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1. 01:32 AM - compressor (Mark Jefferies)
2. 06:54 AM - Re: Snot Valve (bob fitz)
3. 08:55 AM - Re: Snot Valve (Doug)
4. 12:15 PM - [ Ernie Martinez ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
5. 01:20 PM - Re: Jurgis Kairys (Craig Payne)
6. 02:32 PM - Cj6a (Lou Dakos)
7. 02:38 PM - [ Lou Dakos ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
8. 04:34 PM - A local YAK pilot needs our HELP!!!!!!! Please vote this weekend (Mark Schrick)
9. 05:13 PM - Re: Cj6a (Walt Lannon)
10. 05:19 PM - Re: A local YAK pilot needs our HELP!!!!!!! Please (Terry Calloway)
11. 06:32 PM - Re: A local YAK pilot needs our HELP!!!!!!! Please vote this weekendsoon!!!! (Janet)
12. 06:53 PM - Re: A local YAK pilot needs our HELP!!!!!!! Please vote this weeken... (Bpx2horn@aol.com)
13. 06:53 PM - Re: A local YAK pilot needs our HELP!!!!!!! Please vote this weekend soon!!!! (Sam Sax)
14. 08:04 PM - Re: Cj6a (Craig Payne)
15. 09:01 PM - A local YAK pilot needs our HELP!!!!!!! Please vote this weekend (Mark Schrick)
16. 09:26 PM - A local YAK pilot needs our HELP!!!!!!! Please vote this weekend (Mark Schrick)
17. 09:45 PM - Re: A local YAK pilot needs our HELP!!!!!!! Please vote this weeken... (KingCJ6@aol.com)
18. 11:11 PM - Re: A local YAK pilot needs our HELP!!!!!!! Please vote this weeken... (Jim Selby)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark@yakuk.com>
In response to:-
"One model of the Yak-18T had that type valve come from the factory on it. "
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Early YAK 52's and YAK 18T have an automatic "off load" valve, the operation is
that at a pre set pressure say 50 ata, the valve opens allowing all compressor
air to vent. If bottle "system pressure" drops (again to a pre set) the valve
closes. simple as that!!
Advantages 1. automatic and no pilot thinking required. cuts in at 40 ata so when
you drop the gear in the pattern no need to close the valve at a high work
load time.
Disadvantage 1. cost and a bit of weight.
I have fitted these valves to the YAK 11's we have rebuilt.
Hope this clarifies the position.
mark j
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "bob fitz" <rmfitz@direcway.com>
Doug,
Did you ever get your order of new pumps? Or is there anyone out there
rebuilding them? Mine seems free but it sheared the pins and considering
the job it is to change I want this one overhauled or replaced. Thanx.
Bob
PS Mine lasted abt 270hrs.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Snot Valve
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Guys,
Last year I hooked my compressor so it could be opened in flight,
installed a fuel flow, and a digital tac. All in an effort to de-bunk
or confirm this claim of fuel savings or more power. I found that in
cruise when the snot valve was opened and the fuel flow and the tac were
monitored, no change was noted in either instrument. So either the
measurements are so small that my instruments could not detect them, or
there was in fact no change. Either way I think its not worth doing.
Any small gain (if there is any) is lost when you stop to consider that
you have just created another thing to cause you grief when you least
expect it.
Also, about pump life. Getting an excess of 600 hours out of a pump is
wishful thinking. These types of accessories seldom make engine TBO.
But considering the difficulty in R&R'ing the compressor, it would be
great if this one was a bit longer lasting.
One last thought--Many machines are designed to operate under a load, so
there is the outside chance that we might not be extending the life by
taking the pressure off the pump,and in fact might be shorting it.
food
for thought.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
----- Original Message -----
From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Snot Valve
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:50:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> yakpilot@wideopenwest.com writes:
>
>
> >
> > When I got my Yak-52 in 1996 I had the hardware installed so that
> > the
snot
> > valve could be opened (and closed) from the cockpit so that the
compressor
> > would not work against itself in-flight after it had re-filled the
> > air system. This supposedly would cause the compressor to last
> > longer.
Well
> > my compressor gave it up after 600 hours. (Note-the airplane &
compressor
> > were new in 1996 and I flew all 600 hours using the cockpit control
> > to
open
> > the snot valve in-flight as recommended.) I don't know if maybe I
> > had a compressor doomed to failure at 600 hours no matter what and
> > opening the snot valve in-flight is truely a good thing or it really
> > has no effect
on
> > the operation and longevity of the compressor. The cockpit control
> > was disconnected 25 hours ago after a new compressor was installed.
> > Now
that I
> > have confirmed the air system in working fine again, I have to
> > decide whether I should reconnect the cockpit control. Any thoughts
> > would be appreciated.
> >
> > Bob M.
> >
>
> Bob,
> My personal view is that I don't think it makes much difference. I do
> not dispute that you gain some HP with the valve open and the
> compressor is robbing some HP. I just don't know how much and is it
> worth it. One
model
> of the Yak-18T had that type valve come from the factory on it.
> Others
did
> not. It might make sense on an aircraft used for cruising in that
> some
fuel
> economy may be gained, but from the short duration flights of a Yak-52
> it might not mean a lot.
>
> To me the compressor is sitting on the engine, and it is moving up and
down,
> up and down, weather its compressing air or not. To me this is what
> wears
a
> compressor out, not the act of compressing. It does rob HP from the
engine,
> more so when its compressing air. HP relates to fuel used over a
> given
time
> period. That is the real reason for the bypass valve, to save fuel
>
> Now referring to the KISS principles of flight. Operation of the
> valve is one more thing to divert one's attention from the perils and
> beauty of flight. One must ask one self "Do I REALLY need this?"
> Personally, just
for
> me, no. But if I had this engine in a world cruiser, yes.
>
> Jim
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin
> 1759 "With my shield, or on it"
> Trojan Warriors BC
>
>
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Bob,
Yes I just unpacked 5 factory new ones. $300.00 exchange or $375.00 without
the exchange. I ask for the exchange as I am trying to gather up the parts
to overhaul. I feel that if we don't gain this knowledge now we may be in
trouble down the line if the supply of these new pumps is no longer
available.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
----- Original Message -----
From: "bob fitz" <rmfitz@direcway.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Snot Valve
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "bob fitz" <rmfitz@direcway.com>
>
> Doug,
> Did you ever get your order of new pumps? Or is there anyone out there
> rebuilding them? Mine seems free but it sheared the pins and considering
> the job it is to change I want this one overhauled or replaced. Thanx.
> Bob
> PS Mine lasted abt 270hrs.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Snot Valve
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Guys,
> Last year I hooked my compressor so it could be opened in flight,
> installed a fuel flow, and a digital tac. All in an effort to de-bunk
> or confirm this claim of fuel savings or more power. I found that in
> cruise when the snot valve was opened and the fuel flow and the tac were
> monitored, no change was noted in either instrument. So either the
> measurements are so small that my instruments could not detect them, or
> there was in fact no change. Either way I think its not worth doing.
> Any small gain (if there is any) is lost when you stop to consider that
> you have just created another thing to cause you grief when you least
> expect it.
>
> Also, about pump life. Getting an excess of 600 hours out of a pump is
> wishful thinking. These types of accessories seldom make engine TBO.
> But considering the difficulty in R&R'ing the compressor, it would be
> great if this one was a bit longer lasting.
>
> One last thought--Many machines are designed to operate under a load, so
> there is the outside chance that we might not be extending the life by
> taking the pressure off the pump,and in fact might be shorting it.
> food
> for thought.
>
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Snot Valve
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:50:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > yakpilot@wideopenwest.com writes:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > When I got my Yak-52 in 1996 I had the hardware installed so that
> > > the
> snot
> > > valve could be opened (and closed) from the cockpit so that the
> compressor
> > > would not work against itself in-flight after it had re-filled the
> > > air system. This supposedly would cause the compressor to last
> > > longer.
> Well
> > > my compressor gave it up after 600 hours. (Note-the airplane &
> compressor
> > > were new in 1996 and I flew all 600 hours using the cockpit control
> > > to
> open
> > > the snot valve in-flight as recommended.) I don't know if maybe I
> > > had a compressor doomed to failure at 600 hours no matter what and
> > > opening the snot valve in-flight is truely a good thing or it really
>
> > > has no effect
> on
> > > the operation and longevity of the compressor. The cockpit control
> > > was disconnected 25 hours ago after a new compressor was installed.
>
> > > Now
> that I
> > > have confirmed the air system in working fine again, I have to
> > > decide whether I should reconnect the cockpit control. Any thoughts
>
> > > would be appreciated.
> > >
> > > Bob M.
> > >
> >
> > Bob,
> > My personal view is that I don't think it makes much difference. I do
>
> > not dispute that you gain some HP with the valve open and the
> > compressor is robbing some HP. I just don't know how much and is it
> > worth it. One
> model
> > of the Yak-18T had that type valve come from the factory on it.
> > Others
> did
> > not. It might make sense on an aircraft used for cruising in that
> > some
> fuel
> > economy may be gained, but from the short duration flights of a Yak-52
>
> > it might not mean a lot.
> >
> > To me the compressor is sitting on the engine, and it is moving up and
> down,
> > up and down, weather its compressing air or not. To me this is what
> > wears
> a
> > compressor out, not the act of compressing. It does rob HP from the
> engine,
> > more so when its compressing air. HP relates to fuel used over a
> > given
> time
> > period. That is the real reason for the bypass valve, to save fuel
> >
> > Now referring to the KISS principles of flight. Operation of the
> > valve is one more thing to divert one's attention from the perils and
> > beauty of flight. One must ask one self "Do I REALLY need this?"
> > Personally, just
> for
> > me, no. But if I had this engine in a world cruiser, yes.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> > deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> > Benjamin Franklin
> > 1759 "With my shield, or on it"
> > Trojan Warriors BC
> >
> >
>
>
> direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
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| Subject: | [ Ernie Martinez ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Ernie Martinez <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: USA
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| Subject: | Re: Jurgis Kairys |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne <cpayne@mc.net>
Ha! That's nothing! I have personally flown with "Pappy" himself...Brave
leader of Nanny Yaks, ChuJiao's and assorted Hairy Yaks. And, after an
impending Oshkosh Warbird show that will feature such exotic beasts,
Pappy will be awarded as "Hero of the Proletariat Pilots".
Be there for the fun. (Hero's always buy)
Craig Payne
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> OK! OK! OK! Don't wet your pants! :-) I've shaken hands with Neil
> Armstrong, Pavoroty, Rosy Grer, Warner Von Baun, Nelson Rockefeller, Jimmy
> Conners, Kurt Douglas, Neal Williams, Mary Gaffney, Bevo Howard, - - - - -
>
> Meeting Kairys would be nice.
> Jim
=================================================================
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Lou Dakos" <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au>
I have finally finished my Cj6a and I would like to thank Linsday Sinclair Joe
Howse Walt Lannon Doug Sapp and all the people on the yak list who offered there
help and advice which helped to make my project much easier, I have sent some
pics to the matronics email photoshare.
I will be at Oskosh this year so I will keep an eye out for you blokes.
Thank
Lou dakos
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A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Lou Dakos <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au>
Subject: Finished Cj6a
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| Subject: | A local YAK pilot needs our HELP!!!!!!! Please vote this weekend |
soon!!!!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net>
Larry is the MT representative that helped REDSTAR last year by offering a
discount on new MTV-9 (3 blade) props. He is a large supporter of YPA and
currently owns a 1996 Yak 52. Please go to the site and scroll down the left
side to vote "YES" so he can retain his acrobatic box. Pass this message to
other to help the vote.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1134 VOTE "YES" scroll down left
side to poll box
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Schlasinger [mailto:mtprop@hotmail.com]
Subject: Re: FW: Shipping label MT PROPELLER.
Hi Mark,
You can do me a big favor. Our local paper the "Chetek Alert" is running a
poll on whether or not I should get my aerobatic box renewed. PLEASE put
the Chetek Alert in goggle and go to the website and vote YES in the poll
and PLEASE see if you can find anyone else to do so...one vote/computer. I'm
forwarding my letter to refute the article on the airport manager...
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1134 VOTE "YES"
Thanks so much
Larry
February 20, 2003
From: Larry Schlasinger
Im presently out of the country, but I was made aware of the article in the
Alert and controversy regarding my aerobatic box and aerobatic flying. It is
unfortunate that the situation has gotten so far out of hand and that there
has been so much time wasted in dealing with such a simple matter. The
entire problem comes down to the fact that Gene Buffington and Todd Kirkman
(Genes good friend) dont like me. This dislike is easy to understand if one
knows all the facts. First, Todd and I used to be friends. I dealt with Todd
in business (since we are both in the aviation business) and also as a
personal friend. Todd has his own way of doing business but since we are all
a bit different, I overlooked many of Todds unusual business practices.
Todd originally supported my aerobatic flying and actually had me teach him
to fly aerobatics in his Russian Yak. My relationship with Todd fell apart
when I assisted the Washburn County Sheriffs Department in an airplane
burglary investigation. The evidence gained during this investigation led
directly to Todd and he was eventually arrested for the crime, as reported
in the Chetek Alert some time ago. Todd blamed me for his arrest, and is now
doing anything he can to inconvenience and discredit me. I cant change the
fact he was involved in this action and I refused to do anything other than
what was proper at the time, regardless of the fact we had been friends.
The story with Gene is something different. Gene has been involved with
aviation for much longer than I have and to listen to him you would think
that he knows much more than I do (and everyone else). He was (and still is)
the commanding force that rules the Chetek Airport (regardless of the
committee structure in place) and most of the people in Chetek consider him
an expert and let him have his way. When I came to Chetek, I found that Gene
controlled everything at the airport and if I wanted anything done Id need
to have his approval, which meant that I needed to acknowledge that he was
the commander and the airport expert. The problem was that Gene is not an
expert in General aviation. He has absolutely no training or experience in
airport management. Gene was an airline captain, which, with the assistance
of an enormous company, he flew a plane. No business experience, management
experience or people skills. This was confirmed by the State Of Wisconsin
DOT telling me that they had tried many times to get Gene to attend airport
management classes and he always thought that for him this was unnecessary.
Gene has claimed that my aerobatic flying is unsafe and my area is unsafe.
It appears that Gene thinks he knows more than the experts at the State of
Wisconsin Department of Aeronautics and also the Federal Aviation
Administration. BOTH of these agencies have PERSONALLY inspected and
APPROVED my flying and my area (I hold a special license that allows me to
fly aerobatics to ground level and Gene has no such license or experience).
The State DOT actually came to our airport committee meeting and told Gene
that everything was safe. Gene didn'tt accept this answer and amazingly
called the director of the DOA and told him that the inspector that had come
to our meeting had done a bad job and Gene wanted it said that my aerobatic
box was unsafe. Naturally this didn'tt happen. It was confirmed again, in
writing and drawings, that there was absolutely no overlap or conflict or
safety issue.
Gene has made many, many mistakes at the airport and has always blamed
others for these mistakes. He has taken the best hangar spot for himself,
chosen to build his hangar higher than the neighbors hangars (contrary to
the State of Wisconsin engineers recommendation) so the neighbor has a
drainage problem, taken the neighbors black dirt for his own landscaping,
complained about the noise of my Cessna 185 (which I flew from the Chetek
Airport very seldom as I normally kept it at my home airport) and then
bought his own 185, producing exactly the same noise as my 185, and
proceeded to do practice takeoffs & landings making more noise in one day
than I made in a month. Gene also falsified the airport committee records
in August of 2002, indicating that the Airport committee had voted and
passed a motion to write a letter to the FAA to close down my aerobatic box.
There was no such vote (confirmed by the two members of the committee in
favor of my aerobatic flying). Never the less, Gene made up the minutes to
indicate that there was and went ahead and wrote the letter to the FAA
without the authority to do so. The list of Genes mistakes goes on and on.
The reason he has such a problem with me is that I call a spade a spade and
always let him know what I think of his poor decisions and abilities and
that I call him on his numerous mistakes and selfish endeavors. Gene takes
this personally and is doing anything in his power to take away what he
perceives as something important to me. He even cancelled the 4th of July
airshow that I had been doing as my contribution (absolutely no charge) for
the people of Chetek and Hydroflites Ski Team, because we didn'tt make him
the Airshow co-coordinator or ask his permission in the first place. Id
have been very happy to have him help, but he had no interest and only
complained about the show.
Some time ago, I was informed by Judy Reichert, that she, after hearing
about Genes attempt to shut me down, had started a petition to show that my
neighbors supported my aerobatic flying, my airshow and aerobatic box. I had
absolutely NOTHING to do with starting or pushing this petition, it was done
without my knowledge. The Chetek Town Board, as well as many others,
willingly signed this petition. Naturally I was very happy to have had this
done. Over the years Ive been flying aerobatics and the airshow, Ive had
many, many people comment how much they enjoy the flying and this year on
how many were disappointed in not having the show for the 4th. Ive recently
been made aware that Gene started HIS OWN petition and has been calling all
my neighbors himself, looking for people against my flying. Im sure he can
find some if he really tries, but why not have a real vote among ALL the
people of the area and see what everyone thinks. Ill be happy to make Gene
a deal. If there is such a vote and I loose, Ill move my aerobatic flying
elsewhere and never do another airshow in Chetek. On the other hand, if the
people vote to keep me flying and doing the airshow, then how about Gene
stepping down from any and all forms of airport management and let someone
replace him that will do the airport and the community of Chetek some good
and quit using a city office to forward a personal vendetta.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <lannon@look.ca>
G'day Lou;
Congratulations on finishing your project. I'm sure it flies like a dream.
Will check out your photos when they show up on Photoshare, it takes a
little time.
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lou Dakos" <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au>
Subject: Yak-List: Cj6a
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lou Dakos" <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au>
>
> I have finally finished my Cj6a and I would like to thank Linsday Sinclair
Joe Howse Walt Lannon Doug Sapp and all the people on the yak list who
offered there help and advice which helped to make my project much easier, I
have sent some pics to the matronics email photoshare.
> I will be at Oskosh this year so I will keep an eye out for you blokes.
>
>
> Thank
> Lou dakos
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A local YAK pilot needs our HELP!!!!!!! Please |
vote this weekendsoon!!!!
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
DONE!
Let's all support this Yak owner. It could happen to us next.
tc
>>> schrick@pacbell.net 2/22/2003 6:31:50 PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net>
Larry is the MT representative that helped REDSTAR last year by offering a
discount on new MTV-9 (3 blade) props. He is a large supporter of YPA and
currently owns a 1996 Yak 52. Please go to the site and scroll down the left
side to vote "YES" so he can retain his acrobatic box. Pass this message to
other to help the vote.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd1134 VOTE "YES" scroll down left
side to poll box
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Schlasinger [mailto:mtprop@hotmail.com]
Subject: Re: FW: Shipping label MT PROPELLER.
Hi Mark,
You can do me a big favor. Our local paper the "Chetek Alert" is running a
poll on whether or not I should get my aerobatic box renewed. PLEASE put
the Chetek Alert in goggle and go to the website and vote YES in the poll
and PLEASE see if you can find anyone else to do so...one vote/computer. I'm
forwarding my letter to refute the article on the airport manager...
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd1134 VOTE "YES"
Thanks so much
Larry
February 20, 2003
From: Larry Schlasinger
Im presently out of the country, but I was made aware of the article in the
Alert and controversy regarding my aerobatic box and aerobatic flying. It is
unfortunate that the situation has gotten so far out of hand and that there
has been so much time wasted in dealing with such a simple matter. The
entire problem comes down to the fact that Gene Buffington and Todd Kirkman
(Genes good friend) dont like me. This dislike is easy to understand if one
knows all the facts. First, Todd and I used to be friends. I dealt with Todd
in business (since we are both in the aviation business) and also as a
personal friend. Todd has his own way of doing business but since we are all
a bit different, I overlooked many of Todds unusual business practices.
Todd originally supported my aerobatic flying and actually had me teach him
to fly aerobatics in his Russian Yak. My relationship with Todd fell apart
when I assisted the Washburn County Sheriffs Department in an airplane
burglary investigation. The evidence gained during this investigation led
directly to Todd and he was eventually arrested for the crime, as reported
in the Chetek Alert some time ago. Todd blamed me for his arrest, and is now
doing anything he can to inconvenience and discredit me. I cant change the
fact he was involved in this action and I refused to do anything other than
what was proper at the time, regardless of the fact we had been friends.
The story with Gene is something different. Gene has been involved with
aviation for much longer than I have and to listen to him you would think
that he knows much more than I do (and everyone else). He was (and still is)
the commanding force that rules the Chetek Airport (regardless of the
committee structure in place) and most of the people in Chetek consider him
an expert and let him have his way. When I came to Chetek, I found that Gene
controlled everything at the airport and if I wanted anything done Id need
to have his approval, which meant that I needed to acknowledge that he was
the commander and the airport expert. The problem was that Gene is not an
expert in General aviation. He has absolutely no training or experience in
airport management. Gene was an airline captain, which, with the assistance
of an enormous company, he flew a plane. No business experience, management
experience or people skills. This was confirmed by the State Of Wisconsin
DOT telling me that they had tried many times to get Gene to attend airport
management classes and he always thought that for him this was unnecessary.
Gene has claimed that my aerobatic flying is unsafe and my area is unsafe.
It appears that Gene thinks he knows more than the experts at the State of
Wisconsin Department of Aeronautics and also the Federal Aviation
Administration. BOTH of these agencies have PERSONALLY inspected and
APPROVED my flying and my area (I hold a special license that allows me to
fly aerobatics to ground level and Gene has no such license or experience).
The State DOT actually came to our airport committee meeting and told Gene
that everything was safe. Gene didn'tt accept this answer and amazingly
called the director of the DOA and told him that the inspector that had come
to our meeting had done a bad job and Gene wanted it said that my aerobatic
box was unsafe. Naturally this didn'tt happen. It was confirmed again, in
writing and drawings, that there was absolutely no overlap or conflict or
safety issue.
Gene has made many, many mistakes at the airport and has always blamed
others for these mistakes. He has taken the best hangar spot for himself,
chosen to build his hangar higher than the neighbors hangars (contrary to
the State of Wisconsin engineers recommendation) so the neighbor has a
drainage problem, taken the neighbors black dirt for his own landscaping,
complained about the noise of my Cessna 185 (which I flew from the Chetek
Airport very seldom as I normally kept it at my home airport) and then
bought his own 185, producing exactly the same noise as my 185, and
proceeded to do practice takeoffs & landings making more noise in one day
than I made in a month. Gene also falsified the airport committee records
in August of 2002, indicating that the Airport committee had voted and
passed a motion to write a letter to the FAA to close down my aerobatic box.
There was no such vote (confirmed by the two members of the committee in
favor of my aerobatic flying). Never the less, Gene made up the minutes to
indicate that there was and went ahead and wrote the letter to the FAA
without the authority to do so. The list of Genes mistakes goes on and on.
The reason he has such a problem with me is that I call a spade a spade and
always let him know what I think of his poor decisions and abilities and
that I call him on his numerous mistakes and selfish endeavors. Gene takes
this personally and is doing anything in his power to take away what he
perceives as something important to me. He even cancelled the 4th of July
airshow that I had been doing as my contribution (absolutely no charge) for
the people of Chetek and Hydroflites Ski Team, because we didn'tt make him
the Airshow co-coordinator or ask his permission in the first place. Id
have been very happy to have him help, but he had no interest and only
complained about the show.
Some time ago, I was informed by Judy Reichert, that she, after hearing
about Genes attempt to shut me down, had started a petition to show that my
neighbors supported my aerobatic flying, my airshow and aerobatic box. I had
absolutely NOTHING to do with starting or pushing this petition, it was done
without my knowledge. The Chetek Town Board, as well as many others,
willingly signed this petition. Naturally I was very happy to have had this
done. Over the years Ive been flying aerobatics and the airshow, Ive had
many, many people comment how much they enjoy the flying and this year on
how many were disappointed in not having the show for the 4th. Ive recently
been made aware that Gene started HIS OWN petition and has been calling all
my neighbors himself, looking for people against my flying. Im sure he can
find some if he really tries, but why not have a real vote among ALL the
people of the area and see what everyone thinks. Ill be happy to make Gene
a deal. If there is such a vote and I loose, Ill move my aerobatic flying
elsewhere and never do another airshow in Chetek. On the other hand, if the
people vote to keep me flying and doing the airshow, then how about Gene
stepping down from any and all forms of airport management and let someone
replace him that will do the airport and the community of Chetek some good
and quit using a city office to forward a personal vendetta.
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weekendsoon!!!!
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Janet" <talewis@attbi.com>
Mark,
Have you checked the votes lately?
Evidently the Yak pilots can make a
big difference when they work together.
Terry Lewis
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net>
Subject: Yak-List: A local YAK pilot needs our HELP!!!!!!! Please vote this
weekendsoon!!!!
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net>
>
> Larry is the MT representative that helped REDSTAR last year by offering a
> discount on new MTV-9 (3 blade) props. He is a large supporter of YPA and
> currently owns a 1996 Yak 52. Please go to the site and scroll down the
left
> side to vote "YES" so he can retain his acrobatic box. Pass this message
to
> other to help the vote.
>
> http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1134 VOTE "YES" scroll down
left
> side to poll box
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Schlasinger [mailto:mtprop@hotmail.com]
> To: schrick@pacbell.net
> Subject: Re: FW: Shipping label MT PROPELLER.
>
>
> Hi Mark,
> You can do me a big favor. Our local paper the "Chetek Alert" is running a
> poll on whether or not I should get my aerobatic box renewed. PLEASE put
> the Chetek Alert in goggle and go to the website and vote YES in the poll
> and PLEASE see if you can find anyone else to do so...one vote/computer.
I'm
> forwarding my letter to refute the article on the airport manager...
>
> http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1134 VOTE "YES"
>
> Thanks so much
>
> Larry
>
>
> February 20, 2003
>
> To: the Chetek Alert
>
> From: Larry Schlasinger
>
> Im presently out of the country, but I was made aware of the article in
the
> Alert and controversy regarding my aerobatic box and aerobatic flying. It
is
> unfortunate that the situation has gotten so far out of hand and that
there
> has been so much time wasted in dealing with such a simple matter. The
> entire problem comes down to the fact that Gene Buffington and Todd
Kirkman
> (Genes good friend) dont like me. This dislike is easy to understand if
one
> knows all the facts. First, Todd and I used to be friends. I dealt with
Todd
> in business (since we are both in the aviation business) and also as a
> personal friend. Todd has his own way of doing business but since we are
all
> a bit different, I overlooked many of Todds unusual business practices.
> Todd originally supported my aerobatic flying and actually had me teach
him
> to fly aerobatics in his Russian Yak. My relationship with Todd fell apart
> when I assisted the Washburn County Sheriffs Department in an airplane
> burglary investigation. The evidence gained during this investigation led
> directly to Todd and he was eventually arrested for the crime, as reported
> in the Chetek Alert some time ago. Todd blamed me for his arrest, and is
now
> doing anything he can to inconvenience and discredit me. I cant change the
> fact he was involved in this action and I refused to do anything other
than
> what was proper at the time, regardless of the fact we had been friends.
>
> The story with Gene is something different. Gene has been involved with
> aviation for much longer than I have and to listen to him you would think
> that he knows much more than I do (and everyone else). He was (and still
is)
> the commanding force that rules the Chetek Airport (regardless of the
> committee structure in place) and most of the people in Chetek consider
him
> an expert and let him have his way. When I came to Chetek, I found that
Gene
> controlled everything at the airport and if I wanted anything done Id need
> to have his approval, which meant that I needed to acknowledge that he was
> the commander and the airport expert. The problem was that Gene is not an
> expert in General aviation. He has absolutely no training or experience in
> airport management. Gene was an airline captain, which, with the
assistance
> of an enormous company, he flew a plane. No business experience,
management
> experience or people skills. This was confirmed by the State Of Wisconsin
> DOT telling me that they had tried many times to get Gene to attend
airport
> management classes and he always thought that for him this was
unnecessary.
> Gene has claimed that my aerobatic flying is unsafe and my area is unsafe.
> It appears that Gene thinks he knows more than the experts at the State of
> Wisconsin Department of Aeronautics and also the Federal Aviation
> Administration. BOTH of these agencies have PERSONALLY inspected and
> APPROVED my flying and my area (I hold a special license that allows me to
> fly aerobatics to ground level and Gene has no such license or
experience).
> The State DOT actually came to our airport committee meeting and told Gene
> that everything was safe. Gene didn'tt accept this answer and amazingly
> called the director of the DOA and told him that the inspector that had
come
> to our meeting had done a bad job and Gene wanted it said that my
aerobatic
> box was unsafe. Naturally this didn'tt happen. It was confirmed again, in
> writing and drawings, that there was absolutely no overlap or conflict or
> safety issue.
> Gene has made many, many mistakes at the airport and has always blamed
> others for these mistakes. He has taken the best hangar spot for himself,
> chosen to build his hangar higher than the neighbors hangars (contrary to
> the State of Wisconsin engineers recommendation) so the neighbor has a
> drainage problem, taken the neighbors black dirt for his own landscaping,
> complained about the noise of my Cessna 185 (which I flew from the Chetek
> Airport very seldom as I normally kept it at my home airport) and then
> bought his own 185, producing exactly the same noise as my 185, and
> proceeded to do practice takeoffs & landings making more noise in one day
> than I made in a month. Gene also falsified the airport committee records
> in August of 2002, indicating that the Airport committee had voted and
> passed a motion to write a letter to the FAA to close down my aerobatic
box.
> There was no such vote (confirmed by the two members of the committee in
> favor of my aerobatic flying). Never the less, Gene made up the minutes to
> indicate that there was and went ahead and wrote the letter to the FAA
> without the authority to do so. The list of Genes mistakes goes on and on.
> The reason he has such a problem with me is that I call a spade a spade
and
> always let him know what I think of his poor decisions and abilities and
> that I call him on his numerous mistakes and selfish endeavors. Gene takes
> this personally and is doing anything in his power to take away what he
> perceives as something important to me. He even cancelled the 4th of July
> airshow that I had been doing as my contribution (absolutely no charge)
for
> the people of Chetek and Hydroflites Ski Team, because we didn'tt make him
> the Airshow co-coordinator or ask his permission in the first place. Id
> have been very happy to have him help, but he had no interest and only
> complained about the show.
> Some time ago, I was informed by Judy Reichert, that she, after hearing
> about Genes attempt to shut me down, had started a petition to show that
my
> neighbors supported my aerobatic flying, my airshow and aerobatic box. I
had
> absolutely NOTHING to do with starting or pushing this petition, it was
done
> without my knowledge. The Chetek Town Board, as well as many others,
> willingly signed this petition. Naturally I was very happy to have had
this
> done. Over the years Ive been flying aerobatics and the airshow, Ive had
> many, many people comment how much they enjoy the flying and this year on
> how many were disappointed in not having the show for the 4th. Ive
recently
> been made aware that Gene started HIS OWN petition and has been calling
all
> my neighbors himself, looking for people against my flying. Im sure he can
> find some if he really tries, but why not have a real vote among ALL the
> people of the area and see what everyone thinks. Ill be happy to make Gene
> a deal. If there is such a vote and I loose, Ill move my aerobatic flying
> elsewhere and never do another airshow in Chetek. On the other hand, if
the
> people vote to keep me flying and doing the airshow, then how about Gene
> stepping down from any and all forms of airport management and let someone
> replace him that will do the airport and the community of Chetek some good
> and quit using a city office to forward a personal vendetta.
>
>
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The Pilot got my vote It is up to 73% in favor.
Paul Hornick
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weekend soon!!!!
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sam Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
Larry has our support and votes from Miami, FL.
Sam Sax
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Schrick
Subject: Yak-List: A local YAK pilot needs our HELP!!!!!!! Please vote this
weekend soon!!!!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net>
Larry is the MT representative that helped REDSTAR last year by offering a
discount on new MTV-9 (3 blade) props. He is a large supporter of YPA and
currently owns a 1996 Yak 52. Please go to the site and scroll down the left
side to vote "YES" so he can retain his acrobatic box. Pass this message to
other to help the vote.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1134 VOTE "YES" scroll down left
side to poll box
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Schlasinger [mailto:mtprop@hotmail.com]
Subject: Re: FW: Shipping label MT PROPELLER.
Hi Mark,
You can do me a big favor. Our local paper the "Chetek Alert" is running a
poll on whether or not I should get my aerobatic box renewed. PLEASE put
the Chetek Alert in goggle and go to the website and vote YES in the poll
and PLEASE see if you can find anyone else to do so...one vote/computer. I'm
forwarding my letter to refute the article on the airport manager...
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1134 VOTE "YES"
Thanks so much
Larry
February 20, 2003
From: Larry Schlasinger
Im presently out of the country, but I was made aware of the article in the
Alert and controversy regarding my aerobatic box and aerobatic flying. It is
unfortunate that the situation has gotten so far out of hand and that there
has been so much time wasted in dealing with such a simple matter. The
entire problem comes down to the fact that Gene Buffington and Todd Kirkman
(Genes good friend) dont like me. This dislike is easy to understand if one
knows all the facts. First, Todd and I used to be friends. I dealt with Todd
in business (since we are both in the aviation business) and also as a
personal friend. Todd has his own way of doing business but since we are all
a bit different, I overlooked many of Todds unusual business practices.
Todd originally supported my aerobatic flying and actually had me teach him
to fly aerobatics in his Russian Yak. My relationship with Todd fell apart
when I assisted the Washburn County Sheriffs Department in an airplane
burglary investigation. The evidence gained during this investigation led
directly to Todd and he was eventually arrested for the crime, as reported
in the Chetek Alert some time ago. Todd blamed me for his arrest, and is now
doing anything he can to inconvenience and discredit me. I cant change the
fact he was involved in this action and I refused to do anything other than
what was proper at the time, regardless of the fact we had been friends.
The story with Gene is something different. Gene has been involved with
aviation for much longer than I have and to listen to him you would think
that he knows much more than I do (and everyone else). He was (and still is)
the commanding force that rules the Chetek Airport (regardless of the
committee structure in place) and most of the people in Chetek consider him
an expert and let him have his way. When I came to Chetek, I found that Gene
controlled everything at the airport and if I wanted anything done Id need
to have his approval, which meant that I needed to acknowledge that he was
the commander and the airport expert. The problem was that Gene is not an
expert in General aviation. He has absolutely no training or experience in
airport management. Gene was an airline captain, which, with the assistance
of an enormous company, he flew a plane. No business experience, management
experience or people skills. This was confirmed by the State Of Wisconsin
DOT telling me that they had tried many times to get Gene to attend airport
management classes and he always thought that for him this was unnecessary.
Gene has claimed that my aerobatic flying is unsafe and my area is unsafe.
It appears that Gene thinks he knows more than the experts at the State of
Wisconsin Department of Aeronautics and also the Federal Aviation
Administration. BOTH of these agencies have PERSONALLY inspected and
APPROVED my flying and my area (I hold a special license that allows me to
fly aerobatics to ground level and Gene has no such license or experience).
The State DOT actually came to our airport committee meeting and told Gene
that everything was safe. Gene didn'tt accept this answer and amazingly
called the director of the DOA and told him that the inspector that had come
to our meeting had done a bad job and Gene wanted it said that my aerobatic
box was unsafe. Naturally this didn'tt happen. It was confirmed again, in
writing and drawings, that there was absolutely no overlap or conflict or
safety issue.
Gene has made many, many mistakes at the airport and has always blamed
others for these mistakes. He has taken the best hangar spot for himself,
chosen to build his hangar higher than the neighbors hangars (contrary to
the State of Wisconsin engineers recommendation) so the neighbor has a
drainage problem, taken the neighbors black dirt for his own landscaping,
complained about the noise of my Cessna 185 (which I flew from the Chetek
Airport very seldom as I normally kept it at my home airport) and then
bought his own 185, producing exactly the same noise as my 185, and
proceeded to do practice takeoffs & landings making more noise in one day
than I made in a month. Gene also falsified the airport committee records
in August of 2002, indicating that the Airport committee had voted and
passed a motion to write a letter to the FAA to close down my aerobatic box.
There was no such vote (confirmed by the two members of the committee in
favor of my aerobatic flying). Never the less, Gene made up the minutes to
indicate that there was and went ahead and wrote the letter to the FAA
without the authority to do so. The list of Genes mistakes goes on and on.
The reason he has such a problem with me is that I call a spade a spade and
always let him know what I think of his poor decisions and abilities and
that I call him on his numerous mistakes and selfish endeavors. Gene takes
this personally and is doing anything in his power to take away what he
perceives as something important to me. He even cancelled the 4th of July
airshow that I had been doing as my contribution (absolutely no charge) for
the people of Chetek and Hydroflites Ski Team, because we didn'tt make him
the Airshow co-coordinator or ask his permission in the first place. Id
have been very happy to have him help, but he had no interest and only
complained about the show.
Some time ago, I was informed by Judy Reichert, that she, after hearing
about Genes attempt to shut me down, had started a petition to show that my
neighbors supported my aerobatic flying, my airshow and aerobatic box. I had
absolutely NOTHING to do with starting or pushing this petition, it was done
without my knowledge. The Chetek Town Board, as well as many others,
willingly signed this petition. Naturally I was very happy to have had this
done. Over the years Ive been flying aerobatics and the airshow, Ive had
many, many people comment how much they enjoy the flying and this year on
how many were disappointed in not having the show for the 4th. Ive recently
been made aware that Gene started HIS OWN petition and has been calling all
my neighbors himself, looking for people against my flying. Im sure he can
find some if he really tries, but why not have a real vote among ALL the
people of the area and see what everyone thinks. Ill be happy to make Gene
a deal. If there is such a vote and I loose, Ill move my aerobatic flying
elsewhere and never do another airshow in Chetek. On the other hand, if the
people vote to keep me flying and doing the airshow, then how about Gene
stepping down from any and all forms of airport management and let someone
replace him that will do the airport and the community of Chetek some good
and quit using a city office to forward a personal vendetta.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne <cpayne@mc.net>
Good looking CJ! Hope you enjoy it. *someday* I'll restore mine. BTW, we
will be staging out of Manitowoc for Oshkosh, with some folks moving
over to Oshkosh mid-week, so if you would like to do some rear-seating,
come over to MTW before OSH officially starts if you can, otherwise,
join us when you can.
Craig Payne
Lou Dakos wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lou Dakos" <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au>
>
> I have finally finished my Cj6a and I would like to thank Linsday Sinclair Joe
Howse Walt Lannon Doug Sapp and all the people on the yak list who offered there
help and advice which helped to make my project much easier, I have sent
some pics to the matronics email photoshare.
> I will be at Oskosh this year so I will keep an eye out for you blokes.
>
> Thank
> Lou dakos
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soon!!!!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net>
You guys are the BEST GROUP IN AVIATION!!!!!! You can vote once per day so
it is helping him. As several of you have stated, This could be us next!!!!!
Keep up the GREAT JOB and I am very proud of this group and proud to be a
member!!!
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
Yak 52
San Jose, Ca
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Janet
Subject: Re: Yak-List: A local YAK pilot needs our HELP!!!!!!! Please
vote this weekendsoon!!!!
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Janet" <talewis@attbi.com>
Mark,
Have you checked the votes lately?
Evidently the Yak pilots can make a
big difference when they work together.
Terry Lewis
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net>
Subject: Yak-List: A local YAK pilot needs our HELP!!!!!!! Please vote this
weekendsoon!!!!
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net>
>
> Larry is the MT representative that helped REDSTAR last year by offering a
> discount on new MTV-9 (3 blade) props. He is a large supporter of YPA and
> currently owns a 1996 Yak 52. Please go to the site and scroll down the
left
> side to vote "YES" so he can retain his acrobatic box. Pass this message
to
> other to help the vote.
>
> http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1134 VOTE "YES" scroll down
left
> side to poll box
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Schlasinger [mailto:mtprop@hotmail.com]
> To: schrick@pacbell.net
> Subject: Re: FW: Shipping label MT PROPELLER.
>
>
> Hi Mark,
> You can do me a big favor. Our local paper the "Chetek Alert" is running a
> poll on whether or not I should get my aerobatic box renewed. PLEASE put
> the Chetek Alert in goggle and go to the website and vote YES in the poll
> and PLEASE see if you can find anyone else to do so...one vote/computer.
I'm
> forwarding my letter to refute the article on the airport manager...
>
> http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1134 VOTE "YES"
>
> Thanks so much
>
> Larry
>
>
> February 20, 2003
>
> To: the Chetek Alert
>
> From: Larry Schlasinger
>
> Im presently out of the country, but I was made aware of the article in
the
> Alert and controversy regarding my aerobatic box and aerobatic flying. It
is
> unfortunate that the situation has gotten so far out of hand and that
there
> has been so much time wasted in dealing with such a simple matter. The
> entire problem comes down to the fact that Gene Buffington and Todd
Kirkman
> (Genes good friend) dont like me. This dislike is easy to understand if
one
> knows all the facts. First, Todd and I used to be friends. I dealt with
Todd
> in business (since we are both in the aviation business) and also as a
> personal friend. Todd has his own way of doing business but since we are
all
> a bit different, I overlooked many of Todds unusual business practices.
> Todd originally supported my aerobatic flying and actually had me teach
him
> to fly aerobatics in his Russian Yak. My relationship with Todd fell apart
> when I assisted the Washburn County Sheriffs Department in an airplane
> burglary investigation. The evidence gained during this investigation led
> directly to Todd and he was eventually arrested for the crime, as reported
> in the Chetek Alert some time ago. Todd blamed me for his arrest, and is
now
> doing anything he can to inconvenience and discredit me. I cant change the
> fact he was involved in this action and I refused to do anything other
than
> what was proper at the time, regardless of the fact we had been friends.
>
> The story with Gene is something different. Gene has been involved with
> aviation for much longer than I have and to listen to him you would think
> that he knows much more than I do (and everyone else). He was (and still
is)
> the commanding force that rules the Chetek Airport (regardless of the
> committee structure in place) and most of the people in Chetek consider
him
> an expert and let him have his way. When I came to Chetek, I found that
Gene
> controlled everything at the airport and if I wanted anything done Id need
> to have his approval, which meant that I needed to acknowledge that he was
> the commander and the airport expert. The problem was that Gene is not an
> expert in General aviation. He has absolutely no training or experience in
> airport management. Gene was an airline captain, which, with the
assistance
> of an enormous company, he flew a plane. No business experience,
management
> experience or people skills. This was confirmed by the State Of Wisconsin
> DOT telling me that they had tried many times to get Gene to attend
airport
> management classes and he always thought that for him this was
unnecessary.
> Gene has claimed that my aerobatic flying is unsafe and my area is unsafe.
> It appears that Gene thinks he knows more than the experts at the State of
> Wisconsin Department of Aeronautics and also the Federal Aviation
> Administration. BOTH of these agencies have PERSONALLY inspected and
> APPROVED my flying and my area (I hold a special license that allows me to
> fly aerobatics to ground level and Gene has no such license or
experience).
> The State DOT actually came to our airport committee meeting and told Gene
> that everything was safe. Gene didn'tt accept this answer and amazingly
> called the director of the DOA and told him that the inspector that had
come
> to our meeting had done a bad job and Gene wanted it said that my
aerobatic
> box was unsafe. Naturally this didn'tt happen. It was confirmed again, in
> writing and drawings, that there was absolutely no overlap or conflict or
> safety issue.
> Gene has made many, many mistakes at the airport and has always blamed
> others for these mistakes. He has taken the best hangar spot for himself,
> chosen to build his hangar higher than the neighbors hangars (contrary to
> the State of Wisconsin engineers recommendation) so the neighbor has a
> drainage problem, taken the neighbors black dirt for his own landscaping,
> complained about the noise of my Cessna 185 (which I flew from the Chetek
> Airport very seldom as I normally kept it at my home airport) and then
> bought his own 185, producing exactly the same noise as my 185, and
> proceeded to do practice takeoffs & landings making more noise in one day
> than I made in a month. Gene also falsified the airport committee records
> in August of 2002, indicating that the Airport committee had voted and
> passed a motion to write a letter to the FAA to close down my aerobatic
box.
> There was no such vote (confirmed by the two members of the committee in
> favor of my aerobatic flying). Never the less, Gene made up the minutes to
> indicate that there was and went ahead and wrote the letter to the FAA
> without the authority to do so. The list of Genes mistakes goes on and on.
> The reason he has such a problem with me is that I call a spade a spade
and
> always let him know what I think of his poor decisions and abilities and
> that I call him on his numerous mistakes and selfish endeavors. Gene takes
> this personally and is doing anything in his power to take away what he
> perceives as something important to me. He even cancelled the 4th of July
> airshow that I had been doing as my contribution (absolutely no charge)
for
> the people of Chetek and Hydroflites Ski Team, because we didn'tt make him
> the Airshow co-coordinator or ask his permission in the first place. Id
> have been very happy to have him help, but he had no interest and only
> complained about the show.
> Some time ago, I was informed by Judy Reichert, that she, after hearing
> about Genes attempt to shut me down, had started a petition to show that
my
> neighbors supported my aerobatic flying, my airshow and aerobatic box. I
had
> absolutely NOTHING to do with starting or pushing this petition, it was
done
> without my knowledge. The Chetek Town Board, as well as many others,
> willingly signed this petition. Naturally I was very happy to have had
this
> done. Over the years Ive been flying aerobatics and the airshow, Ive had
> many, many people comment how much they enjoy the flying and this year on
> how many were disappointed in not having the show for the 4th. Ive
recently
> been made aware that Gene started HIS OWN petition and has been calling
all
> my neighbors himself, looking for people against my flying. Im sure he can
> find some if he really tries, but why not have a real vote among ALL the
> people of the area and see what everyone thinks. Ill be happy to make Gene
> a deal. If there is such a vote and I loose, Ill move my aerobatic flying
> elsewhere and never do another airshow in Chetek. On the other hand, if
the
> people vote to keep me flying and doing the airshow, then how about Gene
> stepping down from any and all forms of airport management and let someone
> replace him that will do the airport and the community of Chetek some good
> and quit using a city office to forward a personal vendetta.
>
>
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soon!!!!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net>
You guys are the BEST GROUP IN AVIATION!!!!!! You can vote once per day so
it is helping him. As several of you have stated, This could be us next!!!!!
Keep up the GREAT JOB and I am very proud of this group and proud to be a
member!!!
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
Yak 52
San Jose, Ca
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Janet
Subject: Re: Yak-List: A local YAK pilot needs our HELP!!!!!!! Please
vote this weekendsoon!!!!
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Janet" <talewis@attbi.com>
Mark,
Have you checked the votes lately?
Evidently the Yak pilots can make a
big difference when they work together.
Terry Lewis
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net>
Subject: Yak-List: A local YAK pilot needs our HELP!!!!!!! Please vote this
weekendsoon!!!!
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net>
>
> Larry is the MT representative that helped REDSTAR last year by offering a
> discount on new MTV-9 (3 blade) props. He is a large supporter of YPA and
> currently owns a 1996 Yak 52. Please go to the site and scroll down the
left
> side to vote "YES" so he can retain his acrobatic box. Pass this message
to
> other to help the vote.
>
> http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1134 VOTE "YES" scroll down
left
> side to poll box
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Schlasinger [mailto:mtprop@hotmail.com]
> To: schrick@pacbell.net
> Subject: Re: FW: Shipping label MT PROPELLER.
>
>
> Hi Mark,
> You can do me a big favor. Our local paper the "Chetek Alert" is running a
> poll on whether or not I should get my aerobatic box renewed. PLEASE put
> the Chetek Alert in goggle and go to the website and vote YES in the poll
> and PLEASE see if you can find anyone else to do so...one vote/computer.
I'm
> forwarding my letter to refute the article on the airport manager...
>
> http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1134 VOTE "YES"
>
> Thanks so much
>
> Larry
>
>
> February 20, 2003
>
> To: the Chetek Alert
>
> From: Larry Schlasinger
>
> Im presently out of the country, but I was made aware of the article in
the
> Alert and controversy regarding my aerobatic box and aerobatic flying. It
is
> unfortunate that the situation has gotten so far out of hand and that
there
> has been so much time wasted in dealing with such a simple matter. The
> entire problem comes down to the fact that Gene Buffington and Todd
Kirkman
> (Genes good friend) dont like me. This dislike is easy to understand if
one
> knows all the facts. First, Todd and I used to be friends. I dealt with
Todd
> in business (since we are both in the aviation business) and also as a
> personal friend. Todd has his own way of doing business but since we are
all
> a bit different, I overlooked many of Todds unusual business practices.
> Todd originally supported my aerobatic flying and actually had me teach
him
> to fly aerobatics in his Russian Yak. My relationship with Todd fell apart
> when I assisted the Washburn County Sheriffs Department in an airplane
> burglary investigation. The evidence gained during this investigation led
> directly to Todd and he was eventually arrested for the crime, as reported
> in the Chetek Alert some time ago. Todd blamed me for his arrest, and is
now
> doing anything he can to inconvenience and discredit me. I cant change the
> fact he was involved in this action and I refused to do anything other
than
> what was proper at the time, regardless of the fact we had been friends.
>
> The story with Gene is something different. Gene has been involved with
> aviation for much longer than I have and to listen to him you would think
> that he knows much more than I do (and everyone else). He was (and still
is)
> the commanding force that rules the Chetek Airport (regardless of the
> committee structure in place) and most of the people in Chetek consider
him
> an expert and let him have his way. When I came to Chetek, I found that
Gene
> controlled everything at the airport and if I wanted anything done Id need
> to have his approval, which meant that I needed to acknowledge that he was
> the commander and the airport expert. The problem was that Gene is not an
> expert in General aviation. He has absolutely no training or experience in
> airport management. Gene was an airline captain, which, with the
assistance
> of an enormous company, he flew a plane. No business experience,
management
> experience or people skills. This was confirmed by the State Of Wisconsin
> DOT telling me that they had tried many times to get Gene to attend
airport
> management classes and he always thought that for him this was
unnecessary.
> Gene has claimed that my aerobatic flying is unsafe and my area is unsafe.
> It appears that Gene thinks he knows more than the experts at the State of
> Wisconsin Department of Aeronautics and also the Federal Aviation
> Administration. BOTH of these agencies have PERSONALLY inspected and
> APPROVED my flying and my area (I hold a special license that allows me to
> fly aerobatics to ground level and Gene has no such license or
experience).
> The State DOT actually came to our airport committee meeting and told Gene
> that everything was safe. Gene didn'tt accept this answer and amazingly
> called the director of the DOA and told him that the inspector that had
come
> to our meeting had done a bad job and Gene wanted it said that my
aerobatic
> box was unsafe. Naturally this didn'tt happen. It was confirmed again, in
> writing and drawings, that there was absolutely no overlap or conflict or
> safety issue.
> Gene has made many, many mistakes at the airport and has always blamed
> others for these mistakes. He has taken the best hangar spot for himself,
> chosen to build his hangar higher than the neighbors hangars (contrary to
> the State of Wisconsin engineers recommendation) so the neighbor has a
> drainage problem, taken the neighbors black dirt for his own landscaping,
> complained about the noise of my Cessna 185 (which I flew from the Chetek
> Airport very seldom as I normally kept it at my home airport) and then
> bought his own 185, producing exactly the same noise as my 185, and
> proceeded to do practice takeoffs & landings making more noise in one day
> than I made in a month. Gene also falsified the airport committee records
> in August of 2002, indicating that the Airport committee had voted and
> passed a motion to write a letter to the FAA to close down my aerobatic
box.
> There was no such vote (confirmed by the two members of the committee in
> favor of my aerobatic flying). Never the less, Gene made up the minutes to
> indicate that there was and went ahead and wrote the letter to the FAA
> without the authority to do so. The list of Genes mistakes goes on and on.
> The reason he has such a problem with me is that I call a spade a spade
and
> always let him know what I think of his poor decisions and abilities and
> that I call him on his numerous mistakes and selfish endeavors. Gene takes
> this personally and is doing anything in his power to take away what he
> perceives as something important to me. He even cancelled the 4th of July
> airshow that I had been doing as my contribution (absolutely no charge)
for
> the people of Chetek and Hydroflites Ski Team, because we didn'tt make him
> the Airshow co-coordinator or ask his permission in the first place. Id
> have been very happy to have him help, but he had no interest and only
> complained about the show.
> Some time ago, I was informed by Judy Reichert, that she, after hearing
> about Genes attempt to shut me down, had started a petition to show that
my
> neighbors supported my aerobatic flying, my airshow and aerobatic box. I
had
> absolutely NOTHING to do with starting or pushing this petition, it was
done
> without my knowledge. The Chetek Town Board, as well as many others,
> willingly signed this petition. Naturally I was very happy to have had
this
> done. Over the years Ive been flying aerobatics and the airshow, Ive had
> many, many people comment how much they enjoy the flying and this year on
> how many were disappointed in not having the show for the 4th. Ive
recently
> been made aware that Gene started HIS OWN petition and has been calling
all
> my neighbors himself, looking for people against my flying. Im sure he can
> find some if he really tries, but why not have a real vote among ALL the
> people of the area and see what everyone thinks. Ill be happy to make Gene
> a deal. If there is such a vote and I loose, Ill move my aerobatic flying
> elsewhere and never do another airshow in Chetek. On the other hand, if
the
> people vote to keep me flying and doing the airshow, then how about Gene
> stepping down from any and all forms of airport management and let someone
> replace him that will do the airport and the community of Chetek some good
> and quit using a city office to forward a personal vendetta.
>
>
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weeken...
--> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
Per past Chicago Mayor Richard Dailey...vote early and vote often!
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weeken...
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" <alikatz@mbay.net>
Pilot has our vote as well, Good Luck.
Jim
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Subject: Re: Yak-List: A local YAK pilot needs our HELP!!!!!!! Please vote
this weeken...
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>
> The Pilot got my vote It is up to 73% in favor.
>
> Paul Hornick
>
>
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