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1. 04:37 AM - Re: Heaters for those Non-Florida airplanes. (Brian Lloyd)
2. 08:47 AM - Re: Accident statistics (Richard Basiliere)
3. 08:48 AM - Re: Accident statistics (Richard Basiliere)
4. 09:04 AM - Re: Accident statistics (William Halverson)
5. 10:28 AM - Re: Accident statistics (Michael Di Marco)
6. 01:13 PM - carb fuel metering diaphragm failure (was: Accident statistics) (Brian Lloyd)
7. 01:16 PM - Re: Accident statistics (A. Dennis Savarese)
8. 02:15 PM - Re: Accident statistics - Single-Seat Checkout (Richard Basiliere)
9. 02:28 PM - Re: Accident statistics (Richard Basiliere)
10. 06:04 PM - Re: Accident statistics (Gus Fraser)
11. 06:21 PM - Re: Our rights... Interesting reading. (swansonon)
12. 06:51 PM - Re: Accident statistics (A. Dennis Savarese)
13. 07:17 PM - Re: Posted on AVWEB today (Jim Selby)
14. 07:29 PM - Re: Accident statistics (Richard Basiliere)
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| Subject: | Re: Heaters for those Non-Florida airplanes. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> PS. We had a freeze last night. Second one this winter. 31 degrees F.
> Orange picking weather. Day time temp went to 70F with crystal clear skies
> and no wind.
It got cold here last night too. I actually had to cover up with a sheet! I
bet it got down to 72 degrees F!
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: Accident statistics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
Folks, I got my dual for my Yak-55 the same way I understand the former
Soviet pilots did. I had some 300 hours of acro (50-60 Ukraine dual) in
my Yak-52 prior to the purchase of my Yak-55. With my Ukraine
instructors and a US owner of a Yak-55 I got a lesson on speeds and
handling on the ground. I too flew my -55 from Pittstown, NJ (ironic or
what) to Longmont, CO without incident. With that educational basis I
was able to progress from Intermediate in 1998 to Unlimited (once
beating a SU-26) in 2000 without incident. Dual for a single is
available and possible to do it safely, I think. Respectfully, Rick
>>> william@netpros.net 01/18/03 01:35AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: William Halverson
<william@netpros.net>
Hmmm ... but how do you get dual in a Yak-55? What would they consider
'acceptable' as a stand in? I had to fly mine bareass [no insurance at
all] X-ctry from Vermont to CA to tet the mimimum in type to even get a
quote ...
Roy O. Wright wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roy O. Wright" <roy@wright.org>
>
>
>Overall, my thoughts to reduce risk is to fly higher and be sure
>of the mechanical state of my machine (when it finally gets here).
>An interesting note was how many of the accidents were on the
>ferry home flight after purchase and even one on the pre-purchase
>flight itself. Maybe this is why the insurance companies want
>a lot of dual now a days.
>
>Have fun,
>Roy
>
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| Subject: | Re: Accident statistics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
PS. Forest insured me for that NJ to CO flight with no time in type.
Rick Talk to Becky
>>> wes@lppcs.com 01/18/03 09:57AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Wes Warner <wes@lppcs.com>
Forest required me to have 3 hours dual in a 52, then I was covered.
Wes
On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 12:35:12AM -0800, William Halverson wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: William Halverson
<william@netpros.net>
>
> Hmmm ... but how do you get dual in a Yak-55? What would they
consider
> 'acceptable' as a stand in? I had to fly mine bareass [no insurance
at
> all] X-ctry from Vermont to CA to tet the mimimum in type to even get
a
> quote ...
>
>
> Roy O. Wright wrote:
>
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roy O. Wright" <roy@wright.org>
> >
> >
> >Overall, my thoughts to reduce risk is to fly higher and be sure
> >of the mechanical state of my machine (when it finally gets here).
> >An interesting note was how many of the accidents were on the
> >ferry home flight after purchase and even one on the pre-purchase
> >flight itself. Maybe this is why the insurance companies want
> >a lot of dual now a days.
> >
> >Have fun,
> >Roy
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Time to go to... Group Therapy.
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| Subject: | Re: Accident statistics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: William Halverson <william@netpros.net>
Hi Richard -
Thanks for the note .. I checked with several insurance firms before I
took delivery of the YAK ... since I only had about 20 hours in TW at
the time they all told me the same thing ... no insurance until I had 25
hours in type.
Fortunately I was cautious and made it back without incident, got the
time and have insurance.
But $3400 a year for insurance is ... a lot ...
Bill
Richard Basiliere wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>
>PS. Forest insured me for that NJ to CO flight with no time in type.
>Rick Talk to Becky
>
>>>>wes@lppcs.com 01/18/03 09:57AM >>>
>>>>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Wes Warner <wes@lppcs.com>
>
>Forest required me to have 3 hours dual in a 52, then I was covered.
>
>Wes
>
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| Subject: | Re: Accident statistics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco <mgdimarco@yahoo.com>
I would like to know what caused the diaphragm failure.
* a loss of engine power due to failure of the pressure carburetor diaphragm
which led to restricted fuel flow through the carburetor and eventual fuel
starvation.
On a side note with regards to MX related accident/incidents. One might consider
the psychological aspects of a pilot intentionally grounding their aircraft.
Just like the "aw shucks I got through weather that looked twice as bad" just
before the accident, we have to be willing to look deep inside before accepting
an airplane (which is what we do each time we climb in and start her up/takeoff).
Its hard to finish a preflight and tell that GIB with the big smile
waiting for the ride that it won't be today (another reason for good post-flight
inspections too).
Case in point. I decide to start an oil change early and removed the top cowl
as well on my CJ. I wanted to do some looking around since it was over six months
since annual. Guess what. I found something. One segment of the exhaust
had rusted to the point I could stick my finger through it. The airplane is
grounded. Considering the segment, I could have gone with, "it's close to the
normal exit point, it shouldn't hurt anything." And then elect to fly while
awaiting parts. But I don't want to be the next accident due to engine failure/fire
thank you very much.
It is incumbant upon each of us to be aware of the condition of our airplane before
each flight and NOT be willing to accept anything less than airworthy. We
not only risk our own life/insurance rate, but the life and expense of operating
every other Yak/CJ out there.
Thanks,
Mike and China Blue
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | carb fuel metering diaphragm failure (was: Accident statistics) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Michael Di Marco wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco <mgdimarco@yahoo.com>
>
>
> I would like to know what caused the diaphragm failure.
Probably age. They are (I believe) neoprene. They get hard and crack with age
especially if they sit without fuel on them for long periods of time.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: Accident statistics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Cannon Aviation Insurance, Scottsdale, AZ (www.cannonaviiation.com) I
believe insures the vast majority of YAK's and CJ's. Talk with Tom Johnson,
tjohnson@cannonaviation.com. I think you will be favorably impressed.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Halverson" <william@netpros.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Accident statistics
> --> Yak-List message posted by: William Halverson <william@netpros.net>
>
>
> Hi Richard -
>
> Thanks for the note .. I checked with several insurance firms before I
> took delivery of the YAK ... since I only had about 20 hours in TW at
> the time they all told me the same thing ... no insurance until I had 25
> hours in type.
>
> Fortunately I was cautious and made it back without incident, got the
> time and have insurance.
> But $3400 a year for insurance is ... a lot ...
>
> Bill
>
>
> Richard Basiliere wrote:
>
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
<BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
> >
> >PS. Forest insured me for that NJ to CO flight with no time in type.
> >Rick Talk to Becky
> >
> >>>>wes@lppcs.com 01/18/03 09:57AM >>>
> >>>>
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: Wes Warner <wes@lppcs.com>
> >
> >Forest required me to have 3 hours dual in a 52, then I was covered.
> >
> >Wes
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Accident statistics - Single-Seat Checkout |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
My Sukhoi-29 and I are also available. We're in Colorado. Becky Kinert
of Forest and Bill Tabbart of Falcon know of me and "Sam". Regards,
Rick
>>> hairball192@yahoo.com 01/20/03 12:41AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Harry Hirschman
<hairball192@yahoo.com>
Single-Seat Red Star Drivers:
For those needing checkouts for single-seat airplanes
like the Yak-55, I wonder if your insurance companies
would consider time in a Sukhoi 29, Interavia E-3, or
Technoiva SP-95 as comparable. Same engine, same
wing, but two seats. The E-3 and SP-95 are nearly
identical to each other and are basically all-metal
versions of the Sukhoi 29. The E-3/SP-95's have the
notable characteristic of being convertible between
two-seat and single-seat configurations.
I recently took possession of an Interavia E-3 in the
San Francisco Bay area. If there are people nearby
that need some time in a comparable plane before
transitioning to their single-seat airplanes, let me
know. I'm glad to help.
Regards,
Harry
--- cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/19/2003 5:15:52 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> jnygard@cisco.com writes:
>
>
> >
> > As a low time pilot, my insurance company required
> 25 hours dual for me to
> > fly my CJ solo then an additional 15 hours to
> carry a passenger.
> > Joe
> Joe,
> What is your total time and ratings?
>
>
> Jim Goolsby
> cjpilot710@aol.com
> 386-467-3313 voice
> 386-467-3193 fax
> 386-503-9820cell
>
>
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> little safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
>
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| Subject: | Re: Accident statistics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
$2,200 full coverage for my -55 with either Forest or Falcon. 1 million
and 100,000 for IAC events. Rick
>>> william@netpros.net 01/21/03 10:09AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: William Halverson
<william@netpros.net>
Hi Richard -
Thanks for the note .. I checked with several insurance firms before I
took delivery of the YAK ... since I only had about 20 hours in TW at
the time they all told me the same thing ... no insurance until I had
25
hours in type.
Fortunately I was cautious and made it back without incident, got the
time and have insurance.
But $3400 a year for insurance is ... a lot ...
Bill
Richard Basiliere wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
<BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>
>PS. Forest insured me for that NJ to CO flight with no time in type.
>Rick Talk to Becky
>
>>>>wes@lppcs.com 01/18/03 09:57AM >>>
>>>>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Wes Warner <wes@lppcs.com>
>
>Forest required me to have 3 hours dual in a 52, then I was covered.
>
>Wes
>
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| Subject: | Accident statistics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
Second that, good people who actually understand our birds.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Accident statistics
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Cannon Aviation Insurance, Scottsdale, AZ (www.cannonaviiation.com) I
believe insures the vast majority of YAK's and CJ's. Talk with Tom Johnson,
tjohnson@cannonaviation.com. I think you will be favorably impressed.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Halverson" <william@netpros.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Accident statistics
> --> Yak-List message posted by: William Halverson <william@netpros.net>
>
>
> Hi Richard -
>
> Thanks for the note .. I checked with several insurance firms before I
> took delivery of the YAK ... since I only had about 20 hours in TW at
> the time they all told me the same thing ... no insurance until I had 25
> hours in type.
>
> Fortunately I was cautious and made it back without incident, got the
> time and have insurance.
> But $3400 a year for insurance is ... a lot ...
>
> Bill
>
>
> Richard Basiliere wrote:
>
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
<BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
> >
> >PS. Forest insured me for that NJ to CO flight with no time in type.
> >Rick Talk to Becky
> >
> >>>>wes@lppcs.com 01/18/03 09:57AM >>>
> >>>>
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: Wes Warner <wes@lppcs.com>
> >
> >Forest required me to have 3 hours dual in a 52, then I was covered.
> >
> >Wes
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Our rights... Interesting reading. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "swansonon" <swansonon@msn.com>
Amen.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Our rights... Interesting reading.
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> At 11:05 PM 1/19/2003, you wrote:
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne <cpayne@mc.net>
> >
> >Terry,
> >
> >Check this on the Truth or Fiction.com site:
> >http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/facecovered.htm
> >
> >Also interesting.
>
> The other interesting thing to me is that the missive goes against much of
> what the US stands for, e.g.:
>
> the right to dress as you wish, the right to speak as you wish, the right
> to worship as you wish, the right not to have someone else cram their
ideas
> of religion down your throat, etc.
>
> We do speak English (unless you ask someone from the UK as they tend to
> question the validity of that statement). We also speak almost every
other
> language on this earth. The bottom line though is that it is a lot more
> efficient to do business in English. Wanna do business and make money in
> the USoA? Speak English. If you don't want to speak English then accept
> the fact that it will be a lot harder for you to get a job and, by the
way,
> don't cry about your inability to get a job due to a language limitation
> because I am not interested in hearing about it. Regardless, you have the
> right to speak any language you choose and I encourage you to do
> so. Learned people speak more than one language.
>
> I do not accept that, because our country was founded by people who were
> predominantly of the Christian faith, we must forever accede to that
> faith. For that matter the hate and discontent between the various sects
> of the Christian faith is still evident and, I would hope, a source of
> shame to those self-proclaimed right-thinking Christians. Many of the
> biggest problems in this world today are the result of religious
> intolerance. For examples you need only look at Iran, Afghanistan and the
> Taliban, Lebanon, Israel and the Arab nations, and Northern Ireland.
>
> And before you get on your high-horse about how tolerant we are here,
think
> back to the beginning. The US was founded on religious intolerance. The
> Puritans had formed a virtual religious theocracy in England and finally
> got their asses kicked out. They came over here so they could have their
> own place where they could enforce their "Christian" religious beliefs on
> an entire population. It is not clear that we have fully recovered from
that.
>
> So if you want to put "In God We Trust" on the school wall I am not going
> to try to argue with you. If students want to get together at school and
> pray, fine with me. But don't EVER tell *me* I am required to pledge
> allegiance to that same God. Thank God you don't have the right to cram
> your religion down my throat in the US and certainly not in a public
school.
>
> So don't preach to me about the anglo-judeo-christian-centric background
of
> the United States. Sure that is part of our background but the slavish
> adherence to that as the "right way" sticks in my craw. I want to live in
> a country where everyone is courteous and respects the rights and beliefs
> of all other people, including people who do NOT share my
> anglo-judeo-christian background.
>
> No, I am not trying to be PC. If you are not Christian and walk up to you
> and say, "Merry Christmas," I expect you to accept that as a token of good
> will and my genuine wish that you have a pleasant holiday period, not that
> I am trying to force Christian beliefs on you. Likewise I will be pleased
> if you invite me to join you in a meal at the end of the day's fast during
> Ramadan.
>
> <sigh> Can we go back to talking about airplanes?
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Ste 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 +1.360.838.9669
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Accident statistics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
And as of today, if you insure with Cannon/Tom Johnson, you can qualify for
a 5% premium discount by taking my YAK 52 and M14 maintenance training
course.
BTW, Tom Johnson will soon be a new YAK 52 owner.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Accident statistics
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
>
> Second that, good people who actually understand our birds.
>
> Gus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis
> Savarese
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Accident statistics
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> Cannon Aviation Insurance, Scottsdale, AZ (www.cannonaviiation.com) I
> believe insures the vast majority of YAK's and CJ's. Talk with Tom
Johnson,
> tjohnson@cannonaviation.com. I think you will be favorably impressed.
> Dennis Savarese
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Halverson" <william@netpros.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com.Gecko/20020508.Netscape6/6.2.3>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Accident statistics
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: William Halverson <william@netpros.net>
> >
> >
> > Hi Richard -
> >
> > Thanks for the note .. I checked with several insurance firms before I
> > took delivery of the YAK ... since I only had about 20 hours in TW at
> > the time they all told me the same thing ... no insurance until I had 25
> > hours in type.
> >
> > Fortunately I was cautious and made it back without incident, got the
> > time and have insurance.
> > But $3400 a year for insurance is ... a lot ...
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > Richard Basiliere wrote:
> >
> > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
> <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
> > >
> > >PS. Forest insured me for that NJ to CO flight with no time in type.
> > >Rick Talk to Becky
> > >
> > >>>>wes@lppcs.com 01/18/03 09:57AM >>>
> > >>>>
> > >--> Yak-List message posted by: Wes Warner <wes@lppcs.com>
> > >
> > >Forest required me to have 3 hours dual in a 52, then I was covered.
> > >
> > >Wes
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Posted on AVWEB today |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" <alikatz@mbay.net>
Dennis,
How's everything going with you? I'm not sure if you received my last
reply to your letter but the shipment has arrived, Plane and Parts. If you
get sometime, I would love to see your New Purchase on the CJ-6 and you can
view what we have avialable. Congradulations on your New Toy.
I'll talk with you soon.
Jim, Jr
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Posted on AVWEB today
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> Chinese GA Market Goes Airborne
> A rumored coming change in Chinese airspace laws may soon in that country
> open a new general aviation market. While many GA manufacturers struggle
in
> the U.S. with layoffs and production slowdowns to boot, Shenyang Aircraft
> Industry Group of China (a major manufacturer of fighter planes for the
> Chinese military) recently announced it will roll out a light plane this
> year. The price tag is will likely fall between 500,000 and 600,000 yuan
> (U.S. $60,241 and U.S. $72,289). The country itself, by some estimates,
> currently contains about ten privately owned aircraft. Nanjing Light
> Aircraft Co. Ltd. began to design a five-seat AC-500 plane five years ago
> and plans to put it on the market early next year. So far, they have
> received about 30 orders. "As many Chinese entrepreneurs have made a big
> fortune from their private-owned businesses, small-sized planes are
becoming
> affordable," Wang Linjiang, the company's chief designer and general
> manager, told the Xinhua news agency. He adds that most of the orders they
> have taken are "from domestic private companies." Some might wonder how
> these companies plan to succeed, given China's tightly controlled
airspace.
> Wang doesn't seem to worry, as he was told by "a quite reliable source"
that
> regulations would soon be relaxed, and hopes the changes will help sell
500
> private aircraft per year. The Chinese government won't confirm that, but
> has hinted that its regulations are being reviewed.
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
Your course: How long? How much? Where? When? Prerequisite?
Tools/supplies needed? Thanks, Rick
>>> adsavar@gte.net 01/21/03 07:48PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
And as of today, if you insure with Cannon/Tom Johnson, you can qualify
for
a 5% premium discount by taking my YAK 52 and M14 maintenance training
course.
BTW, Tom Johnson will soon be a new YAK 52 owner.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Accident statistics
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
>
> Second that, good people who actually understand our birds.
>
> Gus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis
> Savarese
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Accident statistics
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<adsavar@gte.net>
>
> Cannon Aviation Insurance, Scottsdale, AZ (www.cannonaviiation.com)
I
> believe insures the vast majority of YAK's and CJ's. Talk with Tom
Johnson,
> tjohnson@cannonaviation.com. I think you will be favorably
impressed.
> Dennis Savarese
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Halverson" <william@netpros.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com.Gecko/20020508.Netscape6/6.2.3>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Accident statistics
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: William Halverson
<william@netpros.net>
> >
> >
> > Hi Richard -
> >
> > Thanks for the note .. I checked with several insurance firms
before I
> > took delivery of the YAK ... since I only had about 20 hours in
TW at
> > the time they all told me the same thing ... no insurance until I
had 25
> > hours in type.
> >
> > Fortunately I was cautious and made it back without incident, got
the
> > time and have insurance.
> > But $3400 a year for insurance is ... a lot ...
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > Richard Basiliere wrote:
> >
> > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
> <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
> > >
> > >PS. Forest insured me for that NJ to CO flight with no time in
type.
> > >Rick Talk to Becky
> > >
> > >>>>wes@lppcs.com 01/18/03 09:57AM >>>
> > >>>>
> > >--> Yak-List message posted by: Wes Warner <wes@lppcs.com>
> > >
> > >Forest required me to have 3 hours dual in a 52, then I was
covered.
> > >
> > >Wes
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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