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1. 12:49 AM - Re: Install (bobbybraun@comcast.net)
2. 02:07 AM - Re: Install (bobbybraun)
3. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: Install (Scott Thibault)
4. 10:19 AM - Re: Install (bobbybraun)
5. 03:27 PM - Re: XT-40V Issue (Roland M)
6. 03:29 PM - Re: Re: Installation/Shops (Roland M)
7. 03:31 PM - Re: DVX-100 and XA-118 (Roland M)
8. 03:45 PM - Re: Install (Roland M)
9. 04:00 PM - Re: xa-300 (Roland M)
10. 04:17 PM - Re: Re: Install (Roland M)
11. 05:24 PM - Re: Install (Scott Thibault)
12. 05:32 PM - Re: xa-300 (Scott Thibault)
13. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: Install (Scott Thibault)
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For some reason my last email response was lost, but anyways here goes another
try...
The 4000x needs a constant connection to the battery. The changers and whatever
else is in the Unilink chain is powered from the 4000x's power supply, of which
constant power is necessary for certain changer functions that continue even
after a power down.
Even worse, if the 4000x does not have a constant supply of power, there will be
a slight delay caused by the turning on of the C90 first, which will send a
remote signal to the TIDD10 to finally supply power to the 4000x. This delay
will cause the C90 to think it's alone in the unilink chain at first, and once
the 4000x powers up the C90 will see it and do a system reset, power everything
in the chain down and up again to sense what is connected in the chain.
This is probably not good for any of the equipment in the chain, and at the very
least is an annoyance watching the C90 power up, then down, then back up again
every time you turn the system on. Years ago I had a bonehead installer put
my system in my car just like this, then I had to go in there and fix it up
myself... Sure learned my lesson.
Anyways, I hope I didn't confuse you any more than you were when you started, this
is a hard topic to put into words. Best of luck!
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no this was exactly what I needed to know answers a lot of questions thanks. my
only other question was can I install the XA-300 on the same unilink chain between
the cdx-c90 and the xdp-4000x? I dont know if it would be better to make
a direct connection from the c90 to 4000x. my concern is that I am over loading
the changer port on the xdp. on that port will be my dvd dvx-100/xt-40v/xa-300.
will this be an issue? Thanks for your help I appreciate it.
For some reason my last email response was lost, but anyways here goes another
try...
The 4000x needs a constant connection to the battery. The changers and whatever
else is in the Unilink chain is powered from the 4000x's power supply, of which
constant power is necessary for certain changer functions that continue even
after a power down.
Even worse, if the 4000x does not have a constant supply of power, there will be
a slight delay caused by the turning on of the C90 first, which will send a
remote signal to the TIDD10 to finally supply power to the 4000x. This delay will
cause the C90 to think it's alone in the unilink chain at first, and once
the 4000x powers up the C90 will see it and do a system reset, power everything
in the chain down and up again to sense what is connected in the chain.
This is probably not good for any of the equipment in the chain, and at the very
least is an annoyance watching the C90 power up, then down, then back up again
every time you turn the system on. Years ago I had a bonehead installer put
my system in my car just like this, then I had to go in there and fix it up myself...
Sure learned my lesson.
Anyways, I hope I didn't confuse you any more than you were when you started, this
is a hard topic to put into words. Best of luck!
Bobby
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I do not believe the 4000x will function properly unless it is hooked up first
in line with the C90. But keep in mind that I'm saying this having never tried
using anything in the Unilink chain in front of the 4000x, plus I do not have
any video equipment in my system.
Regardless, having everything hooked up from the 4000x should be just fine. In
reality you're only powering the XA-300 auxillary input adapter and your DVX-100
DVD changer off of the Unilink system, since the XT-40V requires it's own
power supply and will draw the necessary current from a direct connection made
to the battery.
If you hooked up the XA-300 from the 4000x first, and from there the XT-40V and
then lastly the DVX-100, I believe the 4000x's unilink system would only be powering
the XA-300, while the externally powered XT-40V's Unilink system would
be powering your DVD changer. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong,
I've never used any of this equipment and am going off of my own experiences.
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>
>Well I am in the midst of installing my system finally and relized that I
>am missing a cable. I guess that I need a RC-70 Cable to connect my XT-40V
>to a Screen. I can not find this anywhere at all. if someone has one or
>knows where I can get one I would greatly appreciate it. I am not sure what
>I am going to do if I cant find one. I dont know what the replacement part
>is or even if there is one.
>
It's very difficult to find this cable/dongle, especially these days.
Crutchfield used to sell these for ages after the XT-40V was discontinued
but I'm not sure if they would still have it. RC-70 is what you're looking
for if you want RCA audio/video output, but it is very hard to find. Most
people make their own.
I'm unsure if that 8 pin dongle you listed would work, but it may at least
let you extract some of the signals, if the DIN connection is right. The
connectors just might be wrong (e.g. left audio turns out to be video or
something). Or in a worse case the lines are altogether messed up (e.g. two
grounds in a single RCA out, insted of ground + signal).
On the 40V, the jack will output digital signals as well, as I recall (or at
least non-standard video) but only if the selector switch is set to "LCD"
(or monitor or something) instead of "CRT" or "TV". So you want to make
sure the selector is in the analog position before beginning.
Roland M.
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| Subject: | Re: Installation/Shops |
>
>I am in the process of getting some unilink cables and was wondering if the
>following will work. I know you stated the placement on the unilink bus is
>not important as log as I dont plug 2 inputs or outputs together. it will
>be head unit ---- xa-300---- XDP-4000x being as this is he main link from
>head to crossover this wont cause an issue will it? this will also enable
>me to plug the TV tuner on the changer link between XDP and DVX. This will
>also cut down on the cables running to and from the back. my main goal if I
>can find the RC-70 is to have my c90 display on the xav screen.
>
The above sounds like it will work fine. Or it should anyway, strange
things have been known to happen.
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| Subject: | DVX-100 and XA-118 |
>
>Since the XDP-4000x doesnt decode Dolby can the optic out still be used? if
>it is do I still hook up the audio RCA's on the XA-118 or just the digital
>cable?
>
On the DVX-100? No, unfortunately it cannot. The reason being the
"pin"/signal that sets the analog/digital out bit for the *UniLink*
architecture is probably permanently set to analog in the XA-118. The only
way you'd be able to use the digital out would be to hardware mod the XA-118
to make it tell the XDP it's in digital out mode; then, use the DVX-100s
optical out, setting it to PCM output only.
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>From: "tbone7467" <tbone7467@yahoo.com>
>To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>Subject: XDP4000X-List: Install
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:51:17 -0700
>
>
>it is amazing how one piece of equiptment can cause so many headaches. I
>got the TIDD10 to make installtion a breeze and I think it is giving me
>more headaches. I was under the assumption that it would power everything I
>have in a round about way it does i guess. It wont power the amps due to
>the draw from he amps. it wont supply constant power, so I guess I need to
>know what needs constant power. the CDX-C90 does but I am not sure about
>the XDP-4000X.
>
What exactly is a TIDD10??? Are you trying to use these products outside of
a mobile environment? Not a good idea for the amps (as you've discovered)
at the very least...
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>
>I have a few questions about the XA-300. How do you enable the xa-300 to
>play alternate sources? Like say I wire the dvd player up to the xdp using
>the xa118 and the digital out can I run the audio rca's from the xa-118 to
>the xa-300. will I still be able to play the radio while my son watches the
>dvd and listen to it using the xa-300 an headsets.
>
As stated in the other email I sent to the list, you won't be able to use
the digital out onthe DVX-100/XA-118 combination.
You can't connect the DVX-100 to both the XA-118 and the XA-300 because
connecting the XA-118 disables any stand-alone functionality of the DVX-100
(other than the DVD controls anyway). So you can only use the DVX-100 when
the XA-118 is selected (when the DVX-100 is selected as the source unit on
the HU). If you wanted the DVX-100 to be independent then the XA-118 is of
no use to you and it's better if you went without it.
The XA-300 does not add any kind of "simultaneous" or "dual zone"
functionality to UniLink head units, but you can use the headphones output
as you describe. Whatever you input to the one analog RCA input on the
XA-300 (can't remember which one it is but it's tied to the headphones out
anyway) will always be output on the headphones jack, regardless of whether
the XA-300 is active on the bus (and even regardless of what input is active
on it).
To get to the end result you want (son watches/listens to DVD while you
listen to the radio), you'd have to ditch the XA-118 in this install and
then connect it to the XA-300 instead, using the headphones tied input.
Then the DVX-100 would be independent and the XA-300 would always output
it's audio from the headphones port on it, as well.
Alternately you could use the SIMULT feature on the XT-40V which would let
you listen to CD or a changer while a TV tuner or video program were
selected for the monitor output of the 40V. However tuner operation is not
allowed during this. This feature is also fairly pointless as well, as you
could just use alternate video inputs on the monitor (all monitors these
days have more than one really) to accomplish that, and not route A/V
through the 40V at all.
I'm wondering if you don't have a few too many components than you need
here, to accomplish what you want for the end result?
(From your posts, I'm getting that you have the HU, an XDP, a DVX-100 w/
XA-118, an XA-300, and monitor(s), is that correct?)
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>From: Scott Thibault <tbone7467@yahoo.com>
>To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com, bobbybraun@comcast.net
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Re: Install
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:14:52 -0700 (PDT)
>
>no this was exactly what I needed to know answers a lot of questions
>thanks. my only other question was can I install the XA-300 on the same
>unilink chain between the cdx-c90 and the xdp-4000x? I dont know if it
>would be better to make a direct connection from the c90 to 4000x. my
>concern is that I am over loading the changer port on the xdp. on that port
>will be my dvd dvx-100/xt-40v/xa-300. will this be an issue? Thanks for
>your help I appreciate it.
>
You should be able to go HU --> XA-300 --> XDP no problem. Theoretically it
should work fine this way but there have been known to be issues mixing or
ordering certain UniLink gear in certain ways. These are exceptions of how
things are *supposed* to work though, so again it should work. If it
doesn't then you'll have to hook it up differently.
You won't overload the changer port I don't think. The XT-40V uses it's own
power connection (it isn't bus powered) and I believe it also holds up it's
pass-through UniLink port using that power as well (could be wrong but it
would make sense). The XDP does the same--it isn't bus powered.
The DVX-100 shouldn't draw any more than a changer, if it did they would
have made the XA-118 with a separate power connection as well. XA-300 is
even less power than a changer I'm sure, so not a problem there. Units
connected on the bus do not require that much current when they are
inactive, and devices are usually not active at the same time (except for
some rare instances of CD-checking, etc.). Even with multiple devices doing
checking for a short time, while one plays, the system was all designed with
that in mind.
There's not really a way for you to overload any one port in the system
easily. If more devices were present an MCA would be used and then that
would provide current for the devices connected to it. The only thing I
could think of that would cause that is trying to attach more than one
pass-through capable device to one changer port chain. The only way I can
think you could do that would be with multiple XA-107 or XA-300 units;
however connecting more than one of those (particularly the 300) will likely
lock/shut down the bus anyway because only one is supposed to be
enumerated/used on the bus. All other combinations will always end with the
device or have a device in the chain which is separately connected to power,
aside from the BUS.
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Roland M <mdx400@hotmail.com> wrote:
>From: "tbone7467"
>To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com
>Subject: XDP4000X-List: Install
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:51:17 -0700
>
>
>it is amazing how one piece of equiptment can cause so many headaches. I
>got the TIDD10 to make installtion a breeze and I think it is giving me
>more headaches. I was under the assumption that it would power everything I
>have in a round about way it does i guess. It wont power the amps due to
>the draw from he amps. it wont supply constant power, so I guess I need to
>know what needs constant power. the CDX-C90 does but I am not sure about
>the XDP-4000X.
>
What exactly is a TIDD10??? Are you trying to use these products outside of
a mobile environment? Not a good idea for the amps (as you've discovered)
at the very least...
Roland M.
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I am thinking I made this install a little to difficult myself. hahaha that is
all the fun.
CDX-C90
XAV-7W
XA-300
DVX-100
XM-7557
XM7527
XDP-4000X
PHOENIX GOLD TIDD10
PHOENIX GOLD POWERCORE
XT-40V
XVM-H6
This is the complete list of stuff.
Roland M <mdx400@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I have a few questions about the XA-300. How do you enable the xa-300 to
>play alternate sources? Like say I wire the dvd player up to the xdp using
>the xa118 and the digital out can I run the audio rca's from the xa-118 to
>the xa-300. will I still be able to play the radio while my son watches the
>dvd and listen to it using the xa-300 an headsets.
>
As stated in the other email I sent to the list, you won't be able to use
the digital out onthe DVX-100/XA-118 combination.
You can't connect the DVX-100 to both the XA-118 and the XA-300 because
connecting the XA-118 disables any stand-alone functionality of the DVX-100
(other than the DVD controls anyway). So you can only use the DVX-100 when
the XA-118 is selected (when the DVX-100 is selected as the source unit on
the HU). If you wanted the DVX-100 to be independent then the XA-118 is of
no use to you and it's better if you went without it.
The XA-300 does not add any kind of "simultaneous" or "dual zone"
functionality to UniLink head units, but you can use the headphones output
as you describe. Whatever you input to the one analog RCA input on the
XA-300 (can't remember which one it is but it's tied to the headphones out
anyway) will always be output on the headphones jack, regardless of whether
the XA-300 is active on the bus (and even regardless of what input is active
on it).
To get to the end result you want (son watches/listens to DVD while you
listen to the radio), you'd have to ditch the XA-118 in this install and
then connect it to the XA-300 instead, using the headphones tied input.
Then the DVX-100 would be independent and the XA-300 would always output
it's audio from the headphones port on it, as well.
Alternately you could use the SIMULT feature on the XT-40V which would let
you listen to CD or a changer while a TV tuner or video program were
selected for the monitor output of the 40V. However tuner operation is not
allowed during this. This feature is also fairly pointless as well, as you
could just use alternate video inputs on the monitor (all monitors these
days have more than one really) to accomplish that, and not route A/V
through the 40V at all.
I'm wondering if you don't have a few too many components than you need
here, to accomplish what you want for the end result?
(From your posts, I'm getting that you have the HU, an XDP, a DVX-100 w/
XA-118, an XA-300, and monitor(s), is that correct?)
Roland M.
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Thanks for the info. to bypass any issues I am going to connect it like this I
guess:
CDX-C90--------XDP-400X
Then
XDP-4000X-----------XA-300-------------XT-40V----------DVX-100
Seems the easiet less hassle installation.
Roland M <mdx400@hotmail.com> wrote:
>From: Scott Thibault
>To: xdp4000x-list@matronics.com, bobbybraun@comcast.net
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Re: Install
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:14:52 -0700 (PDT)
>
>no this was exactly what I needed to know answers a lot of questions
>thanks. my only other question was can I install the XA-300 on the same
>unilink chain between the cdx-c90 and the xdp-4000x? I dont know if it
>would be better to make a direct connection from the c90 to 4000x. my
>concern is that I am over loading the changer port on the xdp. on that port
>will be my dvd dvx-100/xt-40v/xa-300. will this be an issue? Thanks for
>your help I appreciate it.
>
You should be able to go HU --> XA-300 --> XDP no problem. Theoretically it
should work fine this way but there have been known to be issues mixing or
ordering certain UniLink gear in certain ways. These are exceptions of how
things are *supposed* to work though, so again it should work. If it
doesn't then you'll have to hook it up differently.
You won't overload the changer port I don't think. The XT-40V uses it's own
power connection (it isn't bus powered) and I believe it also holds up it's
pass-through UniLink port using that power as well (could be wrong but it
would make sense). The XDP does the same--it isn't bus powered.
The DVX-100 shouldn't draw any more than a changer, if it did they would
have made the XA-118 with a separate power connection as well. XA-300 is
even less power than a changer I'm sure, so not a problem there. Units
connected on the bus do not require that much current when they are
inactive, and devices are usually not active at the same time (except for
some rare instances of CD-checking, etc.). Even with multiple devices doing
checking for a short time, while one plays, the system was all designed with
that in mind.
There's not really a way for you to overload any one port in the system
easily. If more devices were present an MCA would be used and then that
would provide current for the devices connected to it. The only thing I
could think of that would cause that is trying to attach more than one
pass-through capable device to one changer port chain. The only way I can
think you could do that would be with multiple XA-107 or XA-300 units;
however connecting more than one of those (particularly the 300) will likely
lock/shut down the bus anyway because only one is supposed to be
enumerated/used on the bus. All other combinations will always end with the
device or have a device in the chain which is separately connected to power,
aside from the BUS.
Roland M.
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