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1. 08:09 AM - Re: Restrictions (Michael Di Marco)
2. 08:15 AM - Re: Restrictions (Michael Di Marco)
3. 08:48 AM - Re: Restrictions (Ernie)
4. 03:30 PM - Re: Restrictions (Brian Lloyd)
5. 03:46 PM - Yak-52 Uplock Corrosion (Frank Haertlein)
6. 06:54 PM - CJ Bites Man (ByronMFox@aol.com)
7. 08:07 PM - Re: Yak-52 Uplock Corrosion (Gus Fraser)
8. 08:10 PM - Re: Yak-52 Uplock Corrosion (Walt Lannon)
9. 08:11 PM - Re: Restrictions (Richard Basiliere)
10. 08:14 PM - Re: CJ Bites Man (Richard Basiliere)
11. 08:46 PM - Re: Yak-52 Uplock Corrosion (Frank Haertlein)
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| Subject: | Re: Restrictions |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco <mgdimarco@yahoo.com>
I disagree. All that has to be done is to send letters to the old and new FSDOs
responsible for the old and new base. As you said, the AW Cert and Limitations
are tied to the airplane. That goes with the airplane wherever it is based.
If there is a statement in your limitations tieing the AW Cert to a FSDO,
get it changed. It is not required to be that way.
Mike Di Marco
China Blue
"A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net> wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by: "A.
Dennis Savarese"
It clearly states in FAA Order 8130.2D Change 3 that OL's and AC are tied
together. "....These operating limitations
are a part of the special airworthiness certificate...". Once the home base
airport changes, the OL's are effectively null and void and therefore so is
the AC.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Davis"
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Restrictions
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis"
>
>
> If they tell you that you will have to get a new Airworthiness Certificate
> with the new operating limits, tell them to show you where it says you
have
> to this. I don't believe they can do it.
>
>
> >From: Craig Payne
> >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Restrictions
> >Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:25:56 -0600
> >
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne
> >
> >Uh, gee, my CJ was certified in the post-moratorium era when there was
> >no common language. It is "Experimental-Exhibition/Air racing" with
> >fairly benign restrictions. Of course the category is the reason why I
> >race it...
> >
> >I plan on moving from the Chicago FSDO area this year to the Tampa area
> >so I need to dig out those old posts to see how others did it without
> >getting hosed by some FSDO type protecting the world against Communism.
> >
> >So did someone say that the list was useless???
> >
> >Craig Payne
> >
> >A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> > >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> > >
> > > I agree "Other" is not an Experimental classification. However it IS
a
> > > Group classification (Group IV) under Experimental Exhibition which is
> >where
> > > our CJ6's and YAK52's fall (Group III). That is what I was referring
> >to in
> > > previous posts.
> > > Dennis Savarese
> >======================================================================
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Restrictions |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco <mgdimarco@yahoo.com>
Why does your LOL list your home base? Mine doesn't. Shouldn't LOL standardization
be an issue for the YPA to take up with the administrator via the EAA or
EAAWB?
Mike
China Blue
Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd
Ernie wrote:
> I just read my ops limitations for the
> CJ and its a bit vauge. The letterhead lists the previous owner but no
> mention is made about applying for a new airworthiness certificate in case
> of change of ownership, only in the case of the new home base. All it states
> is that in the case of a change of ownership a new registration form must be
> submited.
That is right because the LoL lists the home base and if the home base changes,
you need a new LoL. That is usually accompanied by a new AC ... at least it has
with my airplanes and with those I have helped to reregister.
Normally the home base is explicitly listed in the LoL which ensures that you
have to jump through all the hoops should you change the home base. I have
heard of people getting the LoL to refer to the program letter to list the home
base. Since the program letter is updated by the owner as necessary, it would
potentially allow the owner to move the home base without having to get a new
LoL/AC issued. This would greatly simplify the life of the next owner or if you
wish to move the airplane since it would not involve the FSDO with the exception
of filing a new program letter with the local FSDO every time you make a move.
I like that idea and will pursue that approach with the MIDO and/or FSDO when it
comes time to issue the AC for The Project.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: Restrictions |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Both my LOL's clearly state the name of my homebase. If I decide to change
my homebase, then I have to submit that request to my FSDO and then they
issue me a new AW cert.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Di Marco" <mgdimarco@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Restrictions
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco <mgdimarco@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Why does your LOL list your home base? Mine doesn't. Shouldn't LOL
standardization be an issue for the YPA to take up with the administrator
via the EAA or EAAWB?
>
>
> Mike
>
> China Blue
>
>
> Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian
Lloyd
>
>
> Ernie wrote:
> > I just read my ops limitations for the
> > CJ and its a bit vauge. The letterhead lists the previous owner but no
> > mention is made about applying for a new airworthiness certificate in
case
> > of change of ownership, only in the case of the new home base. All it
states
> > is that in the case of a change of ownership a new registration form
must be
> > submited.
>
> That is right because the LoL lists the home base and if the home base
changes,
> you need a new LoL. That is usually accompanied by a new AC ... at least
it has
> with my airplanes and with those I have helped to reregister.
>
> Normally the home base is explicitly listed in the LoL which ensures that
you
> have to jump through all the hoops should you change the home base. I have
> heard of people getting the LoL to refer to the program letter to list the
home
> base. Since the program letter is updated by the owner as necessary, it
would
> potentially allow the owner to move the home base without having to get a
new
> LoL/AC issued. This would greatly simplify the life of the next owner or
if you
> wish to move the airplane since it would not involve the FSDO with the
exception
> of filing a new program letter with the local FSDO every time you make a
move.
> I like that idea and will pursue that approach with the MIDO and/or FSDO
when it
> comes time to issue the AC for The Project.
>
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Restrictions |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Ernie wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Both my LOL's clearly state the name of my homebase. If I decide to change
> my homebase, then I have to submit that request to my FSDO and then they
> issue me a new AW cert.
That is how all LoLs I have seen so far are written but there is nothing that
says specifically that you need to have the home based encoded in the LoL.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Yak-52 Uplock Corrosion |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Yaksters;
Here's a link to see how bad corrosion can get in Yak-52 uplocks.
Pictured is the internal, air operated plunger that unlocks the landing
gear. I guess it's cheap insurance to check them often because if yours
are as bad as what is pictured here you may not be able to deploy your
landing gear before too long.
http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver/uplock/uplock.html
Frank
N911OM
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--> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
Thirteen new stitches adorn my right hand. While backing off the wing of my
CJ today, my foot slipped and the edge of the handhold ripped a sizable flap
of flesh open adjacent to my little finger. So much for Saturday's
formation.
Apart from improving my coordination, has anybody come up with a way to make
the handhold a bit safer? ...Blitz
Byron M. Fox
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
415-380-0907
415-380-0917 Fax
415-307-2405 Cell
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| Subject: | Yak-52 Uplock Corrosion |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
Frank,
Thanks for the pictures. What I do is to pull one each annual and inspect.
To date I have no corrosion.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: Yak-52 Uplock Corrosion
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Yaksters;
Here's a link to see how bad corrosion can get in Yak-52 uplocks.
Pictured is the internal, air operated plunger that unlocks the landing
gear. I guess it's cheap insurance to check them often because if yours
are as bad as what is pictured here you may not be able to deploy your
landing gear before too long.
http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver/uplock/uplock.html
Frank
N911OM
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 Uplock Corrosion |
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <lannon@look.ca>
Hi Frank;
Very good information.
The 52 uplock release valve parts look a little different than the
equivalent CJ6 units, the 52 is probably a later and improved version. The
achilles heel though is the same, if the corrosion gets bad enough to sieze
the plunger that particular gear leg will not extend whether using normal or
emergency air. To put it bluntly you are screwed!
I don't know the 52 history in this regard but this was obviously a major
problem with the CJ in Chinese service as for some period of time uplock
systems were totally removed from the aircraft. Whether they were removed
from all aircraft or only at individual PLAAF units I don't know. They were
apparently reinstated in later years as all current imports seem to have
them.
A number of the CJ's currently flying in the US and Canada have no uplocks.
They rely on system pressure to keep the gear up. The gear up lights tend to
go out momentarily with "G" loading.
I have installed a complete new uplock system on one CJ at the owners
request and have another set in stock for my own. All four of the aircraft I
imported from China had the systems removed.
The only thing I can suggest to avoid a problem is dilligent use of the
water trap (snot valve), regular and frequent replacement of water filters,
keeping a little air tool oil in the system and periodic disassembly of the
system components for cleaning & inspection etc.
On another subject can anyone advise whether the Yak 52 flap is structurally
and operationally the same as the CJ flap and what is the published flap
extend speed limit for the 52.
Thanks;
Walt
- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Yak-52 Uplock Corrosion
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Yaksters;
> Here's a link to see how bad corrosion can get in Yak-52 uplocks.
> Pictured is the internal, air operated plunger that unlocks the landing
> gear. I guess it's cheap insurance to check them often because if yours
> are as bad as what is pictured here you may not be able to deploy your
> landing gear before too long.
> http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver/uplock/uplock.html
>
> Frank
> N911OM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Restrictions |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
I know the ops specs on my Sukhoi have no "homebase" and no
restrictions. They are the originals that were issued to the first
owner, I'm the 3d. Nothing anywhere that anything has to be added,
changed, or whatever at anytime. I could fax to anyone that would like.
The Airworthiness cert is original (pretty faded now) 1993. They were
issued in Fla when Pompano was in business. Whatever I can do to help.
Rick
>>> brian@lloyd.com 03/21/03 04:30PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Ernie wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Both my LOL's clearly state the name of my homebase. If I decide to
change
> my homebase, then I have to submit that request to my FSDO and then
they
> issue me a new AW cert.
That is how all LoLs I have seen so far are written but there is
nothing that
says specifically that you need to have the home based encoded in the
LoL.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite
201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Bites Man |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
Wear gloves? I do. You can get the Nomex ones at Army Surplus stores.
Rick
>>> ByronMFox@aol.com 03/21/03 07:53PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
Thirteen new stitches adorn my right hand. While backing off the wing
of my
CJ today, my foot slipped and the edge of the handhold ripped a sizable
flap
of flesh open adjacent to my little finger. So much for Saturday's
formation.
Apart from improving my coordination, has anybody come up with a way to
make
the handhold a bit safer? ...Blitz
Byron M. Fox
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
415-380-0907
415-380-0917 Fax
415-307-2405 Cell
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| Subject: | Yak-52 Uplock Corrosion |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Gus
You said that you pull an uplock each annual and thus far have had no
corrosion. I wonder how you are able to achieve that? Given that water
WILL get into the system how do you keep parts from getting corroded? Do
you use a special oil?
Best Regards!
Frank
N911OM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gus Fraser
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak-52 Uplock Corrosion
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
Frank,
Thanks for the pictures. What I do is to pull one each annual and
inspect. To date I have no corrosion.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: Yak-52 Uplock Corrosion
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Yaksters;
Here's a link to see how bad corrosion can get in Yak-52 uplocks.
Pictured is the internal, air operated plunger that unlocks the landing
gear. I guess it's cheap insurance to check them often because if yours
are as bad as what is pictured here you may not be able to deploy your
landing gear before too long.
http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver/uplock/uplock.html
Frank
N911OM
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