Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:45 AM - ADF panel (Brian Lloyd)
2. 07:03 AM - Turbine Oil (Ernie)
3. 07:19 AM - YPA membership (MFilucci@aol.com)
4. 07:33 AM - Re: YPA membership (Brian Lloyd)
5. 07:35 AM - Re: YPA membership (Brian Lloyd)
6. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 02/17/03 (Mike Plecenik)
7. 07:51 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 02/17/03 (Terry Calloway)
8. 09:39 AM - Re: YPA membership (Walt Fricke)
9. 09:40 AM - Re: YPA membership (Walt Fricke)
10. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 02/17/03 (Doug)
11. 09:49 AM - Re: YPA membership list on YPA website in PDF form: (Mark Schrick)
12. 11:12 AM - Re: YPA membership (A. Dennis Savarese)
13. 11:21 AM - YPA membership list on YPA website in PDF form (MFilucci@aol.com)
14. 12:06 PM - Re: YPA membership list on YPA website in PDF form (cpayne@mc.net)
15. 12:34 PM - M-14 Prop and Yak 18 spinner for sale (Patrick Scofield)
16. 12:56 PM - Re: Turbine Oil (FOUGAPILOT@aol.com)
17. 01:08 PM - Yak 52 electrical schematics (Tom Johnson)
18. 03:01 PM - Re: Turbine Oil (Ernie)
19. 03:23 PM - Re: Yak 52 electrical schematics (A. Dennis Savarese)
20. 05:54 PM - Re: YPA membership (Walt Fricke)
21. 06:01 PM - Re: YPA membership (A. Dennis Savarese)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Ernie wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> LOL, I wonder if Dzuz fasterners can be used instead of screws.
No. They don't provide nearly the strength for the shear loads. (The skin is in
tension there.)
It is possible to build a structure around the hole to carry the loads around
the skin at that point but it is easier and probably safer to leave things the
way they are.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
This is aimed at you Jet guys out there.
Does anyoneknow the exact specification for the ROYCO turbine Oil I should be using
in my L-29. I have a sheet that says ROYCO SHELL 3 but the ROYCO distributor
never heard of it. I'm currently using Exxon 2380 which is a bad thing in
my engine.
Ernie
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--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
Fellow YPA Members,
Craig Payne is putting the final touches on the 2003 Yak Pilots Association
membership directory. Last year a number of pilots were upset that they were
not included in the directory when, in most cases, they simply had not
renewed their membership in time for the publishing deadline. If you have not
renewed your membership for 2003 and you are planning on doing so, I suggest
you not procrastinate any longer. I will be sending the 2003 membership file
to Craig next week.
Regards,
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: YPA membership |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
MFilucci@aol.com wrote:
> not included in the directory when, in most cases, they simply had not
> renewed their membership in time for the publishing deadline.
I don't know if I am current. Could you check for me please?
Also, would the YPA like to have the CJ6.org domain? I will give it to you if
the documentation will remain on-line. If you are worried about liability I
will keep it there myself.
Doug Sapp has asked for cj6.com. I can split them and give that to him while
YPA keeps cj6.org.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: YPA membership |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
MFilucci@aol.com wrote:
> not included in the directory when, in most cases, they simply had not
> renewed their membership in time for the publishing deadline.
I don't know if I am current. Could you check for me please?
--Sorry, that was supposed to be a private message.--
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 02/17/03 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike Plecenik" <nanchang@zipnet.us>
My CJ arrived from China with Dzuz fasteners on the ADF access panel and on
the panels for access to the rear of the instruments. The openings have no
additional reinforcement as compared to my last CJ. Don't know how long
they've been there but the panels have no holes for screws so, I'd guess
quite a while. I have found no distortion in those areas. Panels in stressed
skin requires special screws and, if the screws that were used in my last CJ
are any indication, I would have to conclude that the skin doublers used in
these areas are sufficient. BUT, I would not modify one with screws to this
configuration. - Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 02/17/03
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> LOL, I wonder if Dzuz fasterners can be used instead of screws.
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Skipsly@aol.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 02/17/03
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Skipsly@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 02/18/2003 3:59:50 AM Atlantic Standard Time,
> > yak-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > I agree that its structural, I'm wondering if anyone has modified the
> door to
> > > where it maintains its structural integrity and can be opened and
closed
> > > easily.
> > >
> >
> > Ernie,
> >
> > I seem to recall a CJ that had a door added to the ADF panel that
rendered
> it
> > un-airworthy because it does, in fact, impact structural integrity. I
> suggest
> > you get an electric screwdriver...
> > Sly
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 02/17/03 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
Mike could you post some digital photos on the site http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
tc
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike Plecenik" <nanchang@zipnet.us>
My CJ arrived from China with Dzuz fasteners on the ADF access panel and on
the panels for access to the rear of the instruments. The openings have no
additional reinforcement as compared to my last CJ.
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| Subject: | Re: YPA membership |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
Is there someplace to check to see if we are current?
I can never remember. tried to do it once on the
paypal but got lost in the program and don't know if
it took. I WANT TO BELONG!
--- MFilucci@aol.com wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
>
> Fellow YPA Members,
>
> Craig Payne is putting the final touches on the 2003
> Yak Pilots Association
> membership directory. Last year a number of pilots
> were upset that they were
> not included in the directory when, in most cases,
> they simply had not
> renewed their membership in time for the publishing
> deadline. If you have not
> renewed your membership for 2003 and you are
> planning on doing so, I suggest
> you not procrastinate any longer. I will be sending
> the 2003 membership file
> to Craig next week.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> latest messages.
> List members.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm
> Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: YPA membership |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
shoot! didn't mean to make that last post public.
Srooy for the static.
--- MFilucci@aol.com wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
>
> Fellow YPA Members,
>
> Craig Payne is putting the final touches on the 2003
> Yak Pilots Association
> membership directory. Last year a number of pilots
> were upset that they were
> not included in the directory when, in most cases,
> they simply had not
> renewed their membership in time for the publishing
> deadline. If you have not
> renewed your membership for 2003 and you are
> planning on doing so, I suggest
> you not procrastinate any longer. I will be sending
> the 2003 membership file
> to Craig next week.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> latest messages.
> List members.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm
> Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
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>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 02/17/03 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Ernie and all,
Over the years this question of rather or not duz fasteners can be used in
place of screws in these areas has popped up from time to time. I am not a
structural engineer, I don't even play one on the list, but I firmly believe
that the sub structure which reinforces the cut out, being a formed part
with flanges, is made that way to replace the strength which was lost when
the hole was cut. This same procedure is used when installing a camera hole
in a aircraft. Check out the ADF cut out in the belly of the CJ6. This
hole is in the middle of a formed skin, no alu door is used, only plexi,
which has very little strength. If there were a problem with this type of a
cut out being weak this area would be the first to show indications of
loose or working rivets, skin buckling or sub members cracking due to the
huge loads being placed on the tail cone. So personally I do not agree that
duz fasteners absolutely cannot be substituted for the screw/nutplates. I
have seen stock CJ6 aircraft which have nothing more that a Cessna style
"oil door" snap lock type system on ALL panels. One was imported by Marcus
Bates Sr. in the late 1980's. If I recall correctly it was a 70's or 80's
model. I think I recall Randy Webb's Blue Cj6 having this style of
inspection panel fasteners. Having said all this, would I go to the trouble
to make the change NO! Do I feel that the aircraft is "less strong" with
duz fasteners, yes probably but only very slightly, but will that lack of
strength effect you adversely? Probably not unless your doing Yak 50 style
aerobatics. But I would err to the safe side on this issue, and do agree
with the previous post--buy yourself an electric screw driver.
Always yakin,
Doug Sapp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Plecenik" <nanchang@zipnet.us>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 02/17/03
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike Plecenik" <nanchang@zipnet.us>
>
> My CJ arrived from China with Dzuz fasteners on the ADF access panel and
on
> the panels for access to the rear of the instruments. The openings have no
> additional reinforcement as compared to my last CJ. Don't know how long
> they've been there but the panels have no holes for screws so, I'd guess
> quite a while. I have found no distortion in those areas. Panels in
stressed
> skin requires special screws and, if the screws that were used in my last
CJ
> are any indication, I would have to conclude that the skin doublers used
in
> these areas are sufficient. BUT, I would not modify one with screws to
this
> configuration. - Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 02/17/03
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> >
> > LOL, I wonder if Dzuz fasterners can be used instead of screws.
> >
> > Ernie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Skipsly@aol.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 02/17/03
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Skipsly@aol.com
> > >
> > > In a message dated 02/18/2003 3:59:50 AM Atlantic Standard Time,
> > > yak-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > I agree that its structural, I'm wondering if anyone has modified
the
> > door to
> > > > where it maintains its structural integrity and can be opened and
> closed
> > > > easily.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ernie,
> > >
> > > I seem to recall a CJ that had a door added to the ADF panel that
> rendered
> > it
> > > un-airworthy because it does, in fact, impact structural integrity. I
> > suggest
> > > you get an electric screwdriver...
> > > Sly
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | YPA membership list on YPA website in PDF form: |
SUGGESTION
--> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net>
SUGGESTION:
Why could we not provide the YPA member list in PDF form to down load and
update quarterly. This way everyone is up to date and can get involved with
YPA members in there local area.
This should not be hard to keep up each quarter and provide at least one
phone number and email address if they wish to be published.
Just a thought but it could raise attendance and group activities if
available.
Any thoughts on the subject???
Mark (SHREK) Schrick
Yak owner
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, CA 95120
408) 391-6664 cell
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Walt Fricke
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YPA membership
--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
Is there someplace to check to see if we are current?
I can never remember. tried to do it once on the
paypal but got lost in the program and don't know if
it took. I WANT TO BELONG!
--- MFilucci@aol.com wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
>
> Fellow YPA Members,
>
> Craig Payne is putting the final touches on the 2003
> Yak Pilots Association
> membership directory. Last year a number of pilots
> were upset that they were
> not included in the directory when, in most cases,
> they simply had not
> renewed their membership in time for the publishing
> deadline. If you have not
> renewed your membership for 2003 and you are
> planning on doing so, I suggest
> you not procrastinate any longer. I will be sending
> the 2003 membership file
> to Craig next week.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> latest messages.
> List members.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm
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> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: YPA membership |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Walt,
You are most welcome to use MY paypal account to find out if you're doing it
correctly. Send me $30 and I'll let you know if you did it correctly. :-)
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walt Fricke" <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YPA membership
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
>
> Is there someplace to check to see if we are current?
> I can never remember. tried to do it once on the
> paypal but got lost in the program and don't know if
> it took. I WANT TO BELONG!
> --- MFilucci@aol.com wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
> >
> > Fellow YPA Members,
> >
> > Craig Payne is putting the final touches on the 2003
> > Yak Pilots Association
> > membership directory. Last year a number of pilots
> > were upset that they were
> > not included in the directory when, in most cases,
> > they simply had not
> > renewed their membership in time for the publishing
> > deadline. If you have not
> > renewed your membership for 2003 and you are
> > planning on doing so, I suggest
> > you not procrastinate any longer. I will be sending
> > the 2003 membership file
> > to Craig next week.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > Contributions
> > any other
> > Forums.
> >
> > latest messages.
> > List members.
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm
> > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | YPA membership list on YPA website in PDF form |
--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
Mark and All,
We expect to have an online database this year in addition to the hardcopy
version. All members will have access and can do a search to track other
members, etc. The online version will be updated as the membership data comes
in so it will be the most up-to-date information possible.
Mike
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| Subject: | YPA membership list on YPA website in PDF form |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@mc.net
Also note that the 5" x 8" hard copy edition is somewhere between palm and laptop
size,
requires no battery charge or A/C aux power, and requires no bootup time. Fits
in your
side rack and is not vibration sensitive while rated for g-forces beyond A/C limit.
Specially designed to fit in the leg pocket of your Jet Jammies, and gets updated
about as frequently as most web site databases!
Craig Payne
Mark and All,
We expect to have an online database this year in addition to the hardcopy
version. All members will have access and can do a search to track other
members, etc. The online version will be updated as the membership data comes
in so it will be the most up-to-date information possible.
Mike
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| Subject: | M-14 Prop and Yak 18 spinner for sale |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Patrick Scofield <patrick@designworx.com>
Gents and Ladies,
It looks like I am going to the three bladed prop on my M-14 powered, fire
breathing, macho machine.
Sooo, I will have a V -Period Prop and Yak18T Style Spinner available within
about a month. If you are doing the big engine CJ-6 conversion, or need this
for your Yak-52, this will set you up.
Prop: V-Period, Purchased New from George Coy about 3 years ago, has approx.
200 hours TTSN $4,000 US, FOB Falcon Field (FFZ), Original shipping crate
included.
Spinner: Yak 18T type, Obtained new from Russia, Repainted in spiral pattern
(Yellow and Black) Smooth finish has approx. 200 hours TTSN $1,400 US, FOB
Falcon Field (FFZ)
Both sold together for $5,250 US, FOB Falcon Field (FFZ)
BTW I also have a JS-9 prop (original Nanchang prop) with about 600 hours TT
if anyone is interested.
Regards all,
Patrick Scofield
CJ-6P N4184W "Alien Invasion"
L-39ZA N399ZA
"Strong like Ox, Smart Like tractor!"
(Old Russian Proverb)
2550 N. Thunderbird Circle, Suite 302
Hangar E
Falcon Field Airport (FFZ)
Mesa, AZ 85215
Phone: 480.968.4125
Mobile:480.227.4125
Fax: 480.968.4126
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--> Yak-List message posted by: FOUGAPILOT@aol.com
I have the same problem with my Fouga. It uses Shell 5 or Shell 7 Turbo oil.
My Shell oil dealer here has never heard of either. They are manufactured
in Europe. One Fouga dealer does have a stock. I would recommend you ask
the people who sold you the airplane or any European owner/operator.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Dan
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| Subject: | Yak 52 electrical schematics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tjohnson@cannonaviation.com>
I'd like to discuss Yak 52 electrical system with somebody who knows it really
well.
I'm trying to locate some of the electrical busses, both power and ground in the
aircraft.
I've got the wiring diagrams, but have trouble figgering out what all the little
symbols mean.
Please email if you got the goods.
************************************
Tom Johnson
1983 Yak 52, N524TJ
Senior Account Executive
Cannon Aviation Insurance
Tel: 800-851-2997
Fax: 480-951-1455
Cell: 602-628-2701
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I found a source in PA. I require the Mil spec mineral oil. They carry the
Royco 481 which should work in your Fouga also..
http://www.lanclube.com/aviation.html
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: <FOUGAPILOT@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Turbine Oil
> --> Yak-List message posted by: FOUGAPILOT@aol.com
>
> I have the same problem with my Fouga. It uses Shell 5 or Shell 7 Turbo
oil.
> My Shell oil dealer here has never heard of either. They are
manufactured
> in Europe. One Fouga dealer does have a stock. I would recommend you ask
> the people who sold you the airplane or any European owner/operator.
>
> Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
>
> Dan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 electrical schematics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Tom,
Give me a call at either my office or at home in the evening. I'm on
central time. Hopefully I can assist. I'd be interested in hearing what
kind of problem you have as well.
Take care.
Dennis Savarese
334-285-2141 office
334-546-8182 cell
334-285-6263 home
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Johnson" <tjohnson@cannonaviation.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 electrical schematics
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson"
<tjohnson@cannonaviation.com>
>
> I'd like to discuss Yak 52 electrical system with somebody who knows it
really well.
>
> I'm trying to locate some of the electrical busses, both power and ground
in the aircraft.
> I've got the wiring diagrams, but have trouble figgering out what all the
little symbols mean.
>
> Please email if you got the goods.
>
> ************************************
> Tom Johnson
> 1983 Yak 52, N524TJ
> Senior Account Executive
> Cannon Aviation Insurance
> Tel: 800-851-2997
> Fax: 480-951-1455
> Cell: 602-628-2701
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: YPA membership |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
Did you get it?? The field was too big for just 30.00
so I added some more zeroes. Call me when it gets
there and I'll give you a fax number to send it back
to.
> Walt,
> You are most welcome to use MY paypal account to
> find out if you're doing it
> correctly. Send me $30 and I'll let you know if you
> did it correctly. :-)
> Dennis Savarese
>
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| Subject: | Re: YPA membership |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Nope! Didn't get it yet. Glad to hear you did add the necessary zeros
though. The zeros MUST be in front of the decimal point though you know!
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walt Fricke" <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YPA membership
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
>
> Did you get it?? The field was too big for just 30.00
> so I added some more zeroes. Call me when it gets
> there and I'll give you a fax number to send it back
> to.
>
> > Walt,
> > You are most welcome to use MY paypal account to
> > find out if you're doing it
> > correctly. Send me $30 and I'll let you know if you
> > did it correctly. :-)
> > Dennis Savarese
> >
>
>
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