Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:26 AM - chat room (Brian Lloyd)
2. 04:44 AM - Re: chat room (Brian Lloyd)
3. 05:19 AM - Re: chat room & such. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
4. 05:38 AM - Chat Room (MFilucci@aol.com)
5. 06:11 AM - Re: Chat Room (Ernie)
6. 06:14 AM - Re: chat room (dabear)
7. 06:23 AM - Re: Chat Room (dabear)
8. 06:27 AM - dyslexia (Brian Lloyd)
9. 06:27 AM - Re: Yak 52 vs. CJ Wheels (DONALD ANDREWS)
10. 07:01 AM - Re: Yak 52 vs. CJ Wheels (A. Dennis Savarese)
11. 08:10 AM - Desser Tubes (cpayne@mc.net)
12. 08:40 AM - Re: Desser Tubes (A. Dennis Savarese)
13. 09:10 AM - Re: Desser Tubes (Michael Di Marco)
14. 09:29 AM - Re: Desser Tubes (A. Dennis Savarese)
15. 09:31 AM - Re: Desser Tubes (Ernie)
16. 09:49 AM - Re: Desser Tubes (A. Dennis Savarese)
17. 10:28 AM - More Desser Tubes (cpayne@mc.net)
18. 10:49 AM - Desser Tube Statement (cpayne@mc.net)
19. 11:01 AM - LOA's (Ernie)
20. 12:28 PM - Think things get testy here? (Ernie)
21. 01:31 PM - Re: Think things get testy here? (Brian Lloyd)
22. 02:43 PM - Re: Think things get testy here? (Cy Galley)
23. 03:21 PM - Re: LOA's (FOUGAPILOT@aol.com)
24. 03:59 PM - Re: More Desser Tubes (A. Dennis Savarese)
25. 04:28 PM - [Fw: Yak Tubes] (Craig Payne)
26. 05:08 PM - Chat Board (Frank Haertlein)
27. 05:16 PM - Re: Think things get testy here? (Ernie)
28. 05:18 PM - Re: LOA's (Ernie)
29. 05:43 PM - Re: Chat Board (Brian Lloyd)
30. 07:16 PM - Chat Room (MFilucci@aol.com)
31. 08:26 PM - Re: Think things get testy here? (D Zeman)
32. 08:30 PM - Re: [Fw: Yak Tubes] (D Zeman)
33. 11:05 PM - Re: LOA's (Jon Boede)
34. 11:22 PM - Re: Chat Board (Frank Haertlein)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Mailing lists and chat rooms have very different characteristics and if you like
one you probably won't like the other.
Chat rooms are for immediate communications. All the people need to be on line
and typing at the same time. THis usually implies that they are only a few
time-zones apart at most. It also means that you need to type quickly and be
able to abbreviate everything so that you can get your point across quickly and
not get too behind in the conversation. It has all the features of a real time
conversation without using voice.
Mailling lists let you read at your leisure and not be constrained in time,
something that I am sure is useful to members in Europe and Australia as well as
points inbetween. Also mailing lists allow you to take your time to get your
thoughts in order before posting.
Both systems have their places. I have never found chat to be particularly
useful since email is almost as fast when both people are on-line at the same
time and email still works when people are on different schedules. So email
satisfies my "necessary and sufficient" test. OTOH my son uses chat all the
time to coverse in real-time with his friends back in California. He prefers it
to email. It does take me awhile to figure out what they are saying since they
use abbreviations for everything but that is what makes it work.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Brian Lloyd wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Man, I can tell that it was my first email of the morning. My typing and
spelling in that last message went to hell. My apologies.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: chat room & such. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
I tried the chat room last night. I was late and there was no one there of
course. Like Brain says it may not be you cup of tea.
I'm with Brain (even with his poor spelling). I believe that the YPA folks
deserve any and all services that can be provided. I've seen the YPA site
grow slowly but is improving all the time. The Red Star web page is great
too. Still some part are under construction but it will be great when
finished also.
Navigating a site can be cause confusion. I think it also takes time for a
group of people to figure out just what is REALLY needed for their particular
endeavor. On any site, the most important part is that the information on it
be up-to-date AND accurate. Lost of pictures, often.
If this e-mail list could somehow be incorprated into both Red Star and YPA
sites, would be nice.
Jim Goolsby
cjpilot710@aol.com
386-467-3313 voice
386-467-3193 fax
386-503-9820cell
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
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--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
In a message dated 1/30/03 8:28:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
fraseg@comcast.net writes:
> Mike don't drag every one away from here otherwise it will get all too
> confusing
>
If you are easily confused it is best that you choose wisely in all that you
do.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I heard yesterday that 5 out of 3 pilots are dyslexsic.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: <MFilucci@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Chat Room
> --> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/30/03 8:28:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> fraseg@comcast.net writes:
>
>
> > Mike don't drag every one away from here otherwise it will get all too
> > confusing
> >
> If you are easily confused it is best that you choose wisely in all that
you
> do.
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "dabear" <dabear@damned.org>
imagine what that would have looked like in a chat room.
Al DeVere
BTDT
:-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: chat room
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> Brian Lloyd wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> Man, I can tell that it was my first email of the morning. My
typing and
> spelling in that last message went to hell. My apologies.
>
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza,
Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "dabear" <dabear@damned.org>
I heard that as well, however 93.2% of all statistics are made up on
the spot.
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chat Room
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie"
<ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> I heard yesterday that 5 out of 3 pilots are dyslexsic.
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MFilucci@aol.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Chat Room
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 1/30/03 8:28:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > fraseg@comcast.net writes:
> >
> >
> > > Mike don't drag every one away from here otherwise it will get
all too
> > > confusing
> > >
> > If you are easily confused it is best that you choose wisely in
all that
> you
> > do.
> >
> >
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
>I heard yesterday that 5 out of 3 pilots are dyslexsic.
If that's right then who's left?
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 vs. CJ Wheels |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "DONALD ANDREWS" <dandmaz23@msn.com>
Jeff,
The Yak tube stems are different length the CJ/Yak tubes are not
inter-changeable.
Don Andrews
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 vs. CJ Wheels
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh"
<jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
>
> I just came across a set of Yak 52 wheels in great shape. I am planning
to
> get them polished and swap them for mine on my CJ.
>
> Anyone know for a fact that the Yak 52 and CJ main wheels are identical?
On
> visual inspection they appear identical. If someone already had the
> experience with this it would just save a bunch of time with a micrometer.
> I seem to remember at one of our gatherings that there was a blown tire on
a
> CJ and a grounded Yak 52 that loaned a wheel....
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Jeff Linebaugh
> jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 vs. CJ Wheels |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the problem that most of us
YAK 52 and CJ owners have had with tube stems is not necessarily with the
original Russian/Chinese tube stems, but with the replacement US made tubes
from Desser. At least this has been my experience and true with respect to
the Yak 52 wheels. Instead of the Desser made tube stems being straight
like the original, the tubes from Desser, although well made of course, are
slightly bent, thus requiring one to do some modifications to the hub. I
recently decided to order the original Russian tubes from Mark Jefferies in
the UK. With shipping from the UK, they were about the same price as the
ones available from Desser. Thus a no brainer for me.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "DONALD ANDREWS" <dandmaz23@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 vs. CJ Wheels
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "DONALD ANDREWS" <dandmaz23@msn.com>
>
> Jeff,
> The Yak tube stems are different length the CJ/Yak tubes are not
> inter-changeable.
> Don Andrews
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
> To: "yak-list@matronics. com" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 vs. CJ Wheels
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh"
> <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
> >
> > I just came across a set of Yak 52 wheels in great shape. I am planning
> to
> > get them polished and swap them for mine on my CJ.
> >
> > Anyone know for a fact that the Yak 52 and CJ main wheels are identical?
> On
> > visual inspection they appear identical. If someone already had the
> > experience with this it would just save a bunch of time with a
micrometer.
> > I seem to remember at one of our gatherings that there was a blown tire
on
> a
> > CJ and a grounded Yak 52 that loaned a wheel....
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > Jeff Linebaugh
> > jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@mc.net
Hmmm, I must have done something wrong then when I installed Desser tubes
all around. Mine seem to fit OK, maybe I just didn't know any better. Of
course I have the CJ, so maybe that is the diff. However, I don't like
the fact that the valve seems to seated a little deeper in the stem,
making it difficult to use some hose chucks and air guages.
Craig Payne
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the problem that most of us
YAK 52 and CJ owners have had with tube stems is not necessarily with the
original Russian/Chinese tube stems, but with the replacement US made tubes
from Desser. At least this has been my experience and true with respect to
the Yak 52 wheels. Instead of the Desser made tube stems being straight
like the original, the tubes from Desser, although well made of course, are
slightly bent, thus requiring one to do some modifications to the hub. I
recently decided to order the original Russian tubes from Mark Jefferies in
the UK. With shipping from the UK, they were about the same price as the
ones available from Desser. Thus a no brainer for me.
Dennis Savarese
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| Subject: | Re: Desser Tubes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
I seriously doubt you did anything wrong Craig. But you might be correct
with respect to the stock CJ tubes vs. the YAK 52 tubes. I'll try to explain
what the difference is between the Desser and Russian tube valve stems.
The Russian YAK 52 tubes have a 90 degree bend coming off the tube itself.
From that point to the opening where the valve stem is inserted, it is
perfectly straight. The Desser tubes also have the 90 degree bend in them
coming off the tube, but instead of being perfectly straight from the bend
to the end, the shank has a slight bend, maybe about 5-10 degrees out then
back in again, in it. Probably not a very good description, but that's the
best way I can describe it. Anyway, when installing the Desser tubes in the
52 hub, I had to file the valve stem slot at the inner most part of the hub
to allow for the bend in the Desser valve stem to clear the hub.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: <cpayne@mc.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Desser Tubes
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@mc.net
>
> Hmmm, I must have done something wrong then when I installed Desser tubes
> all around. Mine seem to fit OK, maybe I just didn't know any better. Of
> course I have the CJ, so maybe that is the diff. However, I don't like
> the fact that the valve seems to seated a little deeper in the stem,
> making it difficult to use some hose chucks and air guages.
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
> Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the problem that most of us
> YAK 52 and CJ owners have had with tube stems is not necessarily with the
> original Russian/Chinese tube stems, but with the replacement US made
tubes
> from Desser. At least this has been my experience and true with respect
to
> the Yak 52 wheels. Instead of the Desser made tube stems being straight
> like the original, the tubes from Desser, although well made of course,
are
> slightly bent, thus requiring one to do some modifications to the hub. I
> recently decided to order the original Russian tubes from Mark Jefferies
in
> the UK. With shipping from the UK, they were about the same price as the
> ones available from Desser. Thus a no brainer for me.
> Dennis Savarese
>
> -
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Desser Tubes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco <mgdimarco@yahoo.com>
Please refer to a previous set of notes concerning CJ tubes. I motivated Doug
to do a little research about "500x150" tubes. I pulled out a tube with creases
in it and noted the replacement was about an inch less in diameter.
Doug found the difference and not all 500x150 tubes are equal. For the CJ, look
for the roman numeral II after the 500x150 designator to fit properly. Sort
of a 500x150 Junior.
Mike Di Marco
China Blue
cpayne@mc.net wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@mc.net
Hmmm, I must have done something wrong then when I installed Desser tubes
all around. Mine seem to fit OK, maybe I just didn't know any better. Of
course I have the CJ, so maybe that is the diff. However, I don't like
the fact that the valve seems to seated a little deeper in the stem,
making it difficult to use some hose chucks and air guages.
Craig Payne
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the problem that most of us
YAK 52 and CJ owners have had with tube stems is not necessarily with the
original Russian/Chinese tube stems, but with the replacement US made tubes
from Desser. At least this has been my experience and true with respect to
the Yak 52 wheels. Instead of the Desser made tube stems being straight
like the original, the tubes from Desser, although well made of course, are
slightly bent, thus requiring one to do some modifications to the hub. I
recently decided to order the original Russian tubes from Mark Jefferies in
the UK. With shipping from the UK, they were about the same price as the
ones available from Desser. Thus a no brainer for me.
Dennis Savarese
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| Subject: | Re: Desser Tubes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Thanks Michael. I'm going to look at my new Russian tubes and see if they
are marked similarly.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Di Marco" <mgdimarco@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Desser Tubes
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco <mgdimarco@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Please refer to a previous set of notes concerning CJ tubes. I motivated
Doug to do a little research about "500x150" tubes. I pulled out a tube
with creases in it and noted the replacement was about an inch less in
diameter.
>
> Doug found the difference and not all 500x150 tubes are equal. For the
CJ, look for the roman numeral II after the 500x150 designator to fit
properly. Sort of a 500x150 Junior.
>
> Mike Di Marco
> China Blue
> cpayne@mc.net wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@mc.net
>
> Hmmm, I must have done something wrong then when I installed Desser tubes
> all around. Mine seem to fit OK, maybe I just didn't know any better. Of
> course I have the CJ, so maybe that is the diff. However, I don't like
> the fact that the valve seems to seated a little deeper in the stem,
> making it difficult to use some hose chucks and air guages.
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
> Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the problem that most of us
> YAK 52 and CJ owners have had with tube stems is not necessarily with the
> original Russian/Chinese tube stems, but with the replacement US made
tubes
> from Desser. At least this has been my experience and true with respect to
> the Yak 52 wheels. Instead of the Desser made tube stems being straight
> like the original, the tubes from Desser, although well made of course,
are
> slightly bent, thus requiring one to do some modifications to the hub. I
> recently decided to order the original Russian tubes from Mark Jefferies
in
> the UK. With shipping from the UK, they were about the same price as the
> ones available from Desser. Thus a no brainer for me.
> Dennis Savarese
>
> -
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Desser Tubes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I couldnt use the desser tube in my CJ rim, the stem was shaped like a
question mark.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: <cpayne@mc.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Desser Tubes
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@mc.net
>
> Hmmm, I must have done something wrong then when I installed Desser tubes
> all around. Mine seem to fit OK, maybe I just didn't know any better. Of
> course I have the CJ, so maybe that is the diff. However, I don't like
> the fact that the valve seems to seated a little deeper in the stem,
> making it difficult to use some hose chucks and air guages.
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
> Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the problem that most of us
> YAK 52 and CJ owners have had with tube stems is not necessarily with the
> original Russian/Chinese tube stems, but with the replacement US made
tubes
> from Desser. At least this has been my experience and true with respect
to
> the Yak 52 wheels. Instead of the Desser made tube stems being straight
> like the original, the tubes from Desser, although well made of course,
are
> slightly bent, thus requiring one to do some modifications to the hub. I
> recently decided to order the original Russian tubes from Mark Jefferies
in
> the UK. With shipping from the UK, they were about the same price as the
> ones available from Desser. Thus a no brainer for me.
> Dennis Savarese
>
> -
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Desser Tubes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
That's a PERFECT description Ernie. Precisely what was wrong when I tried
to install them.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Desser Tubes
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> I couldnt use the desser tube in my CJ rim, the stem was shaped like a
> question mark.
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <cpayne@mc.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Desser Tubes
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@mc.net
> >
> > Hmmm, I must have done something wrong then when I installed Desser
tubes
> > all around. Mine seem to fit OK, maybe I just didn't know any better. Of
> > course I have the CJ, so maybe that is the diff. However, I don't like
> > the fact that the valve seems to seated a little deeper in the stem,
> > making it difficult to use some hose chucks and air guages.
> >
> > Craig Payne
> >
> >
> > Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the problem that most of
us
> > YAK 52 and CJ owners have had with tube stems is not necessarily with
the
> > original Russian/Chinese tube stems, but with the replacement US made
> tubes
> > from Desser. At least this has been my experience and true with respect
> to
> > the Yak 52 wheels. Instead of the Desser made tube stems being straight
> > like the original, the tubes from Desser, although well made of course,
> are
> > slightly bent, thus requiring one to do some modifications to the hub.
I
> > recently decided to order the original Russian tubes from Mark Jefferies
> in
> > the UK. With shipping from the UK, they were about the same price as
the
> > ones available from Desser. Thus a no brainer for me.
> > Dennis Savarese
> >
> > -
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | More Desser Tubes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@mc.net
Dennis, et al:
Perhaps there more going on here with these differences. My Desser tubes
seemed the same, I compared before I installed. Maybe some batch
differences?
*Real Yakkers*: are there any differences between Yak-52 and -55 wheels?
Perhaps some production changes along the way? This is a Safety issue
and we need to discover the root cause of the differences.
I will contact Desser and ask since they are YPA Directory advertisers.
Craig Payne
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
I seriously doubt you did anything wrong Craig. But you might be correct
with respect to the stock CJ tubes vs. the YAK 52 tubes. I'll try to explain
what the difference is between the Desser and Russian tube valve stems.
The Russian YAK 52 tubes have a 90 degree bend coming off the tube itself.
From that point to the opening where the valve stem is inserted, it is
perfectly straight. The Desser tubes also have the 90 degree bend in them
coming off the tube, but instead of being perfectly straight from the bend
to the end, the shank has a slight bend, maybe about 5-10 degrees out then
back in again, in it. Probably not a very good description, but that's the
best way I can describe it. Anyway, when installing the Desser tubes in the
52 hub, I had to file the valve stem slot at the inner most part of the hub
to allow for the bend in the Desser valve stem to clear the hub.
Dennis Savarese
----- Ori
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| Subject: | Desser Tube Statement |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@mc.net
All,
I'll forward a post later from Desser following
my conversation with them.
Pertinent facts:
- It's the nose stem that has the "?" shape
- The main tube stems are straight from the elbow
- Main tubes were made in USA 3 years ago but
now are procured from Eastern Europe supplier.
- Nose tubes are made in USA.
- "Bad" tubes should be sent back to Desser for
analysis
Craig Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Any of you jet guys out there know whats happening with the new poposed LOA rules.
I heard that they were going to take the authority away from the FSDO's and
make it like a type certification on your license. I read a while ago that this
was supposed to go into effect in Feb but I havent heard any more about it.
Ernie
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| Subject: | Think things get testy here? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I recently joined Classic Jets Association and posted a question on their message
board. Whew, you think things get testy on this list?? You should see the shelacking
I got on that board, but since I made mention to this list as a comparison,
I think you guys might get a chuckle out of how your jet bretheren regard
Yakkers.
Go to this link, and follow the threads.
http://www.classicjets.org/cgi-bin/webbbs_config.pl?read80
Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: Think things get testy here? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Ernie wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> I recently joined Classic Jets Association and posted a question on their
> message board. Whew, you think things get testy on this list?? You should see
> the shelacking I got on that board, but since I made mention to this list as
> a comparison, I think you guys might get a chuckle out of how your jet
> bretheren regard Yakkers.
I wandered over to take a peek. Pretty funny Ernie! Bad boy! He slapped you
down a good 'un. And my reaction to the first response you got would have been
about the same as yours. So much for welcoming a new person on the list.
I have noticed that many "heavy iron" warbird drivers seem to think that the
size of their cojones is directly proportional to the size of their fuel bill.
The other interesting thing I have noticed is that the ones who are really good
pilots seem to be mostly interested in flying and sharing whereas the others who
got their by dint of dollars seem to look down their noses. Ah well, gotta
separate the men from the boys somehow, right? I suspect that most wouldn't
know how to deal with an inverted spin in a T-33 tho'. (And no, I am not
claiming to know, only that I was told that it is a gold-plated bitch to get out
of according to someone who instructed in them.)
> Go to this link, and follow the threads.
> http://www.classicjets.org/cgi-bin/webbbs_config.pl?read80
>
> Ernie
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: Think things get testy here? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Dave Sutton did a very fine job. I think the Home Depot was a tongue in
cheek attempt at humor. You shouldn't take things so personally as everyone
has a bad day once in a while.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Think things get testy here?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> Ernie wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> >
> > I recently joined Classic Jets Association and posted a question on
their
> > message board. Whew, you think things get testy on this list?? You
should see
> > the shelacking I got on that board, but since I made mention to this
list as
> > a comparison, I think you guys might get a chuckle out of how your jet
> > bretheren regard Yakkers.
>
> I wandered over to take a peek. Pretty funny Ernie! Bad boy! He slapped
you
> down a good 'un. And my reaction to the first response you got would have
been
> about the same as yours. So much for welcoming a new person on the list.
>
> I have noticed that many "heavy iron" warbird drivers seem to think that
the
> size of their cojones is directly proportional to the size of their fuel
bill.
> The other interesting thing I have noticed is that the ones who are really
good
> pilots seem to be mostly interested in flying and sharing whereas the
others who
> got their by dint of dollars seem to look down their noses. Ah well,
gotta
> separate the men from the boys somehow, right? I suspect that most
wouldn't
> know how to deal with an inverted spin in a T-33 tho'. (And no, I am not
> claiming to know, only that I was told that it is a gold-plated bitch to
get out
> of according to someone who instructed in them.)
>
> > Go to this link, and follow the threads.
> > http://www.classicjets.org/cgi-bin/webbbs_config.pl?read80
> >
> > Ernie
>
>
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: FOUGAPILOT@aol.com
Last I heard was from the EAA Warbird magazine. They had a good article in
the December issue. To the best of my knowledge, the LOAs will be replaced
by ETR (experimental Type Rating) which should be valid for as long as your
certificate is, providing the training requirements specified in FAR61 are
completed. I is also my understanding that if you send your valid LOA to
your FSDO he should automatically issue a ETR on your certificate. In any
case, I strongly recommend you call the EAA government affair department to
obtain the truth and get all the answers before you go and ask any questions
to your FSDO.
Cheers.
Dan Fortin
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| Subject: | Re: More Desser Tubes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Craig,
I think you found the root of the problem. The main inner tubes I
purchased from Desser was about 2.5 years ago and more than likely came from
the batch manufactured before Desser procured the valve stems from an
eastern European supplier. If I would have known that, I wouldn't have
ordered the Russian inner tubes through Mark Jefferies in the UK. But
because of my previous experience, at the time I went to install them
(October 2000), when I called Desser about the problem, they had no fix but
did offer to take them back. I couldn't do that because my airplane was on
jacks and we were finishing up the annual.
Thanks very much Craig for your efforts. It is much appreciated.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: <cpayne@mc.net>
Subject: Yak-List: More Desser Tubes
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@mc.net
>
> Dennis, et al:
>
> Perhaps there more going on here with these differences. My Desser tubes
> seemed the same, I compared before I installed. Maybe some batch
> differences?
>
> *Real Yakkers*: are there any differences between Yak-52 and -55 wheels?
> Perhaps some production changes along the way? This is a Safety issue
> and we need to discover the root cause of the differences.
>
> I will contact Desser and ask since they are YPA Directory advertisers.
>
> Craig Payne
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> I seriously doubt you did anything wrong Craig. But you might be correct
> with respect to the stock CJ tubes vs. the YAK 52 tubes. I'll try to
explain
> what the difference is between the Desser and Russian tube valve stems.
> The Russian YAK 52 tubes have a 90 degree bend coming off the tube itself.
> From that point to the opening where the valve stem is inserted, it is
> perfectly straight. The Desser tubes also have the 90 degree bend in them
> coming off the tube, but instead of being perfectly straight from the bend
> to the end, the shank has a slight bend, maybe about 5-10 degrees out then
> back in again, in it. Probably not a very good description, but that's
the
> best way I can describe it. Anyway, when installing the Desser tubes in
the
> 52 hub, I had to file the valve stem slot at the inner most part of the
hub
> to allow for the bend in the Desser valve stem to clear the hub.
> Dennis Savarese
>
> ----- Ori
>
>
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| Subject: | [Fwd: Yak Tubes] |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne <cpayne@mc.net>
Forwarded from Steve Chlavin of Desser. It seems that new ALL innertubes
coming from the European continent are from the same supplier.
I think that *we* (Yaks & CJ's) need to make some measurements and
comparisons of wheel AND tire sizes to sort out the facts so someone
doesn't install an oversize tube or have to trim metal for a valve fit.
Get them guages out!
Craig Payne
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by premmail.mc.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2003 18:42:43 -0000
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by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2003 18:42:38 -0000
From: "Sales Dept. - Desser Tire & Rubber Co., Inc." <sales@desser.com>
Subject: Yak Tubes
Mark advised us about the tube discussion.
Here is what we commented. I am talking about the main tubes.
================================================
Thanks for the heads up.
The 500 x 150 tubes we supply are from Poland and for the Yak. We have not
had the US ones for some time. I know that there is talk about valves, but
I never get any returns on them, so how bad can they be?
We averaged 80 tubes over the last 3 years, with only 2 returns each year.
Perhaps someone can send us a tube that they like and we can look at it?
Best regards
Steve
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
YAKSTERS
Better than a chat board is a BBS.
The neat thing about it is that you can put pictures and links in with
your post and do keyword searches of all archived posts. This would act
as a wealth of stored data for anyone who may have a YAK related
question. In my opinion it's better than a list-serve like THE YAK LIST.
You can see one in action at http://community.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic
If anyone wants to purchase the program and upload it to their website
you can get it at
http://www.infopop.com/products/opentopic/poweredby_opentopic.html
If YPA wants one I can set it up. I've already created a few of these
BBS's
Frank
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| Subject: | Re: Think things get testy here? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I just wanted to point out the low signal to noise ration we enjoy on this
list :)
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Think things get testy here?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> Dave Sutton did a very fine job. I think the Home Depot was a tongue in
> cheek attempt at humor. You shouldn't take things so personally as
everyone
> has a bad day once in a while.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Think things get testy here?
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
> >
> > Ernie wrote:
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> > >
> > > I recently joined Classic Jets Association and posted a question on
> their
> > > message board. Whew, you think things get testy on this list?? You
> should see
> > > the shelacking I got on that board, but since I made mention to this
> list as
> > > a comparison, I think you guys might get a chuckle out of how your jet
> > > bretheren regard Yakkers.
> >
> > I wandered over to take a peek. Pretty funny Ernie! Bad boy! He
slapped
> you
> > down a good 'un. And my reaction to the first response you got would
have
> been
> > about the same as yours. So much for welcoming a new person on the
list.
> >
> > I have noticed that many "heavy iron" warbird drivers seem to think that
> the
> > size of their cojones is directly proportional to the size of their fuel
> bill.
> > The other interesting thing I have noticed is that the ones who are
really
> good
> > pilots seem to be mostly interested in flying and sharing whereas the
> others who
> > got their by dint of dollars seem to look down their noses. Ah well,
> gotta
> > separate the men from the boys somehow, right? I suspect that most
> wouldn't
> > know how to deal with an inverted spin in a T-33 tho'. (And no, I am
not
> > claiming to know, only that I was told that it is a gold-plated bitch to
> get out
> > of according to someone who instructed in them.)
> >
> > > Go to this link, and follow the threads.
> > > http://www.classicjets.org/cgi-bin/webbbs_config.pl?read80
> > >
> > > Ernie
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
That where I read it!! I thought I read that it was supposed to go into
effect in Feb but I havent heard anything.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: <FOUGAPILOT@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: LOA's
> --> Yak-List message posted by: FOUGAPILOT@aol.com
>
> Last I heard was from the EAA Warbird magazine. They had a good article
in
> the December issue. To the best of my knowledge, the LOAs will be
replaced
> by ETR (experimental Type Rating) which should be valid for as long as
your
> certificate is, providing the training requirements specified in FAR61 are
> completed. I is also my understanding that if you send your valid LOA to
> your FSDO he should automatically issue a ETR on your certificate. In any
> case, I strongly recommend you call the EAA government affair department
to
> obtain the truth and get all the answers before you go and ask any
questions
> to your FSDO.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Dan Fortin
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> YAKSTERS
>
> Better than a chat board is a BBS.
>
> The neat thing about it is that you can put pictures and links in with
> your post and do keyword searches of all archived posts.
Huh? You can do that here. You can't attach pictures to your postings, you
have to use the image store, but you can put in links and we have keyword search
capability.
> This would act
> as a wealth of stored data for anyone who may have a YAK related
> question. In my opinion it's better than a list-serve like THE YAK LIST.
>
> You can see one in action at http://community.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic
>
> If anyone wants to purchase the program and upload it to their website
> you can get it at
> http://www.infopop.com/products/opentopic/poweredby_opentopic.html
>
> If YPA wants one I can set it up. I've already created a few of these
> BBS's
Uh, Frank, yak-list already has all these features.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
Hello Folks!
I installed the Chat Room on YPA's site not to take the place of your
list, but as an enhancement to your web site. They are both very different
mediums of
communication. The Chat Room is great for instant questions, answers, and
conversations across time zones. - It is similar to a telephone call with a
keyboard. An individual in YPA Chat has the choice of typing privately to a
particular individual if desired, or jump into the general conversation.
YPA chat is open and "hot" all the time. However, the room is best accessed
on Mondays and Thursdays at 8:30 P.M. EST. Give it a try. Let me know what
you think and let me know if you find any bugs or problems.
It can be removed with one key stroke.
Since the data files for YPA have been moved to a more flexible server, I
will be installing and trying out different software.
I am not a mind reader, so don't be afraid to let me or Mike Filucci
know what your thoughts are on this new stuff and what you would like to see
on YOUR web site.
Carol Rex
YPA Webmaster
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| Subject: | Re: Think things get testy here? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: D Zeman <curious_wings@yahoo.com>
Don't pay any attention, Ernie.
I think Brian has hit it; it is much like the CJ'ers
in YPA verses the the real Yak flyers in Yaks!
Who cares? I'll have plenty of time to find um in
hell! :-P
D.
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Yak Tubes] |
--> Yak-List message posted by: D Zeman <curious_wings@yahoo.com>
Unless your tubes are really old, why change them?
My Russian tyres were gone in less than 2 year on this
concrete surface. When I changed the tyres, the old
Russian tubes were back on duty.
Poka,
D.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@zoso.email.net>
Everyone seems to be expecting them to announce the full details at the
Warbird Operators Conference at the end of Feb.
Jon
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> That where I read it!! I thought I read that it was supposed to go into
> effect in Feb but I havent heard anything.
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <FOUGAPILOT@aol.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: LOA's
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: FOUGAPILOT@aol.com
>>
>> Last I heard was from the EAA Warbird magazine. They had a good
>> article
> in
>> the December issue. To the best of my knowledge, the LOAs will be
> replaced
>> by ETR (experimental Type Rating) which should be valid for as long
>> as
> your
>> certificate is, providing the training requirements specified in FAR61
>> are completed. I is also my understanding that if you send your valid
>> LOA to your FSDO he should automatically issue a ETR on your
>> certificate. In any case, I strongly recommend you call the EAA
>> government affair department
> to
>> obtain the truth and get all the answers before you go and ask any
> questions
>> to your FSDO.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Dan Fortin
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Brian
A BBS is vastly superior to a LIST-SERVE like Yak-List. Don't get me
wrong, I like the YAK-LIST because the information thus disseminated is
invaluable but the features of a BBS can never be matched by an email
LIST SERVE.
For example, with a BBS you can "edit" your post to correct
mistakes....something I'm sure you can relate to given recent history
here. You can never do that with a List-Serve...... that is only one of
the superior aspects of a BBS as compared to a List-Serve.
Matronics does an admirable job of keeping things going here despite the
limitations of a List-Serve. The real problem with getting any BBS going
is convincing the typical member of a competing system to migrate over
to a superior BBS. People tend to be comfortable with what they know.
None-the-less, once they get used to a BBS they see it's a better way of
doing things. Real time chat (as what has been promoted here recently
for YPA) is doomed to failure. I've seen it too many times. Don't take
my word for it though........let's see what time will tell. I'm willing
to bet on it bombing out...any takers?
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chat Board
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> --> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> YAKSTERS
>
> Better than a chat board is a BBS.
>
> The neat thing about it is that you can put pictures and links in with
> your post and do keyword searches of all archived posts.
Huh? You can do that here. You can't attach pictures to your postings,
you have to use the image store, but you can put in links and we have
keyword search capability.
> This would act
> as a wealth of stored data for anyone who may have a YAK related
> question. In my opinion it's better than a list-serve like THE YAK
> LIST.
>
> You can see one in action at http://community.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic
>
> If anyone wants to purchase the program and upload it to their website
> you can get it at
> http://www.infopop.com/products/opentopic/poweredby_opentopic.html
>
> If YPA wants one I can set it up. I've already created a few of these
> BBS's
Uh, Frank, yak-list already has all these features.
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