---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/29/03: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:58 AM - Re: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? (Craig Payne) 2. 06:41 AM - Re: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? (Ernie) 3. 07:32 AM - Re: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? (Ray P. Stallings) 4. 08:35 AM - Re: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? (Jim Selby) 5. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? (Jim Selby) 6. 09:13 AM - Re: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? (Mark Schrick) 7. 09:52 AM - Wings Over Williston (Ernie) 8. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? (Doug) 9. 11:21 AM - Re: Re: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? (Mark Schrick) 10. 01:07 PM - Re: Re: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? (E R) 11. 02:04 PM - Re: Vote to help a fellow YAK PILOT (dabear) 12. 02:25 PM - Business and Pleasure (Craig Payne) 13. 02:48 PM - Vote to help a fellow YAK PILOT (Larry Schlasinger at MT Propeller booth at SnF) (Mark Schrick) 14. 02:59 PM - Business and Pleasure (Andrew Zheng issue) (Mark Schrick) 15. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: Thanks for help (Jim Ivey) 16. 06:52 PM - Conversion to Hydraulic operation (Frank Haertlein) 17. 07:05 PM - Vote to help a fellow YAK PILOT (Larry Schlasinger response to YPA members) Great Job GUYS!!!!!!!! (Mark Schrick) 18. 07:28 PM - Re: Conversion to Hydraulic operation (cjpilot710@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:54 AM PST US From: Craig Payne Subject: Re: Yak-List: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? --> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne Listers, We have been this route before and this list is NOT the place to air business or personal grievances. See the monthly guidelines that Matt Dralle publishes. Agreed? Craig Payne Jim Selby wrote: > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" > > If you deal with Andrew and Jennifer always keep a large jar of Vasoline > with you. > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ray Stallings > To: Yak-List@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ray Stallings" > > > Well, if "Honest Andrew" is finally going to settle his debts, he owes me an > entire tail assembly (including elevators and rudder), an oil cooler, and an > operable ADI. Don't hold your breath Mr. Selby, he promised he would make > it right for me over 3 years ago. I never heard from him again. If anyone > on this list has purchased an airplane from him, check it out VERY,VERY > carefully. You have been warned! > > Ray Stallings ========================================================= ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:34 AM PST US From: "Ernie" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" Maybe a YPA approved vendor list and complaint board on the YPA website could help alleviate the problem here and also let people vent their frustrations and also warn the rest of us of unscrupulous business practices. Ernie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? > --> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne > > Listers, > > We have been this route before and this list is NOT the place to air > business or personal grievances. See the monthly guidelines that Matt > Dralle publishes. > > Agreed? > > Craig Payne > > Jim Selby wrote: > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" > > > > If you deal with Andrew and Jennifer always keep a large jar of Vasoline > > with you. > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ray Stallings > > To: Yak-List@matronics.com > > Subject: Yak-List: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ray Stallings" > > > > > > Well, if "Honest Andrew" is finally going to settle his debts, he owes me an > > entire tail assembly (including elevators and rudder), an oil cooler, and an > > operable ADI. Don't hold your breath Mr. Selby, he promised he would make > > it right for me over 3 years ago. I never heard from him again. If anyone > > on this list has purchased an airplane from him, check it out VERY,VERY > > carefully. You have been warned! > > > > Ray Stallings > ========================================================= > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:19 AM PST US From: "Ray P. Stallings" Subject: Yak-List: Re: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ray P. Stallings" >We have been this route before and this list is NOT the place to air >business or personal grievances. See the monthly guidelines that Matt >Dralle publishes. >Agreed? Yes Craig, I agree. On the other hand, it should also not be a place for "Honest Andrew" to post thinly-veiled advertisements for his junk and to troll for fresh, unsuspecting buyers. Ray ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:47 AM PST US From: "Jim Selby" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" Ernie, That sounds great.. I think people should know who to deal with and who to stay away from... The prices might be right but his advertisement is " FALSE " People supporting this guy should walk away, they will be burnt. I told another gentleman who is very well known to the list, he flew in to see us and asked if we would be upset if he brought in CJ's, we said ' NO " but when he mentioned he was dealing with " Honest Andrew " we tried to set the record straight with him. I also told him if he wants CJ's, there's a number of us who can get planes, you're not making money, you're supporting this man who has " BURNT " a lot of people. He might be bringing nice planes in now, Hell, he can, he's burnt enough of us to afford to do it.. I'm done...... Have fun at Sun & Fun guys..... Be safe. Jr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernie" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" > > Maybe a YPA approved vendor list and complaint board on the YPA website > could help alleviate the problem here and also let people vent their > frustrations and also warn the rest of us of unscrupulous business > practices. > > Ernie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Payne" > To: > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne > > > > Listers, > > > > We have been this route before and this list is NOT the place to air > > business or personal grievances. See the monthly guidelines that Matt > > Dralle publishes. > > > > Agreed? > > > > Craig Payne > > > > Jim Selby wrote: > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" > > > > > > If you deal with Andrew and Jennifer always keep a large jar of Vasoline > > > with you. > > > Jim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ray Stallings > > > To: Yak-List@matronics.com > > > Subject: Yak-List: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ray Stallings" > > > > > > > > > Well, if "Honest Andrew" is finally going to settle his debts, he owes > me an > > > entire tail assembly (including elevators and rudder), an oil cooler, > and an > > > operable ADI. Don't hold your breath Mr. Selby, he promised he would > make > > > it right for me over 3 years ago. I never heard from him again. If > anyone > > > on this list has purchased an airplane from him, check it out VERY,VERY > > > carefully. You have been warned! > > > > > > Ray Stallings > > ========================================================= > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:08 AM PST US From: "Jim Selby" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" Amen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray P. Stallings" Subject: Yak-List: Re: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ray P. Stallings" > > >We have been this route before and this list is NOT the place to air > >business or personal grievances. See the monthly guidelines that Matt > >Dralle publishes. > > >Agreed? > > Yes Craig, I agree. On the other hand, it should also not be a place for > "Honest Andrew" to post thinly-veiled advertisements for his junk and to > troll for fresh, unsuspecting buyers. > > Ray > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:34 AM PST US From: "Mark Schrick" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" Ernie, That is a great idea. It could help eliminate issue that some members might be happening in our little community. But what guidelines are voted on and what proof is needed? Hear say would not work and rumors and not productive. If people can prove their case, then action should be express to the individual or company in written form of the issue and ask for a response. The YPA is not a court but we do have power. How we use the power is the most important tool........ Hard subject.....wish that the individuals would do the right thing in this case and pay back if owed. My 2 cents.... -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernie Subject: Re: Yak-List: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" Maybe a YPA approved vendor list and complaint board on the YPA website could help alleviate the problem here and also let people vent their frustrations and also warn the rest of us of unscrupulous business practices. Ernie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? > --> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne > > Listers, > > We have been this route before and this list is NOT the place to air > business or personal grievances. See the monthly guidelines that Matt > Dralle publishes. > > Agreed? > > Craig Payne > > Jim Selby wrote: > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" > > > > If you deal with Andrew and Jennifer always keep a large jar of Vasoline > > with you. > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ray Stallings > > To: Yak-List@matronics.com > > Subject: Yak-List: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ray Stallings" > > > > > > Well, if "Honest Andrew" is finally going to settle his debts, he owes me an > > entire tail assembly (including elevators and rudder), an oil cooler, and an > > operable ADI. Don't hold your breath Mr. Selby, he promised he would make > > it right for me over 3 years ago. I never heard from him again. If anyone > > on this list has purchased an airplane from him, check it out VERY,VERY > > carefully. You have been warned! > > > > Ray Stallings > ========================================================= > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:01 AM PST US From: "Ernie" Subject: Yak-List: Wings Over Williston --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" Have any of the Florida flyers heard about the Wings Over Williston Show the weekend after S&F? I static displayed my jet there last year, nice little event. I was wondering if they have contacted anyone yet about showing our planes there. Last year they had paid the T-6 guys for a Lame missing man fly-by and they had limited funds. They gave me fuel a car and a room just for displaying. I even got to hob nob with Patty WagStaff at the party they had for the performers. Let me know if anyone is interested going, I just fired off an email to them. Ernie ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:06 AM PST US From: "Doug" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" Craig wrote: >We have been this route before and this list is NOT the >place to air business or personal grievances. See the >monthly guidelines that Matt publishes. Craig, I disagree, and my comments ARE NOT pointed just at the "honest Andrew" thing alone because these things, once exposed to the harsh light of day and are circulated through out the community as this matter has been, seem to work themselves out. My comments are more pointed at your attempt to hinder our ability to weed out the crap from the good stuff by not being able to post these problems on the list. Any yes I have read Matt's guidelines, so I don't need to receive set via email. The list is a great means for us to communicate our needs, questions, and problems with owning Yak and CJ aircraft. This current topic falls squarely under those headings. If messages need to be conveyed which could ultimately effect our safety OR our wallets we all should insist on having the ability to post and read this type of message. To not be able to post in this manner will ultimately effect us all. I firmly believe that to not be able to convey your lack of satisfaction with a given product or service does everyone within the community a huge disservice. However, rather you slander anyone is entirely up to you, we are all big boys (and girls), and are full accountable for our words. The balance between good business and bad product or broken promises, can only be achieved by communication between us all. However having said all this, we should all exhaust every possible avenue in an effort to solve the problem before posting a negative message. The application of some common sense will go a long way here. Always Yakin, Doug Sapp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray P. Stallings" Subject: Yak-List: Re: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ray P. Stallings" > > >We have been this route before and this list is NOT the place to air > >business or personal grievances. See the monthly guidelines that Matt > >Dralle publishes. > > >Agreed? > > Yes Craig, I agree. On the other hand, it should also not be a place for > "Honest Andrew" to post thinly-veiled advertisements for his junk and to > troll for fresh, unsuspecting buyers. > > Ray > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:21:03 AM PST US From: "Mark Schrick" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" Great comment and something we should all think about. I personally want to know if something is UNSAFE, BROKEN, DANGEROUS or poor business practice. If we don't get into name calling and post only the facts this should very well be the avenue the YPA should take. Great suggestions in a free country. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" Craig wrote: >We have been this route before and this list is NOT the >place to air business or personal grievances. See the >monthly guidelines that Matt publishes. Craig, I disagree, and my comments ARE NOT pointed just at the "honest Andrew" thing alone because these things, once exposed to the harsh light of day and are circulated through out the community as this matter has been, seem to work themselves out. My comments are more pointed at your attempt to hinder our ability to weed out the crap from the good stuff by not being able to post these problems on the list. Any yes I have read Matt's guidelines, so I don't need to receive set via email. The list is a great means for us to communicate our needs, questions, and problems with owning Yak and CJ aircraft. This current topic falls squarely under those headings. If messages need to be conveyed which could ultimately effect our safety OR our wallets we all should insist on having the ability to post and read this type of message. To not be able to post in this manner will ultimately effect us all. I firmly believe that to not be able to convey your lack of satisfaction with a given product or service does everyone within the community a huge disservice. However, rather you slander anyone is entirely up to you, we are all big boys (and girls), and are full accountable for our words. The balance between good business and bad product or broken promises, can only be achieved by communication between us all. However having said all this, we should all exhaust every possible avenue in an effort to solve the problem before posting a negative message. The application of some common sense will go a long way here. Always Yakin, Doug Sapp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray P. Stallings" Subject: Yak-List: Re: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ray P. Stallings" > > >We have been this route before and this list is NOT the place to air > >business or personal grievances. See the monthly guidelines that Matt > >Dralle publishes. > > >Agreed? > > Yes Craig, I agree. On the other hand, it should also not be a place for > "Honest Andrew" to post thinly-veiled advertisements for his junk and to > troll for fresh, unsuspecting buyers. > > Ray > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:52 PM PST US From: E R Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? --> Yak-List message posted by: E R Well said, Mr. Schrick. I sure wish a friendly stranger would have pre-warned me about doing business with a certain aviation "business" in Florida. Would have saved me tons of heartache and thousands of dollars by knowing a few facts and hearing about someone else's experience. Mark Schrick wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" Great comment and something we should all think about. I personally want to know if something is UNSAFE, BROKEN, DANGEROUS or poor business practice. If we don't get into name calling and post only the facts this should very well be the avenue the YPA should take. Great suggestions in a free country. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" Craig wrote: >We have been this route before and this list is NOT the >place to air business or personal grievances. See the >monthly guidelines that Matt publishes. Craig, I disagree, and my comments ARE NOT pointed just at the "honest Andrew" thing alone because these things, once exposed to the harsh light of day and are circulated through out the community as this matter has been, seem to work themselves out. My comments are more pointed at your attempt to hinder our ability to weed out the crap from the good stuff by not being able to post these problems on the list. Any yes I have read Matt's guidelines, so I don't need to receive set via email. The list is a great means for us to communicate our needs, questions, and problems with owning Yak and CJ aircraft. This current topic falls squarely under those headings. If messages need to be conveyed which could ultimately effect our safety OR our wallets we all should insist on having the ability to post and read this type of message. To not be able to post in this manner will ultimately effect us all. I firmly believe that to not be able to convey your lack of satisfaction with a given product or service does everyone within the community a huge disservice. However, rather you slander anyone is entirely up to you, we are all big boys (and girls), and are full accountable for our words. The balance between good business and bad product or broken promises, can only be achieved by communication between us all. However having said all this, we should all exhaust every possible avenue in an effort to solve the problem before posting a negative message. The application of some common sense will go a long way here. Always Yakin, Doug Sapp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray P. Stallings" Subject: Yak-List: Re: Honest Andrew wants to come clean? > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ray P. Stallings" > > >We have been this route before and this list is NOT the place to air > >business or personal grievances. See the monthly guidelines that Matt > >Dralle publishes. > > >Agreed? > > Yes Craig, I agree. On the other hand, it should also not be a place for > "Honest Andrew" to post thinly-veiled advertisements for his junk and to > troll for fresh, unsuspecting buyers. > > Ray > > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:11 PM PST US From: "dabear" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Vote to help a fellow YAK PILOT --> Yak-List message posted by: "dabear" What ever happened to this. Did he get to keep his box? Regards, Al DeVere ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Schrick" Subject: Yak-List: Vote to help a fellow YAK PILOT > --> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Schrick > > > http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1134 VOTE "YES" scroll down > left > > side to poll box > > The YAK Pilot Group has showed up in FULL FORCE!!!! Great job. The pilot > (Larry Schlasinger) has been overwhelmed with OUR support and is in "AH" of > the effort this group put out over the weekend. The voting continues for one > week. Keep checking back to make sure no one does the same counter attack. > > Mark Schrick > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dr. Robert > Schroeder > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Vote > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Dr. Robert Schroeder" > > Please repost the address for the voting... > I was out of the country and lost it. > Thanks, Robert Schroeder > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Vote > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd > > Barry Hancock wrote: > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock > > > > Well, just voted this morning and it's up to 84% YES. Well done, > > gang. City Councils never cease to amaze me.... > > I must have missed something. What are we voting on? > -- > > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax > > ==== > ==== > ==== > ==== > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:08 PM PST US From: Craig Payne Subject: Yak-List: Business and Pleasure --> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne Doug, and All, I do respect your opinions as I have have either met you personally, done business with you or know of your reputation by word-of-mouth. I'm not looking to bad mouth anyone although I'm sorely tempted at times. Yes, the "Yak" community needs a Better Business Bureau. As in other experimental A/C categories, we do not have Big Brother to watch over us, and neither do we want him. What I was saying is that this list is not the place. A little history: the EAA has seen many designs, designers and "operators" of questionable competence and reputation over the years. However, the EAA could not act as policeman; the markets and the courts did that. There is a fine line between incompetence, ignorance and dishonesty. Look at our Big Business CEO's if you doubt my words. In my lifetime, numerous new designs appeared at Oshkosh, some were unsafe to even be parked in the Fly Market, some were designed by brilliant people who were poor business people....the entire rainbow of human frailty. As an Org, the EAA never took negative positions that were not based on demonstrated fact and they published same. What I might suggest is a forum somewhat like Ebay Feedback, where negative feedback could be reputed by those falsely accused or, resolved through mediation. Each participant in a business transaction could post such feedback and the "score" maintained for all to see, backed with the submitter's name and quote. Any other suggestions that might help the cause while preserving an air of civility on This list? Craig Payne > Craig, > I disagree, and my comments ARE NOT pointed just at the "honest Andrew" > thing alone because these things, once exposed to the harsh light of day and > are circulated through out the community as this matter has been, seem to > work themselves out. My comments are more pointed at your attempt to hinder > our ability to weed out the crap from the good stuff by not being able to > post these problems on the list. >... >... > The balance between good business and bad product or broken promises, can > only be achieved by communication between us all. However having said all > this, we should all exhaust every possible avenue in an effort to solve the > problem before posting a negative message. The application of some common > sense will go a long way here. > > Always Yakin, > Doug Sapp ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:14 PM PST US From: "Mark Schrick" Subject: Yak-List: Vote to help a fellow YAK PILOT (Larry Schlasinger at MT Propeller booth at SnF) --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" I sent him an email today for a follow up. Larry will be at the MT Propeller Booth a SnF. We should ALL STOP BY and tell him what we all did. I know they had to give that box to him after all the great work the YPA and this news group did. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dabear Subject: Re: Yak-List: Vote to help a fellow YAK PILOT --> Yak-List message posted by: "dabear" What ever happened to this. Did he get to keep his box? Regards, Al DeVere ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Schrick" Subject: Yak-List: Vote to help a fellow YAK PILOT > --> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Schrick > > > http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1134 VOTE "YES" scroll down > left > > side to poll box > > The YAK Pilot Group has showed up in FULL FORCE!!!! Great job. The pilot > (Larry Schlasinger) has been overwhelmed with OUR support and is in "AH" of > the effort this group put out over the weekend. The voting continues for one > week. Keep checking back to make sure no one does the same counter attack. > > Mark Schrick > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dr. Robert > Schroeder > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Vote > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Dr. Robert Schroeder" > > Please repost the address for the voting... > I was out of the country and lost it. > Thanks, Robert Schroeder > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Vote > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd > > Barry Hancock wrote: > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock > > > > Well, just voted this morning and it's up to 84% YES. Well done, > > gang. City Councils never cease to amaze me.... > > I must have missed something. What are we voting on? > -- > > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax > > ==== > ==== > ==== > ==== > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:28 PM PST US From: "Mark Schrick" Subject: Yak-List: Business and Pleasure (Andrew Zheng issue) --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" Craig, I believe that we are all saying the same thing. We want to be informed, it is how we relay that information is in question and needs to be determined. Whatever the means we choose as a group to relay this information it is important that it is fact based and not hear-say. Facts go much further than finger pointing. As for Andrew Zheng's issue, I also heard and saw actual figures of what was owed. It was enough to purchase two CJ's at RETAIL PRICE. I would go nuts for $100 let alone the amount disputed here. It is true that it is easier to hide from the court system in Canada than here in USA. I just hoping that it can be resolved and moved forward with honest, human compassion. This is all anyone is asking for....... Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Craig Payne Subject: Yak-List: Business and Pleasure --> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne Doug, and All, I do respect your opinions as I have have either met you personally, done business with you or know of your reputation by word-of-mouth. I'm not looking to bad mouth anyone although I'm sorely tempted at times. Yes, the "Yak" community needs a Better Business Bureau. As in other experimental A/C categories, we do not have Big Brother to watch over us, and neither do we want him. What I was saying is that this list is not the place. A little history: the EAA has seen many designs, designers and "operators" of questionable competence and reputation over the years. However, the EAA could not act as policeman; the markets and the courts did that. There is a fine line between incompetence, ignorance and dishonesty. Look at our Big Business CEO's if you doubt my words. In my lifetime, numerous new designs appeared at Oshkosh, some were unsafe to even be parked in the Fly Market, some were designed by brilliant people who were poor business people....the entire rainbow of human frailty. As an Org, the EAA never took negative positions that were not based on demonstrated fact and they published same. What I might suggest is a forum somewhat like Ebay Feedback, where negative feedback could be reputed by those falsely accused or, resolved through mediation. Each participant in a business transaction could post such feedback and the "score" maintained for all to see, backed with the submitter's name and quote. Any other suggestions that might help the cause while preserving an air of civility on This list? Craig Payne > Craig, > I disagree, and my comments ARE NOT pointed just at the "honest Andrew" > thing alone because these things, once exposed to the harsh light of day and > are circulated through out the community as this matter has been, seem to > work themselves out. My comments are more pointed at your attempt to hinder > our ability to weed out the crap from the good stuff by not being able to > post these problems on the list. >... >... > The balance between good business and bad product or broken promises, can > only be achieved by communication between us all. However having said all > this, we should all exhaust every possible avenue in an effort to solve the > problem before posting a negative message. The application of some common > sense will go a long way here. > > Always Yakin, > Doug Sapp ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:59 PM PST US From: Jim Ivey Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Thanks for help --> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey Andrew: You may not want to ship an airframe stripped of paint in bare aluminum across the ocean. The fastest cargo I've seen from China is about two weeks at sea to our West Coast. The results of this voyage may end up being a quintessential example of why they apply protective coatings to the airframe in the first place. Jim Ivey Andrew Zheng (China) wrote: >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" > >I am very appreciate all of you advices me the painting strip information. It is really help me to know how to do the CJ's painting job here. Because I know all our people don't like Chinese poor paints and the painting job in our side are expensive. The strip job almost cost half the painting price.I think if I can strip the old paints here, it will be reduce the cost for our people over there. The labors here is better than ours. >I like to do the CJ business better and better and will learn more things from all of you. >Thanks again >Andrew from China > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:57 PM PST US From: "Frank Haertlein" Subject: Yak-List: Conversion to Hydraulic operation --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" Yakers; I'm thinking of using a "Marine" type grease which repels water and protects against corrosion in my air-system components. Anyone have any thoughts on the proper grease to use in the gear actuators, uplocks, flap actuators and other system components? Also, I know the "snot valve" takes care of a lot of moisture but some water still gets into the system. As I'm sure most are aware, it can cause bad corrosion if the system isn't maintained on a regular basis. So then this begs the question......."what about installing a "dryer" or "desiccant" system somewhere downstream of the snot valve? Maybe make it into a canister type arrangement that can easily be replaced or out gassed at regular intervals? In looking at my existing air operated system, I'm thinking it may not be too difficult to implement a hydraulically operated system for everything except engine starting and maybe braking. Anyone ever given much thought to this for the YAK-52? Pros-Cons? Frank N911OM ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:23 PM PST US From: "Mark Schrick" Subject: Yak-List: Vote to help a fellow YAK PILOT (Larry Schlasinger response to YPA members) Great Job GUYS!!!!!!!! --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" -----Original Message----- From: Larry Schlasinger [mailto:mtprop@hotmail.com] Subject: Re: FW: Yak-List: Vote to help a fellow YAK PILOT Hi Mark, Thanks to you guys I won the poll 6000:800. Never the less, I still have to come before th town council on the 8th of April and I finally get my chance to question the airport manager, Gene Buffington. I expect that this will show exactly what kind of guy he is and his total lack of any qualifications and hopefully then I'll get my box back..I'll keep you all posted and thanks again so much for taking the time to help. For all of you I'll be at Lakeland with either MT Propeller or Aviat aircraft and hope anyone there will stop by and say hi. Best always Larry >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dabear >Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 2:01 PM >To: yak-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Vote to help a fellow YAK PILOT > > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "dabear" > >What ever happened to this. Did he get to keep his box? > >Regards, > >Al DeVere > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Schrick" >To: >Subject: Yak-List: Vote to help a fellow YAK PILOT > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Schrick > > > > > http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1134 VOTE "YES" >scroll down > > left > > > side to poll box > > > > The YAK Pilot Group has showed up in FULL FORCE!!!! Great job. The >pilot > > (Larry Schlasinger) has been overwhelmed with OUR support and is >in "AH" of > > the effort this group put out over the weekend. The voting >continues for one > > week. Keep checking back to make sure no one does the same counter >attack. > > > > Mark Schrick > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dr. >Robert > > Schroeder > > To: yak-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Vote > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Dr. Robert Schroeder" > > > > > Please repost the address for the voting... > > I was out of the country and lost it. > > Thanks, Robert Schroeder > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian >Lloyd > > To: yak-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Vote > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd > > > > Barry Hancock wrote: > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock > > > > > > > Well, just voted this morning and it's up to 84% YES. Well >done, > > > gang. City Councils never cease to amaze me.... > > > > I must have missed something. What are we voting on? > > -- > > > > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, >Suite 201 > > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 > > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax > > > > >==== > > >==== > > >==== > > >==== > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:40 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Conversion to Hydraulic operation --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com In a message dated 3/29/2003 9:54:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, yak52driver@earthlink.net writes: > Yakers; > I'm thinking of using a "Marine" type grease which repels water and > protects against corrosion in my air-system components. Anyone have any > thoughts on the proper grease to use in the gear actuators, uplocks, > flap actuators and other system components? > > Also, I know the "snot valve" takes care of a lot of moisture but some > water still gets into the system. As I'm sure most are aware, it can > cause bad corrosion if the system isn't maintained on a regular basis. > So then this begs the question......."what about installing a "dryer" or > "desiccant" system somewhere downstream of the snot valve? Maybe make it > into a canister type arrangement that can easily be replaced or out > gassed at regular intervals? > > > In looking at my existing air operated system, I'm thinking it may not > be too difficult to implement a hydraulically operated system for > everything except engine starting and maybe braking. Anyone ever given > much thought to this for the YAK-52? Pros-Cons? > Anybody who knows me, knows I complained a lot about my flap and gear valves rusting up. Also my dryer, corroded to the point of holes developing. Part of the problem I believe now is the type of desiccant I used. It was purple or deep blue when dry and crystal like when absorbed with water. I used air tools oils or compressor oil in the system on a regular bases. It did help. I had a local machine shop build a dryer body out of stainless steel and I went to using the desiccant that came in with some Russian parts I bought. When it gets wet, I "dry it out" by putting it in the microway for a couple minutes. Seem to work. I have not had a flap or gear valve rust up in some time. I also use some of the marine greases in my emergency shuttle valves, check valves, and the QS1 and QS2 valves. They worked very well. I used them in my flap and gear valves, but they didn't stop the rust from forming on the steel face of the those valves. WD40 will displace water, but it does not last long and is not the greatest as a lubricant. Stick with the air. You'll get use to the idiocies of air and get to fly you airplane. Keep it clean, dry and oiled, and she'll work ever bit as good as hydraulics. And went she leaks, it don't mess up the floor of you hangar. Jim Goolsby "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" Benjamin Franklin 1759 "With my shield, or on it" Trojan Warriors BC