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1. 04:59 AM - speed, weight, and engine power output (Brian Lloyd)
2. 01:34 PM - Would like to talk with Yak 18T Owners (scott.huff@aivia.aero)
3. 04:04 PM - Re: Would like to talk with Yak 18T Owners (Gus Fraser)
4. 04:34 PM - Re: Would like to talk with Yak 18T Owners (Brian Lloyd)
5. 06:52 PM - Re: speed, weight, and engine power output (Jim Griffin)
6. 07:45 PM - Re: speed, weight, and engine power output (Walt Lannon)
7. 08:04 PM - Re: speed, weight, and engine power output (cjpilot710@aol.com)
8. 08:30 PM - Re: speed, weight, and engine power output (Craig Payne)
9. 09:04 PM - Re: speed, weight, and engine power output tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, USER_IN_WHITELIST (Jim Griffin)
10. 09:15 PM - Re: speed, weight, and engine power output (Jim Griffin)
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| Subject: | speed, weight, and engine power output |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Jim Griffin wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
>
> I have never done it. Steve told me that he flew it at 175 knots. I usually
> fly it at 150 knots turning 2100 RPM and 7 to 7 1/2 Atm.
Not to be picky but do you mean 700 to 750 mm-hg? 750 mm is 29"-hg which is
darned near full throttle. That power setting works out to about 85% power
which is a lot of work for that engine. I don't see how you could get 175 kts
out of it at 100% power given you are almost flat out already and only doing 150
kts.
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Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Would like to talk with Yak 18T Owners |
--> Yak-List message posted by: scott.huff@aivia.aero
Greetings Yak fans,
My name is Scott Huff and this is my first post to the Yak forum. I've enjoyed
reading the thread digest over the last several days and I'm very impressed
with the free exchange of Yak knowledge. As a former Grumman owner, I've come
to appreciate the strength found in a group such as this.
I'm not currently a Yak owner, however I am seriously interested in purchasing
an 18T within the next 8 to 12 months. I've had the privilege of flying, on
two occasions, with Mr. Bruce Merrifield (N189AK) based in Southern
California. Bruce has been a great source of knowledge and I can't thank him
enough for allowing me to climb, sit, inspect, fly, and drool over his
beautiful 18T.
As I continue my pre-purchase research, I'd really like to talk to other 18T
owners about their aircraft. Not only would I like to gain their perspective
on operating/owning this incredible aircraft, but I would greatly appreciate
any leads when it comes time to purchasing my own. I've communicated with
several Yak importers/suppliers (in the US, UK, and Lithuania) ... but I would
really like some strong references before committing financially. There
happens to be a 18T for sale in Virgina Beach, but Bill of Sale issues and the
overall condition of the aircraft are beyond my comfort level. It is
essentially a "project" aircraft, where as I'm more interested in a turn-key
arrangement.
Any advice, contact information, or other feedback on the 18T from the
subscribers of this list would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance
for your time!
Respectfully,
Scott Huff
president - AIVIA
Aircraft Sales & Charter
Virginia Beach, VA
757.301.2927
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| Subject: | Would like to talk with Yak 18T Owners |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
Scott,
Welcome to the list. I do not know that much about the 18T apart from
experiences of a friend in England who had one. I would suggest that before
you go ahead and buy one try to get some guidance on the type of operating
limitations you will get for an 18T. You and I know the aircraft as a very
good and capable tourer that if you can fit it in it will carry it. The FAA
however may not see it that way. The last thing that you want is an aircraft
that you can only operate to and from your home field.
I know that some AN2 owners have had a really rough time using their
aircraft. That said I am not sure if this is a real issue but it is
definitely worth checking into.
As far as a YAK18T on this list:-
If its round, Russian, noisy, and feels like a WW2 aircraft, we love it
here.
Gus
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Subject: Yak-List: Would like to talk with Yak 18T Owners
--> Yak-List message posted by: scott.huff@aivia.aero
Greetings Yak fans,
My name is Scott Huff and this is my first post to the Yak forum. I've
enjoyed
reading the thread digest over the last several days and I'm very impressed
with the free exchange of Yak knowledge. As a former Grumman owner, I've
come
to appreciate the strength found in a group such as this.
I'm not currently a Yak owner, however I am seriously interested in
purchasing
an 18T within the next 8 to 12 months. I've had the privilege of flying, on
two occasions, with Mr. Bruce Merrifield (N189AK) based in Southern
California. Bruce has been a great source of knowledge and I can't thank
him
enough for allowing me to climb, sit, inspect, fly, and drool over his
beautiful 18T.
As I continue my pre-purchase research, I'd really like to talk to other 18T
owners about their aircraft. Not only would I like to gain their
perspective
on operating/owning this incredible aircraft, but I would greatly appreciate
any leads when it comes time to purchasing my own. I've communicated with
several Yak importers/suppliers (in the US, UK, and Lithuania) ... but I
would
really like some strong references before committing financially. There
happens to be a 18T for sale in Virgina Beach, but Bill of Sale issues and
the
overall condition of the aircraft are beyond my comfort level. It is
essentially a "project" aircraft, where as I'm more interested in a turn-key
arrangement.
Any advice, contact information, or other feedback on the 18T from the
subscribers of this list would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance
for your time!
Respectfully,
Scott Huff
president - AIVIA
Aircraft Sales & Charter
Virginia Beach, VA
757.301.2927
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| Subject: | Re: Would like to talk with Yak 18T Owners |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Gus Fraser wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
>
> Scott,
> Welcome to the list. I do not know that much about the 18T apart from
> experiences of a friend in England who had one. I would suggest that before
> you go ahead and buy one try to get some guidance on the type of operating
> limitations you will get for an 18T. You and I know the aircraft as a very
> good and capable tourer that if you can fit it in it will carry it. The FAA
> however may not see it that way. The last thing that you want is an aircraft
> that you can only operate to and from your home field.
The -18T gets the same LoL as our CJ's and -52s.
> I know that some AN2 owners have had a really rough time using their
> aircraft. That said I am not sure if this is a real issue but it is
> definitely worth checking into.
They have over 800hp and so have a different LoL.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: speed, weight, and engine power output |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
Hi Brian,
All of my instruments are standard US except the Manifold Pressure. I assume
the numbers are atmospheres of pressure but I really don't know what they
are. My home made POH that I got with the plane says to take off at 2350 RPM
and full throttle which is usually over 9 chinese thingys, climb at 8 Ch Th.
and cruise at 7 to 7 and a half. 9 would work out to just under 39 inches.
Other than some mods for inverted flight, I'm pretty sure the engine is
stock.I am use to 48 inches on take off in the T-28 but it has a two stage
super charger. If that is higher than this engine can generate, then the
guage must be reading something other than ATM or is mis -calibrated. I have
a lot of throttle left at 7CTs and it doesn't feel like it's working hard.
Whadduya think?
Jim Griffin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Yak-List: speed, weight, and engine power output
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> Jim Griffin wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> >
> > I have never done it. Steve told me that he flew it at 175 knots. I
usually
> > fly it at 150 knots turning 2100 RPM and 7 to 7 1/2 Atm.
>
> Not to be picky but do you mean 700 to 750 mm-hg? 750 mm is 29"-hg which
is
> darned near full throttle. That power setting works out to about 85%
power
> which is a lot of work for that engine. I don't see how you could get 175
kts
> out of it at 100% power given you are almost flat out already and only
doing 150
> kts.
>
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: speed, weight, and engine power output |
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <lannon@look.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Yak-List: speed, weight, and engine power output
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> Jim Griffin wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> >
> > I have never done it. Steve told me that he flew it at 175 knots. I
usually
> > fly it at 150 knots turning 2100 RPM and 7 to 7 1/2 Atm.
>
> Not to be picky but do you mean 700 to 750 mm-hg? 750 mm is 29"-hg which
is
> darned near full throttle. That power setting works out to about 85%
power
> which is a lot of work for that engine. I don't see how you could get 175
kts
> out of it at 100% power given you are almost flat out already and only
doing 150
> kts
Presume we are discussing indicated airspeed? At what altitude does it show
150Kts at 2100 RPM and 750mm?
What does it indicate at 3000ft ASL, 1950 RPM and 660mm? Are there any
leaks in the static system?
Sounds like fairly normal CJ performance to me.
Walt
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: speed, weight, and engine power output |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 3/14/2003 9:54:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jgriffint28@cox.net writes:
>
> Hi Brian,
> All of my instruments are standard US except the Manifold Pressure. I
> assume
> the numbers are atmospheres of pressure but I really don't know what they
> are. My home made POH that I got with the plane says to take off at 2350
> RPM
> and full throttle which is usually over 9 chinese thingys, climb at 8 Ch
> Th.
> and cruise at 7 to 7 and a half. 9 would work out to just under 39 inches.
> Other than some mods for inverted flight, I'm pretty sure the engine is
> stock.I am use to 48 inches on take off in the T-28 but it has a two stage
> super charger. If that is higher than this engine can generate, then the
> guage must be reading something other than ATM or is mis -calibrated. I
> have
> a lot of throttle left at 7CTs and it doesn't feel like it's working hard.
> Whadduya think?
> Jim Griffin
>
Well, I've just heard a new one. "Chinese Thingys" or "CTs" It's closer
than "what's its" or "whosies".
Yes, this list is always a proliferation of whatevers. Love it!!!
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
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| Subject: | Re: speed, weight, and engine power output |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne <cpayne@mc.net>
Folks have lost money betting against the performance of this aircraft.
I have flown in it with Sol and it goes pretty good.
Craig Payne
Brian Lloyd wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> Jim Griffin wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> >
> > I have never done it. Steve told me that he flew it at 175 knots. I usually
> > fly it at 150 knots turning 2100 RPM and 7 to 7 1/2 Atm.
>
> Not to be picky but do you mean 700 to 750 mm-hg? 750 mm is 29"-hg which is
> darned near full throttle. That power setting works out to about 85% power
> which is a lot of work for that engine. I don't see how you could get 175 kts
> out of it at 100% power given you are almost flat out already and only doing
150
> kts.
>
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd =================================================================
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
Hi Walt
Don't know about the leaks. That's KIAS at 3000 ft. I'll fly at your
settings and let you know.
Jim Griffin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walt Lannon" <lannon@look.ca>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: speed, weight, and engine power output
tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, USER_IN_WHITELIST
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <lannon@look.ca>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: speed, weight, and engine power output
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
> >
> > Jim Griffin wrote:
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> > >
> > > I have never done it. Steve told me that he flew it at 175 knots. I
> usually
> > > fly it at 150 knots turning 2100 RPM and 7 to 7 1/2 Atm.
> >
> > Not to be picky but do you mean 700 to 750 mm-hg? 750 mm is 29"-hg
which
> is
> > darned near full throttle. That power setting works out to about 85%
> power
> > which is a lot of work for that engine. I don't see how you could get
175
> kts
> > out of it at 100% power given you are almost flat out already and only
> doing 150
> > kts
>
> Presume we are discussing indicated airspeed? At what altitude does it
show
> 150Kts at 2100 RPM and 750mm?
> What does it indicate at 3000ft ASL, 1950 RPM and 660mm? Are there any
> leaks in the static system?
> Sounds like fairly normal CJ performance to me.
>
> Walt
>
>
> > --
> >
> > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: speed, weight, and engine power output |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
Thanks Jim, If I can't enlighten at least I can entertain.
Jim Griffin
----- Original Message -----
From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: speed, weight, and engine power output
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 3/14/2003 9:54:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> jgriffint28@cox.net writes:
>
>
> >
> > Hi Brian,
> > All of my instruments are standard US except the Manifold Pressure. I
> > assume
> > the numbers are atmospheres of pressure but I really don't know what
they
> > are. My home made POH that I got with the plane says to take off at 2350
> > RPM
> > and full throttle which is usually over 9 chinese thingys, climb at 8 Ch
> > Th.
> > and cruise at 7 to 7 and a half. 9 would work out to just under 39
inches.
> > Other than some mods for inverted flight, I'm pretty sure the engine is
> > stock.I am use to 48 inches on take off in the T-28 but it has a two
stage
> > super charger. If that is higher than this engine can generate, then the
> > guage must be reading something other than ATM or is mis -calibrated. I
> > have
> > a lot of throttle left at 7CTs and it doesn't feel like it's working
hard.
> > Whadduya think?
> > Jim Griffin
> >
>
> Well, I've just heard a new one. "Chinese Thingys" or "CTs" It's closer
> than "what's its" or "whosies".
> Yes, this list is always a proliferation of whatevers. Love it!!!
> Jim Goolsby
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin 1759
> "With my shield, or on it"
> Trojan Warriors BC
>
>
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