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1. 03:36 AM - Re: S&F stuff (Ernie)
2. 05:46 AM - Re: S&F stuff (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 08:41 AM - Re: CJ6A Replacement Canopies tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, SUBJECT_IS_LIST,USER_AGENT_OE,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.43 (Doug)
4. 09:00 AM - canopy glass (Barry Hancock)
5. 09:48 AM - Re: canopy glass (Doug)
6. 01:02 PM - Re: canopy glass (Lisa Kingscott)
7. 01:36 PM - This guy got it right... (Barry Hancock)
8. 01:57 PM - Patrick AFB (cjpilot710@aol.com)
9. 02:08 PM - Re: This guy got it right... (Ernie)
10. 02:09 PM - Re: Patrick AFB (Ernie)
11. 02:27 PM - Re: This guy got it right... (Craig Payne)
12. 02:52 PM - Re: This guy got it right... (Doug)
13. 03:00 PM - Re: This guy got it right... (Cy Galley)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Jim,
Where are you getting your Leeward Flyin info? People here are being tight
lipped about things.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: S&F stuff
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> Here is the first part of the schedule for S&F. Note: I pick this up off
the
> S&F web site.
> March 31 - EAAWB registration opens at 1200 hours.
> April 1 - Registration opens at 0800 to 1800 hours.
> April 2- WB judging begins.
> April 3 - WB Airshow.
> April 4 - WB Airshow
> Sun 60 Air Race.
> April 5 - WB Airshow .
> WB Awards Dinner (Week's)
> April 6- WB Airshow (maybe jet only)
> Leeward Flyout
> April 7&8 No WB flying during show.
> Note: 7 or 8, possible fly-in at FD44. Whatever the date, this will
include
> an Florida orange bombing contest on a real three masted square rigged
ship.
> (Hal, you gotta try this!)
> A more refined and detailed schedule will be forth coming.
> Jim Goolsby
> cjpilot710@aol.com
> 386-467-3313 voice
> 386-467-3193 fax
> 386-503-9820cell
>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin 1759
> "With my shield, or on it"
> Trojan Warriors BC
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 2/6/2003 6:37:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ernest.martinez@oracle.com writes:
>
> Where are you getting your Leeward Flyin info? People here are being tight
> lipped about things.
>
> Ernie
>
Its on the S&F web site.
Jim Goolsby
cjpilot710@aol.com
386-467-3313 voice
386-467-3193 fax
386-503-9820cell
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
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| Subject: | Re: CJ6A Replacement Canopies tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, |
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Yakers, listers and lurkers,
My esteemed Canuk friend "Walt, I'm never wrong- I'm only mistaken, Lannon",
is I am afraid, correct once again. I have a typo. My canopy glass sets
are 3/16, NOT 5/16. Thanks Walt!
Always yakin,
Doug Sapp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walt Lannon" <lannon@look.ca>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ6A Replacement Canopies
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> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <lannon@look.ca>
>
> Hey Doug;
> 5/16" is pretty thick glass. Last time I checked your glass was 3/16". No
> thanks are necessary, a whiskey will do eh!
> Cheers;
> Walt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ6A Replacement Canopies
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> >
> > I sell the canopy sets in clear or gray tint Price including a new
> landing
> > light lens is $875.00 All glass is 5/16 except the #3 fixed portion
which
> > is 1/8. My canopies are not pre cut and do require cutting and fitting.
> >
> > Always yakin,
> > Doug Sapp
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kinker, JC (AZ76)" <jc.kinker@honeywell.com>
> > To: "'Yak List'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: CJ6A Replacement Canopies
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kinker, JC (AZ76)"
> > <jc.kinker@honeywell.com>
> > >
> > > CJ Drivers,
> > >
> > > I am replacing all my old "factory under hauled" canopy glass; and, I
> need
> > > to find a contact to buy the replacement glass. I have been told
there
> > are
> > > vendors who sell American made, precut USAF gray glass.
> > >
> > > If you know a source or referral, please do not hesitate to contact me
> at
> > > jc.kinker@honeywell.com <mailto:jc.kinker@honeywell.com>
> > >
> > > Check 6, JC
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
> On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Doug wrote:
> I sell the canopy sets in clear or gray tint Price including a new
> landing
> light lens is $875.00
That is a great price! I ordered mine from Aircraft Plastics and it was
over $1000....how long you been sellin' dem dere canopies, Doug? Did I
miss the boat? Well, it wouldn't be the first time...
As for installation, pre-cut or not you'll still have a b**ch of a time
installing them. I'm pretty well versed in replacing canopies now and
I've done (well, assisted with) it twice in the last year. If you have
any installation questions contact me off list and I'll be happy to
share my top secret insights...which, with your own mug and a quarter
will get you a cup of coffee at 7-11.
Barry Hancock
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
California Condors Squadron
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | Re: canopy glass |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Barry,
Gee Bee canopies and I pulled molds off the first CJ's I imported over 12
years ago. Since then, several other companies have jumped into the game.
Some trim, some don't. Some use 1/8 for the windshield, which I think is
nuts as that plexi is all that's between you and the rest of the airborne
world. It has always amazed me as to the size of the things that can make
it through the prop. Also, some companies are using Lexan and other
Plexi-glass look alikes to hold down their cost. I would encourage everyone
to educate themselves on the various types of plastic before you buy as some
look good but quickly becomes brittle, some drill better than others, some
turn to goop or craze when solvent hits them. So do your homework, ask the
right questions, and remember "measure twice, cut once" Glass installation
is not hard its just tedious, slow work. That's why installation normally
exceeds the cost of the canopies in most shops that do a good job.
Always yakin,
Doug Sapp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
Subject: Yak-List: canopy glass
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
> > On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Doug wrote:
>
> > I sell the canopy sets in clear or gray tint Price including a new
> > landing
> > light lens is $875.00
>
> That is a great price! I ordered mine from Aircraft Plastics and it was
> over $1000....how long you been sellin' dem dere canopies, Doug? Did I
> miss the boat? Well, it wouldn't be the first time...
>
> As for installation, pre-cut or not you'll still have a b**ch of a time
> installing them. I'm pretty well versed in replacing canopies now and
> I've done (well, assisted with) it twice in the last year. If you have
> any installation questions contact me off list and I'll be happy to
> share my top secret insights...which, with your own mug and a quarter
> will get you a cup of coffee at 7-11.
>
>
> Barry Hancock
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> California Condors Squadron
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: canopy glass |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Lisa Kingscott" <lisa@kingscott1.freeserve.co.uk>
For what it's worth.
Over here, any flat or almost flat windows I have bought from a local plastic supplier.
Generally it is very cheap, like $10 for a 2 foot square piece 4 or 5mm
thick.
However, there appears to be 2 main types of plastic here, polycarbonate and acrylic.
Both appear just as transparent and clear when new.
Polycarbonate is by far the strongest, often used in phone boxes and roofing sheet
and is similar to the plastic used for some crash helmets etc. However, it
is MUCH more prone to scratching and lower quality versions are often less transparent.
5mm polycarbonate will even stand up to a sledgehammer. I have heard
that it can be affected by sunlight, however, I used a piece of polycarbonate
on our AN2, on the roof of the cockpit. It was there for 5 years without being
affected and the plane was left outside 24/7.
I think that acrylic (often called Perspex) is more commonly used for aircraft
canopies. It is generally available 'glass clear', more difficult to scratch but
is more brittle. It will probably not withstand a sledgehammer! I assume that
it is generally used due to it's improved scratch resistance.
I know that I would prefer to use polycarbonate and accept regular replacement
if it gets scratched, however, the cost of moulded canopies prohibits this.
Lisa
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: canopy glass
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Barry,
Gee Bee canopies and I pulled molds off the first CJ's I imported over 12
years ago. Since then, several other companies have jumped into the game.
Some trim, some don't. Some use 1/8 for the windshield, which I think is
nuts as that plexi is all that's between you and the rest of the airborne
world. It has always amazed me as to the size of the things that can make
it through the prop. Also, some companies are using Lexan and other
Plexi-glass look alikes to hold down their cost. I would encourage everyone
to educate themselves on the various types of plastic before you buy as some
look good but quickly becomes brittle, some drill better than others, some
turn to goop or craze when solvent hits them. So do your homework, ask the
right questions, and remember "measure twice, cut once" Glass installation
is not hard its just tedious, slow work. That's why installation normally
exceeds the cost of the canopies in most shops that do a good job.
Always yakin,
Doug Sapp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Yak-List: canopy glass
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
> > On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Doug wrote:
>
> > I sell the canopy sets in clear or gray tint Price including a new
> > landing
> > light lens is $875.00
>
> That is a great price! I ordered mine from Aircraft Plastics and it was
> over $1000....how long you been sellin' dem dere canopies, Doug? Did I
> miss the boat? Well, it wouldn't be the first time...
>
> As for installation, pre-cut or not you'll still have a b**ch of a time
> installing them. I'm pretty well versed in replacing canopies now and
> I've done (well, assisted with) it twice in the last year. If you have
> any installation questions contact me off list and I'll be happy to
> share my top secret insights...which, with your own mug and a quarter
> will get you a cup of coffee at 7-11.
>
>
> Barry Hancock
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> California Condors Squadron
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
>
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| Subject: | This guy got it right... |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
"DO NOT FORGET"
I sat in a movie theater watching "Schindler's List," asked myself, "Why
didn't the Jews fight back?"
Now I know why.
I sat in a movie theater, watching "Pearl Harbor" and asked myself, "Why
weren't we prepared?"
Now I know why.
Civilized people cannot fathom, much less predict, the actions of evil
people.
On September 11, dozens of capable airplane passengers allowed
themselves to
be overpowered by a handful of poorly armed terrorists because they did
not
comprehend the depth of hatred that motivated their captors.
On September 11, thousands of innocent people were murdered because too
many
Americans naively reject the reality that some nations are dedicated to
the
dominance of others. Many political pundits, pacifists and media
personnel
want us to forget the carnage. They say we must focus on the bravery of
the
rescuers and ignore the cowardice of the killers. They implore us to
understand the motivation of the perpetrators. Major television stations
have
announced they will assist the healing process by not replaying
devastating
footage of the planes crashing into the Twin Towers.
I will not be manipulated.
I will not pretend to understand.
I will not forget.
I will not forget the liberal media who abused freedom of the press to
kick
our country when it was vulnerable and hurting.
I will not forget that CBS anchor Dan Rather preceded President Bush's
address to the nation with the snide remark, "No matter how you feel
about
him, he is still our president."
I will not forget that ABC TV anchor Peter Jennings questioned President
Bush's motives saying,=A0 "We're all pretty skeptical and cynical about
Washington."
And I will not forget that ABC's Mark Halperin warned if reporters
weren't
informed of every little detail of this war, they aren't "likely -- nor
should they be expected -- to show deference."
I will not isolate myself from my fellow Americans by pretending an
attack on
the USS Cole in Yemen was not an attack on the United States of America.
I will not forget the Clinton administration equipped Islamic terrorists
and
their supporters with the world's most sophisticated telecommunications
equipment and encryption technology, thereby compromising America's
ability
to trace terrorist radio, cell phone, land lines, faxes and modem
communications.
I will not be appeased with pointless, quick retaliatory strikes like
those
perfected by the previous administration.
I will not be comforted by "feel-good, do nothing" regulations like the
silly
"Have your bags been under your control?" question at the airport.
I will not be influenced by so called,"antiwar demonstrators" who
exploit the
right of expression to chant anti-American obscenities.
I will not forget the moral victory handed the North Vietnamese by
American
war protesters who reviled and spat upon the returning Soldiers, Airmen,
Sailors and Marines.
I will not be softened by the wishful thinking of pacifists who chose
reassurance over reality.
I will embrace the wise words of Prime Minister Tony Blair who told Labor
Party conference, "They have no moral inhibition on the slaughter of the
innocent. If they could have murdered not 3,000 but 300,000, does anyone
doubt they would have done so and rejoiced in it?
There is no compromise possible with such people, no meeting of minds, no
point of understanding with such terror. Just a choice: defeat it or be
defeated by it. And defeat it we must!"
I will force myself to:
-hear the weeping
-feel the helplessness
-imagine the terror
-sense the panic
-smell the burning flesh
- experience the loss
- remember the hatred.
I sat in a movie theater, watching "Private Ryan" and asked myself,
"Where
did they find the courage?"
Now I know.
We have no choice. Living without liberty is not living.
-- Ed Evans, MGySgt., USMC (Ret.)
Not as lean, Not as mean, But still a Marine.
Barry Hancock
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
California Condors Squadron
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Florida Flyers,
Just heard today there is an airshow at Patrick AFB (just south of the Cape)
on March 21,22, & 23. The last time I went to this, they treated us very
well. Room, party and petrol (filled you get there, filled when you leave).
The Army Golden Knights crashed our party at the O Club, by all ten of them
landing in the volly ball court next to the patio! Really Cool!
I need to know who wants to go. I'll be the go-between between YPA flyers
and the guy who works with the Air Corp.
There are special requirements about flying on USAF fields (PPR, insurance,
filed flight plans to and from, etc.) these details will be forth coming.
Just everything needs to be on the up & up. And there may be a limit.
Jim Goolsby
cjpilot710@aol.com
386-467-3313 voice
386-467-3193 fax
386-503-9820cell
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Ok, I did it again, I mangled a bit of my airplane, I taxied back to my
hangar and went to do a 360 with the airplane to position it in fromt of my
hangar, kinda forget to check wing clearance, and kinda squashed my right
wingtip. Fortunately the only damage was to the wingtip and nothing to the
wing. Unfortunately the wingtip isnt pre-drilled. Any suggestion on how to
transfer the holes from the wing to the wingtip??
I was going to use masking tape along the backing nuts on the wing, poke
holes through where the screw holes are then transfer the tape over to the
wingtip, using a known starting point. Just want to know if there is an
easier way.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
Subject: Yak-List: This guy got it right...
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
>
> "DO NOT FORGET"
>
> I sat in a movie theater watching "Schindler's List," asked myself, "Why
> didn't the Jews fight back?"
>
> Now I know why.
>
> I sat in a movie theater, watching "Pearl Harbor" and asked myself, "Why
> weren't we prepared?"
>
> Now I know why.
>
> Civilized people cannot fathom, much less predict, the actions of evil
> people.
>
> On September 11, dozens of capable airplane passengers allowed
> themselves to
> be overpowered by a handful of poorly armed terrorists because they did
> not
> comprehend the depth of hatred that motivated their captors.
>
> On September 11, thousands of innocent people were murdered because too
> many
> Americans naively reject the reality that some nations are dedicated to
> the
> dominance of others. Many political pundits, pacifists and media
> personnel
> want us to forget the carnage. They say we must focus on the bravery of
> the
> rescuers and ignore the cowardice of the killers. They implore us to
> understand the motivation of the perpetrators. Major television stations
> have
> announced they will assist the healing process by not replaying
> devastating
> footage of the planes crashing into the Twin Towers.
>
> I will not be manipulated.
>
> I will not pretend to understand.
>
> I will not forget.
>
> I will not forget the liberal media who abused freedom of the press to
> kick
> our country when it was vulnerable and hurting.
>
> I will not forget that CBS anchor Dan Rather preceded President Bush's
> address to the nation with the snide remark, "No matter how you feel
> about
> him, he is still our president."
>
> I will not forget that ABC TV anchor Peter Jennings questioned President
> Bush's motives saying,=A0 "We're all pretty skeptical and cynical about
> Washington."
>
> And I will not forget that ABC's Mark Halperin warned if reporters
> weren't
> informed of every little detail of this war, they aren't "likely -- nor
> should they be expected -- to show deference."
>
> I will not isolate myself from my fellow Americans by pretending an
> attack on
> the USS Cole in Yemen was not an attack on the United States of America.
>
> I will not forget the Clinton administration equipped Islamic terrorists
> and
> their supporters with the world's most sophisticated telecommunications
> equipment and encryption technology, thereby compromising America's
> ability
> to trace terrorist radio, cell phone, land lines, faxes and modem
> communications.
>
> I will not be appeased with pointless, quick retaliatory strikes like
> those
> perfected by the previous administration.
>
> I will not be comforted by "feel-good, do nothing" regulations like the
> silly
> "Have your bags been under your control?" question at the airport.
>
> I will not be influenced by so called,"antiwar demonstrators" who
> exploit the
> right of expression to chant anti-American obscenities.
>
> I will not forget the moral victory handed the North Vietnamese by
> American
> war protesters who reviled and spat upon the returning Soldiers, Airmen,
> Sailors and Marines.
>
> I will not be softened by the wishful thinking of pacifists who chose
> reassurance over reality.
>
> I will embrace the wise words of Prime Minister Tony Blair who told Labor
> Party conference, "They have no moral inhibition on the slaughter of the
> innocent. If they could have murdered not 3,000 but 300,000, does anyone
> doubt they would have done so and rejoiced in it?
>
> There is no compromise possible with such people, no meeting of minds, no
> point of understanding with such terror. Just a choice: defeat it or be
> defeated by it. And defeat it we must!"
>
> I will force myself to:
>
>
> -hear the weeping
> -feel the helplessness
> -imagine the terror
> -sense the panic
> -smell the burning flesh
> - experience the loss
> - remember the hatred.
>
> I sat in a movie theater, watching "Private Ryan" and asked myself,
> "Where
> did they find the courage?"
>
> Now I know.
>
> We have no choice. Living without liberty is not living.
>
>
> -- Ed Evans, MGySgt., USMC (Ret.)
> Not as lean, Not as mean, But still a Marine.
> Barry Hancock
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> California Condors Squadron
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Count me in.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Patrick AFB
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> Florida Flyers,
> Just heard today there is an airshow at Patrick AFB (just south of the
Cape)
> on March 21,22, & 23. The last time I went to this, they treated us very
> well. Room, party and petrol (filled you get there, filled when you
leave).
> The Army Golden Knights crashed our party at the O Club, by all ten of
them
> landing in the volly ball court next to the patio! Really Cool!
>
> I need to know who wants to go. I'll be the go-between between YPA flyers
> and the guy who works with the Air Corp.
>
> There are special requirements about flying on USAF fields (PPR,
insurance,
> filed flight plans to and from, etc.) these details will be forth coming.
> Just everything needs to be on the up & up. And there may be a limit.
>
> Jim Goolsby
> cjpilot710@aol.com
> 386-467-3313 voice
> 386-467-3193 fax
> 386-503-9820cell
>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin 1759
> "With my shield, or on it"
> Trojan Warriors BC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: This guy got it right... |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne <cpayne@mc.net>
Ernie,
Yes, there is an easier way. A standard aircraft metal working tool
called a hole duplicator or "strap dupulicator" will do it. Sells for a
few bucks and widely available at aircraft supply and tool places.
Craig Payne
Ernie wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Ok, I did it again, I mangled a bit of my airplane, I taxied back to my
> hangar and went to do a 360 with the airplane to position it in fromt of my
> hangar, kinda forget to check wing clearance, and kinda squashed my right
> wingtip. Fortunately the only damage was to the wingtip and nothing to the
> wing. Unfortunately the wingtip isnt pre-drilled. Any suggestion on how to
> transfer the holes from the wing to the wingtip??
>
> I was going to use masking tape along the backing nuts on the wing, poke
> holes through where the screw holes are then transfer the tape over to the
> wingtip, using a known starting point. Just want to know if there is an
> easier way.
>
> Ernie
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Ernie, Ernie, Ernie.............
What you need is a hole finder. You can buy one from Aircraft Spruce,
borrow one from any good aircraft sheet metal shop, or make one yourself.
To make one, cut 2 pieces of alu about 8 inches long by 1 inch wide of say
025 or 032. Drill 2 holes side by side near one end (we'll call this end
the bottom or the handle). Put clecos in these holes to hold the strips in
line one on top of he other. Next drill a 1/8 hole about 1/4 of an inch
down from the top edge on the other end. Drill right though both pieces.
Put a countersunk 1/8 inch (4-4) rivet through the lower piece only, and
gently buck it enough to set the rivet in the hole solidly. The bucked
rivet should be just slightly smaller than the hole dia. Now remove the
clecos and drive the two brazier rivets in the handle. To use the tool all
you have to do is slide the side of tool that has the short rivet in it
under the lip of the undrilled tip, when the rivet drops in the screw hole,
drill through the hole in the upper strip. The hole will be centered up
perfectly if the rivet is the same dia as the hole. OR call Aircraft Spruce
and have them Fed EX you one.
Always yakin,
Doug Sapp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: This guy got it right...
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Ok, I did it again, I mangled a bit of my airplane, I taxied back to my
> hangar and went to do a 360 with the airplane to position it in fromt of
my
> hangar, kinda forget to check wing clearance, and kinda squashed my right
> wingtip. Fortunately the only damage was to the wingtip and nothing to the
> wing. Unfortunately the wingtip isnt pre-drilled. Any suggestion on how to
> transfer the holes from the wing to the wingtip??
>
> I was going to use masking tape along the backing nuts on the wing, poke
> holes through where the screw holes are then transfer the tape over to the
> wingtip, using a known starting point. Just want to know if there is an
> easier way.
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
> To: "Yak-list" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: This guy got it right...
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
> >
> >
> > "DO NOT FORGET"
> >
> > I sat in a movie theater watching "Schindler's List," asked myself, "Why
> > didn't the Jews fight back?"
> >
> > Now I know why.
> >
> > I sat in a movie theater, watching "Pearl Harbor" and asked myself, "Why
> > weren't we prepared?"
> >
> > Now I know why.
> >
> > Civilized people cannot fathom, much less predict, the actions of evil
> > people.
> >
> > On September 11, dozens of capable airplane passengers allowed
> > themselves to
> > be overpowered by a handful of poorly armed terrorists because they did
> > not
> > comprehend the depth of hatred that motivated their captors.
> >
> > On September 11, thousands of innocent people were murdered because too
> > many
> > Americans naively reject the reality that some nations are dedicated to
> > the
> > dominance of others. Many political pundits, pacifists and media
> > personnel
> > want us to forget the carnage. They say we must focus on the bravery of
> > the
> > rescuers and ignore the cowardice of the killers. They implore us to
> > understand the motivation of the perpetrators. Major television stations
> > have
> > announced they will assist the healing process by not replaying
> > devastating
> > footage of the planes crashing into the Twin Towers.
> >
> > I will not be manipulated.
> >
> > I will not pretend to understand.
> >
> > I will not forget.
> >
> > I will not forget the liberal media who abused freedom of the press to
> > kick
> > our country when it was vulnerable and hurting.
> >
> > I will not forget that CBS anchor Dan Rather preceded President Bush's
> > address to the nation with the snide remark, "No matter how you feel
> > about
> > him, he is still our president."
> >
> > I will not forget that ABC TV anchor Peter Jennings questioned President
> > Bush's motives saying,=A0 "We're all pretty skeptical and cynical about
> > Washington."
> >
> > And I will not forget that ABC's Mark Halperin warned if reporters
> > weren't
> > informed of every little detail of this war, they aren't "likely -- nor
> > should they be expected -- to show deference."
> >
> > I will not isolate myself from my fellow Americans by pretending an
> > attack on
> > the USS Cole in Yemen was not an attack on the United States of America.
> >
> > I will not forget the Clinton administration equipped Islamic terrorists
> > and
> > their supporters with the world's most sophisticated telecommunications
> > equipment and encryption technology, thereby compromising America's
> > ability
> > to trace terrorist radio, cell phone, land lines, faxes and modem
> > communications.
> >
> > I will not be appeased with pointless, quick retaliatory strikes like
> > those
> > perfected by the previous administration.
> >
> > I will not be comforted by "feel-good, do nothing" regulations like the
> > silly
> > "Have your bags been under your control?" question at the airport.
> >
> > I will not be influenced by so called,"antiwar demonstrators" who
> > exploit the
> > right of expression to chant anti-American obscenities.
> >
> > I will not forget the moral victory handed the North Vietnamese by
> > American
> > war protesters who reviled and spat upon the returning Soldiers, Airmen,
> > Sailors and Marines.
> >
> > I will not be softened by the wishful thinking of pacifists who chose
> > reassurance over reality.
> >
> > I will embrace the wise words of Prime Minister Tony Blair who told
Labor
> > Party conference, "They have no moral inhibition on the slaughter of the
> > innocent. If they could have murdered not 3,000 but 300,000, does anyone
> > doubt they would have done so and rejoiced in it?
> >
> > There is no compromise possible with such people, no meeting of minds,
no
> > point of understanding with such terror. Just a choice: defeat it or be
> > defeated by it. And defeat it we must!"
> >
> > I will force myself to:
> >
> >
> > -hear the weeping
> > -feel the helplessness
> > -imagine the terror
> > -sense the panic
> > -smell the burning flesh
> > - experience the loss
> > - remember the hatred.
> >
> > I sat in a movie theater, watching "Private Ryan" and asked myself,
> > "Where
> > did they find the courage?"
> >
> > Now I know.
> >
> > We have no choice. Living without liberty is not living.
> >
> >
> > -- Ed Evans, MGySgt., USMC (Ret.)
> > Not as lean, Not as mean, But still a Marine.
> > Barry Hancock
> > 949.300.5510
> > www.allredstar.com
> > California Condors Squadron
> > "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Look at this picture. They used two lines one from the hole, then place the
wing tip or cowl in to position redraw the line on the wing tip or cowl.
Where they cross should be the cent of the hole.
The other way is called strangely enough, a hole duplicator. It is two
pieces of metal fastened together. The inside has a tit that goes into the
existing hole. The outside has a drill brushing that lines up with the tit.
Drill thru the bushing into the over laying part. It is in the Aircraft
Spruce Cat about p479.
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com
We support Aeroncas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: This guy got it right...
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Ok, I did it again, I mangled a bit of my airplane, I taxied back to my
> hangar and went to do a 360 with the airplane to position it in fromt of
my
> hangar, kinda forget to check wing clearance, and kinda squashed my right
> wingtip. Fortunately the only damage was to the wingtip and nothing to the
> wing. Unfortunately the wingtip isnt pre-drilled. Any suggestion on how to
> transfer the holes from the wing to the wingtip??
>
> I was going to use masking tape along the backing nuts on the wing, poke
> holes through where the screw holes are then transfer the tape over to the
> wingtip, using a known starting point. Just want to know if there is an
> easier way.
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
> To: "Yak-list" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: This guy got it right...
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
> >
> >
> > "DO NOT FORGET"
> >
> > I sat in a movie theater watching "Schindler's List," asked myself, "Why
> > didn't the Jews fight back?"
> >
> > Now I know why.
> >
> > I sat in a movie theater, watching "Pearl Harbor" and asked myself, "Why
> > weren't we prepared?"
> >
> > Now I know why.
> >
> > Civilized people cannot fathom, much less predict, the actions of evil
> > people.
> >
> > On September 11, dozens of capable airplane passengers allowed
> > themselves to
> > be overpowered by a handful of poorly armed terrorists because they did
> > not
> > comprehend the depth of hatred that motivated their captors.
> >
> > On September 11, thousands of innocent people were murdered because too
> > many
> > Americans naively reject the reality that some nations are dedicated to
> > the
> > dominance of others. Many political pundits, pacifists and media
> > personnel
> > want us to forget the carnage. They say we must focus on the bravery of
> > the
> > rescuers and ignore the cowardice of the killers. They implore us to
> > understand the motivation of the perpetrators. Major television stations
> > have
> > announced they will assist the healing process by not replaying
> > devastating
> > footage of the planes crashing into the Twin Towers.
> >
> > I will not be manipulated.
> >
> > I will not pretend to understand.
> >
> > I will not forget.
> >
> > I will not forget the liberal media who abused freedom of the press to
> > kick
> > our country when it was vulnerable and hurting.
> >
> > I will not forget that CBS anchor Dan Rather preceded President Bush's
> > address to the nation with the snide remark, "No matter how you feel
> > about
> > him, he is still our president."
> >
> > I will not forget that ABC TV anchor Peter Jennings questioned President
> > Bush's motives saying,=A0 "We're all pretty skeptical and cynical about
> > Washington."
> >
> > And I will not forget that ABC's Mark Halperin warned if reporters
> > weren't
> > informed of every little detail of this war, they aren't "likely -- nor
> > should they be expected -- to show deference."
> >
> > I will not isolate myself from my fellow Americans by pretending an
> > attack on
> > the USS Cole in Yemen was not an attack on the United States of America.
> >
> > I will not forget the Clinton administration equipped Islamic terrorists
> > and
> > their supporters with the world's most sophisticated telecommunications
> > equipment and encryption technology, thereby compromising America's
> > ability
> > to trace terrorist radio, cell phone, land lines, faxes and modem
> > communications.
> >
> > I will not be appeased with pointless, quick retaliatory strikes like
> > those
> > perfected by the previous administration.
> >
> > I will not be comforted by "feel-good, do nothing" regulations like the
> > silly
> > "Have your bags been under your control?" question at the airport.
> >
> > I will not be influenced by so called,"antiwar demonstrators" who
> > exploit the
> > right of expression to chant anti-American obscenities.
> >
> > I will not forget the moral victory handed the North Vietnamese by
> > American
> > war protesters who reviled and spat upon the returning Soldiers, Airmen,
> > Sailors and Marines.
> >
> > I will not be softened by the wishful thinking of pacifists who chose
> > reassurance over reality.
> >
> > I will embrace the wise words of Prime Minister Tony Blair who told
Labor
> > Party conference, "They have no moral inhibition on the slaughter of the
> > innocent. If they could have murdered not 3,000 but 300,000, does anyone
> > doubt they would have done so and rejoiced in it?
> >
> > There is no compromise possible with such people, no meeting of minds,
no
> > point of understanding with such terror. Just a choice: defeat it or be
> > defeated by it. And defeat it we must!"
> >
> > I will force myself to:
> >
> >
> > -hear the weeping
> > -feel the helplessness
> > -imagine the terror
> > -sense the panic
> > -smell the burning flesh
> > - experience the loss
> > - remember the hatred.
> >
> > I sat in a movie theater, watching "Private Ryan" and asked myself,
> > "Where
> > did they find the courage?"
> >
> > Now I know.
> >
> > We have no choice. Living without liberty is not living.
> >
> >
> > -- Ed Evans, MGySgt., USMC (Ret.)
> > Not as lean, Not as mean, But still a Marine.
> > Barry Hancock
> > 949.300.5510
> > www.allredstar.com
> > California Condors Squadron
> > "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
> >
> >
>
>
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