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1. 03:21 AM - Air compressors (Don Boardman)
2. 09:18 AM - Re: Vote to help a fellow YAK PILOT (Rick Basiliere)
3. 09:43 AM - Who Dun It? (Mike McCoy)
4. 09:54 AM - Re: Who Dun It? (Ernie)
5. 09:57 AM - Re: Who Dun It? (Brian Lloyd)
6. 11:02 AM - Re: Who Dun It? (Sam Sax)
7. 11:40 AM - Re: Who Dun It? (Janet Davidson)
8. 11:50 AM - Re: Who Dun It? (cjpilot710@aol.com)
9. 02:19 PM - Who dun it? (Barry Hancock)
10. 03:50 PM - Re: air show (Robert Mortara)
11. 04:06 PM - Re: air show (cjpilot710@aol.com)
12. 04:18 PM - Re: air show (ByronMFox@aol.com)
13. 04:26 PM - Re: air show (A. Dennis Savarese)
14. 05:56 PM - One more question (Barry Hancock)
15. 06:20 PM - Re: air show (Ernie)
16. 07:07 PM - Re: Who dun it? (Terry)
17. 07:25 PM - Re: air show (Craig Payne)
18. 07:37 PM - Re: air show (Jon Boede)
19. 10:22 PM - site registration (Barry Hancock)
20. 10:48 PM - Re: Air compressors (Jim Selby)
21. 11:07 PM - Re: Air compressors (Doug)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Don Boardman <dboardm3@twcny.rr.com>
More infor is welcome.
Yes, send me a photo of your units.
Regards,
Don B.
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| Subject: | Vote to help a fellow YAK PILOT |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rick Basiliere" <discrab@earthlink.net>
6875 votes and 88.26% pro as of this am. yes! and good luck, we lost ours
a couple of years ago. :-( Ricky B
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Schrick
Subject: Yak-List: Vote to help a fellow YAK PILOT
--> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net>
> http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1134 VOTE "YES" scroll down
left
> side to poll box
The YAK Pilot Group has showed up in FULL FORCE!!!! Great job. The pilot
(Larry Schlasinger) has been overwhelmed with OUR support and is in "AH" of
the effort this group put out over the weekend. The voting continues for one
week. Keep checking back to make sure no one does the same counter attack.
Mark Schrick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dr. Robert
Schroeder
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Vote
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dr. Robert Schroeder" <firedog@visi.com>
Please repost the address for the voting...
I was out of the country and lost it.
Thanks, Robert Schroeder
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Vote
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Barry Hancock wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
> Well, just voted this morning and it's up to 84% YES. Well done,
> gang. City Councils never cease to amaze me....
I must have missed something. What are we voting on?
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike McCoy" <mike@aircraftsales.com>
I heard that there was another CJ accident in Florida over the last day or
two. Does anyone have the details?
I have a pool going on a couple of the weaker members our group and wondered
if it was time to collect my money!
Mike McCoy
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Nice thing to place bets on.
Sorry Mike it wasnt me!
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike McCoy" <mike@aircraftsales.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Who Dun It?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike McCoy" <mike@aircraftsales.com>
>
> I heard that there was another CJ accident in Florida over the last day or
> two. Does anyone have the details?
>
> I have a pool going on a couple of the weaker members our group and
wondered
> if it was time to collect my money!
>
> Mike McCoy
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Mike McCoy wrote:
> I have a pool going on a couple of the weaker members our group and wondered
> if it was time to collect my money!
That is pretty cold Mike. What is it called to intentionally seek profit in the
misfortune of others? You and I have regularly had our differences but, at
least on my part, there was an underlying respect for your flying abilities.
Does anybody *like* you?
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sam Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
Mike,
The CJ accident (better termed - incident) you mentioned involved Rob Russo
of Miami.
I do not have all the facts but apparently, on landing long and faster than
usual due to stiff cross wind on a grass field, he was not able to stop and
hit the chain link fence.
The left wing sustained moderate damage to the leading edge skin and the
right only minor damage. Other dents and scuffs up front but nothing a good
sheet mental man can't handle. In looking at the wings, I saw no spar
damage. He did remember to shut the Mag switch off before engaging the
fence.
No human skin was damaged.
Sam Sax
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike McCoy
Subject: Yak-List: Who Dun It?
<< File: Yak-List_ Who Dun It_.txt >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike
McCoy" <mike@aircraftsales.com>
I heard that there was another CJ accident in Florida over the last day or
two. Does anyone have the details?
I have a pool going on a couple of the weaker members our group and wondered
if it was time to collect my money!
Mike McCoy
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Janet Davidson" <gbvfx@hotmail.com>
Hmmmm - I wonder what constitutes being a "weaker member"? Now you've got
me worried!
Janet
Ph: 920 232 9238
email: gbvfx@hotmail.com
>From: "Mike McCoy" <mike@aircraftsales.com>
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Yak-List: Who Dun It?
>Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:43:30 -0500
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike McCoy" <mike@aircraftsales.com>
>
>I heard that there was another CJ accident in Florida over the last day or
>two. Does anyone have the details?
>
>I have a pool going on a couple of the weaker members our group and
>wondered
>if it was time to collect my money!
>
>Mike McCoy
>
>
Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
"In the presents of the Gods, we fall short of greatness" Socrates (I think)
BC
Jim
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
I heard that there was another CJ accident in Florida over the last day
or
two. Does anyone have the details?
I have a pool going on a couple of the weaker members our group and
wondered
if it was time to collect my money!
Mike McCoy
Mike,
I'm trying to understand something here. Please help me out.
You are one of the better pilots in the group. You have more to offer
to the community than many, and are in a position to do it. Yet, all
you can muster is to wait idly by in the bushes to throw rocks on
someone who trips on the sidewalk. Why? What is it that causes you such
fits of irrational, destructive, and down right mean-spirited
behavior? I just don't get what drives a person to such hateful words.
Barry
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| Subject: | E: Yak-List:air show |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Robert Mortara" <robmortara@robinhill.com>
I have been invited to display my CJ at Pennridge air show on June 14 2003 .
They are not offering very much. I have a pdf copy of the invitation
www.robinhill.com/penn.pdf . What are most people getting paid or comped to
display their aircraft at a show. I would welcome any suggestions.
rob
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| Subject: | Re: e: Yak-List:air show |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 2/25/2003 6:51:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
robmortara@robinhill.com writes:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Robert Mortara" <robmortara@robinhill.com>
>
> I have been invited to display my CJ at Pennridge air show on June 14 2003
> .
> They are not offering very much. I have a pdf copy of the invitation
> www.robinhill.com/penn.pdf . What are most people getting paid or comped to
> display their aircraft at a show. I would welcome any suggestions.
>
> rob
>
First Rob, you better have a commercial ticket, with a current 2nd class
medical.
If you're lucky, they will give you fuel & oil, to & from your home base,
plus a room and a car. If you do any flying in the show, they pay for the
gas/oil for that also. Most of us find that great. Others who are in this
as a business, want a lot more. They believe that maintenance and insurance
costs should be charged also. What those asking prices are I don't know and
they get very upset with us who take less. Many of these shows are for
charity or other "good" causes and I feel they can keep as much of the loot
as they need.
It up to you. If the show can't handle the your price, they'll just wouldn't
invite you.
Jim
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
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| Subject: | Re: e: Yak-List:air show |
--> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
I'm happy to get 15-30 gals of fuel and a burger, but I'll prostitute myself
for less just for the fun. ...Blitz
Byron M. Fox
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
Home 415-380-0907
Cell 415-307-2405
Fax 415-380-0917
CJ-6A N221YK
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| Subject: | Re: e: Yak-List:air show |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
This is just my way of looking at it Robert and is not intended to imply you
should do likewise. If I get invited to display my aircraft at an event
that promotes aviation awareness to the surrounding community with the
proceeds of the event going to a charitable organization like Angel Flight
as it states in the letter, then regardless of compensation, I'm going to
attend. My reward is knowing that I contributed to promoting aviation and
the benefits of aviation to a community which is far more important because
of the way general aviation is looked down upon by so many uninformed
people. But as I said, that is just me.
You'll also most likely have one of the most unique airplanes there which
will garner tons of attention. That in itself will be worth it! Enjoy
yourself and have a ball talking about your CJ to young and old alike. Take
some youngster or oldster up on the wing and then sit them in the cockpit
and watch their eyes light up. Especially our forgotten heroes of WWII.
They'll remember you for the rest of their lives.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Mortara" <robmortara@robinhill.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List:air show
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Robert Mortara"
<robmortara@robinhill.com>
>
> I have been invited to display my CJ at Pennridge air show on June 14 2003
.
> They are not offering very much. I have a pdf copy of the invitation
> www.robinhill.com/penn.pdf . What are most people getting paid or comped
to
> display their aircraft at a show. I would welcome any suggestions.
>
> rob
>
>
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| Subject: | One more question |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
So McCoy, did you win your pool? Or did someone have to die for you to
collect?
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| Subject: | Re: e: Yak-List:air show |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Jim,
Can you clarify on the commercial ticket requirement. I was under the
understanding that you only need a commercial ticket for either taking
passengers, or doing commercial work like ag spraying or hauling mail etc. I
didnt think parking your plane on a ramp and getting some pro-rata fuel was
enough grounds for requiring a comercial ticket.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List:air show
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 2/25/2003 6:51:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> robmortara@robinhill.com writes:
>
>
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Robert Mortara"
<robmortara@robinhill.com>
> >
> > I have been invited to display my CJ at Pennridge air show on June 14
2003
> > .
> > They are not offering very much. I have a pdf copy of the invitation
> > www.robinhill.com/penn.pdf . What are most people getting paid or comped
to
> > display their aircraft at a show. I would welcome any suggestions.
> >
> > rob
> >
>
> First Rob, you better have a commercial ticket, with a current 2nd class
> medical.
> If you're lucky, they will give you fuel & oil, to & from your home base,
> plus a room and a car. If you do any flying in the show, they pay for the
> gas/oil for that also. Most of us find that great. Others who are in
this
> as a business, want a lot more. They believe that maintenance and
insurance
> costs should be charged also. What those asking prices are I don't know
and
> they get very upset with us who take less. Many of these shows are for
> charity or other "good" causes and I feel they can keep as much of the
loot
> as they need.
>
> It up to you. If the show can't handle the your price, they'll just
wouldn't
> invite you.
>
>
> Jim
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin 1759
> "With my shield, or on it"
> Trojan Warriors BC
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talewis@attbi.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Mike,
Your post was a monday morning shot at this pilot with no factual
information about the incident.
I don't know and obviously you don't know the complete story, except what
Sam told you .
My experience with accident investigations tells me that the complete story
will unfold much later than the initial report.
I though the idea of assuming pilot error originated with the FAA. I no
longer think that is the case.I do know that if you fly on the edge ,often
enough and long enough,you also will surely be the subject of an article in
the local paper.
I hope not,
Terry Lewis
Does anyone have the details?
>
> I have a pool going on a couple of the weaker members our group and
> wondered
> if it was time to collect my money!
>
> Mike McCoy
>
>
> Mike,
>
> I'm trying to understand something here. Please help me out.
>
> You are one of the better pilots in the group. You have more to offer
> to the community than many, and are in a position to do it. Yet, all
> you can muster is to wait idly by in the bushes to throw rocks on
> someone who trips on the sidewalk. Why? What is it that causes you such
> fits of irrational, destructive, and down right mean-spirited
> behavior? I just don't get what drives a person to such hateful words.
>
> Barry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: e: Yak-List:air show |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne <cpayne@mc.net>
Ernie,
It's the FAA you see....I remember when every guy with a spammer got
free gas at a fly-in breakfast, but then that was a long time ago.
Funny; rules on Experimentals and Homebuilt certifcation were strict
but operating restrictions were flexible, today things are turned
around.
Craig Payne
Ernie wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Jim,
>
> Can you clarify on the commercial ticket requirement. I was under the
> understanding that you only need a commercial ticket for either taking
> passengers, or doing commercial work like ag spraying or hauling mail etc. I
> didnt think parking your plane on a ramp and getting some pro-rata fuel was
> enough grounds for requiring a comercial ticket.
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List:air show
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 2/25/2003 6:51:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > robmortara@robinhill.com writes:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Robert Mortara"
> <robmortara@robinhill.com>
> > >
> > > I have been invited to display my CJ at Pennridge air show on June 14
> 2003
> > > .
> > > They are not offering very much. I have a pdf copy of the invitation
> > > www.robinhill.com/penn.pdf . What are most people getting paid or comped
> to
> > > display their aircraft at a show. I would welcome any suggestions.
> > >
> > > rob
> > >
> >
> > First Rob, you better have a commercial ticket, with a current 2nd class
> > medical.
> > If you're lucky, they will give you fuel & oil, to & from your home base,
> > plus a room and a car. If you do any flying in the show, they pay for the
> > gas/oil for that also. Most of us find that great. Others who are in
> this
> > as a business, want a lot more. They believe that maintenance and
> insurance
> > costs should be charged also. What those asking prices are I don't know
> and
> > they get very upset with us who take less. Many of these shows are for
> > charity or other "good" causes and I feel they can keep as much of the
> loot
> > as they need.
> >
> > It up to you. If the show can't handle the your price, they'll just
> wouldn't
> > invite you.
> >
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> > deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> > Benjamin Franklin 1759
> > "With my shield, or on it"
> > Trojan Warriors BC
> >
> >
>
> ================================================================
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| Subject: | Re: e: Yak-List:air show |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@zoso.email.net>
Well of course... it's only dangerous when you actually start flying it! :-)
I mean, Good God, one of these things could actually descend from the air
above and land on The People... and everyone would have to fill out More
Paperwork.
More Jaded By Every FAA Interaction,
Jon
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne <cpayne@mc.net>
>
> Ernie,
>
> It's the FAA you see....I remember when every guy with a spammer got
> free gas at a fly-in breakfast, but then that was a long time ago.
> Funny; rules on Experimentals and Homebuilt certifcation were strict but
> operating restrictions were flexible, today things are turned around.
>
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
> Ernie wrote:
>>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> Can you clarify on the commercial ticket requirement. I was under the
>> understanding that you only need a commercial ticket for either taking
>> passengers, or doing commercial work like ag spraying or hauling mail
>> etc. I didnt think parking your plane on a ramp and getting some
>> pro-rata fuel was enough grounds for requiring a comercial ticket.
>>
>> Ernie
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List:air show
>>
>> > --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>> >
>> > In a message dated 2/25/2003 6:51:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> robmortara@robinhill.com writes:
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Robert Mortara"
>> <robmortara@robinhill.com>
>> > >
>> > > I have been invited to display my CJ at Pennridge air show on June
>> 14
>> 2003
>> > > .
>> > > They are not offering very much. I have a pdf copy of the
>> invitation www.robinhill.com/penn.pdf . What are most people
>> getting paid or comped
>> to
>> > > display their aircraft at a show. I would welcome any suggestions.
>> > >
>> > > rob
>> > >
>> >
>> > First Rob, you better have a commercial ticket, with a current 2nd
>> class medical.
>> > If you're lucky, they will give you fuel & oil, to & from your home
>> base, plus a room and a car. If you do any flying in the show, they
>> pay for the gas/oil for that also. Most of us find that great.
>> Others who are in
>> this
>> > as a business, want a lot more. They believe that maintenance and
>> insurance
>> > costs should be charged also. What those asking prices are I don't
>> know
>> and
>> > they get very upset with us who take less. Many of these shows are
>> for charity or other "good" causes and I feel they can keep as much
>> of the
>> loot
>> > as they need.
>> >
>> > It up to you. If the show can't handle the your price, they'll just
>> wouldn't
>> > invite you.
>> >
>> >
>> > Jim
>> >
>> > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
>> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
>> > Benjamin Franklin
>> 1759
>> > "With my shield, or on it"
>> > Trojan Warriors BC
>> >
>> >
>>
>> ================================================================
>
>
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| Subject: | site registration |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Hi gang:
I've just updated the member registration database in each region of the
Map Rooms (go to http://www.allredstar.com/Map_RoomUSA.asp) from the
registrations we've received so far.
If you have filled out the registration form at the Recruiting Office
(http://www.allredstar.com/Recruiting_Office.asp) and are not listed on
the site, please contact me.
If you have not yet registered, please take a moment to fill out the
form (above) so you can be added to our data base. Of course, we do not
sell our emails, etc., the information is strictly there so other
members can contact you, and vice versa. Incidentally, this online data
base is exactly what many of you have been requesting...we listened, and
you now have this service available.
The site is over 70 pages and growing, check back often for updates....
Barry (OJT) Hancock
BTW, Drew is doing well...supposedly headed to a desert somewhere at
last report...but don't trust me, check CNN for the latest troop
movements (who's side are they on, anyway?).
Barry Hancock
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" <alikatz@mbay.net>
Don,
Here are more photos on the Pumps.
Jim
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From: "Don Boardman" <dboardm3@twcny.rr.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Air compressors
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> More infor is welcome.
> Yes, send me a photo of your units.
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> Don B.
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| Subject: | Re: Air compressors |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Jim, can't attach photos on the list. Gotta go off list.
Doug Sapp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Selby" <alikatz@mbay.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air compressors
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" <alikatz@mbay.net>
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> Don,
> Here are more photos on the Pumps.
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> Jim
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> From: "Don Boardman" <dboardm3@twcny.rr.com>
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> > Yes, send me a photo of your units.
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> > Don B.
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