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2. 05:15 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Transfer & other stuff (Brian Lloyd)
3. 05:28 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Transfer & other stuff (FOUGAPILOT@aol.com)
4. 07:28 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Transfer tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, SUBJECT_IS_LIST,USER_AGENT_OE,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.43 (Ernie)
5. 08:56 AM - Re: Fuel transfer (Doug Thayer)
6. 08:56 AM - Yak accident / Training / REDSTAR 2003 Single seat YAK training (Mark Schrick)
7. 10:40 AM - Fleet power (Yakjock)
8. 11:25 AM - Re: Termikas (Doug)
9. 11:25 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Transfer & other stuff (Doug)
10. 11:42 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Transfer tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, (Brian Lloyd)
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12. 01:09 PM - Re: Fleet power (cjpilot710@aol.com)
13. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: Chinese air force symbol (Robert Mortara)
14. 04:34 PM - Re: Re: Chinese air force symbol (YakL1@aol.com)
15. 05:49 PM - Re: Fleet power (FOUGAPILOT@aol.com)
16. 07:29 PM - Airworthiness limitations (Christy Painter)
17. 07:54 PM - Re: Chinese air force symbol (Andrew Zheng \(China\))
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 1/11/2003 10:52:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
walterfricke@yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> Don't you have a rudder trim in your CJ Jim?? What
> year was yours manufactured? Mine is a 72 and
> rudderdder trim is a little rognarledrled knob on the
> left side of the panel. It gets active use for climb,
> cruise and descent profiles and I have no uneven fuel
> burn.
>
> On a separate note, can anyone explain why I cannot
> seem to keepcylinderndar head temperatconsistenttant?
>
Ah . . . Walt. We really need to talk. :)
Jim Goolsby
cjpilot710@aol.com
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deserve neither liberty nor safety"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Walt Fricke wrote:
> Don't you have a rudder trim in your CJ Jim?? What
> year was yours manufactured? Mine is a 72 and
> rudderdder trim is a little rognarledrled knob on the
> left side of the panel. It gets active use for climb,
> cruise and descent profiles and I have no uneven fuel
> burn.
No rudder trim on Betty (1983) or The Project (1967). I suspect the rudder trim
is on Jim's leg. It is a pull-type control.
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brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
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--> Yak-List message posted by: FOUGAPILOT@aol.com
We have a water level installed permanently in the Challenger I fly. Worry
not, the CJ is not the only airplane with fuel imbalance problems. The
Challenger is never balance. The solution is as Jim said, trim, trim, trim.
The ball is not even helpful in rudder trimming, that is why we installed the
water level.
Blue Skies.
Dan Fortin
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
In my case its the left tank thats the dominant feeder. When I first got the
plane, it wasnt so bad, it has progressively gotten worse. Unless my flying
skills have been deteriorating progressively over time, I dont think its
trim related on my plane. Yesterday I went for a little formation training,
and by the time I got home I had 15l in my left tank and 45; in the right. I
switched fuel caps as mentioned in a previous thread...no luck. When I first
take off with the plane with full tanks, she flys straight as an arrow with
hands and feet off of the controls. Only after one wing gets light do I have
to consciencsly try to fly the plane in trim.
Pappy, free beer if you show me where these darn flapper valves are :)
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walt Lannon" <lannon@look.ca>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Transfer
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> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <lannon@look.ca>
>
> Drew;
> Fuel feed problems with the CJ6 seem to be a continuing problem. I agree
> with Doug re proper positioning of the flapper valve. I permanently mark
the
> lower center line position externally and tighten so that the valve C/L is
> vertical, (ie; hinge horizontal). In order to do this I replace the
Chinese
> fibre washers with copper/asbestos crush washers (AN 900 If I remember
> correctly).
> I have not been center punching or scoring the valve faces, just
thoroughly
> cleaning them but I think I will center punch from now on. Surface tension
> is a factor in delaying valve action and the small amount of leakage
caused
> by punch marks is probably acceptable.
> But now to what may be the major problem. I have had two CJ's that
continued
> to feed poorly (from the RH tank!) after doing all of the above and other
> good things like blowing out the vent lines, etc.
> Since it always seems to be the RH side where the vent path is much longer
> and a partial blockage would have a greater effect I decided to get
serious
> about cleaning the vent lines.
> Blowing the lines with high pressure air and/or solvent will likely remove
a
> total block but will not guaranty a clean line since the residue left by
> insects, leaf cutter bee's etc. seems totally resistant to every solvent
> devised by man. The only one that works is water.
> I use a mixture of detergent and hot water, shop air pressure, lots of
clean
> hot water rinse, shop air dry and a hell of a lot of patience. Both
aircraft
> were greatly improved.
> Major caution note!!! - Disconnect ALL vent line connections including the
> header tank and cap the fittings going into the tanks - you will have soap
> and water everwhere.
> Shop air pressure will totally destroy a fuel tank before you can even
think
> Oh S#%&.
> Good luck;
> Walt
> PS. You probably should do this on a nice warm day 'cause you are going to
> get wet.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Transfer
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
> >
> > This has surfaced once again on our aircraft (it never really left),
just
> > FYI, I always welcome others opinions/experiences;
> >
> > On #43 we are experiencing a 3 to 1 fuel burn ratio, i.e 3 gallons gone
> from
> > the left for every 1 burned from the right. Now, before you make that
> > statement about lazy rudders, I went out the other day after balancing
the
> > refrence source (the bean ;), I then went out with even tanks and
> > agressively flew coordinated flight from start to finish, and attempted
to
> > induce right wing dominant feed during cruise. Upon landing, I had 3.6
> > gallons burned from the right, 9 gallons even burned from the left.
> Please
> > note:
> >
> > 1. My right flapper valve was removed inspected and notched according to
> the
> > posts here. Will recheck installation based on Dougs point about
cantered
> > valve.
> >
> > 2. Right wing is feeding, and when the left is 'allowed' to burn down to
> > about 20% full, the right appears to become dominant. (that's from a
test
> > several months ago, need to repeat that).
> >
> > It seems improbably, that a C-130 pilot (i.e. had to use the rudders the
> > last ten years) is overcoming, 100% of the time, the natural forces of
> > gravity working on an imbalanced force that can grow from a 3 to 1 burn
> > ratio, but then again, I don't carry a slide rule. For all I know the
> > airframe could be bent, but she flys pretty straight ;)
> >
> > Next up: recheck right flapper valve reinstall....vent line clearing
from
> > possible partial blockage...see what Barrys independant vent system does
> for
> > him...
> >
> > Drew
> >
> >
> > Drew Allen Blahnick
> > 310.386.9181
> > www.allredstar.com
> > California Condors Squadron
> > "Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Transfer
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> > >
> > > Listers (those slightly out of trim fuel wise), and lurkers.
> > >
> > > If you feel the need to mess with the flapper valve in your sump tank
> > > (consumption tank to the Chinese), please remember that the flapper
> valve
> > is
> > > exactly that a flapper that can open and close. When you attempt to
> > remove
> > > it make sure that it is in the CLOSED position or it will "two block"
> > > against the inside of the tank and you will twist off the flapper.
> > > (experience speaks!!) This means that the tank should be out of the
> > > aircraft and on its side. And yes I do have spares of this item.
Once
> > out
> > > and altered in the way that only you feel it needs to be, remember
that
> > with
> > > the aircraft in cruise configuration the hinged portion should be
> exactly
> > > parallel to the line of flight. Canting it either forward or backward
> > will
> > > result in less than proper operation. I have a hunch that if the
> flapper
> > is
> > > in fact the culprit here, canting it on installation may be the major
> > cause
> > > of the malfunction. I have seen flapper valves modified by using a
> center
> > > punch, small rat tail file, and what looked to be simple nicking the
> seat
> > > with a chisel. School is still out as to the best method of
"modifying"
> > the
> > > flapper valve, or in fact rather or not this will help the problem.
> When
> > > asked about it the factory denies any such modification is necessary,
> but
> > it
> > > is obvious that the field units will disagree as we have all seen this
> > done.
> > > One last note. When and if you do accomplish your goal and do get
equal
> > > flow by modifying the flapper, make sure you plainly mark them and the
> > tank
> > > "Left" and "right" to prevent a mix up if you ever have to remove
them
> > > again.
> > >
> > > The mini yak is slowly progressing, hope to see you all at Red Star.
> > >
> > > Always yakin,
> > > Doug Sapp
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Doug Thayer" <doug.thayer@charter.net>
> > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Transfer
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Thayer"
> <doug.thayer@charter.net>
> > > >
> > > > Ernie,
> > > > I have had a similar fuel transfer problem. It won't get better. It
> > > sounds
> > > > like
> > > > it can't get much worse though. With the aircraft stationary, level
> and
> > > > both fuel caps off,
> > > > I drained all the fuel throught the sump valve on the bottom of the
> > > fuselage
> > > > with a
> > > > similar result, 40l in left tank 0l in right tank. We pulled the
> ckeck
> > > > valve assembly
> > > > and found badly sticking check valves as described in prior threads.
> > The
> > > > flapper
> > > > assembly is copper? or brass? and seemed to be corroded or gummy.
> When
> > > dry
> > > > they worked great but with only a small amount of moisture, the
> surface
> > > > tension of
> > > > one check valve would actually support the weight of a medium size
> screw
> > > > driver. It was amazing how hard it was to open that flapper. I
> > replaced
> > > > the whole assembly with the help of
> > > > a part from George Coy in Dec. I will let you know how it worked.
> BTW,
> > > > You asked
> > > > if the engine would run with one full and one empty tank. I don't
> know
> > > but
> > > > the fuel
> > > > flows VERY slowly with one tank full and one empty. Contact me off
> > list
> > > to
> > > > get specifics on
> > > > changing out the assembly. It can be tricky in a Yak-52.
> > > > Semper fi,
> > > > Doug Thayer
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Thayer" <doug.thayer@charter.net>
I would suggest figuring out whether the problem is balance, venting or
flappers first. Level the airplane, take off fuel caps and start draining
fuel. If it drains evenly it is not the flappers. If it doesn't, it is
something in the flappers or fuel lines between the wing tank and
consumption tanks.
Semper fi,
Doug Thayer
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| Subject: | Yak accident / Training / REDSTAR 2003 Single seat YAK training |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net>
Drew,
EXCELLENT Idea on the Yak 52 buddy plan for training single seat Yak 50 and
Yak 55 pilots.
I will be at REDSTAR to obtain my LEAD patch but after could offer my Yak 52
to help single seaters become more
proficient and trained as wingman for there FAST card. I am sure others
could do the same thing to help the cause. It would be a great idea to find
out "how many" people with single seat aircraft that are not FAST qualified
would be interested in actually wanting to pursue a FAST card or is it just
a mute subject???? Contact Drew and express TRUE interest in coming to
Redstar.
Good luck, training is so important and would hate to see anyone DANGEROUS
trying to learn to fly FORMATION out of a book or on their own. BE SAFE OUT
THERE GUYS !!!!!!!!!
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
Mark (SHREK) Schrick
Western USA Dealer for AEROSTAR (Yak 52TW/W) and Refurbished USED YAks to
SHOW condition
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, CA 95120
(408) 323-5150 phone/fax
(408) 391-6664 cell
How could Red Star (or any dedicated environemnt of five days of training or
repetitive flying) help any pilot who may be tasked with flying in the show
with minimal time in type and only the rare occassion to really practice
during the normal schedule of running a business, practice, etc? Time, time
in the bucket, take-offs and landings, getting comfortable with your
aircraft, talking with other pilots in your aircraft type, learning from
their mistakes, understanding the systems through discussion, etc. There
was no aim to equate wealth directly with ability, that was a miscomm, what
I do realize, is lack of repetitive time in the bucket can be directly
proportional with operating cost, it's the economics, but an unfortunate
reality. I would be in the same boat, hence I don't dream of a Yak
3/9/11/P-51, etc - I'm 36, will someone PLEASE show up and tell me I have an
unknown relative who owns US Steel or something along those lines; I've
given up on the whole "marrying a rich woman" thing, too many cats to deal
with...
I second Brians comments concerning the challenges of single seaters.
Without some background in near-type, it would appear to be an initial
challenge to accelerate the learning process, but how many hours of dual are
most pilots getting in their newly purchased military trainer warbirds? I
really like the Yak 50, wish I could afford another airplane, that would be
the one. We have at least two Yak 50's heading to Red Star from the S.F.
area I understand, and a third has e-mailed from the Seattle area. One's
lead qualed and the other has a wing patch, both from 52's I believe....
Mr Butler brings up a good point on the single seaters getting their form
time/training. I wonder how many 50 pilots are in those shoes (we also have
a Yak 55 wanting to fly form here). Seems we have such good guys with 52's
with tons of experience here last year, we could arrange something of a
ride-along program to get you the required sorties, training and card in a
52 if that's your (anyones) goal!?! Just thinking out loud...
Drew
Drew Allen Blahnick
310.386.9181
www.allredstar.com
California Condors Squadron
"Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
----- Original Message -----
From: "BUTLER, FRANCIS" <FRANCIS_BUTLER@butler-machinery.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak accident
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "BUTLER, FRANCIS"
<FRANCIS_BUTLER@butler-machinery.com>
>
>
> So how would training at Redstar with a single seat Yak 3 help that driver
with a landing at Parker? I think if you go check the Yak accident stats
most of them involve retired military, ATP's,Commercial tickets and flight
instructers. Plenty of expirience there. Just because a guy has a few
bucks does not mean he is an incompetent pilot. Safety is an attitude not
specific to a number of hours of dual or PIC time or having miltary
training.
>
> I started flying my Yak 50 with 10 hours of Champ time. (had to buy the
Champ, because no-one provides tailwheel aircraft for duel in my part of the
country) Is someone telling me that Redstar would have provided training
for my Yak 50? How does formation training help a guy on landing a Yak 3?
I attended the Yak event in Nebraska in 2001 just for one day because I was
told I couldn't participate in any training due to haveing a single seat Yak
50. How's a guy going to get type specific training or FAST training with a
single seat ship? A Yak 3 may be my next aircraft.
>
> F.Butler
> Yak 50
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Blahnick [mailto:aapilot@adelphia.net]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak accident
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
>
> Yesterday I spoke with the owner of a Yak 3 at Chino heading to the Parker
airshow, he was looking forward to the event, and we spoke of the free gas
and lodging provided for his participation. Watching him takeoff with a
P-51 was one heck of a site. He was still very new to the aircraft and I had
hoped he would attend Red Star for the opportunity to learn and train with
others in this type of aircraft (he was invited last year when he first
began flying his Yak 3).
>
> Unfortunately Barry just informed me he heard the pilot crashed at Parker
on landing. He's alive, significantly injured, but we don't know any
details on his condition.
>
> As we plan for this event (Red Star 03), I sometimes wonder why a wealthy
individual who purchased or spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on a
heavy metal warbird or Jet would ever spend their own money on gas/jet fuel
to attend a training fly-in, since it lacks the glamour and freebies found
on the airshow curcuit.
>
> This is why.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> My only comment on the mishap flight, and it has no bearing with the
mishap itself, is from the briefing. Compared to what I've now grown
accostomed to with this community, there was a lack of kinship here (if I
can use that term) manifested in brevity, not from flying together, but from
a lack of flying together. The mentality was more of (not said, but
implied), "you own a heavy metal warbird, you should know what you're doing,
so let's turn and burn, two's job is to be there, see ya on 35.95". It was
a milk run, but knowing the formation experience of this pilot and his time
in type, it made you think...
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> From $350,000 L-39s, to $400,000 classic Yaks to $80,000 CJs, low to
moderately experienced pilots purchase their dream aircraft, obtain a
limited amount of training and then look towards airshows and the
opportunities to operate their complex equipment 'for free' (so to speak).
From my vantage point here, having spoken with folks at Oshkosh, Reno and
here at Chino, the more expensive the warbird, the less time is spent
training and becoming trully proficient. We can understand that based on
operating costs, but sometimes that old saying, "pay me now or pay me later"
really does apply.
>
> At Red Star 2002 we broke all expectations on attendance for the Military
Trainer catagory, thanks to you all. Yet we had 1 Yak 11, 2 L-39s and an
L-29 looking for, or ready to provide, training opportunities for other
pilots in like aircraft. And I know those aircraft and their pilots are
right here in the Western Region, we almost lost one yesterday. Perhaps if
Red Stars had a major corperate fuel sponsor folks would show for training,
but that's unlikely without also bringing in the crowds and removing the
focused training element.
>
> Without a major fuel sponsor, our only incentive is a pilots own sense of
preservation and to make Red Star fun, and as I was told yesterday by the
symbolic mayor of Atwater who also runs the FBO, the differance between the
CAF and RED STARS (both hold events at Castle AFB) is "those red star pilots
know how to have fun"... I hope the infection spreads...
>
> I moved the dates of Red Star 03 ( now May 7 to May 11) to avoid conflict
with a major Western Warbird event, in the hopes local warbird pilots flying
our unique aircraft would see the cost-benefit in getting out of town and
training for a few days, forgetting about crowds, multi-ship air schedules,
airshow air bosses and the like. I also believe that pilots of these heavy
metal Red Star aircraft will feel more welcome among you all, your teamwork,
cooperative nature and "let's just get good at this" attitude last year was
really impressive. Put another way, I was searching for, and never saw, the
stuffy, "holier than though" , "this is an exclusive club" mentality which
drives some to go it alone, or to participate just on a minimal level.
>
> If you know of pilots who own this type of equipment out here, send them
an invite, or this e-mail.
>
>
> Many of you are on our e-mail list and yesterday/today recieved a Red Star
2003 announcement e-mail directly, if you are thinking of attending Red Star
this year, and did NOT get a direct e-mail sent to you on the event, please
e-mail me directly so I can add you to our e-mail list, this will help in
early planning and direct e-mail updates..
>
> Drew Allen Blahnick & Barry Hancock
> 310.386.9181
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
Skip and Doug:
There are more lurking in the shadows. I became a proud Ensign, USNR-R on 7 July
64. Didn't go active as I was already carrying disposable items (tp, food,
#500, #1,000, #2,000 bombs, etc.) into "SE Asia. Never have come to a formal,
mutually agreed termination of my Navy relationship, so I may well be the most
senior Lt they have!
By the time you add in the Army types (Fricke), USCG and or course Uncle Sam's
Misguided Children (Payne, deVere and others who still seem to need a little guidance)
and others like Blitz (forget his affiliation) there are quite a few
non-puking military types around. Unfortunately, it was the RCAF types who stole
the CRUD match when they should have been drinking more, and, of course, the
"carrier landing" contest was won by a retired PAA skipper (PAA navigators
do it with bubbles - and are proud of it!).
Hal Morley
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Frank,
I carry the Yak 18T 2 blade spinner which is the same as the Yak 52 spinner.
Contact me off line.
Always yakin,
doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Termikas
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
>
> The Termikas website has been gone for more than a week. Anyone know
> what happened to the company? I was looking to get some airframe parts
> from them. I want to get the new composite fairings and a spinner.
> Anyone know where I can get these pieces?
>
> Frank
> N911OM
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Walt,
Yes I can, right after I give you some 2X4 dual on time zones!! Yawn>
Doug Sapp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walt Fricke" <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Transfer & other stuff
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
>
>
> The T-34B guys over come their heavy foot by having an
> adjustable
> rudder trim
> (thanks to Beechcraft) and trim into the heavy tank to
> get it to feed.
>
>
> Don't you have a rudder trim in your CJ Jim?? What
> year was yours manufactured? Mine is a 72 and
> rudderdder trim is a little rognarledrled knob on the
> left side of the panel. It gets active use for climb,
> cruise and descent profiles and I have no uneven fuel
> burn.
>
> On a separate note, can anyone explain why I cannot
> seem to keepcylinderndar head temperatconsistenttant?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Ernie wrote:
> In my case its the left tank thats the dominant feeder. When I first got the
> plane, it wasnt so bad, it has progressively gotten worse. Unless my flying
> skills have been deteriorating progressively over time, I dont think its
I thought I was being careful about keeping the ball centered but after fiddling
with the fixed rudder trim tab on Betty I managed to change which tank fed fuel
faster. It was definitely a trim problem. Getting the ground-adjustable trim
tab set properly made a huge difference.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 1/12/2003 1:41:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Yakjock@msn.com writes:
> , of course, the "carrier landing" contest was won by a retired PAA skipper
> (PAA navigators do it with bubbles - and are proud of it!).
>
> Hal Morley
>
Yea! baby!
Jim Goolsby
cjpilot710@aol.com
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
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| Subject: | Re: Chinese air force symbol |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Robert Mortara" <robmortara@robinhill.com>
please email me a picture
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Zheng
(China)
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Chinese air force symbol
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
Hi all,
I have a Chinese air force symbol picture which they use on their building
and uniform. It looks different with the star on our CJ. If any one want the
picture, just let me know. I will email to you.
Andrew from China
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--> Yak-List message posted by: YakL1@aol.com
Andrew:
I would like to see the symbol.
Thanks.
John Zecherle
Yakl1@aol.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: FOUGAPILOT@aol.com
Go Canada
CRUD is a Canadian Game.
Cheers.
Dan Fortin
Member of the 1987 CRUD World Champions 419Moose Sqn.
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| Subject: | Airworthiness limitations |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Christy Painter" <Wild.Blue@Verizon.net>
Any Yaksters out there flying Max Holste MH1521 Broussards? I have one
with a small problem. It is restricted to round trip flights beginning
and ending at the point of origin except as listed in the Annual Program
Letter or for maintenance. I have always understood that to mean that
flights to airports not listed in the Program letter could be made at
will by simple notification by fax 24 hours prior to the flight. In any
case, do any other Broussard owners have similar limitations? If no,
I'd like to show your limitations to my FSDO to get this one removed.
Help!
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| Subject: | Re: Chinese air force symbol |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
If any one want to see the Chinese air force symbol, you can see it on http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
under my post.
Andrew from China
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