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1. 12:07 AM - Red Star 2003 (Drew Blahnick)
2. 04:49 AM - two aircraft for sale (Brian Lloyd)
3. 06:26 AM - Re: Red Star 2003 (Busch, Mike)
4. 06:45 AM - Re: Red Star 2003 (Drew Blahnick)
5. 06:51 AM - Re: Red Star 2003 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
6. 07:01 AM - Re: Red Star 2003 (Busch, Mike)
7. 07:46 AM - Re: two aircraft for sale (Ernie)
8. 08:54 AM - Re: two aircraft for sale (Brian Lloyd)
9. 09:28 AM - Re: two aircraft for sale (Mark Schrick)
10. 01:05 PM - Yak accident (Drew Blahnick)
11. 02:37 PM - Sea Fest 2003 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
12. 02:48 PM - Re: Sea Fest 2003 (Ernie)
13. 03:16 PM - Re: Yak accident (BUTLER, FRANCIS)
14. 03:47 PM - Re: Yak accident (Richard Basiliere)
15. 03:59 PM - Re: Yak accident (Ernie)
16. 04:04 PM - Re: Three CJs and "0" time overhauled engines for sale (Andrew Zheng \(China\))
17. 04:20 PM - Re: Fuel Transfer (Doug Thayer)
18. 05:09 PM - Re: Yak accident (Brian Lloyd)
19. 06:39 PM - Re: Yak accident (Drew Blahnick)
20. 08:02 PM - Re: Yak accident (KingCJ6@aol.com)
21. 08:17 PM - Re: Yak accident (Drew Blahnick)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
Folks,
Due to a conflict with another Western Event, this years All Red Star Gathering
at Castle Airport, Atwater, CA. has been moved one week, and will be held May
7th through May 11th.
The website below, under 'current operations' will have the latest information
as the date grows closer.
Drew Allen Blahnick
310.386.9181
www.allredstar.com
California Condors Squadron
"Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | two aircraft for sale |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
As I continue to shuffle my life around I have decided to sell one and
maybe two of my aircraft.
First, my 1965 Piper Aztec is for sale. I don't fly it enough to justify
keeping it and it will just rot down here if I do. With one new engine,
one top overhaul, and new avionics just over a year ago it is a very nice
airplane for someone who wants a very comfortable load hauler.
I am also seriously considering selling The Project to buy a Yak-52. The
project is a 1967 CJ6A that is currently undergoing a complete ground-up
restoration in California. No expense has been spared to ensure that the
airframe and pneumatic systems are as good or better than new. The
electrical system has been removed and discarded and a new, modern
electrical system (alternator, Tefzel wiring, etc.) will replace
it. Current plans are to replace the Chinese "steam gauges" with a glass
cockpit (both seats) but if someone is interested in this aircraft we can
install anything they prefer. Frankly, all electronic engine
instrumentation with aural alerting strikes me as being more desirable than
the standard "when the prop goes to high pitch you know you lost your oil
pressure 20 seconds ago" system of aural alerting provided by the Chinese.
The aircraft has a zero-time first-run overhauled M14P with a three-blade
250cm MT prop. This engine/prop combination, proper rigging, and the low
weight of modern instruments and electrics should make this airplane a real
fire breather.
So if someone is interested in an aircraft in which no expense has been
spared and they would like the opportunity to decide what the final product
looks like, this is for you. I am *NOT* selling this as a project to
someone else. I will finish the airplane. I am offering it now so that
someone can get it finished with the details done the way they want instead
of having to settle for someone else's idea of a final product.
Why am I doing this? Well, I am interested in going further with
aerobatics than the CJ6A will take me. The Yak-52 strikes me as a good
platform for continuing on to the intermediate level of aerobatic
skill. Besides, I get tired of spending an hour on cleanup after 15
seconds of slow-roll.
And please don't try to sell me your Yak-52 (yet). I will be in the market
only after The Project is sold. Heck, no one may want The Project and I
may be stuck with the less-desirable CJ6A. ;-)
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Ste 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 +1.360.838.9669
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Busch, Mike" <MBusch@CirrusDesign.com>
Will there be any kind of gathering of red stars at this year's Sun n Fun in
Lakeland FL the 1st week in April?
Mike Busch
-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Blahnick [mailto:aapilot@adelphia.net]
Subject: Yak-List: Red Star 2003
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
Folks,
Due to a conflict with another Western Event, this years All Red Star
Gathering at Castle Airport, Atwater, CA. has been moved one week, and will
be held May 7th through May 11th.
The website below, under 'current operations' will have the latest
information as the date grows closer.
Drew Allen Blahnick
310.386.9181
www.allredstar.com
California Condors Squadron
"Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
The Yak Pilots Association is holding a formation clinic prior to SnF!
Please hit the YPA website for specific details.
Drew
Drew Allen Blahnick
310.386.9181
www.allredstar.com
California Condors Squadron
"Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Busch, Mike" <MBusch@cirrusdesign.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Red Star 2003
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Busch, Mike" <MBusch@CirrusDesign.com>
>
> Will there be any kind of gathering of red stars at this year's Sun n Fun
in
> Lakeland FL the 1st week in April?
> Mike Busch
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Blahnick [mailto:aapilot@adelphia.net]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Red Star 2003
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
>
> Folks,
>
> Due to a conflict with another Western Event, this years All Red Star
> Gathering at Castle Airport, Atwater, CA. has been moved one week, and
will
> be held May 7th through May 11th.
>
> The website below, under 'current operations' will have the latest
> information as the date grows closer.
>
>
> Drew Allen Blahnick
> 310.386.9181
> www.allredstar.com
> California Condors Squadron
> "Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Red Star 2003 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 1/10/2003 9:26:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
MBusch@cirrusdesign.com writes:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Busch, Mike" <MBusch@CirrusDesign.com>
>
> Will there be any kind of gathering of red stars at this year's Sun n Fun
> in
> Lakeland FL the 1st week in April?
> Mike Busch
Oh yes! However its a different kind of set up.
There will be a formation clinic which will carry on though the show dates.
A lot of the instructor and checkpilots that would be at Red Star will be
there also.
However the main reason to be there is to support the EAAWB part of the show
and show off our formation skills.
Visit the exhibits and other sights and have the Warbird awards dinner at
Kirmit Weeks' place PLUS the Leeward Flyout.
We have fun.
Check the (www.yakpilots.org) web site.
Jim Goolsby
cjpilot710@aol.com
386-467-3313 voice
386-467-3193 fax
386-503-9820cell
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Busch, Mike" <MBusch@CirrusDesign.com>
Thanks!
Mike Busch
-----Original Message-----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com [mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Red Star 2003
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 1/10/2003 9:26:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
MBusch@cirrusdesign.com writes:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Busch, Mike" <MBusch@CirrusDesign.com>
>
> Will there be any kind of gathering of red stars at this year's Sun n Fun
> in
> Lakeland FL the 1st week in April?
> Mike Busch
Oh yes! However its a different kind of set up.
There will be a formation clinic which will carry on though the show dates.
A lot of the instructor and checkpilots that would be at Red Star will be
there also.
However the main reason to be there is to support the EAAWB part of the show
and show off our formation skills.
Visit the exhibits and other sights and have the Warbird awards dinner at
Kirmit Weeks' place PLUS the Leeward Flyout.
We have fun.
Check the (www.yakpilots.org) web site.
Jim Goolsby
cjpilot710@aol.com
386-467-3313 voice
386-467-3193 fax
386-503-9820cell
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
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| Subject: | Re: two aircraft for sale |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Less Desirable!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Yak-List: two aircraft for sale
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> As I continue to shuffle my life around I have decided to sell one and
> maybe two of my aircraft.
>
> First, my 1965 Piper Aztec is for sale. I don't fly it enough to justify
> keeping it and it will just rot down here if I do. With one new engine,
> one top overhaul, and new avionics just over a year ago it is a very nice
> airplane for someone who wants a very comfortable load hauler.
>
> I am also seriously considering selling The Project to buy a Yak-52. The
> project is a 1967 CJ6A that is currently undergoing a complete ground-up
> restoration in California. No expense has been spared to ensure that the
> airframe and pneumatic systems are as good or better than new. The
> electrical system has been removed and discarded and a new, modern
> electrical system (alternator, Tefzel wiring, etc.) will replace
> it. Current plans are to replace the Chinese "steam gauges" with a glass
> cockpit (both seats) but if someone is interested in this aircraft we can
> install anything they prefer. Frankly, all electronic engine
> instrumentation with aural alerting strikes me as being more desirable
than
> the standard "when the prop goes to high pitch you know you lost your oil
> pressure 20 seconds ago" system of aural alerting provided by the Chinese.
>
> The aircraft has a zero-time first-run overhauled M14P with a three-blade
> 250cm MT prop. This engine/prop combination, proper rigging, and the low
> weight of modern instruments and electrics should make this airplane a
real
> fire breather.
>
> So if someone is interested in an aircraft in which no expense has been
> spared and they would like the opportunity to decide what the final
product
> looks like, this is for you. I am *NOT* selling this as a project to
> someone else. I will finish the airplane. I am offering it now so that
> someone can get it finished with the details done the way they want
instead
> of having to settle for someone else's idea of a final product.
>
> Why am I doing this? Well, I am interested in going further with
> aerobatics than the CJ6A will take me. The Yak-52 strikes me as a good
> platform for continuing on to the intermediate level of aerobatic
> skill. Besides, I get tired of spending an hour on cleanup after 15
> seconds of slow-roll.
>
> And please don't try to sell me your Yak-52 (yet). I will be in the
market
> only after The Project is sold. Heck, no one may want The Project and I
> may be stuck with the less-desirable CJ6A. ;-)
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Ste 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 +1.360.838.9669
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: two aircraft for sale |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Ernie wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Less Desirable!!!
Gotcha!
Actually, both airplanes are superior in their own way. For flying upside-down,
doing hammerheads, or snap rolls the CJ6A is definitely less desirable.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | two aircraft for sale |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net>
> Less Desirable!!!
No Brian..........I think you were correct the first time....
Just joking guys!!!!!! Just joking !!!!!!
Mark "Shrek" Schrick
Yak 52W
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Subject: Re: Yak-List: two aircraft for sale
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Ernie wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Less Desirable!!!
Gotcha!
Actually, both airplanes are superior in their own way. For flying
upside-down,
doing hammerheads, or snap rolls the CJ6A is definitely less desirable.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
Yesterday I spoke with the owner of a Yak 3 at Chino heading to the Parker airshow,
he was looking forward to the event, and we spoke of the free gas and lodging
provided for his participation. Watching him takeoff with a P-51 was one
heck of a site. He was still very new to the aircraft and I had hoped he would
attend Red Star for the opportunity to learn and train with others in this type
of aircraft (he was invited last year when he first began flying his Yak 3).
Unfortunately Barry just informed me he heard the pilot crashed at Parker on landing.
He's alive, significantly injured, but we don't know any details on his
condition.
As we plan for this event (Red Star 03), I sometimes wonder why a wealthy individual
who purchased or spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on a heavy metal
warbird or Jet would ever spend their own money on gas/jet fuel to attend a training
fly-in, since it lacks the glamour and freebies found on the airshow curcuit.
This is why.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
My only comment on the mishap flight, and it has no bearing with the mishap itself,
is from the briefing. Compared to what I've now grown accostomed to with
this community, there was a lack of kinship here (if I can use that term) manifested
in brevity, not from flying together, but from a lack of flying together.
The mentality was more of (not said, but implied), "you own a heavy metal
warbird, you should know what you're doing, so let's turn and burn, two's job
is to be there, see ya on 35.95". It was a milk run, but knowing the formation
experience of this pilot and his time in type, it made you think...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From $350,000 L-39s, to $400,000 classic Yaks to $80,000 CJs, low to moderately
experienced pilots purchase their dream aircraft, obtain a limited amount of
training and then look towards airshows and the opportunities to operate their
complex equipment 'for free' (so to speak). From my vantage point here, having
spoken with folks at Oshkosh, Reno and here at Chino, the more expensive the
warbird, the less time is spent training and becoming trully proficient. We
can understand that based on operating costs, but sometimes that old saying,
"pay me now or pay me later" really does apply.
At Red Star 2002 we broke all expectations on attendance for the Military Trainer
catagory, thanks to you all. Yet we had 1 Yak 11, 2 L-39s and an L-29 looking
for, or ready to provide, training opportunities for other pilots in like
aircraft. And I know those aircraft and their pilots are right here in the Western
Region, we almost lost one yesterday. Perhaps if Red Stars had a major
corperate fuel sponsor folks would show for training, but that's unlikely without
also bringing in the crowds and removing the focused training element.
Without a major fuel sponsor, our only incentive is a pilots own sense of preservation
and to make Red Star fun, and as I was told yesterday by the symbolic
mayor of Atwater who also runs the FBO, the differance between the CAF and RED
STARS (both hold events at Castle AFB) is "those red star pilots know how to
have fun"... I hope the infection spreads...
I moved the dates of Red Star 03 ( now May 7 to May 11) to avoid conflict with
a major Western Warbird event, in the hopes local warbird pilots flying our unique
aircraft would see the cost-benefit in getting out of town and training for
a few days, forgetting about crowds, multi-ship air schedules, airshow air
bosses and the like. I also believe that pilots of these heavy metal Red Star
aircraft will feel more welcome among you all, your teamwork, cooperative nature
and "let's just get good at this" attitude last year was really impressive.
Put another way, I was searching for, and never saw, the stuffy, "holier than
though" , "this is an exclusive club" mentality which drives some to go it
alone, or to participate just on a minimal level.
If you know of pilots who own this type of equipment out here, send them an invite,
or this e-mail.
Many of you are on our e-mail list and yesterday/today recieved a Red Star 2003
announcement e-mail directly, if you are thinking of attending Red Star this
year, and did NOT get a direct e-mail sent to you on the event, please e-mail
me directly so I can add you to our e-mail list, this will help in early planning
and direct e-mail updates..
Drew Allen Blahnick & Barry Hancock
310.386.9181
www.allredstar.com
"Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Gang, (Mostly swamp & bog trotters and gator baits in Florida)
A guy has approached me about setting up a formation flyby for the "Sea Fest"
on March 29. Not sure of all details, but its the Saturday just before S&F
and I believe it around the West Palm area.
Anyone interested? I'll coordinate if we get enough folks.
Jim Goolsby
cjpilot710@aol.com
386-467-3313 voice
386-467-3193 fax
386-503-9820cell
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
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| Subject: | Re: Sea Fest 2003 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Sure I'll go
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Sea Fest 2003
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> Gang, (Mostly swamp & bog trotters and gator baits in Florida)
>
> A guy has approached me about setting up a formation flyby for the "Sea
Fest"
> on March 29. Not sure of all details, but its the Saturday just before
S&F
> and I believe it around the West Palm area.
>
> Anyone interested? I'll coordinate if we get enough folks.
>
> Jim Goolsby
> cjpilot710@aol.com
> 386-467-3313 voice
> 386-467-3193 fax
> 386-503-9820cell
>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin 1759
> "With my shield, or on it"
> Trojan Warriors BC
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "BUTLER, FRANCIS" <FRANCIS_BUTLER@butler-machinery.com>
So how would training at Redstar with a single seat Yak 3 help that driver with
a landing at Parker? I think if you go check the Yak accident stats most of
them involve retired military, ATP's,Commercial tickets and flight instructers.
Plenty of expirience there. Just because a guy has a few bucks does not mean
he is an incompetent pilot. Safety is an attitude not specific to a number
of hours of dual or PIC time or having miltary training.
I started flying my Yak 50 with 10 hours of Champ time. (had to buy the Champ,
because no-one provides tailwheel aircraft for duel in my part of the country)
Is someone telling me that Redstar would have provided training for my Yak
50? How does formation training help a guy on landing a Yak 3? I attended the
Yak event in Nebraska in 2001 just for one day because I was told I couldn't
participate in any training due to haveing a single seat Yak 50. How's a guy
going to get type specific training or FAST training with a single seat ship?
A Yak 3 may be my next aircraft.
F.Butler
Yak 50
-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Blahnick [mailto:aapilot@adelphia.net]
Subject: Yak-List: Yak accident
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
Yesterday I spoke with the owner of a Yak 3 at Chino heading to the Parker airshow,
he was looking forward to the event, and we spoke of the free gas and lodging
provided for his participation. Watching him takeoff with a P-51 was one
heck of a site. He was still very new to the aircraft and I had hoped he would
attend Red Star for the opportunity to learn and train with others in this type
of aircraft (he was invited last year when he first began flying his Yak 3).
Unfortunately Barry just informed me he heard the pilot crashed at Parker on landing.
He's alive, significantly injured, but we don't know any details on his
condition.
As we plan for this event (Red Star 03), I sometimes wonder why a wealthy individual
who purchased or spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on a heavy metal
warbird or Jet would ever spend their own money on gas/jet fuel to attend a training
fly-in, since it lacks the glamour and freebies found on the airshow curcuit.
This is why.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
My only comment on the mishap flight, and it has no bearing with the mishap itself,
is from the briefing. Compared to what I've now grown accostomed to with
this community, there was a lack of kinship here (if I can use that term) manifested
in brevity, not from flying together, but from a lack of flying together.
The mentality was more of (not said, but implied), "you own a heavy metal
warbird, you should know what you're doing, so let's turn and burn, two's job
is to be there, see ya on 35.95". It was a milk run, but knowing the formation
experience of this pilot and his time in type, it made you think...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From $350,000 L-39s, to $400,000 classic Yaks to $80,000 CJs, low to moderately
experienced pilots purchase their dream aircraft, obtain a limited amount of
training and then look towards airshows and the opportunities to operate their
complex equipment 'for free' (so to speak). From my vantage point here, having
spoken with folks at Oshkosh, Reno and here at Chino, the more expensive the
warbird, the less time is spent training and becoming trully proficient. We
can understand that based on operating costs, but sometimes that old saying,
"pay me now or pay me later" really does apply.
At Red Star 2002 we broke all expectations on attendance for the Military Trainer
catagory, thanks to you all. Yet we had 1 Yak 11, 2 L-39s and an L-29 looking
for, or ready to provide, training opportunities for other pilots in like
aircraft. And I know those aircraft and their pilots are right here in the Western
Region, we almost lost one yesterday. Perhaps if Red Stars had a major
corperate fuel sponsor folks would show for training, but that's unlikely without
also bringing in the crowds and removing the focused training element.
Without a major fuel sponsor, our only incentive is a pilots own sense of preservation
and to make Red Star fun, and as I was told yesterday by the symbolic
mayor of Atwater who also runs the FBO, the differance between the CAF and RED
STARS (both hold events at Castle AFB) is "those red star pilots know how to
have fun"... I hope the infection spreads...
I moved the dates of Red Star 03 ( now May 7 to May 11) to avoid conflict with
a major Western Warbird event, in the hopes local warbird pilots flying our unique
aircraft would see the cost-benefit in getting out of town and training for
a few days, forgetting about crowds, multi-ship air schedules, airshow air
bosses and the like. I also believe that pilots of these heavy metal Red Star
aircraft will feel more welcome among you all, your teamwork, cooperative nature
and "let's just get good at this" attitude last year was really impressive.
Put another way, I was searching for, and never saw, the stuffy, "holier than
though" , "this is an exclusive club" mentality which drives some to go it
alone, or to participate just on a minimal level.
If you know of pilots who own this type of equipment out here, send them an invite,
or this e-mail.
Many of you are on our e-mail list and yesterday/today recieved a Red Star 2003
announcement e-mail directly, if you are thinking of attending Red Star this
year, and did NOT get a direct e-mail sent to you on the event, please e-mail
me directly so I can add you to our e-mail list, this will help in early planning
and direct e-mail updates..
Drew Allen Blahnick & Barry Hancock
310.386.9181
www.allredstar.com
"Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
Sir; I agree that safety is an attitude. Attitude can be changed,
enhanced, in other words...taught. I too purchased my Yak-55, single
seat, after dozens of hours of training in my -52 by a Soviet trained
instructor. You would be amazed by the amount of knowledge and skill
that can be imparted by a competent instructor from the ground, and BTW
on the ground. I was able to progress from Intermediate, in the -52 to
Unlimited in the Yak-55 because of training I received in my single
seater by Azat Zaydullin. There was an "attitude adjustment" that
remains - hopefully to keep me safe. My first flight in my -55, scary
for me. First single seater and first airplane with no trim!!! My
training took over and the subsequent 1350nm flight was safe and a ton
of fun. Sept, 1998. Respectfully, Rick
>>> FRANCIS_BUTLER@butler-machinery.com 01/10/03 04:16PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "BUTLER, FRANCIS"
<FRANCIS_BUTLER@butler-machinery.com>
So how would training at Redstar with a single seat Yak 3 help that
driver with a landing at Parker? I think if you go check the Yak
accident stats most of them involve retired military, ATP's,Commercial
tickets and flight instructers. Plenty of expirience there. Just
because a guy has a few bucks does not mean he is an incompetent pilot.
Safety is an attitude not specific to a number of hours of dual or PIC
time or having miltary training.
I started flying my Yak 50 with 10 hours of Champ time. (had to buy
the Champ, because no-one provides tailwheel aircraft for duel in my
part of the country) Is someone telling me that Redstar would have
provided training for my Yak 50? How does formation training help a guy
on landing a Yak 3? I attended the Yak event in Nebraska in 2001 just
for one day because I was told I couldn't participate in any training
due to haveing a single seat Yak 50. How's a guy going to get type
specific training or FAST training with a single seat ship? A Yak 3 may
be my next aircraft.
F.Butler
Yak 50
-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Blahnick [mailto:aapilot@adelphia.net]
Subject: Yak-List: Yak accident
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
Yesterday I spoke with the owner of a Yak 3 at Chino heading to the
Parker airshow, he was looking forward to the event, and we spoke of the
free gas and lodging provided for his participation. Watching him
takeoff with a P-51 was one heck of a site. He was still very new to the
aircraft and I had hoped he would attend Red Star for the opportunity to
learn and train with others in this type of aircraft (he was invited
last year when he first began flying his Yak 3).
Unfortunately Barry just informed me he heard the pilot crashed at
Parker on landing. He's alive, significantly injured, but we don't know
any details on his condition.
As we plan for this event (Red Star 03), I sometimes wonder why a
wealthy individual who purchased or spent hundreds of thousands of
dollars on a heavy metal warbird or Jet would ever spend their own money
on gas/jet fuel to attend a training fly-in, since it lacks the glamour
and freebies found on the airshow curcuit.
This is why.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
My only comment on the mishap flight, and it has no bearing with the
mishap itself, is from the briefing. Compared to what I've now grown
accostomed to with this community, there was a lack of kinship here (if
I can use that term) manifested in brevity, not from flying together,
but from a lack of flying together. The mentality was more of (not
said, but implied), "you own a heavy metal warbird, you should know what
you're doing, so let's turn and burn, two's job is to be there, see ya
on 35.95". It was a milk run, but knowing the formation experience of
this pilot and his time in type, it made you think...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From $350,000 L-39s, to $400,000 classic Yaks to $80,000 CJs, low to
moderately experienced pilots purchase their dream aircraft, obtain a
limited amount of training and then look towards airshows and the
opportunities to operate their complex equipment 'for free' (so to
speak). From my vantage point here, having spoken with folks at
Oshkosh, Reno and here at Chino, the more expensive the warbird, the
less time is spent training and becoming trully proficient. We can
understand that based on operating costs, but sometimes that old saying,
"pay me now or pay me later" really does apply.
At Red Star 2002 we broke all expectations on attendance for the
Military Trainer catagory, thanks to you all. Yet we had 1 Yak 11, 2
L-39s and an L-29 looking for, or ready to provide, training
opportunities for other pilots in like aircraft. And I know those
aircraft and their pilots are right here in the Western Region, we
almost lost one yesterday. Perhaps if Red Stars had a major corperate
fuel sponsor folks would show for training, but that's unlikely without
also bringing in the crowds and removing the focused training element.
Without a major fuel sponsor, our only incentive is a pilots own sense
of preservation and to make Red Star fun, and as I was told yesterday by
the symbolic mayor of Atwater who also runs the FBO, the differance
between the CAF and RED STARS (both hold events at Castle AFB) is "those
red star pilots know how to have fun"... I hope the infection
spreads...
I moved the dates of Red Star 03 ( now May 7 to May 11) to avoid
conflict with a major Western Warbird event, in the hopes local warbird
pilots flying our unique aircraft would see the cost-benefit in getting
out of town and training for a few days, forgetting about crowds,
multi-ship air schedules, airshow air bosses and the like. I also
believe that pilots of these heavy metal Red Star aircraft will feel
more welcome among you all, your teamwork, cooperative nature and "let's
just get good at this" attitude last year was really impressive. Put
another way, I was searching for, and never saw, the stuffy, "holier
than though" , "this is an exclusive club" mentality which drives some
to go it alone, or to participate just on a minimal level.
If you know of pilots who own this type of equipment out here, send
them an invite, or this e-mail.
Many of you are on our e-mail list and yesterday/today recieved a Red
Star 2003 announcement e-mail directly, if you are thinking of attending
Red Star this year, and did NOT get a direct e-mail sent to you on the
event, please e-mail me directly so I can add you to our e-mail list,
this will help in early planning and direct e-mail updates..
Drew Allen Blahnick & Barry Hancock
310.386.9181
www.allredstar.com
"Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
YAK 11's are nice too :)
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "BUTLER, FRANCIS" <FRANCIS_BUTLER@butler-machinery.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak accident
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "BUTLER, FRANCIS"
<FRANCIS_BUTLER@butler-machinery.com>
>
>
> So how would training at Redstar with a single seat Yak 3 help that driver
with a landing at Parker? I think if you go check the Yak accident stats
most of them involve retired military, ATP's,Commercial tickets and flight
instructers. Plenty of expirience there. Just because a guy has a few
bucks does not mean he is an incompetent pilot. Safety is an attitude not
specific to a number of hours of dual or PIC time or having miltary
training.
>
> I started flying my Yak 50 with 10 hours of Champ time. (had to buy the
Champ, because no-one provides tailwheel aircraft for duel in my part of the
country) Is someone telling me that Redstar would have provided training
for my Yak 50? How does formation training help a guy on landing a Yak 3?
I attended the Yak event in Nebraska in 2001 just for one day because I was
told I couldn't participate in any training due to haveing a single seat Yak
50. How's a guy going to get type specific training or FAST training with a
single seat ship? A Yak 3 may be my next aircraft.
>
> F.Butler
> Yak 50
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Blahnick [mailto:aapilot@adelphia.net]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak accident
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
>
> Yesterday I spoke with the owner of a Yak 3 at Chino heading to the Parker
airshow, he was looking forward to the event, and we spoke of the free gas
and lodging provided for his participation. Watching him takeoff with a
P-51 was one heck of a site. He was still very new to the aircraft and I had
hoped he would attend Red Star for the opportunity to learn and train with
others in this type of aircraft (he was invited last year when he first
began flying his Yak 3).
>
> Unfortunately Barry just informed me he heard the pilot crashed at Parker
on landing. He's alive, significantly injured, but we don't know any
details on his condition.
>
> As we plan for this event (Red Star 03), I sometimes wonder why a wealthy
individual who purchased or spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on a
heavy metal warbird or Jet would ever spend their own money on gas/jet fuel
to attend a training fly-in, since it lacks the glamour and freebies found
on the airshow curcuit.
>
> This is why.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> My only comment on the mishap flight, and it has no bearing with the
mishap itself, is from the briefing. Compared to what I've now grown
accostomed to with this community, there was a lack of kinship here (if I
can use that term) manifested in brevity, not from flying together, but from
a lack of flying together. The mentality was more of (not said, but
implied), "you own a heavy metal warbird, you should know what you're doing,
so let's turn and burn, two's job is to be there, see ya on 35.95". It was
a milk run, but knowing the formation experience of this pilot and his time
in type, it made you think...
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> From $350,000 L-39s, to $400,000 classic Yaks to $80,000 CJs, low to
moderately experienced pilots purchase their dream aircraft, obtain a
limited amount of training and then look towards airshows and the
opportunities to operate their complex equipment 'for free' (so to speak).
From my vantage point here, having spoken with folks at Oshkosh, Reno and
here at Chino, the more expensive the warbird, the less time is spent
training and becoming trully proficient. We can understand that based on
operating costs, but sometimes that old saying, "pay me now or pay me later"
really does apply.
>
> At Red Star 2002 we broke all expectations on attendance for the Military
Trainer catagory, thanks to you all. Yet we had 1 Yak 11, 2 L-39s and an
L-29 looking for, or ready to provide, training opportunities for other
pilots in like aircraft. And I know those aircraft and their pilots are
right here in the Western Region, we almost lost one yesterday. Perhaps if
Red Stars had a major corperate fuel sponsor folks would show for training,
but that's unlikely without also bringing in the crowds and removing the
focused training element.
>
> Without a major fuel sponsor, our only incentive is a pilots own sense of
preservation and to make Red Star fun, and as I was told yesterday by the
symbolic mayor of Atwater who also runs the FBO, the differance between the
CAF and RED STARS (both hold events at Castle AFB) is "those red star pilots
know how to have fun"... I hope the infection spreads...
>
> I moved the dates of Red Star 03 ( now May 7 to May 11) to avoid conflict
with a major Western Warbird event, in the hopes local warbird pilots flying
our unique aircraft would see the cost-benefit in getting out of town and
training for a few days, forgetting about crowds, multi-ship air schedules,
airshow air bosses and the like. I also believe that pilots of these heavy
metal Red Star aircraft will feel more welcome among you all, your teamwork,
cooperative nature and "let's just get good at this" attitude last year was
really impressive. Put another way, I was searching for, and never saw, the
stuffy, "holier than though" , "this is an exclusive club" mentality which
drives some to go it alone, or to participate just on a minimal level.
>
> If you know of pilots who own this type of equipment out here, send them
an invite, or this e-mail.
>
>
> Many of you are on our e-mail list and yesterday/today recieved a Red Star
2003 announcement e-mail directly, if you are thinking of attending Red Star
this year, and did NOT get a direct e-mail sent to you on the event, please
e-mail me directly so I can add you to our e-mail list, this will help in
early planning and direct e-mail updates..
>
> Drew Allen Blahnick & Barry Hancock
> 310.386.9181
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Three CJs and "0" time overhauled engines for sale |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
I have 8 really overhauled CJs (1982-1985) coming soon but only 3 left. Also I
have few Chinese one time overhauled 285hp engines and some parts coming with
those planes. To see those pictures, please visit my web site at: www.jntrading.com.
And I am working for next bitch CJ now. I will post some pictures on photo
share list.
Andrew Zheng from China
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Transfer |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Thayer" <doug.thayer@charter.net>
Ernie,
I have had a similar fuel transfer problem. It won't get better. It sounds
like
it can't get much worse though. With the aircraft stationary, level and
both fuel caps off,
I drained all the fuel throught the sump valve on the bottom of the fuselage
with a
similar result, 40l in left tank 0l in right tank. We pulled the ckeck
valve assembly
and found badly sticking check valves as described in prior threads. The
flapper
assembly is copper? or brass? and seemed to be corroded or gummy. When dry
they worked great but with only a small amount of moisture, the surface
tension of
one check valve would actually support the weight of a medium size screw
driver. It was amazing how hard it was to open that flapper. I replaced
the whole assembly with the help of
a part from George Coy in Dec. I will let you know how it worked. BTW,
You asked
if the engine would run with one full and one empty tank. I don't know but
the fuel
flows VERY slowly with one tank full and one empty. Contact me off list to
get specifics on
changing out the assembly. It can be tricky in a Yak-52.
Semper fi,
Doug Thayer
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
BUTLER, FRANCIS wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "BUTLER, FRANCIS"
> <FRANCIS_BUTLER@butler-machinery.com>
>
>
> So how would training at Redstar with a single seat Yak 3 help that driver
> with a landing at Parker?
It depends but it probably wouldn't have helped.
> I think if you go check the Yak accident stats
> most of them involve retired military, ATP's,Commercial tickets and flight
> instructers. Plenty of expirience there. Just because a guy has a few
> bucks does not mean he is an incompetent pilot. Safety is an attitude not
> specific to a number of hours of dual or PIC time or having miltary training.
A highly experienced pilot can still be incompetent in a given type. Likewise
an experienced pilot can think he/she is ready to fly a given airplane without
the proper background. The US military does a pretty good job of getting people
to the proper level of training. Still, today's military doesn't teach you
anything about handling a conventional-gear aircraft with an excess of torque.
And GA doesn't even get you close.
As for CFIs, most don't have any tailwheel, formation, or aerobatic experience.
I wouldn't put them into the "plenty of experience" category without looking
over their shoulder for a bit.
One of the problems is that it is easy for someone with a lot of money to
"progress" very rapidly to an aircraft that exceeds their level of capability.
They don't get the experience at the lower performance types.
How Red Star might help is to provide training on Russian systems. The Russians
and Chinese seem to keep the same systems across aircraft families in order to
simplify transition. These systems are quite foreign to US pilots so their
idiosyncracies (either the pilots' or the airplane's) can cause problems.
> I started flying my Yak 50 with 10 hours of Champ time. (had to buy the
> Champ, because no-one provides tailwheel aircraft for duel in my part of the
> country) Is someone telling me that Redstar would have provided training for
> my Yak 50?
Probably not.
> How does formation training help a guy on landing a Yak 3?
It does help in learning to fly smoothly and precisely but beyond that ...
> I
> attended the Yak event in Nebraska in 2001 just for one day because I was
> told I couldn't participate in any training due to haveing a single seat Yak
> 50.
You can't fly formation without a safety pilot in the airplane. It just costs
too much to swap paint with someone else.
> How's a guy going to get type specific training or FAST training with a
> single seat ship? A Yak 3 may be my next aircraft.
You don't. If you fly a Yak-50 you should probably do your formation training
in the Yak-52 as I think it probably flies more like the Yak-50 than does a CJ6A.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
This particuliar Yak was modified and had dual seats...
How could Red Star (or any dedicated environemnt of five days of training or
repetitive flying) help any pilot who may be tasked with flying in the show
with minimal time in type and only the rare occassion to really practice
during the normal schedule of running a business, practice, etc? Time, time
in the bucket, take-offs and landings, getting comfortable with your
aircraft, talking with other pilots in your aircraft type, learning from
their mistakes, understanding the systems through discussion, etc. There
was no aim to equate wealth directly with ability, that was a miscomm, what
I do realize, is lack of repetitive time in the bucket can be directly
proportional with operating cost, it's the economics, but an unfortunate
reality. I would be in the same boat, hence I don't dream of a Yak
3/9/11/P-51, etc - I'm 36, will someone PLEASE show up and tell me I have an
unknown relative who owns US Steel or something along those lines; I've
given up on the whole "marrying a rich woman" thing, too many cats to deal
with...
I second Brians comments concerning the challenges of single seaters.
Without some background in near-type, it would appear to be an initial
challenge to accelerate the learning process, but how many hours of dual are
most pilots getting in their newly purchased military trainer warbirds? I
really like the Yak 50, wish I could afford another airplane, that would be
the one. We have at least two Yak 50's heading to Red Star from the S.F.
area I understand, and a third has e-mailed from the Seattle area. One's
lead qualed and the other has a wing patch, both from 52's I believe....
Mr Butler brings up a good point on the single seaters getting their form
time/training. I wonder how many 50 pilots are in those shoes (we also have
a Yak 55 wanting to fly form here). Seems we have such good guys with 52's
with tons of experience here last year, we could arrange something of a
ride-along program to get you the required sorties, training and card in a
52 if that's your (anyones) goal!?! Just thinking out loud...
Drew
Drew Allen Blahnick
310.386.9181
www.allredstar.com
California Condors Squadron
"Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
----- Original Message -----
From: "BUTLER, FRANCIS" <FRANCIS_BUTLER@butler-machinery.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak accident
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "BUTLER, FRANCIS"
<FRANCIS_BUTLER@butler-machinery.com>
>
>
> So how would training at Redstar with a single seat Yak 3 help that driver
with a landing at Parker? I think if you go check the Yak accident stats
most of them involve retired military, ATP's,Commercial tickets and flight
instructers. Plenty of expirience there. Just because a guy has a few
bucks does not mean he is an incompetent pilot. Safety is an attitude not
specific to a number of hours of dual or PIC time or having miltary
training.
>
> I started flying my Yak 50 with 10 hours of Champ time. (had to buy the
Champ, because no-one provides tailwheel aircraft for duel in my part of the
country) Is someone telling me that Redstar would have provided training
for my Yak 50? How does formation training help a guy on landing a Yak 3?
I attended the Yak event in Nebraska in 2001 just for one day because I was
told I couldn't participate in any training due to haveing a single seat Yak
50. How's a guy going to get type specific training or FAST training with a
single seat ship? A Yak 3 may be my next aircraft.
>
> F.Butler
> Yak 50
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Blahnick [mailto:aapilot@adelphia.net]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak accident
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
>
> Yesterday I spoke with the owner of a Yak 3 at Chino heading to the Parker
airshow, he was looking forward to the event, and we spoke of the free gas
and lodging provided for his participation. Watching him takeoff with a
P-51 was one heck of a site. He was still very new to the aircraft and I had
hoped he would attend Red Star for the opportunity to learn and train with
others in this type of aircraft (he was invited last year when he first
began flying his Yak 3).
>
> Unfortunately Barry just informed me he heard the pilot crashed at Parker
on landing. He's alive, significantly injured, but we don't know any
details on his condition.
>
> As we plan for this event (Red Star 03), I sometimes wonder why a wealthy
individual who purchased or spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on a
heavy metal warbird or Jet would ever spend their own money on gas/jet fuel
to attend a training fly-in, since it lacks the glamour and freebies found
on the airshow curcuit.
>
> This is why.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> My only comment on the mishap flight, and it has no bearing with the
mishap itself, is from the briefing. Compared to what I've now grown
accostomed to with this community, there was a lack of kinship here (if I
can use that term) manifested in brevity, not from flying together, but from
a lack of flying together. The mentality was more of (not said, but
implied), "you own a heavy metal warbird, you should know what you're doing,
so let's turn and burn, two's job is to be there, see ya on 35.95". It was
a milk run, but knowing the formation experience of this pilot and his time
in type, it made you think...
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> From $350,000 L-39s, to $400,000 classic Yaks to $80,000 CJs, low to
moderately experienced pilots purchase their dream aircraft, obtain a
limited amount of training and then look towards airshows and the
opportunities to operate their complex equipment 'for free' (so to speak).
From my vantage point here, having spoken with folks at Oshkosh, Reno and
here at Chino, the more expensive the warbird, the less time is spent
training and becoming trully proficient. We can understand that based on
operating costs, but sometimes that old saying, "pay me now or pay me later"
really does apply.
>
> At Red Star 2002 we broke all expectations on attendance for the Military
Trainer catagory, thanks to you all. Yet we had 1 Yak 11, 2 L-39s and an
L-29 looking for, or ready to provide, training opportunities for other
pilots in like aircraft. And I know those aircraft and their pilots are
right here in the Western Region, we almost lost one yesterday. Perhaps if
Red Stars had a major corperate fuel sponsor folks would show for training,
but that's unlikely without also bringing in the crowds and removing the
focused training element.
>
> Without a major fuel sponsor, our only incentive is a pilots own sense of
preservation and to make Red Star fun, and as I was told yesterday by the
symbolic mayor of Atwater who also runs the FBO, the differance between the
CAF and RED STARS (both hold events at Castle AFB) is "those red star pilots
know how to have fun"... I hope the infection spreads...
>
> I moved the dates of Red Star 03 ( now May 7 to May 11) to avoid conflict
with a major Western Warbird event, in the hopes local warbird pilots flying
our unique aircraft would see the cost-benefit in getting out of town and
training for a few days, forgetting about crowds, multi-ship air schedules,
airshow air bosses and the like. I also believe that pilots of these heavy
metal Red Star aircraft will feel more welcome among you all, your teamwork,
cooperative nature and "let's just get good at this" attitude last year was
really impressive. Put another way, I was searching for, and never saw, the
stuffy, "holier than though" , "this is an exclusive club" mentality which
drives some to go it alone, or to participate just on a minimal level.
>
> If you know of pilots who own this type of equipment out here, send them
an invite, or this e-mail.
>
>
> Many of you are on our e-mail list and yesterday/today recieved a Red Star
2003 announcement e-mail directly, if you are thinking of attending Red Star
this year, and did NOT get a direct e-mail sent to you on the event, please
e-mail me directly so I can add you to our e-mail list, this will help in
early planning and direct e-mail updates..
>
> Drew Allen Blahnick & Barry Hancock
> 310.386.9181
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
Drew - RE: your quest to "marry rich", there are a number wealthy Rich's here
in the Bay area that you may wish to pursue. I'm sure most would cherish the
opportunity to hook up with a strapping 36 y.o. airline pilot. Your
proclivity for pink and power tools can only be a plus with their segment!
Dave
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
Damn, the dreaded Dave, on my heels again. And them are flat, flight boot,
heels by the way...hook me up with a wealthy gal, I'm heading up there to
fly with the Bay Area crowd in mid Feb...
Are you and Byron doing any flying with the bay area (Schrick, Keith, Harry,
Lloyd) group!?!
We have 6 CJs here in the basin who all want time on the wing, getting them
together is proving to be a challenge though...
Drew Allen Blahnick
310.386.9181
www.allredstar.com
California Condors Squadron
"Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
----- Original Message -----
From: <KingCJ6@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak accident
> --> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
>
> Drew - RE: your quest to "marry rich", there are a number wealthy Rich's
here
> in the Bay area that you may wish to pursue. I'm sure most would cherish
the
> opportunity to hook up with a strapping 36 y.o. airline pilot. Your
> proclivity for pink and power tools can only be a plus with their segment!
>
> Dave
>
>
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