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2. 09:00 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 01/24/03 (John W Finley)
3. 04:19 PM - Balmy FLA (Barry Hancock)
4. 06:11 PM - Be Aware FAA can pull anyone's license without recourse.. (Yakjock)
5. 06:12 PM - Re: Balmy FLA (cjpilot710@aol.com)
6. 06:18 PM - Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyone's license without recourse.. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
7. 06:32 PM - Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyone's license without recourse.. (Craig Payne)
8. 06:54 PM - Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyone's license without recourse.. (Cy Galley)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 11:58 PM, brian wrote:
> Look for a leak in the emergency gear extension valve. Also look for a
> stuck
> shuttle valve between the main and emergency pneumatic systems. It
> sounds like
>
> the emergency side of the system is becoming pressurized either through
> a leak
>
> in one of the shuttle valves or from the emergency air supply. You
> might not
> notice the leak because the compressor is keeping the emergency bottle
> refilled.
That's exactly what i was thinking. I had the same problem and
indications last year. It only takes a couple pounds of pressure to
move those shuttles and once they get even a little bit stuck, you end
up with exactly the problem you descirbe.
I took out *all* the shuttle valves and OH'd them. You will probably
find a couple of 'em gunked up and perhaps a few of the springs are
rusted. I used air tool oil to lube them up and use it to keep my
system lubed as well. I have not had any more problems in 150+ hrs. of
flying in the last year.
BTW, had a great time yesterday...9 ships met in Blythe, CA...half way
between SoCal and Phoenix. We burned 322.6 gallons of gas and a good
time was had by all. Drew, after going through fighter lead-in school
in T-38's, Spec. Ops. Gunships, type rated in the C-141 and 757-767, can
now add the illustrious FAST Wingman's patch to his list of highly
coveted airmanship awards! :)
Barry Hancock
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
California Condors Squadron
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 01/24/03 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: John W Finley <finleycj6@juno.com>
Jay, I have had the same problem on my CJ. Same symptoms, etc. The cause
was found to be one of the shuttle valves between the normal and
emergency systems. Unfortunately, any one of them can cause the problem.
I found mine in the left main uplock shuttle; the rubber plug had
deformed and cracked allowing normal air to pressurixe the emergency
system enough to affect retraction. You will just have to start looking
at every one until you find a bad one ( it will be obvious and probably
the last one you check).......Good luck, ....John
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
> Man its quiet out here, I guess the cold has constricted the internet.
> Its even
> a balmy 25 degrees here in Central Fl.
Oh, BTW, it was about 80 yesterday at Blythe. Today I was on the tennis
court for 3.5 hours and it was 85 in sunny SoCal. One thing I *hate*
about where I live is the aerobatic practice area for the local airports
is *right* next to my house. These dirt bags come out here and tear up
the sky all day long...as if to say "neener, neener, neener, I'm flying
and YOUR not!" It can be kinda fun as I know a few of them and they fly
on the US National team...the hand-held comes in handy. Out of nowhere
comes a voice "Steve, you were a little bit past vertical on that
upline..." This, of course, coming from a guy who's only known what an
upline is for a couple years...
Yep, California is a great place to live, especially if you like to pay
LOTS of taxes. Next, Gov. Grey-out Davis will present a plan to tax our
sunshine. My airplanes really do like it though, they're very
accustomed to this political environment.
Uh, oh, I hear the baby squirming...I knew that flight suit was a little
warm for him.
Barry Hancock
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
California Condors Squadron
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | Be Aware FAA can pull anyone's license without recourse.. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
I picked this up on the avionics list. This isn't the American way of doing things
that I treasure!
Time: 07:49:16 AM PST US
From: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
business journal <phoenix@bizjournals.com>, CHANNEL 3 <scott@azfamily.com>,
Chuck Mulloy <cdmbam@yahoo.com>, drudge <drudge@drudgereport.com>,
George W Bush <president@whitehouse.gov>,
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Mariann <info@arizonaaviation.com>, Mike DiFrisco <mdifrisco@eaa.org>,
Paul Bessing kitlog <pbesing@yahoo.com>,
to send to Jodel Group <jodel@yahoogroups.com>,
ZENITH LIST <zenith-list@matronics.com>,
"rv-list@matronics.com" <rv-list@matronics.com>,
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Subject: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without recourse..
SECURITY
--> Avionics-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
You're Grounded/Suspended: TSA Trumps FAA
TSA Takes Over Issuance/Maintenance of Certificates, in New NPRM
In the Federal Register Friday, 01.24.2003, you'll be able to see that
you can be
knocked out of the air -- just like that -- if the TSA alleges that you
pose
a 'security risk.' Pilots will be immediately grounded; mechanics, DERs
--
everybody who holds a certificate of any kind from the FAA -- can be
immediately out of a job.
The TSA will notify you that you are considered a 'security risk.' It
will
notify the FAA; and the FAA will immediately suspend your ticket(s),
pending
your 'appeal.'
You will then have to convince the TSA (which already declared you a
'security risk') that you are not a 'security risk,' without your
knowing
why they think you are such a risk. Then, when the TSA issues its final
ruling, the FAA will revoke your papers.
We wanted some confirmation on this, and called the TSA. Chris Rhatigan,
in
the press office there, said, "You may have to talk to the FAA on that."
We read her a part of the summary, which says, "This final rule
expressly
makes a person ineligible to hold FAA-issued airman certificates if the
Transportation Security Administration notifies the FAA in writing that
the
person poses a security threat."
As we continued reading, and noted that the TSA was calling the shots,
she
said, "Hold on a second." She returned, and said, "This [determination
that
you're a security threat] comes from an intelligence database." OK --
so,
how do we know how big a threat, or how it's determined that one even is
such a threat? "We don't tell people how to get on to that database,"
she
said. In other words, if you're denied your certificate, you won't be
able
to find out why -- just that someone, somewhere, thinks you're a
'security
risk.'
Ms Rhatigan informed us that everything would be spelled out in the
NPRM,
and that we'd have to wait until Friday, to see what was getting
published
in the Federal Register. Well, folks the law goes into effect Friday. No
NPRM. No discussion. Decree. Tough.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
I got up this morning and from my den window I found a sight not seen here is
some time. The fernery next door had been pumping water all night trying to
protect the ferns from the cold. The acre lot next to me was under water and
it was frozen over. Not quite thick enough for skating but hard enough that
a local Sandpiper fell on his ass trying to walk on it. At sunset this
evening, I had a beautiful sight from my den over looking my now "water
front" property with the setting sun reflecting off the still water.
It all gave me a pause for a bit of reflection. We had a memorial service
for a departed neighbor and friend today. "Bud" a tall lanky old Florida boy
had been born and raised in Miami like me. His dad had been a pilot, his
license signed by one of the Wright brothers. Bud tried to become a fighter
pilot during WW2, but he was to tall so they put him in bombers. However the
war ended before he could get into the fight and like so many, he came home,
went to college, became an engineer, and for many years was big in the
construction business in south Florida and the Bahamas Islands. Using his
Aero Commander or his C-337 flying back and forth to the islands.
When he retired, he built a little farm right across from our airpark. His
son also an engineer and rated pilot, would fly in and just walk a few yards
to his folks home to visit. Bud and his wife Julia, were always at our
airpark parties, until the last year when he became to just to feeble to
come. A few months ago, they had to move into a senior home for help. Just
few weeks ago Bud took a spill, broke his hip and died of pneumonia a week
ago.
After the family spread his ashes on the farm, they had a little reception at
our house today. It was here that after all these years, the 9 anyway that I
knew Bud and Julia, I learned more about him. It turns out that my family
and his, knew many of the same aviation folks that were a big part of south
Florida's aviation history. When I was flying DC-3s for Hal DuPont between
Freeport and Miami, Bud and his construction partner, were on our airplanes
almost every day commuting to the island of Grand Bahamas. Back than
Freeport just had a 3,500' coral gravel strip. They were good friends with
Mary and Charlie Gaffaney, my first boss when I became a flight instructor
out of high school and Mary had taught Bud's son to fly. We knew all the same
old airfields that no longer exist there. Learning more of Bud's past, was
like reliving a lot of my younger days. It was uncanny that we never "knew"
each other, but I guess our paths never crossed until these last quite years.
Anyway Bud with his caustic, dry wit and flare for an "understatement" is
gone. We will not see the twinkle of mirth under those bushy eyebrows, as he
waits for you to get the punch line. Nor hear stories of the pearls and pit
falls of flying the islands in those early days. At the memorial service
someone read "High Flight." Most 'ground pounders' can never appreciate
those words but us pilots at the service didn't have a dry eye.
Freeze warnings again tonight.
Jim Goolsby
cjpilot710@aol.com
386-467-3313 voice
386-467-3193 fax
386-503-9820cell
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
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| Subject: | Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyone's license without recourse.. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Maybe Benjamin Franklin's words still hold a lot of relevance?
I guess we need to start writing a lot of letters to congressman and
senators. Than vote the bastards OUT of Office.
Jim Goolsby
cjpilot710@aol.com
386-467-3313 voice
386-467-3193 fax
386-503-9820cell
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
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| Subject: | Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyone's license without recourse.. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne <cpayne@mc.net>
Yep, this story was also in the latest AOPA e-newsletter. "Security"?
Save us from ourselves. Somebody was sleeping before 9/11 and now much
face needs saving. I believe this comes straight from the National
Security Advisory committee.
Craig Payne
> SECURITY
>
> --> Avionics-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
>
>
> You're Grounded/Suspended: TSA Trumps FAA
> TSA Takes Over Issuance/Maintenance of Certificates, in New NPRM
>
> In the Federal Register Friday, 01.24.2003, you'll be able to see that
> you can be
> knocked out of the air -- just like that -- if the TSA alleges that you
> pose
> a 'security risk.' Pilots will be immediately grounded; mechanics, DERs
> --
> everybody who holds a certificate of any kind from the FAA -- can be
> immediately out of a job.
>
> The TSA will notify you that you are considered a 'security risk.' It
> will
> notify the FAA; and the FAA will immediately suspend your ticket(s),
> pending
> your 'appeal.'
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| Subject: | Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyone's license without recourse.. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
You can make an electronic comment on the NPRM 2003-14293. I thought maybe
some of the rest of you might have a need to do this. I did so here are my
instructions and suggestions.
1. I went to: http://dms.dot.gov and clicked on the "comment/submissions"
tab. You can also do a search at this point.
2. I clicked continue on the next page.
3. After entering the docket number. You only need to enter 14293; the
digits after the dash. It then took me to the comment page. It is probably
best to enter in your personal data but it doesn't not seem to be required.
4. Enter you comment in the box and click on submit. That's all.
HINT! You can copy and paste in your comments so I composed and Spell
Checked it in Outlook Express but you could do the same copy and paste from
a word processor. I need this to make me look intelligent.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
Incidentally, this falderol falls into the same category as the dumb
question they used to ask... "Did any one that you don't know give you
something to carry on the plane?"
Do they really think that revoking a piece paper will stop a terrorist?
If they are going to summarily take away your aviation license on a
terrorist pretext, why not your driver's license, or trucker's license, or
doctor's license, or train engineer's license. If the FBI or the TSA has
solid evidence then physically detain them under current law. Sending them a
letter revoking their license won't do any thing except warn the real
terrorists to vanish. What a "paper tiger!"
Remember the big search for 5 terrorists that entered the country from
Canada? You know the ones that didn't exist! This is another smokescreen to
make it look like they are improving security but are just wasting
taxpayer's time and money.
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com
We support Aeroncas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Be Aware FAA can pull anyone's license without recourse..
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
>
> I picked this up on the avionics list. This isn't the American way of
doing things that I treasure!
>
>
> Time: 07:49:16 AM PST US
> From: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
> business journal <phoenix@bizjournals.com>, CHANNEL 3
<scott@azfamily.com>,
> Chuck Mulloy <cdmbam@yahoo.com>, drudge
<drudge@drudgereport.com>,
> George W Bush <president@whitehouse.gov>,
> Joe Norris EAA Information <jnorris@eaa.org>,
> Mariann <info@arizonaaviation.com>, Mike DiFrisco
<mdifrisco@eaa.org>,
> Paul Bessing kitlog <pbesing@yahoo.com>,
> to send to Jodel Group <jodel@yahoogroups.com>,
> ZENITH LIST <zenith-list@matronics.com>,
> "rv-list@matronics.com" <rv-list@matronics.com>,
> "avionics-list@matronics.com" <avionics-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without recourse..
> SECURITY
>
> --> Avionics-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
>
>
> You're Grounded/Suspended: TSA Trumps FAA
> TSA Takes Over Issuance/Maintenance of Certificates, in New NPRM
>
> In the Federal Register Friday, 01.24.2003, you'll be able to see
that
> you can be
> knocked out of the air -- just like that -- if the TSA alleges that
you
> pose
> a 'security risk.' Pilots will be immediately grounded; mechanics,
DERs
> --
> everybody who holds a certificate of any kind from the FAA -- can be
> immediately out of a job.
>
> The TSA will notify you that you are considered a 'security risk.'
It
> will
> notify the FAA; and the FAA will immediately suspend your ticket(s),
> pending
> your 'appeal.'
>
> You will then have to convince the TSA (which already declared you a
> 'security risk') that you are not a 'security risk,' without your
> knowing
> why they think you are such a risk. Then, when the TSA issues its
final
> ruling, the FAA will revoke your papers.
>
> We wanted some confirmation on this, and called the TSA. Chris
Rhatigan,
> in
> the press office there, said, "You may have to talk to the FAA on
that."
>
> We read her a part of the summary, which says, "This final rule
> expressly
> makes a person ineligible to hold FAA-issued airman certificates if
the
> Transportation Security Administration notifies the FAA in writing
that
> the
> person poses a security threat."
>
> As we continued reading, and noted that the TSA was calling the
shots,
> she
> said, "Hold on a second." She returned, and said, "This
[determination
> that
> you're a security threat] comes from an intelligence database."
OK --
> so,
> how do we know how big a threat, or how it's determined that one
even is
>
> such a threat? "We don't tell people how to get on to that
database,"
> she
> said. In other words, if you're denied your certificate, you won't
be
> able
> to find out why -- just that someone, somewhere, thinks you're a
> 'security
> risk.'
>
> Ms Rhatigan informed us that everything would be spelled out in the
> NPRM,
> and that we'd have to wait until Friday, to see what was getting
> published
> in the Federal Register. Well, folks the law goes into effect
Friday. No
>
> NPRM. No discussion. Decree. Tough.
>
>
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