stays
> >> >> >> > high
> >> >> >> >(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> PhatBox
> >> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> >> listen
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> >> > Mike"
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
> >> >> >> suggested
> >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> >> my
> >> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> >> >> >> > ommuni
> >> >> >> >cates with the Phatbox.
> >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> >> >> since
> >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> >> to
> >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> >> someone
> >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> >> I'm
> >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> > From: Matt
> >> >> >> > Drall
> >> >> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> >> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> >> *will
> >> >> >> > need*
> >> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> >> >> coding
> >> >> >> <
> >> >> >> > BR>>
> >> >> >> >; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> >> >> have.
> >> >> >> > The
> >> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> >> a
> >> >> >> > little
> >> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > http://www.m
> >> >> >> > atroni
> >> >> >> > cs.com/xdp
> >> >> >> > 4000x/
> >> >> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> >> > different.
> >> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> >> using
> >> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> PhatManager).
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Matt Drall
> >> >> >> > e
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> >> when:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >> connect
> >> >> a
> >> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> >> >> have
> >> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >> >> >> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> >> >> > y conn
> >> >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> >> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> >> will
> >> >> >> > work
> >> >> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> >> >> >> > t is a
> >> >> >> >n input. It is used for
> >> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> >> signal
> >> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> >> is
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> PhatBox
> >> >> >> > sho
> >> >> >> > uld th
> >> >> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> >> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> >> > Mike"
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > BR
> >> >> >> > ;
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > ;
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > g
> >> >> >> > t;
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > matron
> >> >> >> >ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
> tried
> >> >> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
> I
> >> did
> >> >> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> resistor
> >> >> could be the problem, huh?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> >> plugging
> >> >> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> >> >> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> Phatbox
> >> >> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
> but
> >> I
> >> >> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
> a
> >> >> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What do you kn
> >> >> > ow abo
> >> >> >ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> >> >> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> >> >> modification
> >> >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> unit
> >> for
> >> >> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not
> >> >> > working:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> >> job
> >> >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> >> >> the
> >> >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> >> because
> >> >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
> >> sure
> >> >> > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
> when
> >> >> > directly connected to the head unit?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message -----------
> >> >> > --- > >R> From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> >> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> >> >> > it's
> >> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> >> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version
> >> >> > of the
> >> >> > Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> > suggested
> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> >> >> > 4000x
> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> >> > Phatbox.
> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> >> > since
> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > &
> >> >> > gt;>
> >> >> >; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> >> someone
> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> >> >> > *will
> >> >> > need*
> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> >> > coding
> >> >> > and what
> >> >> > not mi
> >> >> >ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> >> >> > have.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > little
> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> > different.
> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your in
> >> >> > stalla
> >> >> >tion.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> >> >> > using
> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> >> > xdp-4000x.
> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> >> > PhatManager).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> >> >> > when:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >> >> > connect
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> >> >> > orang
> >> >> >e (ground) wires. I
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> >> >> > will
> >> >> > work
> >> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > &g
> >> >> > t; >
> >> >> >; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> >> >> > signal
> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> >> > PhatBox
> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> >> >> > listen
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> > Mike"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > &
> >> >> > gt; Ma
> >> >> >tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> > suggested
> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> >> >> > 4000x
> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> >> >> > Phatbox.
> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> >> > since
> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > &
> >> >> > gt; &g
> >> >> >t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> >> >> > need*
> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> >> >> > wire.
> >> >> >Note the color
> >> >> > coding
> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> >> >> > have.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> >> >> > little
> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.m
> >> >> > atroni
> >> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> > d
> >> >> > iffere
> >> >> >nt.
> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> >> > xdp-4000x.
> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> >> > PhatManager).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> >> >> > when:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >> >> > connect a
> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> >> >> > orang
> >> >> >e (ground) wires. I
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> >> > y conn
> >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> >> >> > will
> >> >> > work
> >> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > rbitra
> >> >> >tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> >> >> > signal
> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> >> > PhatBox
> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> > Mike"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > BR
> >> >> > ;
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> >> >> > ore |
> >> >> >CA | 94551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> >> >> > a comp
> >> >> >lete system reset
> >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> >> >> > there,
> >> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> >> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
> >> >> > Phatbox
> >> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> >> >> > by: bo
> >> >> >bbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> > suggested
> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> >> >> > 4000x
> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> >> > Phatbox.
> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> >> > since
> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anyone out there
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original me
> >> >> > ssage
> >> >> >--------------
> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> >> >> > need*
> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> coding
> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find
> >> >> > you n
> >> >> > eed to interpolate a
> >> >> > little
> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >&g
> >> >> > t; >
> >> >> >;
> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> > different.
> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > g
> >> >> > t;
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> > connections
> >> >> > are th
> >> >> >e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> >> have
> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> >> >> > work
> >> >> > with any multi-device conf
> >> >> > igurat
> >> >> > ions.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> >> >> > arbitration during device initializatio
> >> >> > n. Wit
> >> >> >hout the pull-down the signal
> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> >> to
> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> > Mike"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > &
> >> >> > gt; > >R>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> > suggested
> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> >> >> > 4000x
> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> >> > since
> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt <
> >> >> > BR>>
> >> >> >; Drall
> >> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> >> >> > need*
> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> coding
> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> >> >> > little
> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What P
> >> >> >hatbox Said:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.m
> >> >> > atroni
> >> >> > cs.com/xdp
> >> >> > 4000x/
> >> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> > different.
> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> > connections
> >> >> > are th
> >> >> >e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> >> have
> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >> >> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> >> > y conn
> >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> >> >> > work
> >> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> >> >> > arbitration during device i
> >> >> > nitial
> >> >> >ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> >> >> > sho
> >> >> > uld th
> >> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> > Mike"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > BR
> >> >> > ;
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >&
> >> >> > gt; &g
> >> >> >t;
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > g
> >> >> > t;
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
> >> the
> >> >> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> >> themodification
> >> >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
> unit
> >> for
> >> >> me
> >> >> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> >> >> > not wo
> >> >> >rking:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> >> job
> >> >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> >> >> the
> >> >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> >> because
> >> >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
> >> sure
> >> >> if
> >> >> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> >> >> directly
> >> >> > connected to the head unit?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> >> >> >&
> >> >> > gt; &g
> >> >> >t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> >> whenever
> >> >> > it's
> >> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> >> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> >> >> > he Son
> >> >> > y Phatbox firmware?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> > suggested
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > the pr
> >> >> >oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> >> > 4000x
> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> >> > Phatbox.
> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> >> > since
> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ;
> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> >> >> > ue. Be
> >> >> >low are two links to some
> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> >> >> > need*
> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> >> > coding
> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> >> >> > little
> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Wha
> >> >> > t Matt
> >> >> > Found on his cable:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> > different.
> >> >> > Use the drawing that m
> >> >> > atches
> >> >> > best your installation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For reference, here is a message
> >> >> > from M
> >> >> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> >> >> > can b
> >> >> >e seen on the
> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> >> >> > work
> >> >> >
> >> >> > g
> >> >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> >> >> > to
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> > Mike"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Drall
> >> >> > e | Ma
> >> >> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> > suggested
> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> >> >> > 4000x
> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> >> > since
> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> >> >> > ation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
> factory?
> >> I'm
> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> >> >> > need*
> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> >> > coding
> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> >> >> > le you
> >> >> > have.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> >> >> > little
> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin
> >> >> > numbe
> >> >> > rs and what not:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.m
> >> >> > atroni
> >> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> > different.
> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> >> >> > ough P
> >> >> >hatManager).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Fo
> >> >> > r refe
> >> >> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> >> a
> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> >> have
> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> >> > y conn
> >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> >> >> > 6.00 a
> >> >> >nd an unmodified cable will
> >> >> > work
> >> >> >
> >> >> > gt; g
> >> >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> >> to
> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> > Mike"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > BR
> >> >> > ;
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | <
> >> >> > BR>>
> >> >> >; 94551
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> >> >> > there,
> >> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> >> >> >
> >> >> > p
> >> >> >l
> >> >> > ugged
> >> >> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
> >> >> > Phatbox
> >> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> > suggested
> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> >> >> > 4000x
> >> >> >
> >> >> >&g
> >> >> >t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> >> >> > s inst
> >> >> > ead of 4.7k since
> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anyone out there
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> > information on ho
> >> >> > w the
> >> >> >Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> >> > need*
> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> coding
> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > links are
> >> >> > for re
> >> >> > ference only and you might find
> >> >> > you n
> >> >> > eed to interpolate a
> >> >> > little
> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> > different.
> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > &
> >> >> >gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> >> using
> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > g
> >> >> > t;
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > gt; > > R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> system.
> >> The
> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> >> a
> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> >> have
> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> >> >> > PhatBox
> >> >> > conne
> >> >> >ctor.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> >> >> > work
> >> >> > with any multi-device conf
> >> >> > igurat
> >> >> > ions.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> >> >> > stays
> >> >> > high
> >> >> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> >> to
> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset.
> >> >> > He wo
> >> >> >uld know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> > Mike"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> > suggested
> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> >> >> > 4000x
> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> >> >> > ommuni
> >> >> > cates with the Phatbox.
> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> >> since
> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> > <
> >> >> > BR>>
> >> >> >; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> >> to
> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt
> >> >> > Drall
> >> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> >> >> > need*
> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> coding
> >> >> >
> >> >> > BR
> >> >> > ; and what not might be different depending on
> >> >> > the ve
> >> >> >rsion of cable you have.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> >> >> > little
> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.m
> >> >> > atroni
> >> >> > cs.com/xdp
> >> >> > 4000x/
> >> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> > different.
> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> >> >> > are (u
> >> >> >pgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt Drall
> >> >> > e
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> >> a
> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
> >> have
> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >> >> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> >> > y conn
> >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> > c
> >> >> > onfigu
> >> >> >rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> >> > work
> >> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> >> >> > t is a
> >> >> > n input. It is used for
> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> >> >> > sho
> >> >> > uld th
> >> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> > Mike"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > BR
> >> >> > ;
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G
> >> >> > Dralle
> >> >> > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ;
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > g
> >> >> > t;
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > matron
> >> >> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> >> >> > A | 94
> >> >> >551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > > QUOTE>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> short
> >> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> >> itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
> list
> >> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
> >> >
> >> >Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
> up
> >> fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
> PB
> >> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
> PB.
> >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> >> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> >> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> >> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
XM
> >> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> >> >XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input
of
> >> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> disappear,
> >> C90 only sees the PB.
> >> >
> >> >Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
> the
> >> system without the PB.
> >> >
> >> >Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
> down
> >> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
> >> sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
> learn a
> >> thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> problem
> >> is...lol
> >> >
> >> >Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> >> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
> to
> >> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> >> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
> PBcable
> >> from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it
was
> >> made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
> >> made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
> were
> >> made before the modification was put in place.
> >> >
> >> >I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> >> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> >> Ahhhh!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> >> > resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> >> > unless you miss wire something... :-)
> >> >
> >> > The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
> on
> >> > the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
> has
> >> a
> >> > class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> some
> >> > examples:
> >> >
> >> > CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> >> > MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> >> > Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> >> > Processors: 210, 4000x
> >> > , inte
> >> >rnal Bass/Treble
> >> >
> >> > On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
> each
> >> > device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
> "I'm
> >> > Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> >> > particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> >> > (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
> >> >
> >> > An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> >> powered
> >> > up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> >> > device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
> protocol
> >> > sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> address
> >> > negotiation.
> >> >
> >> > The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> The
> >> > closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
> >> > asical
> >> >ly what
> >> > happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> >> connectivity
> >> > to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
> On
> >> > the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
> stream,
> >> so
> >> > negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
> >> >
> >> > The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> >> Changer
> >> > class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> into
> >> > the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
> >> >
> >> > That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
> the
> >> > 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> wanted
> >> > to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
> while
> >> to
> >> > figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> >> > addressing that way, but I didn't really g
> >> > et an
> >> >answer back. I've written an
> >> > embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> >> > microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> >> > compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> >> surly
> >> > Phatbox could.
> >> >
> >> > If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
on
> my
> >> > two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> >> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
> >> did
> >> > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >> >
> >> > So you don't think the reset line in yo
> >> > ur dia
> >> >gram or a higher value resistor
> >> > could be the problem, huh?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> >> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> >> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> >> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> I
> >> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
> >> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
> >> > rote:
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> >> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> >> > modification
> >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> >> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> >> > working:
> >> >
> >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> >> > job
> >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
> >> > the
> >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> >> > because
> >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> >> > i
> >> > f that
> >> > would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> >> > directly connected to the head unit?
> >> >
> >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> >> > whenever
> >> > it's
> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> > controlled since it
> >> > is pl
> >> >ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >
> >> > sugge
> >> >sted
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> >> > my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> > Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> > since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> >> > willing
> >> > to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> >> > someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> >> > I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> > &
> >> > gt; &g
> >> >t;
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> >> > some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> >> > *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> >> > color
> >> > coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> >> > have.
> >> > The
> >> >&
> >> > gt; &g
> >> >t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> >> > interpolate
> >> > a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > &
> >> > gt; Us
> >> >e the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> >> > using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> > xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> > PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> >> > when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > &g
> >> > t;
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >> > connect
> >> > a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> >> > I
> >> > have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> >> > on
> >> > the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> >> > unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > co
> >> > nfigur
> >> >ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> >> > will
> >> > work
> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> >> > for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> >> > signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> >> > when
> >> > is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> > PhatBox
> >> > should the
> >> > n forc
> >> >e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> >> > listen
> >> > to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > <
> >> >BR>
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> >> > my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> >> > Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> > since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> >> > willing
> >> > to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> >> > so
> >> > meone
> >> >
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> >> > I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> >> > some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> >> > *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> > >
> >> > ;
> >> >coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> >> > have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> >> > interpolate a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.m
> >> > atroni
> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> > >
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> >> > using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> > xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> > PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> >> > when:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >> > connect a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> >> > I
> >> > have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> > y conn
> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> >> > unit.
> >> >
> >> > Firmw
> >> >are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> >> > will
> >> > work
> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> >> > for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> >> > signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> >> > when
> >> > is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> >
> >> > &g
> >> >t; PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> >> > listen
> >> > to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> > &g
> >> > t; >
> >> >;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So f
> >> > rustra
> >> >ting, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >> > there,
> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> >> > Phatbox
> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 0
> >> > 7:27 P
> >> >M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> > Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> > since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there
> >> > with
> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
> >> > hat > >R> someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> > coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> >> > have.
> >> > The
> >> >
> >> > &
> >> >gt; links are for reference only and you might find
> >> > you n
> >> > eed to interpolate a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
> >> > If yo
> >> >u are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> > xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> > PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> > t;
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> >> > a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> >> > have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (So
> >> > nyCabl
> >> >e5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> > with any multi-device conf
> >> > igurat
> >> > ions.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> >> >
> >> >&
> >> >gt; is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> > PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> >> > to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> >> > Produc
> >> >ts For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> >> > Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> > since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> >> > to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> >> > someone
> >> >
> >> > wouldn
> >> >'t mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt
> >> > Drall
> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> > coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> >> > have.
> >> > &g
> >> > t;
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.m
> >> > atroni
> >> > cs.com/xdp
> >> > 4000x/
> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> > >
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> > xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> > PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> >> > a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> >> > have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >> > >
> >> > ;
> >> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> > y conn
> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
> >> > PhatB
> >> >ox has trouble knowing when
> >> > is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> > PhatBox
> >> > sho
> >> > uld th
> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > >
> >> > ;
> >> >http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> > t;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > What do you know abou
> >> > t the
> >> >reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> >> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> >> > themodification
> >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> >> > me
> >> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> >> > working:
> >> >
> >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> >> > job
> >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
> >> > the
> >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> >> > because
> >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> >> > if
> >> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> >> > directly
> >> > connected to the head unit?
> >> > >
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> >> > it's
> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >
> >> > -
> >> > ------
> >> >------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> >> > he Son
> >> > y Phatbox firmware?
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> > Phatbox.
> >> >
> >> > Still
> >> > wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> > since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> >
> >> > ;
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > &g
> >> > t; inf
> >> >ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> > coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > Wha
> >> > t Matt
> >> > Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message
> >> > from M
> >> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> >> > a
> >> >&g
> >> > t; >
> >> >; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> >> > have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> >
> >> > a
> >> >rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> >> > to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Drall
> >> > e | Ma
> >> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
> >> > @matro
> >> >nics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> >> > Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> > since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> <
> >> > BR>>
> >> >;
> >> >
> >> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> >> > I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> > coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> > The
> >> >
> >> >&g
> >> >t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin
> >> > numbe
> >> > rs and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.m
> >> > atroni
> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Fo
> >> > r refe
> >> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> >> > a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> >> > have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> >
> >> > &
> >> >gt; y conn
> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> >
> >> > gt; g
> >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> > >
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> >> > to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> >> > 94551
> >> >
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ==========================================
> >> > ======
> >> >==================
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >> > there,
> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> >> > pl
> >> > ugged
> >> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> >&
> >> > gt; &g
> >> >t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> >> > Phatbox
> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soo
> >> > n as t
> >> >he Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> > Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> >> > s inst
> >> > ead of 4.7k since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there
> >> > with
> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -
> >> >- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> > coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are
> >> > for re
> >> > ference only and you might find
> >> > you n
> >> > eed to interpolate a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.c
> >> > om/xdp
> >> >4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> > t;
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> >> > when:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> >> > The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> >> > a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> >> > have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > wor
> >> > k
> >> >
> >> > with any multi-device conf
> >> > igurat
> >> > ions.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays
> >> > high
> >> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> >> > to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > &g
> >> >t;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> >> > ommuni
> >> > cates with the Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> >
> >> > s
> >> >ince
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt
> >> > Drall
> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> >> > *will
> >> >
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> > coding
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> >> > have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.m
> >> > atroni
> >> > cs.com/xdp
> >> > 4000x/
> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > &g
> >> >t;
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Drall
> >> > e
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> >> >
> >> >&
> >> >gt; a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> >> > have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> > y conn
> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> >> > t is a
> >> >>
> >> > ;
> >> > n input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > sho
> >> > uld th
> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >
> >> >&g
> >> >t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> > t;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > matron
> >> >
> >> >&
> >> >gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> >> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
> >> did
> >> > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >> >
> >> > So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
> resistor
> >> > could be the problem, huh?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt
> >> > Drall
> >> >e dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> >> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> >> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> >> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> I
> >> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
> >> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > What do you kn
> >> > ow abo
> >> > ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> >> >
> >> > o
> >> >nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> >> > modification
> >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> >> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> >> > working:
> >> >
> >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> >> job
> >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
> >> > the
> >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> >> because
> >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> >> > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> >> > directly connected to the head unit?
> >> >
> >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message -----------
> >> >&
> >> > gt; &g
> >> >t; --- > > R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> >> > it's
> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version
> >> > of the
> >> > Sony Phatbox firmware? > > R>
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> > Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> > since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> >> > to
> >> >
> >> > gt;
> >> > ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
> >> > able d
> >> >irect from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> >> > *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> > coding
> >> > and what
> >> > not mi
> >> > ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> >> > have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> >> > a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Mat
> >> > t Foun
> >> >d on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your in
> >> > stalla
> >> > tion.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> >> > using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> > xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> > PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> >> > when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed
> >> > cable
> >> >manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >> > connect
> >> > a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> >> > orang
> >> > e (ground) wires. I
> >> > have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> >> > the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> >> > will
> >> > work
> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> >> > t is a
> >> >n input. It is used
> >> > for
> >> > g
> >> > t;
> >> > ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> >> > signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> >> > is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> > PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> >> > listen
> >> > to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > gt; Ma
> >> > tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
> >> > il
> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> >> > Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> > since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > gt; g
> >> > t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> >> > to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> >
> >> > runnin
> >> >g out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> >> > wire.
> >> > Note the color
> >> > coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> >> > have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http:/
> >> > /www.m
> >> >atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.m
> >> > atroni
> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > d
> >> > iffere
> >> > nt.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> > xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> > PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> >> > when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
> >> > his s
> >> >ystem. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >> > connect a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> >> > orang
> >> > e (ground) wires. I
> >> > have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> > y conn
> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> >> > will
> >> > work
> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >a
> >> > rbitra
> >> > tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> >> > signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> >> > is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> > PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> >> > to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> >> > ore |
> >> > CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> >> > Aircra
> >> >ft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> >> > a comp
> >> > lete system reset
> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >> > there,
> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
> >> > shut d
> >> >own when the
> >> > Phatbox
> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> >> > by: bo
> >> > bbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> > Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resist
> >> > or sho
> >> >uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> > since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there
> >> > with
> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original me
> >> > ssage
> >> > --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
> >> > Note
> >> >the color coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find
> >> > you n
> >> > eed to interpolate a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> > g
> >> > t;
> >> > ;
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to h
> >> > ave op
> >> >erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> > t;
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections
> >> > are th
> >> > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware
> >> > 5.00
> >> >and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> > with any multi-device conf
> >> > igurat
> >> > ions.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initializatio
> >> > n. Wit
> >> > hout the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >&g
> >> > t; >
> >> >;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > gt; > > R
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> > since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> >> > pa
> >> > rt wit
> >> >h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt
> >> > BR
> >> > ; Drall
> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> >> >
> >> >&
> >> >gt; little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > What P
> >> > hatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.m
> >> > atroni
> >> > cs.com/xdp
> >> > 4000x/
> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > <
> >> > BR>>
> >> >; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections
> >> > are th
> >> > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> > y conn
> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> > with any multi-devi
> >> > ce con
> >> >figurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device i
> >> > nitial
> >> > ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > sho
> >> > uld th
> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
> >> > Email
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > gt; g
> >> > t;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> > t;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> >> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> >> themodification
> >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> >> >>
> >> > ; me <
> >> >BR> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> >> > not wo
> >> > rking:
> >> >
> >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> >> job
> >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
> >> > the
> >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> >> because
> >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> >> > if
> >> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> >> > directly
> >> > connected to the head unit?
> >> >
> >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > &g
> >> > t; Yes
> >> >, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >> >
> >> > gt; g
> >> > t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> >> > it's
> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> >> > he Son
> >> > y Phatbox firmware?
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
> >> > wrote
> >> >:
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and
> >> > the pr
> >> > oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> > Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> > since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> >
> >> > ;
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> > &
> >> > gt; > >R> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> >> > ue. Be
> >> > low are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> > coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > Wha
> >> > t Matt
> >> > Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> >&
> >> >gt;
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that m
> >> > atches
> >> > best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message
> >> > from M
> >> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
> >> > t
> >> >
> >> > a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> >> > have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> >> > can b
> >> > e seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at
> >> > all ti
> >> >mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> >> > to
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Drall
> >> > e | Ma
> >> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >
> >> > sugge
> >> >sted
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> > since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> >> > ation.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> > &
> >> > gt; > >R>
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> > coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> >> > le you
> >> > have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin
> >> > numbe
> >> > rs and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.m
> >> > atroni
> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Depend
> >> >ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> >> > ough P
> >> > hatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Fo
> >> > r refe
> >> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description
> >> > of the
> >> > connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> > y conn
> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> >> > 6.00 a
> >> > nd an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> >
> >> > gt; g
> >> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > &g
> >> > t; Aft
> >> >er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> >> > BR
> >> > ; 94551
> >> >
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >>
> >> > ;
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >> > there,
> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> >> >
> >> > p
> >> > l
> >> > ugged
> >> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> >> > Phatbox
> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message p
> >> > osted
> >> >by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> > t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> > Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> >> > s inst
> >> > ead of 4.7k since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there
> >> > with
> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
> >> > illing
> >> > to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on ho
> >> > w the
> >> > Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are
> >> > for re
> >> > ference only and you might find <
> >> > BR>>
> >> >; you n
> >> > eed to interpolate a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> >> t;
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > gt; > > R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox
> >> > conne
> >> > ctor.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >with any multi-device conf
> >> > igurat
> >> > ions.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays
> >> > high
> >> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset.
> >> > He wo
> >> > uld know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-6
> >> > 06-628
> >> >1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> >> > ommuni
> >> > cates with the Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> > since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a
> >> > cable
> >> > direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt
> >> > Drall
> >> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > ; and what not might be different depending on
> >> > the ve
> >> > rsion of cable you have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers
> >> > and w
> >> >hat not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.m
> >> > atroni
> >> > cs.com/xdp
> >> > 4000x/
> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> >> > are (u
> >> > pgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Drall
> >> > e
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a messag
> >> > e from
> >> > Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> > y conn
> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > c
> >> > onfigu
> >> > rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >>
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> >> > t is a
> >> > n input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > sho
> >> > uld th
> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G
> >> > Dralle
> >> > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
> >> > om Ema
> >> >il
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> > t;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > matron
> >> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> >> > A | 94
> >> > 551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.co
> >> > m Emai
> >> >l
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > > QUOTE
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ist/se
> >> >arch
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >Ok, I went ahead andclipped thereset wire and nowthe PBactually works in my
> system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
> processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changerinput any longer
> (and it used to just fine)... Idid testand there is audio at the outputs of the
> PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
> >
> >I threw my cd changerback in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
> from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
> either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always used
> the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
> >
> >I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
> since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
> system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
I
> don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
> >
> >So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
> convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
> before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken inside
> of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
> everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
> >
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that line
> > down and never letting anyone else init.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> short
> > of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> it
> > split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
> > of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
> >
> > Phatbox (PB) plugged directly int
> > o the
> >Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
> > up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
PB
> > powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
> PB.
> > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> > Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> > Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> > XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
XM
> > Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
> > XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> disappear,
> > C90 only sees the PB.
> >
> >&
> > gt; &g
> >t;Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
> the
> > system without the PB.
> >
> > Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
> down
> > and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
> > besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
> > thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
> problem
> > is...lol
> >
> > Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> > but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
> > have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> > cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
> > cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
> it
> > was made by Phatnoise) or age o
> > f the
> >cable so I don't know how recent it has
> > been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
> that
> > were made before the modification was put in place.
> >
> > I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> > all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> > Ahhhh!
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> > resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> > unless you miss wire something... :-)
> >
> > The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger sla
> > ve
> >> on
> > the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
> > a
> > class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> > some
> > examples:
> >
> > CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> > MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> > Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> > Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
> >
> > On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
> > device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
> > Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> > particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> > (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (lo
> > w nibb
> >le).
> >
> > An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> > powered
> > up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> > device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
> > sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> > address
> > negotiation.
> >
> > The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> > The
> > closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
> > happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> > connectivity
> > to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
> > the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
> > so
> >>
> > ;
> > negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
> >
> > The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> > Changer
> > class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> > into
> > the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
> >
> > That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
> > 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> > wanted
> > to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
> > to
> > figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> > addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written an
> > embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> > microco
> > ntroll
> >er and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> > compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> > surly
> > Phatbox could.
> >
> > If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
> > my
> > two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> > did
> > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >
> > &g
> > t; >
> >;So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> > could be the problem, huh?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> > plugging
> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> > Phatbox
> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> > I
> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> > XA-C30 if you pr
> > omise
> >on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> > the
> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > modification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > for
> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> > the > > R>
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> > in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > sure
> > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > &g
> > t; >
> >;
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> > reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> > the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > --
> > XDP400
> >0X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> > as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers
> > down,
> >the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> >
> > -
> >------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> > you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the versi
> > on of
> >cable
> > you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pd
> > f
> >
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> > little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> > are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> > &
> > gt; &g
> >t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> > back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > wires.
> > I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > &g
> > t; >
> >;
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
> > seen
> > on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> > multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> > cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the
> > bus m
> >aster signal. It is an input. It is
> > used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> > the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> > knowing
> > when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> > The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > &g
> > t; >
> >; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> > C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > <
> > BR>>
> >;
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> > as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're > > R>
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > s
> > ome > >R> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> > you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > &
> > gt;>
> >;
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> > little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> >
> > &
> >gt; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> > back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect a
> > &g
> > t; >
> >; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> > wires.
> > I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> > multi-device
> > configuration
> > s. I'm
> > not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> > cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> > used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot
> > and t
> >hen shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> > C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@m
> > atroni
> >cs.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air
> > craft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> > reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> > the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > &
> > gt;>
> >; -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> > in > >R> my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > &g
> > t;
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might f
> > ind > >R> you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > &g
> > t;
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >
> > conne
> >ct
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device conf
> >
> >&g
> >t; igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know be
> > st abo
> >ut using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >
> > &
> >gt; suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> > 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> >
> > &
> >gt; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different dependi
> > ng on
> >the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > >
> > ;
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We
> > chang
> >ed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable w
> > orks w
> >ith simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > sho > > R>
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > &
> > gt; > >R>
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > &
> > gt;>
> >; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> > the
> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > themodification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > for
> > me
> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> > the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> > in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a fir
> > mware
> >update? Im not
> > sure
> > if
> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly
> > connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shut
> > s down
> >
> > whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> > the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > he Son
> > y Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At
> > 07:27
> >PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > par
> > t with
> > for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> >
> > ;
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor be
> > tween
> >ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > Wha
> > t Matt
> > Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> >
> >&
> >gt; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message
> > from M
> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We chang
> > ed cab
> >le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if f
> > irmwar
> >e 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> >
> > g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > &g
> > t;
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Drall
> > e | Ma
> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> > as > >R> suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> >
> >
> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > >
> > ;
> >I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > T
> > he
> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin
> > numbe
> > rs and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > >
> > ;
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Fo
> > r refe
> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > co
> > nnect
> >
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> >
> > &g
> > t; >
> >; gt; g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > &
> > gt; > >R> Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > 94551
> >
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> > is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> > pl
> > ugged
> > in. I find it odd that the
> > Phatb
> >ox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> > >
> > ;
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > s inst
> > ead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > so
> > meone
> >
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending
> > on the
> > version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are
> > for re
> > ference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little > > R>
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
> > system. > > R>
> > The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> >
> > &
> >gt; work
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays
> > high
> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > &g
> > t;
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > s
> > uggest
> >ed
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > ommuni
> > cates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody hel
> > p?
> >>
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> >
> > BR
> > ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> >>
> > ;
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > >
> > ;
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Drall
> > e
> >
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are t
> > he sam
> >e but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > >
> > ;
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> > n input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regardi
> > ng pus
> >hing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > &
> >gt;
> > ;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> > matron
> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Bo
> > x 347
> >| Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> > did
> > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >
> > So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> > could be the problem, huh?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > -- XDP
> >4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> > plugging
> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> > I
> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > What do you kn
> >
> >
> >ow abo
> > ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > modification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > for
> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> > sure
> > if that would help but you might want to ask
> > Matt.
> >Does it still work when
> > directly connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message -----------
> > --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the <
> > BR>>
> >; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version
> > of the
> > Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> >
> >
> >powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> >
> > gt;
> > ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted b
> > y: Mat
> >t Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what
> > not mi
> > ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com
> > /xdp40
> >00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your in
> > stalla
> > tion.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For r
> > eferen
> >ce, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > orang
> > e (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an
> > unmod
> >ified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > g
> > t;
> > ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few
> > second
> >s. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; Ma
> > tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon
> > as th
> >e Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> >
> > gt; g
> > t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@
> > matron
> >ics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> > wire.
> > Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > <
> > BR>>
> >; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > d
> > iffere
> > nt.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> > >
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > orang
> > e (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when direc
> > tly co
> >nnected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > a
> > rbitra
> > tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> >en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> > ore |
> > CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> > <
> > BR>>
> >;
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> > a comp
> > lete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> >
> > Phatb
> >ox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> > by: bo
> > bbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >
> > 4000x
> >
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original me
> > ssage
> > --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X
> > -List
> >message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > ;
> >g
> > t;
> > ;
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections
> > are th
> > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >
> > work <
> >BR> with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initializatio
> > n. Wit
> > hout the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > &
> >gt;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; R
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k >
> R>
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > BR
> > ; Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information
> > on how
> > the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> >
> > What P
> > hatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > >
> > ;
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections
> > are th
> > e same but the colors
> > are di
> >fferent. You want to connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
> > ed for
> >
> > arbitration during device i
> > nitial
> > ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermor
> > e | CA
> > | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > gt; g
> > t;
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> > > > R>
> >
> >
> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> > the
> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > themodification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> > for
> > me
> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> > not wo
> > rking:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update
> > ? Im n
> >ot
> > sure
> > if
> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly
> > connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever
> > it's
> >
> > &
> >gt; plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > he Son
> > y Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister ins
> > talled
> > as
> > suggested
> > and
> > the pr
> > oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >
> > ;
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> > ue. Be
> > low are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> >
> > &
> >gt; Wha
> > t Matt
> > Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that m
> > atches
> > best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > >
> > ;
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message
> > from M
> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> > can b
> > e seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when dir
> > ectly
> >connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > &g
> > t; >
> >; to
> >
> >
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Drall
> > e | Ma
> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >
> > &
> >gt; 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> > ation.
> >
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >
> >
> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > <
> >BR> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> > le you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin
> > numbe
> > rs and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> >>
> > ;
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> > ough P
> > hatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> >
> > &g
> >t; Fo
> > r refe
> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with
> > simpl
> >e multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> > 6.00 a
> > nd an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He
> > would
> >know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > BR
> > ; 94551
> >
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Live
> > rmore
> >| CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> >
> > p
> > l
> > ugged
> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know
> > what
> >to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> >
> > g
> > t; powers down, the system reset
> > s and
> >the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > s inst
> > ead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > <
> > BR>>
> >; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on ho
> > w the
> > Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are
> > for re
> > ference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >>
> > ;
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoi
> > se way
> > back when:
> >
> > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox
> > conne
> > ctor.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> > unmod
> >ified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays
> > high
> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset.
> > He wo
> > uld know best about using the C90.
> > &g
> > t;
> >> Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > ommuni
> > cates with the Ph
> > atbox.
> >
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > BR
> > ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > >
> > ; Okay
> >, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> >
> > BR
> > ; and what not might be different depending on
> > the ve
> > rsion of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >&
> > gt; &g
> >t;
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> > are (u
> > pgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Drall
> > e
> >
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Wo
> > o at P
> >hatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > c
> > onfigu
> >
> > ra
> >tions. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> > n input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > <
> > BR>>
> >; Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G
> > Dralle
> > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-100
> > 1 V |
> >925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> > matron
> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> > A | 94
> > 551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > QUOTE
> >
> >
> >
> > &
> >gt;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
> short
> > of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
> > itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
> list
> > of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
> >
> > Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up
> > fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C
> > 30: PB
> >
> > powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
> PB.
> > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> > Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> > Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> > XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
XM
> > Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> > XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
> > XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
> disappear,
> > C90 only sees the PB.
> >
> > Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
> the
> > system without the PB.
> >
> > Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbo
> > x is s
> >hut down
> > and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
> > sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn
> a
> > thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem
> > is...lol
> >
> > Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> > but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
> > have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> > cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original PBcable
> > from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was
> > made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
> > made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
> were
> > made before the modification was put in place.
> >
> >&g
> > t; >
> >;I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> > all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> > Ahhhh!
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> > resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> > unless you miss wire something... :-)
> >
> > The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
> on
> > the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
> > a
> > class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> some
> > examples: > > R>
> >
> > CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> > MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> > Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> > Processors: 210, 4000x
> > , inte
> > rnal Bass/Treble
> >
> > On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
> > device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
> > Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> > particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> > (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
> >
> > An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> > powered
> > up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> > device) from the last time it started, it w
> > ill re
> >set the bus (both a protocol
> > sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> address
> > negotiation.
> >
> > The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> The
> > closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
> > asical
> > ly what
> > happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> > connectivity
> > to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
> > the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
> > so
> > negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
> >
> > The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> > Changer
> > class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> into
> > the HU or is on Port 1 of th
> > e firs
> >t XA-C30 in the chain.
> >
> > That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
> > 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> wanted
> > to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
> > to
> > figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> > addressing that way, but I didn't really g
> > et an
> > answer back. I've written an
> > embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> > microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> > compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> > surly
> > Phatbox could.
> >
> > If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
> my
> > two installations to see if the
> > probl
> >em is the Phatbox or something else.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> > did
> > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >
> > So you don't think the reset line in yo
> > ur dia
> > gram or a higher value resistor
> > could be the problem, huh?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my insta
> > llatio
> >ns, I am plugging
> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
> > rote:
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > modification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> > me wrote after I
> > contac
> >ted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> > i
> > f that
> > would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> >
> > Yes, a
> >nd I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> > whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it
> > is pl
> > ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: b
> > obbybr
> >aun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >
> > sugge
> > sted
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> >
> > g
> >t; g
> > t;
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> > color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his ca
> > ble: <
> >BR>
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> >
> > gt; Us
> > e the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable ma
> > nufact
> >urers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > g
> > t;
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> > on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > co
> > nfigur
> > ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> >&
> >gt;
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should the
> > n forc
> > e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606
> > -6281
> >F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > BR
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> > willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > so
> > meone
> >
> > woul
> > dn't m
> >ind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> > some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >
> > ;
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> > interpolate a
> > little
> > >
> > ; with
> > respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > ;
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Fo
> > r refe
> >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> > I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> > unit.
> >
> > Firmw
> > are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
> > unmod
> >ified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> > for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> > when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >
> > g
> > t; PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> > &
> > gt; > >R>
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> > g
> > t;
> > ;
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So f
> > rustra
> > ting, the C9
> > 0 know
> >s the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 0
> > 7:27 P
> > M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> > as
> >> suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
> > hat > > R someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dra
> > lle > >R>
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> >
> >
> > gt; links are for reference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> >Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
> > If yo
> > u are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > >
> > ; have
> >
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (So
> > nyCabl
> > e5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> >
> >
> > gt; is
> > >
> > ; the
> >
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
> > Produc
> > ts For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still t
> > here..
> >. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> > someone
> >
> > wouldn
> > 't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > <
> >BR> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > g
> > t;
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > ;
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> >
> > attach
> >ed a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >
> > ;
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
> > PhatB
> > ox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> >
> > right
> >time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> > ;
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you know abou
> > t the
> > reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > themodification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> > me
> > wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing w
> > as tha
> >t in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> > if
> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly
> > connected to the head unit?
> >
> > ;
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whe
> > never
> >
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -
> > ------
> > ------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > he Son
> > y Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> > my > >R> 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> >
> > Still
> > wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >
> > ;
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >
> >&g
> >t; g
> > t; inf
> > ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > Wha
> > t Matt
> > Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > >
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message
> > from M
> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > g
> > t;
> > ; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >&g
> > t; >
> >;
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >
> > a
> > rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > >
> > ; shou
> >ld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Drall
> > e | Ma
> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
> > @matro
> > nics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > &
> > gt; St
> >ill wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> > I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >
> > &
> >gt; need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> >
> > g
> > t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin
> > numbe
> > rs and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> >
> > Are y
> >ou using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >
> >
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Fo
> > r refe
> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >
> >
> >&g
> > t; >
> >;gt; y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > ;
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a r
> > eset a
> >fter a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > 94551
> >
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==========================================
> > ======
> > ==================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics
> > .com/
> >WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > pl
> > ugged
> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of
> > the S
> >ony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soo
> > n as t
> > he Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > s inst
> > ead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >
> >
> >wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > -
> > - XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are
> > for re
> > ference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and
> > pin nu
> >mbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.c
> > om/xdp
> > 4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> >>
> > ;
> > when:
> >
> >
> > gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> > The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > wor
> > k
> >
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > io
> > ns. > >R>
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays
> > high
> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > ommuni
> > cates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >
> > s
> > ince
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >
> > r
> >unning out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> >
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> >
> > BR
> > ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > &
> > gt; Wh
> >at Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > g
> > t;
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Drall
> > e
> >
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise wa
> > y back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> >
> >
> > gt; a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> >&g
> > t; >
> >; The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> >
> > ;
> > n input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >
> > g
> > t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-60
> > 6-6281
> > F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> > matron
> >
> >
> > gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V |
> > 925-60
> >6-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> > using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> > did
> > not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >
> > So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> > could be the problem, huh?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
> > &g
> > t; the
> > Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > What do you kn
> > ow abo
> > ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> >
> > o
> > nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> > modification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> > me wrote after I contac
> > ted hi
> >m the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> > working:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message -----------
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; --- > > R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >>
> > ;
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version
> > of the
> > Sony Phatbox firmware? > > R
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4
> > 000X-L
> >ist message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> >
> > gt;
> > ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
> > able d
> > irect from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> >&g
> > t; >
> >; -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> > *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what
> > not mi
> > ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> > a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Mat
> > t Foun
> > d on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/U
> > nilink
> >-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your in
> > stalla
> > tion.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> > using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed
> > cable
> > manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >
> >&g
> >t; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > orang
> > e (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> > the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> > n input. It is used <
> > BR>>
> >; for
> > g
> > t;
> > ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> > listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; Ma
> > tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
> > il
> > h
> > ttp://
> >www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> >
> > gt; g
> > t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >
> > runnin
> >>
> > ;
> >g out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
> > wire.
> > Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http:
> > /
> >
> > /www.m
> > atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > d
> > iffere
> > nt.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> > xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> > PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> > when:
> >
> > "We changed cable man
> > ufactu
> >rers since Matt purchased
> > his s
> > ystem. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> > connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
> > orang
> > e (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> > will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with th
> > e bus
> >master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >
> >
> > a
> > rbitra
> > tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> > signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> > is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> > PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
> > ore |
> > CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@
> > matron
> >ics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> > Aircra
> > ft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
> > a comp
> > lete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > plugged in. I find it
> > odd t
> >hat the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
> > shut d
> > own when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted
> > by: bo
> > bbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > >
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resist
> > or sho
> > uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original me
> > ssage
> > --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >
> >&
> >gt; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
> > Note
> > the color coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > g
> > t;
> > ;
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use t
> > he dra
> >wing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to h
> > ave op
> > erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections
> > are th
> > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The
> > numbe
> >rs can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware
> > 5.00
> > and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initializatio
> > n. Wit
> > hout the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > &g
> > t; sho
> >uld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; > > R
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox
> > .
> >
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > pa
> > rt wit
> > h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > BR
> > ; Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will <
> > BR>>
> >; need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> >
> >
> > gt; little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> >
> > What P
> > hatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> >
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections
> > are th
> > e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They c
> > an be
> >seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-devi
> > ce con
> > figurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device i
> > nitial
> > ization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
> > wever,
> > you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
> > Email
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > gt; g
> > t;
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
> > Aircr
> >aft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> > only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> > themodification
> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> >
> > ; me
> > BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
> > not wo
> > rking:
> >
> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> > job
> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> > the
> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> > because
> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware up
> > date?
> >Im not sure
> > if
> > that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> > directly
> > connected to the head unit?
> >
> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > g
> > t; Yes
> > , and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> > it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x
> > which
> >is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > he Son
> > y Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
> > wrote
> > :
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and
> > the pr
> > oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > >
> > ; Phat
> >box.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >
> > ;
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > gt; > > R -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
> > ue. Be
> > low are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *wil
> > l
> >
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > Wha
> > t Matt
> > Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> >
> > gt;
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that m
> > atches
> > best your installation.
> >
> >
> >
> >Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message
> > from M
> > ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
> > t
> >
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
> > can b > > R>
> > e seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at
> > all ti
> > mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should li
> > sten <
> >BR> to
> >
> >
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Drall
> > e | Ma
> > tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >
> > sugge
> > sted
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k oh
> > ms ins
> >tead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of inform
> > ation.
> >
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >
> >
> > gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > gt; > > R
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor
> > betwe
> >en ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
> > le you
> > have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin
> > numbe
> > rs and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> >
> > Depend
> > ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Son
> > y firm
> >ware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
> > ough P
> > hatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Fo
> > r refe
> > rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description
> > of the
> > connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >&g
> > t; >
> >; PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
> > 6.00 a
> > nd an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > gt; g
> > t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > g
> > t; Aft
> > er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, yo
> > u shou
> >ld listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > BR
> > ; 94551
> >
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >
> > ;
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produ
> > cts Fo
> >r Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> >
> > p
> > l
> > ugged
> > in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> > Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message p
> > osted
> > by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 vers
> > ion of
> > the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> >
> > g
> > t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> > Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > s inst
> > ead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
> > illing
> > to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bo
> > ttom o
> >f a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on ho
> > w the
> > Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are
> > for re
> > ference only and you might find
> > BR
> > ; you n
> > eed
> > to int
> >erpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> >
> >
> > gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >&g
> >t;
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > gt; > > R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox
> > conne
> > ctor.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> >
> >
> >&
> >gt; with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays
> > high
> > (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset.
> > He wo
> > uld know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001
> > V | 92
> >5-6
> > 06-628
> > 1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > ommuni
> > cates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> > since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > BR
> > ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn'
> > t mind
> > me using to get myself a
> > cable
> > direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle@matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> >
> > BR
> > ; and what not might be different depending on
> > the ve
> > rsion of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> >
> > littl
> >e
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers
> > and w
> > hat not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
> > are (u
> > pgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Drall
> >
> > e
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a messag
> > e from
> > Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > c
> > onfigu
> > rations. I'm not sure if fi
> > rmware
> > 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > ;
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> > n input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt
> > G
> >
> > Dralle
> > | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
> > om Ema
> > il
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> > matron
> > ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >&g
> > t; >
> >;
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
> > A | 94
> > 551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.co
> > m Emai
> > l
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > > > QUOTE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > ist/se
> > arch
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> >&g
> > t; htt
> >p://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
Yes, I've thought about all that already, but here is the thing, I can't get any
audio to be recognized by the 4000x through it's Analog Changer Inputs. The
only reason I know it sounds bad is because I hooked a set of headphones up to
the phatbox to test if any audio was present and when I listened it sounded horrible,
(if not mono). I listened to the same exact mp3 file that was being played
on the PB back inside on my computer through the same headset using the
crappy non 24bit burr brown outputs of my laptop and it sounded 1000x more full
and realistic, so that worries me. And the fact that I can't get any audio to
play back when plugged into the analog changer inputs worries me even more,
I really hope this thing didn't somehow damage my 4000x, there is no way I want
to send it off to Sony and let them hack away at it like they did with my last
C90 I sent them...
I have done a full reset from the C90 and still nothing. I'll test out my other
equipment that I know was working beforehand tomorrow and then I'll know more,
but that still doesn't change the issue with the terrible sound output of the
PB.
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Great news!
Couple of things come to mind with respect to your new audio woes. Digital vs
Analog input on the 4000x is only negotiated on reset (button on C90), so with
all the plugging around, make sure that you set things up like you want, then
press that reset button.
Second, the "tinny" sound might be because you've selected an unprogrammed
EQ/Xover setting on the 4000x. The default setting has some of the Xover
settings off or highly attenuated.
Plug your PC back into the 4000x and double check all of your EQ and XO memory
locations, and then make sure you select the right ones on the HU.
Almost there!
Matt
<
BR>>
;
At 08:13 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works in my
system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any longer
(and it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs of
the PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
I threw my cd changer back in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always used
the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
I have yet to try my
XM uni
t, which I know the analog outs used to work on
since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
I
don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken inside
of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
C
ut the
reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
line
down and never letting anyone else init.
Matt
At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
it
split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
&g
t; XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
&g
t; >
; Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used b
ut fac
tory original PB
cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
it
was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
that
were made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering i
ron, I
would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
slave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
&
gt;
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole ne
w bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful t
hat it
is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written
an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with
the m
aster/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
did
not try it with it instal
led ho
wever so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
>
; dire
ctly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
&
gt; &g
t; of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
if that woul
d help
but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
&g
t;
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 v
ersion
of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers
down,
the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
&g
t;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
nee
d* <BR
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
&
gt;>
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
A
re you
using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
&
gt; &g
t; "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
seen
&
gt;>
; on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master si
gnal.
It is an input. It
is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few s
econds
. However, you
should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using
the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@ma
tronic
s.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
the <
BR>>
; Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody hel
p? <BR
>
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground
and th
e blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.
pdf <B
R>
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
&g
t; >
; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connec
tions are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
&
gt; An
unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
&g
t; >
; stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
&g
t; >
; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt; &g
t;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
&g
t; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
&
gt; suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo
of the
bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
&g
t; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www
.matro
nics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
&
gt;>
; Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires. I <BR
>
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi
-devic
e conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a
reset
after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Fea
turing
Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seeme
d to b
e a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
>
;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
&g
t; a <
BR> little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you ha
ve, th
ings might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
wh
en: <B
R>
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
&
gt; &g
t;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble kn
owing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
>
;
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
&g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramth
at was
n't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
&g
t; not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustra
ting,
the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are yo
u runn
ing the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the <BR
>
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
&
gt; &g
t; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
&g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little <
BR>>
; different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
&g
t; >
;
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly
conne
cted to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the <BR
>
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
>
;
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
&
gt; Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original messa
ge ---
-----------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depen
ding o
n what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mik
e Woo
at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
&
gt;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatB
ox has
trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
>
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matroni
cs | P
O Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
pl
ugged
&g
t;
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
<
BR> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of inf
ormati
on.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&
gt;
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
>
;
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your P
hatbox
? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same
but th
e colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not s
ure if
firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the Ph
atBox
is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
&
gt; gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
&g
t; sin
ce
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
&
gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to <
BR>>
; interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
&g
t; different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
&
gt;
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
&g
t; >
; An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
>
;
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
&g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermo
re | C
A | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
9
25-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message -------------
-
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
&
gt;
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do <BR
>
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
--- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XD
P4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
>
; -- X
DP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
&
gt; Ph
atbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
>
;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
&g
t;
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using <BR
>
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
&
gt; e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem
is wit
h the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90. <
BR>
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still
there.
.. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running ou
t of o
ptions here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
&
gt; The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
>
;
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but t
he col
ors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.
00 and
an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset aft
er a f
ew seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is <B
R> there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
&g
t;
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
&
gt; Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>
;
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
&
gt;>
; t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
&g
t; g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
>
;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
&
gt;>
; right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; htt
p://ww
w.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare So
ny Pha
tbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-S
ony ca
bles are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
&
gt; &g
t;
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
&
gt; &g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
>
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft <B
R>
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
&g
t; >
;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
&
gt; diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalle
d the
firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&g
t;
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>
; Phat
box.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-L
ist me
ssage posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
&g
t; Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operati
onal i
ssues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
&
gt; (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
&g
t; >
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
&g
t; >
;
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
&g
t;
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matroni
cs.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to col
ors an
d pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
&g
t; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
ha
ve <BR
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
&
gt; &g
t;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
&
gt;
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
&
gt; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find i
t odd
that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net <B
R>
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
&g
t; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the
4.7k o
hm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matroni
cs.com
/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For r
eference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
A
n unmo
dified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
&
gt;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
&g
t;
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
; BR&g
t;
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
&g
t; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatb
ox-Cab
le-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
&g
t; >
; pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbe
rs can
not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-do
wn the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
>
;
Matt G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
;
QUOTE
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. H
ere's
a
list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up
fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
>
; Radi
o both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
learn a
thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take
you u
p on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
PBcable
from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was
made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
were
made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
<BR
>
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Chan
gers,
Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x
, inte
rnal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discover
s that
there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
asical
ly what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
negotiation goes from Po
rt 1 t
o Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really g
et an
answer back. I've written an
&g
t; emb
edded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if i
t had
an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in yo
ur dia
gram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have
tried
that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
rote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
i
f that
would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it
is pl
ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dral
le <BR
>
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conf
lict o
f information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on
how th
e Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
>
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
gt; Us
e the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
&
gt; &g
t; "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t;
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-
device
co
nfigur
ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should the
n forc
e a reset
after
a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the P
hatbox
is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original messa
ge ---
-----------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
;
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respec
t to c
olors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
>
;
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
&
gt; ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmw
are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
&
gt;>
; the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
g
t; PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt;
g
t;
;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So f
rustra
ting, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
&g
t; there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 0
7:27 P
M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
&g
t;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
hat R someone
wo
uldn't
mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; links ar
e for
reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If yo
u are using
anything els
e, you
are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(So
nyCabl
e5.pdf).
&g
t;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
g
t; is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Ai
rcraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
&
gt; &g
t; wouldn
't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
&g
t;
g
t;
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
; ; <B
R>
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of th
e connecti
;
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times.
Thus
the
PhatB
ox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
&
gt; &g
t;
;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know abou
t the
>
;
reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if
&
gt;>
; that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
;
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still b
e reco
gnized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-
------
------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>
;
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still
wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
--
------
------ Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
g
t; inf
ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt
Drall
e
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
g
t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when dir
ectly
connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few secon
ds. Ho
wever, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
@matro
nics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there
... as
soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
BR
;
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------
------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
>
;
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
&g
t; <BR
> Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
gt; y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
&
gt;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shut
down.
The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==========================================
======
================== <B
R>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
&
;
gt; g
t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
&
gt;>
; and the problem is still there... as soo
n as t
he Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
---------
-----
Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to
colors
and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.c
om/xdp
4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
<
BR> Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
&
gt; An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
wor
k
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and
then
shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resi
ster i
nstalled as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
s
ince
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
&
gt; --
------------ Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
&
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
g
t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going
to ha
ve operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
gt; a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The number
s can
not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
;
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
&g
t; right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&g
t; >
;
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
&
gt; &g
t; From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
&g
t;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
o
nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be c
ut. I
didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
gt; g
t; --- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and
can co
ntrol it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware? R
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@com
cast.n
et
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
a
ble d
irect from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for r
eference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Mat
t Foun
d on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed
cable
manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF w
ith a
detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initializat
ion. W
ithout the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
&g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with
a wor
king spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
runnin
g out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http:/
/www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little <BR
>
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to <
BR>>
; connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
&
gt; &g
t; The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
<BR
>
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircra
ft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featu
ring P
roducts For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
shut d
own when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matron
ics.co
m
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resist
or sho
>
;
uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some <
BR>>
; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
Note
the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
h
ttp://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to h
ave op
erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware
5.00
and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf <BR
>
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
&g
t; t;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>
;
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
pa
rt wit
h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
&
gt; &g
t; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
>
; atro
ni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
BR
; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
his sy
stem. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-devi
&
gt; &g
t; ce con
figurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
<
BR> BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.
com/ W
WW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
; me
BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not ma
tter b
ut I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
g
t; Yes
, and I even reinsta
lled t
he firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware? <BR
>
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
wrote
:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a
worki
ng spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; R -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground a
nd the
blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
gt;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different. <BR
>
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
t
a
1
0k res
istor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
ed for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at
all ti
mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
&
gt; &g
t; tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
&g
t; >
;
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt; R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
&
gt; &g
t; the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
&
gt; De
pend
ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the co
lors a
re different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t
; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
g
t; Aft
er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
&
gt; &g
t; ;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
;
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produ
cts For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.
com <B
R>
-- XDP4000X-List message p
osted
by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that res
istor
should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
illing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below
are t
wo links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
BR
; you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
&
gt; &g
t; What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way b
ack wh
en:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodi
fied c
able will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best ab
out us
ing the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-6
06-628
1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets an
d the
C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a
cable
direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
&
gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers
and w
hat not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
>
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt D
rall
e
For reference, here is a messag
e from
Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cab
le sho
uld work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBo
x
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.c
om Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
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Ok, I went ahead andclipped thereset wire and nowthe PBactually works in my
system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changerinput any longer
(and it used to just fine)... Idid testand there is audio at the outputs of the
PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
I threw my cd changerback in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand sinc
e I al
ways used
the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
I
don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken inside
of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Drall
e dral
le@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that line
down and never letting anyone else init.
Matt
At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
it
split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB) plugged directly int
o the
Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up fin
e and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30: PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
<
BR>>
;
gt; g
t;Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
&
gt; ca
ble from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
it
was made by Phatnoise) or age o
f the
cable so I don't know how recent it has
been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
that
were made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equi
pment.
Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger sla
ve
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
pa
rticul
ar device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (lo
w nibb
le).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until i
t rece
ives an address from the HU. On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
so
;
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I did
n't re
ally get an answer back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microco
ntroll
er and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did <
BR> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
g
t;
;So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you pr
&g
t; >
; omise
on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the <B
R
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
d
iagram
you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
g
t;
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever <
BR>>
; it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
--
XDP400
0X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
>
; in <
BR> my
4000x
powers
down,
the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
<
BR>>
; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the versi
on of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp40
00x/So
nyCable5.pd
f
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
gt; g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are diffe
rent.
You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
g
t;
;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the
bus m
&g
t; >
;aster signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
g
t;
; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
&
gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're <B
R
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a ph
oto of
the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
s
ome <B
R information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only
and y
ou might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
gt;
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
gt; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using
7.0 S
ony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
g
t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly co
nnecte
d to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configuration
s. I'm
not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot
and t
hen shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should <
BR>>
; listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@m
atroni
cs.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air
craft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
gt;
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 vers
ion of
the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in <B
R my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
&
gt; &g
t; someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might f
ind <B
R you n
eed to inter
polate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
g
t;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
&
gt; t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
conne
ct
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmo
dified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
g
t; igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know be
st abo
ut using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
&
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
gt; suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a worki
ng spa
re Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
gt; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be differ
ent de
pendi
ng on
the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anyth
ing el
se, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We
chang
ed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
&
gt; <B
R> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable w
orks w
ith simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho <B
R
uld th
en force a reset after a
few s
econds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; <B
R
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
;
g
t;
gt;
; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower dow
n it s
eemed that they fixed that with a fir
mware
update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shut
s down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be
recogn
ized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At
07:27
PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets
and th
e C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
par
t with
for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information
on how
the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor be
tween
ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
gt; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
diffe
rent.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We chang
ed cab
le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if f
irmwar
e 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initial
ize it
self.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
g
t;
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as <B
R suggested
and the problem is stil
l ther
e... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
;
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: M
att Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
T
he
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
&
gt; cs
.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
;
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
co
nnect
&
gt; <B
R> a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t;
; gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device ini
tializ
ation. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
gt; <B
R Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
<
BR>
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the
Phatb
ox can still be recognize
d and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90
only
communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the
Phatbo
x-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending
on the
version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little <B
R
differen
t. <BR
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system. <B
R
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attach
ed a P
DF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
gt; work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is <BR
> the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
g
t;
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
s
u
ggest
ed
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody hel
p?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matron
ics.co
m
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
;
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phat
box Sa
id:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
;
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The <BR
>
connections are t
he sam
e but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
;
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
&
gt; t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regardi
ng pus
hing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http
://www
.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
gt;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Bo
x 347
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@mat
ronics
.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP
4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system
using
one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted
him t
he last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask
Matt.
Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
--- R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
BR
; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-Li
st mes
sage posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
<
BR>>
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted b
y: Mat
t Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com
&
gt; &g
t; /xdp40
00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For r
eferen
ce, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers s
ince M
att purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an
unmod
ified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master s
ignal.
It is an input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few
second
s. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dr
alle@m
atronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon
as th
e Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable dir
ect fr
om the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@
matron
ics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
BR
; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike W
oo at
Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when direc
tly co
nnected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
>
;
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm <BR
>
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can c
ontrol
it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatb
ox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
>
; and
the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X
-List
message posted by:
Matt
Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
;
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5
.pdf <
BR>
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
BR with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
&
gt; right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... a
s soon
as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k <B
R
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay
, here
's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information
on how
the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
;
SonyCable5.pdf
&g
t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors
are di
fferent. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
att
ached
a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
ed for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initial
ize it
self.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermor
e | CA
| 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
&g
t; Mat
t G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
<B
R
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but
I coul
d be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update
? Im n
ot
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
>
;
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
gt; plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister ins
t
alled
as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4
000X-L
ist message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
gt; Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matroni
cs.com
/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
;
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the bl
ue (bu
s master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when dir
ectly
connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox ha
s trou
ble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
g
t;
; to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed a
s
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
gt; 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
&g
t; >
;
BR -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Sa
id: <B
R>
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t; Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are diff
erent.
You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with
simpl
e multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during de
vice i
nitialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He
would
know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
<
BR>>
;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Live
rmore
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x wh
ich is
shut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know
what
to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system reset
s and
the C90 only communicates with the <
BR>>
; Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
BR
; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wi
red. N
ote that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation. <
BR>>
;
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoi
se way
back when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
<
BR>>
; The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmod
ified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boo
t and
then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
g
t;
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system
reset
s and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Ph
atbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
; Okay
, here's some help on thi
s cabl
e issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
gt; g
t;
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
<
BR> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Wo
o at P
hatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
&g
t; have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
ra
tions. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble know
ing wh
en is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
BR
; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
<
BR>
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-100
1 V |
925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
QUOTE
gt;
&
gt; &g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers up
fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C
30:
PB <BR
>
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
system without the PB.
&g
t; <BR
> Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbo
x is s
hut down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn
a
thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original PBcable
from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was
made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been
&g
t; made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
were
made before the modification was put in place.
g
t;
;I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first C
DChang
er slave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples: <B
R
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x
, inte
rnal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address
on th
e UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it w
ill re
set the bus (both a protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
asical
ly what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device
in th
e stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of th
e firs
t XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really g
et an
answer back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulat
or tha
t runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
two installations to see if the
probl
em is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
;
So you don't think the reset line in yo
ur dia
gram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my insta
llatio
ns, I am plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
A
t 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
rote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me wrote after I
contac
ted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmw
are up
date? Im not sure
i
f that
would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, a
nd I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it
is pl
ugged into the 400
0x whi
ch is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: b
obbybr
aun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still won
dering
if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
t; g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you <
BR> *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his ca
ble:
BR
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
gt; Us
&g
t; >
; e the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable ma
nufact
urers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t;
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed
descri
ption of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
co
nfigur
ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
gt;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
>
; is <
BR> the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should the
n forc
e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606
-6281
F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugg
ested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
woul
dn't m
ind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
&
gt; <B
R> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
;
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
; with
respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Sa
id: <B
R>
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are
the sa
me but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmw
are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmod
ified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used <B
R>
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
g
t; PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
gt; <B
R
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
h
ttp://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So f
rustra
ting, the C9
0 know
s the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I
find
it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 0
7:27 P
M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x <
BR>>
; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
hat <B
R someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dra
lle <B
R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to som
e
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
diff
erent.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If yo
u are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
; have
attached a PDF with a detailed descri
ption
of the connections
(So
nyCabl
e5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
gt; is
; the
right
time t
o initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still t
here.. <BR
>
. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn
't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&
gt;
BR Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
g
t;
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCab
le5.pd
f
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires
. I
have
attach
ed a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
;
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
PhatB
ox has tro
uble k
nowing when
is
the
right
time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
================================================================== <B
R>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know abou
t the
reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k
or so
should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing w
as tha
t in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
;
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all
to no
avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whe
never
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-
------
------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I
had t
he cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my <B
R 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still
wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dra
lle <B
R>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
g
t; g
t; inf
ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
&
gt;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
>
; g <B
R> t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
g
t;
;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-d
own th
e signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
; shou
ld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
@matro
nics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt; We
ll I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
gt; St
ill wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
BR
;
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original messa
ge ---
-----------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
gt; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox
-Cable
-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are y
ou using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connec
tions are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
g
t;
;gt; y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a r
eset a
fter a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW
| Fea
turing Products For Aircraft
==========================================
======
==================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics
.com/
WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still b
e reco
gnized and
gt; g
t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of
the S
ony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soo
n as t
he Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
&
gt; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are
two l
inks to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and
pin nu
mbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.c
om/xdp
4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might
be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
;
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF w
ith a
detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
wor
k
with any multi-device conf
igurat
io
ns. <B
R
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to in
itiali
ze itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon a
s the
Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
s
ince
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
r
unning out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
<
BR> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
gt; Wh
at Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
&g
t; >
; 4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
g
t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise wa
y back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
gt;
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
g
t;
; The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
;
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without
the pu
ll-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-60
6-6281
F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
; ====
==============================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V |
925-60
6-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt; <B
R>
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
g
t; the
Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I'v
e ever
tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
o
nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me wrote after I contac
ted hi
m the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
&
gt; Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
gt; g
t; --- <B
R From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled th
e firm
ware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware? <B
R
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4
000X-L
ist message posted b
y: bob
bybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
able d
irect from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
&g
t; t;
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Mat
t Foun
d on his cable:
http://www.matro
nics.c
om/xdp4000x/U
nilink
-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed
cable
ma
nufact
urers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is
with t
he bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used
BR
; for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94
551 <B
R> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Ema
il
h
ttp://
www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someon
e
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
runnin
;
g out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
;
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http:
/
/www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
&
gt; Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable man
ufactu
rers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi
-devic
e
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with th
e bus
master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
&
gt; Mi
ke"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@
matron
ics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircra
ft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware an
d did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it
odd t
hat the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
shut d
own when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-
- XDP4
000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resist
or sho
uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here.
Can a
nybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
gt; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
Note
the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
<B
R>
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use t
he dra
wing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to h
ave op
erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We chan
ged ca
ble manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The
numbe
rs can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware
5.00
and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the
bus m
aster signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
g
t; sho
uld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
&g
t; gt;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; <B
R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox
.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
pa
rt wit
h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
ru
nning
out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
BR
; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt
Found
on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
BR
; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way ba
ck whe
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They c
an be
seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-devi
ce con
figurations. <
BR>>
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
wever,
you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matr
onics.
com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircr
aft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable.
Here's
what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
; me
BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware up
date?
Im not sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message ---
------
-----
From: bobbybraun@comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
g
t; Yes
, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x
which
is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&g
t;
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
wrote
:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
; Phat
box.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they'
re wil
ling to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; <B
R -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *wil
l
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
>
; link
s are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
gt;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware
(upgra
deable through PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
t
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b <B
R
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodifi
ed cab
le works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at
all ti
mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should li
sten
BR to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
&
gt; Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k oh
ms ins
tead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
<BR
>
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt; <B
R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor
betwe
en ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending
on th
e version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depend
ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Son
y firm
ware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have
operat
ional issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
g
t;
; PhatBox connector.
>
; An u
nmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
g
t; Aft
er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, yo
u shou
ld listen to
M
att regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
;
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produ
cts Fo
&
gt;r A
ircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message p
osted
by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Are you running the 7.0 vers <
BR>>
; ion of
the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun@comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
illing
to
part with for some
cash,
or a photo of the bo
ttom o
f a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
BR <B
R> ; you n
eed
to int
erpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Dral
le <BR
>
g
t;
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
gt; <B
R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm n
ot sur
e if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
&
gt; <B
R>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001
V | 92
5-6
06-628
1 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with
a wor
king spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn'
t mind
me using to get myself a
cable
direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE@MATRONICS.COM>
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
BR
; and what not might be differe
nt dep
ending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
littl
e
with respect to colors and pin numbers
and w
hat not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are go
ing to
have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a messag
e from
Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons <B
R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
<
BR> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if fi
rmware
6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
wever,
you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt
G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
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