---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/30/03: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:57 AM - Re: Conversion to Hydraulic operation (Gus Fraser) 2. 06:31 AM - Re: Conversion to Hydraulic operation (Ernie) 3. 07:18 AM - Propeller distributor tube (joe h) 4. 09:25 AM - Re: Conversion to Hydraulic operation (D Zeman) 5. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Conversion to Hydraulic operation (Walt Fricke) 6. 11:11 AM - Re: Conversion to Hydraulic operation (Doug) 7. 03:36 PM - Re: Conversion to Hydraulic operation (Craig Payne) 8. 03:44 PM - Your Reporter Mr. Peter Arnitt (cjpilot710@aol.com) 9. 07:30 PM - Re: Conversion to Hydraulic operation (Ernie) 10. 09:23 PM - Off to S&F (cjpilot710@aol.com) 11. 09:26 PM - Re: Propeller distributor tube (Rick Basiliere) 12. 10:34 PM - Re: Off to S&F (Jim Selby) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:29 AM PST US From: Gus Fraser Subject: RE: Yak-List: Conversion to Hydraulic operation --> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser I agree Jim, the only thing I would also do is remove, drain, dry, relubricate the air bottles at annual. I put about 8oz of pneumatic oil. It is a pain to do but well worth it. Gus -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Conversion to Hydraulic operation --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com In a message dated 3/29/2003 9:54:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, yak52driver@earthlink.net writes: > Yakers; > I'm thinking of using a "Marine" type grease which repels water and > protects against corrosion in my air-system components. Anyone have any > thoughts on the proper grease to use in the gear actuators, uplocks, > flap actuators and other system components? > > Also, I know the "snot valve" takes care of a lot of moisture but some > water still gets into the system. As I'm sure most are aware, it can > cause bad corrosion if the system isn't maintained on a regular basis. > So then this begs the question......."what about installing a "dryer" or > "desiccant" system somewhere downstream of the snot valve? Maybe make it > into a canister type arrangement that can easily be replaced or out > gassed at regular intervals? > > > In looking at my existing air operated system, I'm thinking it may not > be too difficult to implement a hydraulically operated system for > everything except engine starting and maybe braking. Anyone ever given > much thought to this for the YAK-52? Pros-Cons? > Anybody who knows me, knows I complained a lot about my flap and gear valves rusting up. Also my dryer, corroded to the point of holes developing. Part of the problem I believe now is the type of desiccant I used. It was purple or deep blue when dry and crystal like when absorbed with water. I used air tools oils or compressor oil in the system on a regular bases. It did help. I had a local machine shop build a dryer body out of stainless steel and I went to using the desiccant that came in with some Russian parts I bought. When it gets wet, I "dry it out" by putting it in the microway for a couple minutes. Seem to work. I have not had a flap or gear valve rust up in some time. I also use some of the marine greases in my emergency shuttle valves, check valves, and the QS1 and QS2 valves. They worked very well. I used them in my flap and gear valves, but they didn't stop the rust from forming on the steel face of the those valves. WD40 will displace water, but it does not last long and is not the greatest as a lubricant. Stick with the air. You'll get use to the idiocies of air and get to fly you airplane. Keep it clean, dry and oiled, and she'll work ever bit as good as hydraulics. And went she leaks, it don't mess up the floor of you hangar. Jim Goolsby "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" Benjamin Franklin 1759 "With my shield, or on it" Trojan Warriors BC ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:38 AM PST US From: "Ernie" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Conversion to Hydraulic operation --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" I just did the annual on my plane and removed the bottom plug from the main air bottle, not a drop of water came out, it was bone dry. I guess the existing dessicant system is sufficient if it is working properly. I drain my snot valve after each flight, Occasionally I drain the under belly valve also, but I rarely get any mositure out of it. Ernie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus Fraser" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Conversion to Hydraulic operation > --> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser > > I agree Jim, the only thing I would also do is remove, drain, dry, > relubricate the air bottles at annual. I put about 8oz of pneumatic oil. It > is a pain to do but well worth it. > > Gus > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > cjpilot710@aol.com > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Conversion to Hydraulic operation > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com > > In a message dated 3/29/2003 9:54:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, > yak52driver@earthlink.net writes: > > > > Yakers; > > I'm thinking of using a "Marine" type grease which repels water and > > protects against corrosion in my air-system components. Anyone have any > > thoughts on the proper grease to use in the gear actuators, uplocks, > > flap actuators and other system components? > > > > Also, I know the "snot valve" takes care of a lot of moisture but some > > water still gets into the system. As I'm sure most are aware, it can > > cause bad corrosion if the system isn't maintained on a regular basis. > > So then this begs the question......."what about installing a "dryer" or > > "desiccant" system somewhere downstream of the snot valve? Maybe make it > > into a canister type arrangement that can easily be replaced or out > > gassed at regular intervals? > > > > > > In looking at my existing air operated system, I'm thinking it may not > > be too difficult to implement a hydraulically operated system for > > everything except engine starting and maybe braking. Anyone ever given > > much thought to this for the YAK-52? Pros-Cons? > > > > Anybody who knows me, knows I complained a lot about my flap and gear valves > rusting up. Also my dryer, corroded to the point of holes developing. Part > of the problem I believe now is the type of desiccant I used. It was purple > or deep blue when dry and crystal like when absorbed with water. I used air > tools oils or compressor oil in the system on a regular bases. It did help. > I had a local machine shop build a dryer body out of stainless steel and I > went to using the desiccant that came in with some Russian parts I bought. > When it gets wet, I "dry it out" by putting it in the microway for a couple > minutes. Seem to work. I have not had a flap or gear valve rust up in some > time. > > I also use some of the marine greases in my emergency shuttle valves, check > valves, and the QS1 and QS2 valves. They worked very well. I used them in > my flap and gear valves, but they didn't stop the rust from forming on the > steel face of the those valves. > > WD40 will displace water, but it does not last long and is not the greatest > as a lubricant. > > Stick with the air. You'll get use to the idiocies of air and get to fly > you > airplane. Keep it clean, dry and oiled, and she'll work ever bit as good as > hydraulics. And went she leaks, it don't mess up the floor of you hangar. > Jim Goolsby > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety, > deserve neither liberty nor safety" > Benjamin Franklin 1759 > "With my shield, or on it" > Trojan Warriors BC > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:04 AM PST US From: joe h Subject: Yak-List: Propeller distributor tube --> Yak-List message posted by: joe h Does any one have a drawing or dimensions of the distributor tube for the paddle prop. Part that screws into the prop. shaft of the M14 engine to transfer governor pressure to the prop hub. Thanks Joe Howse ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:02 AM PST US From: D Zeman Subject: Yak-List: Re: Conversion to Hydraulic operation --> Yak-List message posted by: D Zeman Cons: Added weight Added complexity More failure points Fire hazard How would emergency systems be added Cheers, D. Zeman http://platinum.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:35:55 AM PST US From: Walt Fricke Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Conversion to Hydraulic operation --> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke My yak -50 air system leaked out this winter and I have air ALL OVER the hangar floor. Some of it even got on the ramp outside. It is very hard to clean up and difficult to see dripping out of the system, but I think I'll stick with it. Still cheaper by the pail than hydraulic fluid. http://platinum.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:19 AM PST US From: "Doug" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Conversion to Hydraulic operation --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" Frank, You might consider installing a CJ6 water filter in your 52. It is over 6 inches long had both desiccant, and felt filters (and brass screens). Contact me off line and I will e-mail you a photo of a filter. Dennis sent me a 52 filter and it is incredibly small considering the job it has to do. I think the CJ6 filter would install easily. Always yakin, Doug Sapp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Haertlein" Subject: Yak-List: Conversion to Hydraulic operation > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > Yakers; > I'm thinking of using a "Marine" type grease which repels water and > protects against corrosion in my air-system components. Anyone have any > thoughts on the proper grease to use in the gear actuators, uplocks, > flap actuators and other system components? > > Also, I know the "snot valve" takes care of a lot of moisture but some > water still gets into the system. As I'm sure most are aware, it can > cause bad corrosion if the system isn't maintained on a regular basis. > So then this begs the question......."what about installing a "dryer" or > "desiccant" system somewhere downstream of the snot valve? Maybe make it > into a canister type arrangement that can easily be replaced or out > gassed at regular intervals? > > > In looking at my existing air operated system, I'm thinking it may not > be too difficult to implement a hydraulically operated system for > everything except engine starting and maybe braking. Anyone ever given > much thought to this for the YAK-52? Pros-Cons? > > Frank > N911OM > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:06 PM PST US From: Craig Payne Subject: Re: Yak-List: Conversion to Hydraulic operation --> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne Ernie, *sometimes* you get lucky...then again check the water trap, etc. as Florida humidity takes it's toll. Just ask Jim Goolsby. See you guys Tuesday at Bartow. Craig Payne Ernie wrote: > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" > > I just did the annual on my plane and removed the bottom plug from the main > air bottle, not a drop of water came out, it was bone dry. I guess the > existing dessicant system is sufficient if it is working properly. I drain > my snot valve after each flight, Occasionally I drain the under belly valve > also, but I rarely get any mositure out of it. > > Ernie ============================================================== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:31 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: Your Reporter Mr. Peter Arnitt PaulSanden@aol.com, Ruthcopes@aol.com, artziggy6@yahoo.com, carriesuerowe@yahoo.com, paulbeth.mullen@worldnet.att.net, wildf15c@hotmail.com, wpairprt@tdstelme.net, garvey@attbi.com, bncdenham@peakonline.com, jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net, pino1@compuserve.com, RAre406906@aol.com, CEParaiso@aol.com, JGoolsby@umaryland.edu, keith.goolsby@eds.com, moreira_thais@hotmail.com, vicky@shippei.com, paraisoam@surfbest.net, EdrisDee@aol.com, Ckelso17@earthlink.net, Bigj10@msn.com, gaf127enl@msn.com, MDSHELLEY@aol.com, yakjock@msn.com, walterfricke@yahoo.com, finleycj6@juno.com, BDorsey777@aol.com, Swifty305@aol.com, tcalloway@datatechnique.com, paulcfitzgerald@attbi.com, mason.t@worldnet.att.net, radialpower@cox.net --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com Mr. Eidtor, I just viewed your reporter Mr. Peter Arnitt on Iraq television. His assessment of and his claim that the war is a failure for the US and taking credit that his reporting that information to help the Iraq government is despicable. The man is a liar. That is the only assessment I can make given the depth of content of all other news sources. He credibility and motives have been questioned before and I am surprised that National Geographic allows or considers such a "reporter" in its employ. To me your reputation is far more valuable than this one sided, self serving propagandist. There is no way he can twist out what he said on Iraq's television. Because of his views he has free movement by the Iraqis to report "atrocities" and by his "view"s which are obviously anti American, anti war, he puts their "spin" on it. He is helping their cause and therefore putting Americans in more obvious danger not only in Iraq but in other middle eastern countries. I am putting forth my views of his antics to my friends. If I do not hear that you have not removed Mr. Arnitt from your employ with in two weeks, I will ask you to remove me from your list of customers. I will encourage my friends and acquaintances to do the same. James E. Goolsby "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" Benjamin Franklin 1759 "With my shield, or on it" Trojan Warriors BC ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:07 PM PST US From: "Ernie" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Conversion to Hydraulic operation --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" Seeya there, will be flying down tomorrow morning, the weather is going to be perfect this week if a bit cold Mon and Tues mornings. Ernie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Conversion to Hydraulic operation > --> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne > > Ernie, > > *sometimes* you get lucky...then again check the water trap, etc. as > Florida humidity takes it's toll. Just ask Jim Goolsby. See you guys > Tuesday at Bartow. > > Craig Payne > > Ernie wrote: > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" > > > > I just did the annual on my plane and removed the bottom plug from the main > > air bottle, not a drop of water came out, it was bone dry. I guess the > > existing dessicant system is sufficient if it is working properly. I drain > > my snot valve after each flight, Occasionally I drain the under belly valve > > also, but I rarely get any mositure out of it. > > > > Ernie > ============================================================== > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:32 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: Off to S&F KROwen@charter.net, mentor@cheshir.com, PaulSanden@aol.com, Ruthcopes@aol.com, artziggy6@yahoo.com, carriesuerowe@yahoo.com, paulbeth.mullen@worldnet.att.net, wildf15c@hotmail.com, wpairprt@tdstelme.net, garvey@attbi.com, bncdenham@peakonline.com, jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net, pino1@compuserve.com, RAre406906@aol.com, CEParaiso@aol.com, JGoolsby@umaryland.edu, keith.goolsby@eds.com, moreira_thais@hotmail.com, vicky@shippei.com, paraisoam@surfbest.net, EdrisDee@aol.com, Ckelso17@earthlink.net, Bigj10@msn.com, gaf127enl@msn.com, MDSHELLEY@aol.com, yakjock@msn.com, walterfricke@yahoo.com, finleycj6@juno.com, BDorsey777@aol.com, Swifty305@aol.com, tcalloway@datatechnique.com, paulcfitzgerald@attbi.com, mason.t@worldnet.att.net, radialpower@cox.net --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com Friend, folks, etc. Will be off the net for the next week. Off to fly to S&F in the morning and exercise my God given freedom of flight. Well, at least it should be. Should be back on the net the afternoon of the 6th. Nite all! Jim "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" Benjamin Franklin 1759 "With my shield, or on it" Trojan Warriors BC ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:27 PM PST US From: "Rick Basiliere" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Propeller distributor tube --> Yak-List message posted by: "Rick Basiliere" I have two of them sitting on my shelf in the hangar. I'll measure them tomorrow. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of joe h Subject: Yak-List: Propeller distributor tube --> Yak-List message posted by: joe h Does any one have a drawing or dimensions of the distributor tube for the paddle prop. Part that screws into the prop. shaft of the M14 engine to transfer governor pressure to the prop hub. Thanks Joe Howse ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:33 PM PST US From: "Jim Selby" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Off to S&F --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" Have a Safe Flight Jim..... Jim, Jr ----- Original Message ----- From: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Subject: Yak-List: Off to S&F > --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com > > Friend, folks, etc. > Will be off the net for the next week. Off to fly to S&F in the morning and > exercise my God given freedom of flight. Well, at least it should be. > > Should be back on the net the afternoon of the 6th. Nite all! > > Jim > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety, > deserve neither liberty nor safety" > Benjamin Franklin 1759 > "With my shield, or on it" > Trojan Warriors BC > >