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1. 05:25 AM - Meigs Closed (Bob Monzo)
2. 05:38 AM - Re: Meigs Closed (Terry Calloway)
3. 07:36 AM - Re: Meigs Closed (D Zeman)
4. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: Meigs Closed (EyeBLS@aol.com)
5. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: Meigs Closed (William Halverson)
6. 08:33 AM - Hydraulic system, Arnett (Barry Hancock)
7. 08:59 AM - Re: Meigs Closed (William Halverson)
8. 09:03 AM - Arnett (Terry Calloway)
9. 09:11 AM - Final Day (Barry Hancock)
10. 09:19 AM - War reporting (Kevin Pilling)
11. 10:23 AM - Re: Business and Pleasure (Doug)
12. 10:30 AM - Re: Business and Pleasure (Doug)
13. 11:30 AM - Re: Meigs Closed (Roy O. Wright)
14. 11:57 AM - Re: Stripping that stubborn, yellow zinc chromate primer (Brian Lloyd)
15. 01:19 PM - Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) (Brian Lloyd)
16. 02:42 PM - meigs field (ATPCFIMD@aol.com)
17. 03:07 PM - Re: Meigs Closed (Michael Di Marco)
18. 03:08 PM - Re: Arnett (Michael Di Marco)
19. 03:29 PM - Re: Meigs Closed (Gus Fraser)
20. 03:29 PM - Re: Arnett (Gus Fraser)
21. 03:32 PM - Way to Go! (Walt Fricke)
22. 03:35 PM - Re: Meigs Closed (Walt Fricke)
23. 03:39 PM - Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) Owes Jim Selby money? (Mark Schrick)
24. 03:51 PM - Fw: Way to Go! (Walt Fricke)
25. 03:52 PM - Meigs Field TORN UP........Here is the mayors email address (Mark Schrick)
26. 03:58 PM - FW: Welcome to AmeriKa (Gus Fraser)
27. 04:38 PM - Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) Owes Andrew Zheng parts? (Andrew Zheng \(China\))
28. 04:39 PM - Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) (Doug)
29. 04:57 PM - Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) (Andrew Zheng \(China\))
30. 04:59 PM - Re: Arnett (Sam Sax)
31. 04:59 PM - Attack on Meigs (JAmund1009@aol.com)
32. 05:25 PM - Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) Owes Jim Selby money? (Andrew Zheng \(China\))
33. 05:55 PM - Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) (Andrew Zheng \(China\))
34. 06:19 PM - Cj6 flight (jay reiter)
35. 07:14 PM - Re: Meigs Field TORN UP........Here is the mayors email address (EyeBLS@aol.com)
36. 07:36 PM - Re: Meigs Closed (Frank Haertlein)
37. 07:59 PM - Re: Stripping that stubborn, yellow zinc chromate primer tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, (Walt Lannon)
38. 08:08 PM - ( Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) Owes Jim Selby money? Lots of MONEY!!!! (Mark Schrick)
39. 08:12 PM - ( Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) No way.............. (Mark Schrick)
40. 08:36 PM - Copy of a letter to the mayor of Chicago about Meigs (Frank Haertlein)
41. 09:04 PM - Re: Cj6 flight (Jim Selby)
42. 09:05 PM - Anodizing (Wes Warner)
43. 10:52 PM - Re: ( Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) Owes Jim Selby money? Lots of MONEY!!!! (Andrew Zheng \(China\))
44. 11:34 PM - Re: Cj6 flight (Andrew Zheng \(China\))
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bob Monzo" <yakpilot@wideopenwest.com>
Just on local news. Meigs Field on Chicago's lakefront was abruptly closed without
warning Sunday evening. Furthermore, heavy equipment was brought in and
the runway (or at least a portion in the middle) is being ripped out. The airport
is now NOTAM'd as closed indefinitely. Although there is no official word
yet from the City of Chicago, it is being assumed this elimination of Meigs
was performed in name of Homeland Security due to the airport's location just
SE of downtown Chicago which is now a no-fly zone. The news footage actually
showed some airplanes sitting on the ramp while the runway was being torn out.
I suspect the owners/pilots of these aircraft will have to remove the wings
and truck them out. Maybe, if the taxi way is left intact long enough, these
aircraft will be permitted to depart from the taxi way. If not, pull out the
wrenches and back up the truck. That's assuming of course the pilots will even
be allowed access to the airport. Right now the police have closed all access
to the airport and are not allowing anyone to enter except the demolition crew.
What an incredibly demoralizing sight.
Bob M.
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| Subject: | Re: Meigs Closed |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
>What an incredibly demoralizing sight.
>Bob M.
What and Incredible sacrifice for "Freedom".
tc
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| Subject: | Re: Meigs Closed |
--> Yak-List message posted by: D Zeman <curious_wings@yahoo.com>
See live pictures here...
http://www.adlerplanetarium.org/
click on the "sky eye cam" and move it to the left
until the airport comes into view.
Looks pretty bad - possibly an improvement project??!!
D. Zeman
http://platinum.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Meigs Closed |
--> Yak-List message posted by: EyeBLS@aol.com
this is the view at 11:15AM EST
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| Subject: | Re: Meigs Closed |
--> Yak-List message posted by: William Halverson <william@netpros.net>
Every couple of years 'they' close Meigs .. or threaten to .. did they
finally succeed this time?
Damn .. what a great way to visit Chicago ...
Bill
D Zeman wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: D Zeman <curious_wings@yahoo.com>
>
>See live pictures here...
>
>http://www.adlerplanetarium.org/
>click on the "sky eye cam" and move it to the left
>until the airport comes into view.
>
>Looks pretty bad - possibly an improvement project??!!
>
>D. Zeman
>
>http://platinum.yahoo.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Hydraulic system, Arnett |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Thought I'd add my two cents here since I've actually operated a CJ with
hydraulic brakes in two different airplanes. My first impression....not
worth the hassle.
A more pragmatic approach is to do as Mr. Zeman has done and look at the
pros and cons.
Pros:
-"Conventional" as far as Americans are concerned.
-You have your hands free on the ground for start and other futzing
around.
-easier to find leaks
-You don't have to be coordinated to operate the plane on the ground.
Cons:
-Cost. There's no cheap way to do it...and you'll never see a dime of
it when you go to resell your airplane.
-Added complexity of another system, and what are you going to do for an
emergency system?
-Added weight
-Added maintenance
-Hydraulic fluid is a pain in the rear
-no respect for good taxi technique...anybody can steer with just their
feet!
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As for Mr. Arnett....the guy has been a "reporter" of this ilk for
decades. Think about it for a second...it is becoming more and more
obvious that the Iraqi Government is killing it's own civilians and
blaming off target US ordinance. They use "evidence" that looks good to
the uninitiated/ignorant. It works because most of the world is
uninitiated/ignorant. Mr. Arnett is obviously initiated, and should
know better. So either a) his arrogance has the best of him, b) he has
an anti-US agenda, c) he is as dense as a guy trying to attack an
armored vehicle with a bus, or d) all of the above.
National Geographic has become a soft propaganda tool for the leftist
agenda. They are a perfect match. Pictures work because they play on
emotions, and the world tends to put more credibility into what they
feel than into rational thought and facts.
That's the end of my political commentary. OK, I feel better now.
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Meigs Closed |
--> Yak-List message posted by: William Halverson <william@netpros.net>
How can this be legal? Did the Mayor declare martial law? I thought
APOA and the FAA had worked out an agreement to keep it open!!!
Bill Halverson
Terry Calloway wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
>
>>What an incredibly demoralizing sight.
>>Bob M.
>>
>
>
>What and Incredible sacrifice for "Freedom".
>tc
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
I just heard Arnett got the axe. Will try to confirm.
tc
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Hi gang,
Just wanted to remind everyone that today is the final day of the "early
bird special" for Red Star West '03. If you register and send your
check *today* you'll receive 10% off of the registration fees. We are
well ahead of last years registration numbers and the event is shaping
up very nicely.
Go to http://www.allredstar.com/Current_ops_RS_homepage.asp for more
information.
I have also received several questions regarding a Red Star East.
Indeed this is in the works. We are making preliminary plans for a
sister event east of the Mississippi for 2004. If you are interested in
helping organize this event. Please contact me directly. We would
love, and are counting on, support from our brethren on the other coast,
as well as all points in between, to make the Red Star concept of a
locally run national organization (a Red CAF - without all the BS
politics - if you will) a reality.
Have a great week and may God Bless our troops!
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" <kjpilling@btclick.com>
BlankQuote
<They use "evidence" that looks good to
<the uninitiated/ignorant. It works because most of the world is
<uninitiated/ignorant. Mr. Arnett is obviously initiated, and should
<know better.
I don't necessarily agree with you Barry... in the UK for sure the majority are
not ignorant. Whilst we do have anti War protesters they only make news because
the Brits are not crass enough to organise marches in support........it's just
not British............but we do have reporters who forget where they choose
to live and feel safe.
I think it is best said in the following quote I lifted from an earlier posting
"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment by men of zeal,
well-meaning but
without understanding."
Justice Louis Brandeis. 1928.
As for the Governmental Vandalism at Miegs Field........no further comment
fly safe
kp
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| Subject: | Re: Business and Pleasure |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Your EAA comparison is weak. We are not talking about a poor design or poor
marketing, we are talking about deceit, lying and non payment of debts due
by anyone in our community. As I said," we all should exhaust every
possible avenue in an effort to solve the problem before posting a negative
message. Call the offending party first, do everything you can to resolve
the problem, and if he is not forthcoming or tells you to go pack sand, then
it is time to post a true and factual statement of what happened.
How would the ebay type complaint and rebuttal system be any different that
what we have already?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@mc.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Business and Pleasure
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne <cpayne@mc.net>
>
> Doug, and All,
>
> I do respect your opinions as I have have either met you personally,
> done business with you or know of your reputation by word-of-mouth. I'm
> not looking to bad mouth anyone although I'm sorely tempted at times.
>
> Yes, the "Yak" community needs a Better Business Bureau. As in other
> experimental A/C categories, we do not have Big Brother to watch over
> us, and neither do we want him.
>
> What I was saying is that this list is not the place.
>
> A little history: the EAA has seen many designs, designers and
> "operators" of questionable competence and reputation over the years.
> However, the EAA could not act as policeman; the markets and the courts
> did that. There is a fine line between incompetence, ignorance and
> dishonesty. Look at our Big Business CEO's if you doubt my words.
>
> In my lifetime, numerous new designs appeared at Oshkosh, some were
> unsafe to even be parked in the Fly Market, some were designed by
> brilliant people who were poor business people....the entire rainbow of
> human frailty. As an Org, the EAA never took negative positions that
> were not based on demonstrated fact and they published same.
>
> What I might suggest is a forum somewhat like Ebay Feedback, where
> negative feedback could be reputed by those falsely accused or, resolved
> through mediation. Each participant in a business transaction could post
> such feedback and the "score" maintained for all to see, backed with the
> submitter's name and quote.
>
> Any other suggestions that might help the cause while preserving an air
> of civility on This list?
>
> Craig Payne
>
> > Craig,
> > I disagree, and my comments ARE NOT pointed just at the "honest Andrew"
> > thing alone because these things, once exposed to the harsh light of day
and
> > are circulated through out the community as this matter has been, seem
to
> > work themselves out. My comments are more pointed at your attempt to
hinder
> > our ability to weed out the crap from the good stuff by not being able
to
> > post these problems on the list.
> >...
> >...
> > The balance between good business and bad product or broken promises,
can
> > only be achieved by communication between us all. However having said
all
> > this, we should all exhaust every possible avenue in an effort to solve
the
> > problem before posting a negative message. The application of some
common
> > sense will go a long way here.
> >
> > Always Yakin,
> > Doug Sapp
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Business and Pleasure |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Your EAA comparison is weak. We are not talking about a poor design or poor
marketing, we are talking about deceit, lying and non payment of debts due
by anyone in our community. As I said," we all should exhaust every
possible avenue in an effort to solve the problem before posting a negative
message. Call the offending party first, do everything you can to resolve
the problem, and if he is not forthcoming or tells you to go pack sand, then
it is time to post a true and factual statement of what happened.
How would the ebay type complaint and rebuttal system be any different that
what we have already?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@mc.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Business and Pleasure
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne <cpayne@mc.net>
>
> Doug, and All,
>
> I do respect your opinions as I have have either met you personally,
> done business with you or know of your reputation by word-of-mouth. I'm
> not looking to bad mouth anyone although I'm sorely tempted at times.
>
> Yes, the "Yak" community needs a Better Business Bureau. As in other
> experimental A/C categories, we do not have Big Brother to watch over
> us, and neither do we want him.
>
> What I was saying is that this list is not the place.
>
> A little history: the EAA has seen many designs, designers and
> "operators" of questionable competence and reputation over the years.
> However, the EAA could not act as policeman; the markets and the courts
> did that. There is a fine line between incompetence, ignorance and
> dishonesty. Look at our Big Business CEO's if you doubt my words.
>
> In my lifetime, numerous new designs appeared at Oshkosh, some were
> unsafe to even be parked in the Fly Market, some were designed by
> brilliant people who were poor business people....the entire rainbow of
> human frailty. As an Org, the EAA never took negative positions that
> were not based on demonstrated fact and they published same.
>
> What I might suggest is a forum somewhat like Ebay Feedback, where
> negative feedback could be reputed by those falsely accused or, resolved
> through mediation. Each participant in a business transaction could post
> such feedback and the "score" maintained for all to see, backed with the
> submitter's name and quote.
>
> Any other suggestions that might help the cause while preserving an air
> of civility on This list?
>
> Craig Payne
>
> > Craig,
> > I disagree, and my comments ARE NOT pointed just at the "honest Andrew"
> > thing alone because these things, once exposed to the harsh light of day
and
> > are circulated through out the community as this matter has been, seem
to
> > work themselves out. My comments are more pointed at your attempt to
hinder
> > our ability to weed out the crap from the good stuff by not being able
to
> > post these problems on the list.
> >...
> >...
> > The balance between good business and bad product or broken promises,
can
> > only be achieved by communication between us all. However having said
all
> > this, we should all exhaust every possible avenue in an effort to solve
the
> > problem before posting a negative message. The application of some
common
> > sense will go a long way here.
> >
> > Always Yakin,
> > Doug Sapp
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Meigs Closed |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roy O. Wright" <roy@wright.org>
Welcome to Amerika! Home of the free (government, that is).
Sorry, I'm just sick of what our government is doing to
our nation, and that we, as a people, are letting them...
Roy
<s>new def. liberty n. pl. liberties 1. The freedom for the
government to do whatever it wants.</s>
At 07:24 AM 3/31/2003 -0600, Bob Monzo wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bob Monzo" <yakpilot@wideopenwest.com>
>
>Just on local news. Meigs Field on Chicago's lakefront was abruptly closed without
warning Sunday evening. Furthermore, heavy equipment was brought in and
the runway (or at least a portion in the middle) is being ripped out. The airport
is now NOTAM'd as closed indefinitely. Although there is no official word
yet from the City of Chicago, it is being assumed this elimination of Meigs
was performed in name of Homeland Security due to the airport's location just
SE of downtown Chicago which is now a no-fly zone. The news footage actually
showed some airplanes sitting on the ramp while the runway was being torn out.
I suspect the owners/pilots of these aircraft will have to remove the wings
and truck them out. Maybe, if the taxi way is left intact long enough, these
aircraft will be permitted to depart from the taxi way. If not, pull out the
wrenches and back up the truck. That's assuming of course the pilots will even
be allowed access to the airport. Right now the !
p!
>olice have closed all access to the airport and are not allowing anyone to enter
except the demolition crew. What an incredibly demoralizing sight.
>
>Bob M.
',,'',,'',,',,'',,'',,
Roy Wright #include <std-disclaimer>
Future historians will be able to study at the Jimmy Carter
Library, the Gerald Ford Library, the Ronald Reagan Library,
the George Bush Library, and the Bill Clinton Adult Bookstore.
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| Subject: | Re: Stripping that stubborn, yellow zinc chromate primer |
tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Walt Lannon wrote:
> The CJ6 alum. alloy is actually anodized. I suspect the Yak52 is the same.
Are you sure? It sure looks like alodine to me.
> It is an electro-chemical etching process that leaves a very durable coating
> on the surface. Alodine is a chemical (chromic acid) process that also
> leaves a protective coat but is far less durable than anodize. It's main
> advantage is to prevent the formation of aluminum oxide before priming and
> therefore improve primer adhesion. Etching with phosphoric acid prior to
> painting removes the al. oxide coat. Oxidation will begin again almost
> immediately afterward. Alodine delays that process.
>
> Anodizing is rarely seen on Western aircraft any more except for the very
> expensive varieties. It is probably still a requirement for US Navy
> aircraft.
I used to specify anodizing to make aluminum panels more durable for some
non-aviation products I used to build but I was always concerned about making
the aluminum too brittle so I never spec'd that for high-stress parts.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
There are ways to do this without getting everybody's knickers in a knot. EBay,
Amazon, and others allow individuals to write reviews of products. No reason we
cannot do the same. To someone contemplating purchasing an airplane they can go
to the archives and read what people have said. The key is that all reviews
must involve first-hand experience with the vendor, no "well, I know a guy who
knows a guy who says ..."
All I can say is that I have had direct dealings with Yakity Yaks, Doug Sapp,
and the Selbys. I have been pleased with the results in all three cases. I
have picked up an airplane from Andrew Zhang for a student and the student is
still having trouble with the airplane two years later. In fact, in two years
he has only been able to fly the airplane about 10 hours.
Statements like, "...always keep a large jar of Vasoline with you," are
unproductive. Perhaps better would be something with facts and substance.
I flew down to Van Nuys to pick up an aircraft for a student. It was brought in
by Andrew Zhang and assembled by, I believe, Bill Scully. When I went to fly
the airplane away the battery was dead and the air had leaked away. The battery
installation was in my opinion marginally airworthy, consisting of a pair of
motorcycle batteries in series and the battery box had been modified in such a
way as to preclude any protection for the batteries and wiring. Holes for the
wires were not properly dressed and chafing was a potential problem.
The airplane had been signed off as having completed its phase-1 requirements
but I detected serious pitot-static errors in the ASI in flight. The
encoder/altimeter correspondence checks had been signed off in the log. Checks
with ATC indicated that the altimeter and the encoder agreed within about 150'
at all altitudes.
When I reached Cameron Park I noticed an excessive amount of oil on the outside
aircraft. Further examination showed that more than one of the cylinders had
excessively loose cylinder base nuts requiring all the cylinders to be removed,
the case inspected for fretting, and the cylinders reinstalled with proper base
gaskets and bolt torque. The pitot/static system was blown out to remove
entrapped water and the ASI and other P/S instruments then worked properly on
the subsequent test flight. Unfortunately the flap extension system exhibited
problems which required the shuttle valves to be cleaned. It appeared they had
never been serviced.
On the next flight the prop blew a seal during taxi. Fortunately my wingman
noticed the smoke (the airplane looked like it had a smoke-oil system going) and
warned me before take-off. Upon shut-down the engine/prop began to dump large
quantities of oil on the ramp. This was repaired.
The paint began to chip off in places indicating that whoever applied the paint
had not performed proper preparation before applying the paint.
The owner came out for dual instruction in the aircraft. We performed the
instruction without problems.
The airplane began exhibiting an increase in oil consumption but I decided to
fly it to see if oil consumption would stabilize. I flew it to Red Star last
year. On take-off to return to Cameron Park the brake cable on the forward
stick broke as I was taxiing into position on the runway for a formation
take-off. I was able to exit the runway under aerodynamic control and roll to
a
stop on the taxi way clear of the runway. The airplane was towed back to the
ramp and tied down.
I returned for the airplane a couple weeks later. The engine exhibited a
hydraulic lock which was rectified by removing the lower spark plugs and intake
drain plugs and pulling the engine through multiple times. There was
substantial oil in the cylinders. The engine was pulled through and all the oil
drained from the cylinders. As it was very hot I went inside for a cup of water
before returning to depart with the airplane. Since only 10 minutes had elapsed
since I had cleared the lock I did not pull the engine through again. When I
started the engine it hydraulic locked when it fired. End of engine.
The airplane now has a new engine courtesy of Doug Sapp. I do not know where
the owner stands in his dealing with Andrew Zhang.
Those are facts. You may draw any conclusion you please from them.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: ATPCFIMD@aol.com
I just got off the phone with the control tower operator at Meigs. He was as outraged
as anyone over what happened. The runway is destroyed, but the taxiway
is open. About 15 small planes there, no jets.
Safety? Security? There is now no class D airspace there, and pilots can now transit
the area without talking to anyone. In fact, pilots can now circle over
Meigs without permission or talking to anyone as long as their fuel permits. I
give it two years until Mayor Daly has a casino built on the property.
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| Subject: | Re: Meigs Closed |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco <mgdimarco@yahoo.com>
They did and the mayor broke the agreement. Someone is pushing real hard for those
condos and marinas.
Mike
William Halverson <william@netpros.net> wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by:
William Halverson
How can this be legal? Did the Mayor declare martial law? I thought
APOA and the FAA had worked out an agreement to keep it open!!!
Bill Halverson
Terry Calloway wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway"
>
>>What an incredibly demoralizing sight.
>>Bob M.
>>
>
>
>What and Incredible sacrifice for "Freedom".
>tc
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco <mgdimarco@yahoo.com>
He did and good riddens. One down and all the others at CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC
to go.
Mike
Terry Calloway <TCalloway@datatechnique.com> wrote:--> Yak-List message posted
by: "Terry Calloway"
I just heard Arnett got the axe. Will try to confirm.
tc
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
That's the spirit Bill. Don't just roll over and accept it. There has to be
a line in the sand here and as far as I am concerned this is it. We have
seen the blurring of the demarcation of who is responsible for the sky over
many month. There is now a real question that needs to be answered "Who owns
airports and the skies ?, if not the FAA then get rid of it.".
I now live and operate in an ADIZ. (decided by ?, who knows)
I now have to put two locks on my aircraft. (decided by the state of NJ)
Now an airport is attacked under cover of darkness under the orders of the
Czar of Chicago.
Is it just me or does this not make your blood boil. It is almost as if we
are being told "well you have had your hundred years of fun now just get the
hell out of the skies.
Wake up people a class A airspace system is coming to a town near you soon.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of William
Halverson
aopahq@aopa.org.Gecko/20020508.Netscape6/6.2.3
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Meigs Closed
--> Yak-List message posted by: William Halverson <william@netpros.net>
How can this be legal? Did the Mayor declare martial law? I thought
APOA and the FAA had worked out an agreement to keep it open!!!
Bill Halverson
Terry Calloway wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway"
<TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
>
>>What an incredibly demoralizing sight.
>>Bob M.
>>
>
>
>What and Incredible sacrifice for "Freedom".
>tc
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
Yes he got the axe, never to transmit again, I hope.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Calloway
Subject: Yak-List: Arnett
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway"
<TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
I just heard Arnett got the axe. Will try to confirm.
tc
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
I presume you would not have read this had the subject
line been "Meigs Field".
As one who flew combat and shed blood to protect the
freedoms of the citizen's of Chicago and the US, and
watching our guys do the same today, I am appalled
that you have such little regard for our intelligence
as to "protect us" from terror by putting up "no fly
zones" and tearing up an airport you pledged would
remain open, under the guise of security.
Clearly you have used this opportune time to
accomplish what you could not do without cover of
darkness or fear mongering.
This is an affront to ALL FREEDOM LOVING citizens of
the US. If I am correct about the intelligence of
your constituents, you will not be reelected. If you
are, they deserve you.
http://platinum.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Meigs Closed |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
See the AOPA.org website for the Mayor's email
address. clog it.
http://platinum.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) |
Owes Jim Selby money?
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Brian,
Good, straight forward reporting.... I bet the owner wishes he heard from
you earlier.
This is why it is important that we continue to discuss ANY issues on this
news-group due to the
important nature of the issues being raised. As long as they are facts and
not hear-say or rumors. This would be a great place to vent for reform.
A lot of good comments in the past few days and very constructive for all to
read.
Regards,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Subject: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
clean?)
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
There are ways to do this without getting everybody's knickers in a knot.
EBay,
Amazon, and others allow individuals to write reviews of products. No
reason we
cannot do the same. To someone contemplating purchasing an airplane they
can go
to the archives and read what people have said. The key is that all reviews
must involve first-hand experience with the vendor, no "well, I know a guy
who
knows a guy who says ..."
All I can say is that I have had direct dealings with Yakity Yaks, Doug
Sapp,
and the Selbys. I have been pleased with the results in all three cases. I
have picked up an airplane from Andrew Zhang for a student and the student
is
still having trouble with the airplane two years later. In fact, in two
years
he has only been able to fly the airplane about 10 hours.
Statements like, "...always keep a large jar of Vasoline with you," are
unproductive. Perhaps better would be something with facts and substance.
I flew down to Van Nuys to pick up an aircraft for a student. It was
brought in
by Andrew Zhang and assembled by, I believe, Bill Scully. When I went to
fly
the airplane away the battery was dead and the air had leaked away. The
battery
installation was in my opinion marginally airworthy, consisting of a pair of
motorcycle batteries in series and the battery box had been modified in such
a
way as to preclude any protection for the batteries and wiring. Holes for
the
wires were not properly dressed and chafing was a potential problem.
The airplane had been signed off as having completed its phase-1
requirements
but I detected serious pitot-static errors in the ASI in flight. The
encoder/altimeter correspondence checks had been signed off in the log.
Checks
with ATC indicated that the altimeter and the encoder agreed within about
150'
at all altitudes.
When I reached Cameron Park I noticed an excessive amount of oil on the
outside
aircraft. Further examination showed that more than one of the cylinders
had
excessively loose cylinder base nuts requiring all the cylinders to be
removed,
the case inspected for fretting, and the cylinders reinstalled with proper
base
gaskets and bolt torque. The pitot/static system was blown out to remove
entrapped water and the ASI and other P/S instruments then worked properly
on
the subsequent test flight. Unfortunately the flap extension system
exhibited
problems which required the shuttle valves to be cleaned. It appeared they
had
never been serviced.
On the next flight the prop blew a seal during taxi. Fortunately my wingman
noticed the smoke (the airplane looked like it had a smoke-oil system going)
and
warned me before take-off. Upon shut-down the engine/prop began to dump
large
quantities of oil on the ramp. This was repaired.
The paint began to chip off in places indicating that whoever applied the
paint
had not performed proper preparation before applying the paint.
The owner came out for dual instruction in the aircraft. We performed the
instruction without problems.
The airplane began exhibiting an increase in oil consumption but I decided
to
fly it to see if oil consumption would stabilize. I flew it to Red Star
last
year. On take-off to return to Cameron Park the brake cable on the forward
stick broke as I was taxiing into position on the runway for a formation
take-off. I was able to exit the runway under aerodynamic control and roll
to a
stop on the taxi way clear of the runway. The airplane was towed back to
the
ramp and tied down.
I returned for the airplane a couple weeks later. The engine exhibited a
hydraulic lock which was rectified by removing the lower spark plugs and
intake
drain plugs and pulling the engine through multiple times. There was
substantial oil in the cylinders. The engine was pulled through and all the
oil
drained from the cylinders. As it was very hot I went inside for a cup of
water
before returning to depart with the airplane. Since only 10 minutes had
elapsed
since I had cleared the lock I did not pull the engine through again. When
I
started the engine it hydraulic locked when it fired. End of engine.
The airplane now has a new engine courtesy of Doug Sapp. I do not know
where
the owner stands in his dealing with Andrew Zhang.
Those are facts. You may draw any conclusion you please from them.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
--- Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:32:27 -0800 (PST)
> From: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Way to Go!
> To: mayordaley@cityofchicago.org
>
> I presume you would not have read this had the
> subject
> line been "Meigs Field".
>
> As one who flew combat and shed blood to protect the
> freedoms of the citizen's of Chicago and the US, and
> watching our guys do the same today, I am appalled
> that you have such little regard for our
> intelligence
> as to "protect us" from terror by putting up "no fly
> zones" and tearing up an airport you pledged would
> remain open, under the guise of security.
>
> Clearly you have used this opportune time to
> accomplish what you could not do without cover of
> darkness or fear mongering.
>
> This is an affront to ALL FREEDOM LOVING citizens of
> the US. If I am correct about the intelligence of
> your constituents, you will not be reelected. If
> you
> are, they deserve you.
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> live on your desktop!
> http://platinum.yahoo.com
>
http://platinum.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Meigs Field TORN UP........Here is the mayors email address |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Mayor Daley's e-mail address
mayordaley@cityofchicago.org
Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich at
governor@state.il.us
Let's ROLL..........................................................Send
those e-mails NOW!!!!!!
Mark Schrick
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| Subject: | FW: Welcome to AmeriKa |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
Could not think of anything else to do so I fired this off.
"Borrowed your sig Jim"
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: Gus Fraser [mailto:fraseg@comcast.net]
Subject: Welcome to AmeriKa
FAO the Csar Of Chicago:
It is nice to know that we live in a nation where people can carry on
business with people whose word is there bond. People with honor and a sense
of fair play. A nation that is in it's one hundredth year since the birth of
aviation.
Sir you are a man with no honor. Your vandalistic attack on Meigs field is
more of the totalistic type of government one expects to come from a certain
country in the middle east now undergoing a regime change.
I would be interested to know what specific threats lead to this action ?
Were we under imminent attack from flocks of suicidal seagulls ? Or maybe
the legions of shore crabs massing on the beach for final assault. No I
suspect that whoever it is that is going to get the contract for the
building of the condos or whatever you have sold your honor for is the
source of the security risk. I suggest that the only security that was at
risk was your security deposit for services you have yet to provide.
I wish you a failure in your re-election and lots of skeletons emerging from
closets in the future.
I hope that the electorate of your fair city perform a regime change of
there own at the ballot box, if they are still around when your term in
office is up.
In the words of one Benjamin Franklin:-
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Gus Fraser
NJ Pilot.
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| Subject: | Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) |
Owes Andrew Zheng parts?
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
Mark,
I still don't want do the CJ business with you and don't want sell you a CJ at
lowest price to you.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?)
Owes Jim Selby money?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
>
> Brian,
>
> Good, straight forward reporting.... I bet the owner wishes he heard from
> you earlier.
>
> This is why it is important that we continue to discuss ANY issues on this
> news-group due to the
> important nature of the issues being raised. As long as they are facts and
> not hear-say or rumors. This would be a great place to vent for reform.
>
> A lot of good comments in the past few days and very constructive for all to
> read.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
> clean?)
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> There are ways to do this without getting everybody's knickers in a knot.
> EBay,
> Amazon, and others allow individuals to write reviews of products. No
> reason we
> cannot do the same. To someone contemplating purchasing an airplane they
> can go
> to the archives and read what people have said. The key is that all reviews
> must involve first-hand experience with the vendor, no "well, I know a guy
> who
> knows a guy who says ..."
>
> All I can say is that I have had direct dealings with Yakity Yaks, Doug
> Sapp,
> and the Selbys. I have been pleased with the results in all three cases. I
> have picked up an airplane from Andrew Zhang for a student and the student
> is
> still having trouble with the airplane two years later. In fact, in two
> years
> he has only been able to fly the airplane about 10 hours.
>
> Statements like, "...always keep a large jar of Vasoline with you," are
> unproductive. Perhaps better would be something with facts and substance.
>
> I flew down to Van Nuys to pick up an aircraft for a student. It was
> brought in
> by Andrew Zhang and assembled by, I believe, Bill Scully. When I went to
> fly
> the airplane away the battery was dead and the air had leaked away. The
> battery
> installation was in my opinion marginally airworthy, consisting of a pair of
> motorcycle batteries in series and the battery box had been modified in such
> a
> way as to preclude any protection for the batteries and wiring. Holes for
> the
> wires were not properly dressed and chafing was a potential problem.
>
> The airplane had been signed off as having completed its phase-1
> requirements
> but I detected serious pitot-static errors in the ASI in flight. The
> encoder/altimeter correspondence checks had been signed off in the log.
> Checks
> with ATC indicated that the altimeter and the encoder agreed within about
> 150'
> at all altitudes.
>
> When I reached Cameron Park I noticed an excessive amount of oil on the
> outside
> aircraft. Further examination showed that more than one of the cylinders
> had
> excessively loose cylinder base nuts requiring all the cylinders to be
> removed,
> the case inspected for fretting, and the cylinders reinstalled with proper
> base
> gaskets and bolt torque. The pitot/static system was blown out to remove
> entrapped water and the ASI and other P/S instruments then worked properly
> on
> the subsequent test flight. Unfortunately the flap extension system
> exhibited
> problems which required the shuttle valves to be cleaned. It appeared they
> had
> never been serviced.
>
> On the next flight the prop blew a seal during taxi. Fortunately my wingman
> noticed the smoke (the airplane looked like it had a smoke-oil system going)
> and
> warned me before take-off. Upon shut-down the engine/prop began to dump
> large
> quantities of oil on the ramp. This was repaired.
>
> The paint began to chip off in places indicating that whoever applied the
> paint
> had not performed proper preparation before applying the paint.
>
> The owner came out for dual instruction in the aircraft. We performed the
> instruction without problems.
>
> The airplane began exhibiting an increase in oil consumption but I decided
> to
> fly it to see if oil consumption would stabilize. I flew it to Red Star
> last
> year. On take-off to return to Cameron Park the brake cable on the forward
> stick broke as I was taxiing into position on the runway for a formation
> take-off. I was able to exit the runway under aerodynamic control and roll
> to a
> stop on the taxi way clear of the runway. The airplane was towed back to
> the
> ramp and tied down.
>
> I returned for the airplane a couple weeks later. The engine exhibited a
> hydraulic lock which was rectified by removing the lower spark plugs and
> intake
> drain plugs and pulling the engine through multiple times. There was
> substantial oil in the cylinders. The engine was pulled through and all the
> oil
> drained from the cylinders. As it was very hot I went inside for a cup of
> water
> before returning to depart with the airplane. Since only 10 minutes had
> elapsed
> since I had cleared the lock I did not pull the engine through again. When
> I
> started the engine it hydraulic locked when it fired. End of engine.
>
> The airplane now has a new engine courtesy of Doug Sapp. I do not know
> where
> the owner stands in his dealing with Andrew Zhang.
>
> Those are facts. You may draw any conclusion you please from them.
>
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
One short note about this aircraft:
It continues to plague the owner with problems. I sold the owner a 1st time
over hauled engine, it was installed by Randy Thorne, who did an excellent
job. But this engine has, after an hour or so of run time developed a
problem of exceedingly high case pressures, which blow huge quantities of
oil out of the rear case vent and all over the aircraft when RPM is at or
near cruise settings. Unfortunately, this problem seems (at this time)
unfixable as no one in the US has the tools, knowledge or the manuals to
overhaul these engines. This engine has what seems to be a defective blower
gasket/seal and I am sure I will part it out in an effort to cut my losses.
I am now arranging to send a replacement engine to Randy. I sincerely hope
that this solves the problem and the owner can finally get back in the air.
Maybe in time for Red Star.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
clean?)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> There are ways to do this without getting everybody's knickers in a knot.
EBay,
> Amazon, and others allow individuals to write reviews of products. No
reason we
> cannot do the same. To someone contemplating purchasing an airplane they
can go
> to the archives and read what people have said. The key is that all
reviews
> must involve first-hand experience with the vendor, no "well, I know a guy
who
> knows a guy who says ..."
>
> All I can say is that I have had direct dealings with Yakity Yaks, Doug
Sapp,
> and the Selbys. I have been pleased with the results in all three cases.
I
> have picked up an airplane from Andrew Zhang for a student and the student
is
> still having trouble with the airplane two years later. In fact, in two
years
> he has only been able to fly the airplane about 10 hours.
>
> Statements like, "...always keep a large jar of Vasoline with you," are
> unproductive. Perhaps better would be something with facts and substance.
>
> I flew down to Van Nuys to pick up an aircraft for a student. It was
brought in
> by Andrew Zhang and assembled by, I believe, Bill Scully. When I went to
fly
> the airplane away the battery was dead and the air had leaked away. The
battery
> installation was in my opinion marginally airworthy, consisting of a pair
of
> motorcycle batteries in series and the battery box had been modified in
such a
> way as to preclude any protection for the batteries and wiring. Holes for
the
> wires were not properly dressed and chafing was a potential problem.
>
> The airplane had been signed off as having completed its phase-1
requirements
> but I detected serious pitot-static errors in the ASI in flight. The
> encoder/altimeter correspondence checks had been signed off in the log.
Checks
> with ATC indicated that the altimeter and the encoder agreed within about
150'
> at all altitudes.
>
> When I reached Cameron Park I noticed an excessive amount of oil on the
outside
> aircraft. Further examination showed that more than one of the cylinders
had
> excessively loose cylinder base nuts requiring all the cylinders to be
removed,
> the case inspected for fretting, and the cylinders reinstalled with proper
base
> gaskets and bolt torque. The pitot/static system was blown out to remove
> entrapped water and the ASI and other P/S instruments then worked properly
on
> the subsequent test flight. Unfortunately the flap extension system
exhibited
> problems which required the shuttle valves to be cleaned. It appeared
they had
> never been serviced.
>
> On the next flight the prop blew a seal during taxi. Fortunately my
wingman
> noticed the smoke (the airplane looked like it had a smoke-oil system
going) and
> warned me before take-off. Upon shut-down the engine/prop began to dump
large
> quantities of oil on the ramp. This was repaired.
>
> The paint began to chip off in places indicating that whoever applied the
paint
> had not performed proper preparation before applying the paint.
>
> The owner came out for dual instruction in the aircraft. We performed the
> instruction without problems.
>
> The airplane began exhibiting an increase in oil consumption but I decided
to
> fly it to see if oil consumption would stabilize. I flew it to Red Star
last
> year. On take-off to return to Cameron Park the brake cable on the
forward
> stick broke as I was taxiing into position on the runway for a formation
> take-off. I was able to exit the runway under aerodynamic control and
roll to a
> stop on the taxi way clear of the runway. The airplane was towed back to
the
> ramp and tied down.
>
> I returned for the airplane a couple weeks later. The engine exhibited a
> hydraulic lock which was rectified by removing the lower spark plugs and
intake
> drain plugs and pulling the engine through multiple times. There was
> substantial oil in the cylinders. The engine was pulled through and all
the oil
> drained from the cylinders. As it was very hot I went inside for a cup of
water
> before returning to depart with the airplane. Since only 10 minutes had
elapsed
> since I had cleared the lock I did not pull the engine through again.
When I
> started the engine it hydraulic locked when it fired. End of engine.
>
> The airplane now has a new engine courtesy of Doug Sapp. I do not know
where
> the owner stands in his dealing with Andrew Zhang.
>
> Those are facts. You may draw any conclusion you please from them.
>
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
Doug,
Is the engine without any information(no log book, no records...even don't know
where the engine come from)that you wanted to me to find out some information
from China for you. How do you know it is first time overhauled engine now? You
need clean up this now.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> One short note about this aircraft:
> It continues to plague the owner with problems. I sold the owner a 1st time
> over hauled engine, it was installed by Randy Thorne, who did an excellent
> job. But this engine has, after an hour or so of run time developed a
> problem of exceedingly high case pressures, which blow huge quantities of
> oil out of the rear case vent and all over the aircraft when RPM is at or
> near cruise settings. Unfortunately, this problem seems (at this time)
> unfixable as no one in the US has the tools, knowledge or the manuals to
> overhaul these engines. This engine has what seems to be a defective blower
> gasket/seal and I am sure I will part it out in an effort to cut my losses.
> I am now arranging to send a replacement engine to Randy. I sincerely hope
> that this solves the problem and the owner can finally get back in the air.
> Maybe in time for Red Star.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
> clean?)
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
> >
> > There are ways to do this without getting everybody's knickers in a knot.
> EBay,
> > Amazon, and others allow individuals to write reviews of products. No
> reason we
> > cannot do the same. To someone contemplating purchasing an airplane they
> can go
> > to the archives and read what people have said. The key is that all
> reviews
> > must involve first-hand experience with the vendor, no "well, I know a guy
> who
> > knows a guy who says ..."
> >
> > All I can say is that I have had direct dealings with Yakity Yaks, Doug
> Sapp,
> > and the Selbys. I have been pleased with the results in all three cases.
> I
> > have picked up an airplane from Andrew Zhang for a student and the student
> is
> > still having trouble with the airplane two years later. In fact, in two
> years
> > he has only been able to fly the airplane about 10 hours.
> >
> > Statements like, "...always keep a large jar of Vasoline with you," are
> > unproductive. Perhaps better would be something with facts and substance.
> >
> > I flew down to Van Nuys to pick up an aircraft for a student. It was
> brought in
> > by Andrew Zhang and assembled by, I believe, Bill Scully. When I went to
> fly
> > the airplane away the battery was dead and the air had leaked away. The
> battery
> > installation was in my opinion marginally airworthy, consisting of a pair
> of
> > motorcycle batteries in series and the battery box had been modified in
> such a
> > way as to preclude any protection for the batteries and wiring. Holes for
> the
> > wires were not properly dressed and chafing was a potential problem.
> >
> > The airplane had been signed off as having completed its phase-1
> requirements
> > but I detected serious pitot-static errors in the ASI in flight. The
> > encoder/altimeter correspondence checks had been signed off in the log.
> Checks
> > with ATC indicated that the altimeter and the encoder agreed within about
> 150'
> > at all altitudes.
> >
> > When I reached Cameron Park I noticed an excessive amount of oil on the
> outside
> > aircraft. Further examination showed that more than one of the cylinders
> had
> > excessively loose cylinder base nuts requiring all the cylinders to be
> removed,
> > the case inspected for fretting, and the cylinders reinstalled with proper
> base
> > gaskets and bolt torque. The pitot/static system was blown out to remove
> > entrapped water and the ASI and other P/S instruments then worked properly
> on
> > the subsequent test flight. Unfortunately the flap extension system
> exhibited
> > problems which required the shuttle valves to be cleaned. It appeared
> they had
> > never been serviced.
> >
> > On the next flight the prop blew a seal during taxi. Fortunately my
> wingman
> > noticed the smoke (the airplane looked like it had a smoke-oil system
> going) and
> > warned me before take-off. Upon shut-down the engine/prop began to dump
> large
> > quantities of oil on the ramp. This was repaired.
> >
> > The paint began to chip off in places indicating that whoever applied the
> paint
> > had not performed proper preparation before applying the paint.
> >
> > The owner came out for dual instruction in the aircraft. We performed the
> > instruction without problems.
> >
> > The airplane began exhibiting an increase in oil consumption but I decided
> to
> > fly it to see if oil consumption would stabilize. I flew it to Red Star
> last
> > year. On take-off to return to Cameron Park the brake cable on the
> forward
> > stick broke as I was taxiing into position on the runway for a formation
> > take-off. I was able to exit the runway under aerodynamic control and
> roll to a
> > stop on the taxi way clear of the runway. The airplane was towed back to
> the
> > ramp and tied down.
> >
> > I returned for the airplane a couple weeks later. The engine exhibited a
> > hydraulic lock which was rectified by removing the lower spark plugs and
> intake
> > drain plugs and pulling the engine through multiple times. There was
> > substantial oil in the cylinders. The engine was pulled through and all
> the oil
> > drained from the cylinders. As it was very hot I went inside for a cup of
> water
> > before returning to depart with the airplane. Since only 10 minutes had
> elapsed
> > since I had cleared the lock I did not pull the engine through again.
> When I
> > started the engine it hydraulic locked when it fired. End of engine.
> >
> > The airplane now has a new engine courtesy of Doug Sapp. I do not know
> where
> > the owner stands in his dealing with Andrew Zhang.
> >
> > Those are facts. You may draw any conclusion you please from them.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sam Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
Yeah! ...and we should gift wrap him (Arnett) together with the 'esteemed
war strategist' Heraldo Rivera and present them both to Sadaam as a 'gift'
to the Iraqi people from the United States of America.
God bless our troops and country.
Sam Sax
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gus Fraser
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Arnett
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
Yes he got the axe, never to transmit again, I hope.
Gus
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--> Yak-List message posted by: JAmund1009@aol.com
Gentlemen: I have been a stalker for some time, but as user of Meigs with a
loathing for Mr. Daley and his ilk, I felt compelled to send him the
following via E-Mail:
Mr. Mayor:
Your despicable decision to render Meigs Field unusable only serves to remind
many of us that freedom in America is rapidly going the way of other nations
where the citizens interests were trampled upon in the name of progress. You
have not only, in the year of the 100th anniversary of powered flight,
destroyed a landmark, you have damaged a business tool which is vital to your
city's economy. I also doubt that any of us who think your decision was
self-serving will again visit Chicago with our tourist dollars at least as
long as you are in office. On previous visits I have noted several acres of
park space within easy walking distance of Meigs field. Why is it necessary
to grab Meigs for the same use when it is apparent to alert observers that
the other space is under-utilized?
Not at all pleased,
J.D. Amundson
Colonel USAF Retired
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| Subject: | Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) |
Owes Jim Selby money?
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
Mark,
If you are sure that I owes Jim Selby money, why don't you hire a lawyer for him.
Because he doesn't have much money but you have. If I say Jim Selby owes my
parts, can you hire a lawyer for me? You will be a "hero". I know we are business
compactor, but don't do like kids. Ok? Boy.You are really let me despise
you now.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?)
Owes Jim Selby money?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
>
> Brian,
>
> Good, straight forward reporting.... I bet the owner wishes he heard from
> you earlier.
>
> This is why it is important that we continue to discuss ANY issues on this
> news-group due to the
> important nature of the issues being raised. As long as they are facts and
> not hear-say or rumors. This would be a great place to vent for reform.
>
> A lot of good comments in the past few days and very constructive for all to
> read.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
I remember you sold this engine for $12,000. is it right?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Zheng (China)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
>
> Doug,
> Is the engine without any information(no log book, no records...even don't know
where the engine come from)that you wanted to me to find out some information
from China for you. How do you know it is first time overhauled engine now?
You need clean up this now.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?)
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> >
> > One short note about this aircraft:
> > It continues to plague the owner with problems. I sold the owner a 1st time
> > over hauled engine, it was installed by Randy Thorne, who did an excellent
> > job. But this engine has, after an hour or so of run time developed a
> > problem of exceedingly high case pressures, which blow huge quantities of
> > oil out of the rear case vent and all over the aircraft when RPM is at or
> > near cruise settings. Unfortunately, this problem seems (at this time)
> > unfixable as no one in the US has the tools, knowledge or the manuals to
> > overhaul these engines. This engine has what seems to be a defective blower
> > gasket/seal and I am sure I will part it out in an effort to cut my losses.
> > I am now arranging to send a replacement engine to Randy. I sincerely hope
> > that this solves the problem and the owner can finally get back in the air.
> > Maybe in time for Red Star.
> >
> > Always Yakin,
> > Doug Sapp
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
> > clean?)
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
> > >
> > > There are ways to do this without getting everybody's knickers in a knot.
> > EBay,
> > > Amazon, and others allow individuals to write reviews of products. No
> > reason we
> > > cannot do the same. To someone contemplating purchasing an airplane they
> > can go
> > > to the archives and read what people have said. The key is that all
> > reviews
> > > must involve first-hand experience with the vendor, no "well, I know a guy
> > who
> > > knows a guy who says ..."
> > >
> > > All I can say is that I have had direct dealings with Yakity Yaks, Doug
> > Sapp,
> > > and the Selbys. I have been pleased with the results in all three cases.
> > I
> > > have picked up an airplane from Andrew Zhang for a student and the student
> > is
> > > still having trouble with the airplane two years later. In fact, in two
> > years
> > > he has only been able to fly the airplane about 10 hours.
> > >
> > > Statements like, "...always keep a large jar of Vasoline with you," are
> > > unproductive. Perhaps better would be something with facts and substance.
> > >
> > > I flew down to Van Nuys to pick up an aircraft for a student. It was
> > brought in
> > > by Andrew Zhang and assembled by, I believe, Bill Scully. When I went to
> > fly
> > > the airplane away the battery was dead and the air had leaked away. The
> > battery
> > > installation was in my opinion marginally airworthy, consisting of a pair
> > of
> > > motorcycle batteries in series and the battery box had been modified in
> > such a
> > > way as to preclude any protection for the batteries and wiring. Holes for
> > the
> > > wires were not properly dressed and chafing was a potential problem.
> > >
> > > The airplane had been signed off as having completed its phase-1
> > requirements
> > > but I detected serious pitot-static errors in the ASI in flight. The
> > > encoder/altimeter correspondence checks had been signed off in the log.
> > Checks
> > > with ATC indicated that the altimeter and the encoder agreed within about
> > 150'
> > > at all altitudes.
> > >
> > > When I reached Cameron Park I noticed an excessive amount of oil on the
> > outside
> > > aircraft. Further examination showed that more than one of the cylinders
> > had
> > > excessively loose cylinder base nuts requiring all the cylinders to be
> > removed,
> > > the case inspected for fretting, and the cylinders reinstalled with proper
> > base
> > > gaskets and bolt torque. The pitot/static system was blown out to remove
> > > entrapped water and the ASI and other P/S instruments then worked properly
> > on
> > > the subsequent test flight. Unfortunately the flap extension system
> > exhibited
> > > problems which required the shuttle valves to be cleaned. It appeared
> > they had
> > > never been serviced.
> > >
> > > On the next flight the prop blew a seal during taxi. Fortunately my
> > wingman
> > > noticed the smoke (the airplane looked like it had a smoke-oil system
> > going) and
> > > warned me before take-off. Upon shut-down the engine/prop began to dump
> > large
> > > quantities of oil on the ramp. This was repaired.
> > >
> > > The paint began to chip off in places indicating that whoever applied the
> > paint
> > > had not performed proper preparation before applying the paint.
> > >
> > > The owner came out for dual instruction in the aircraft. We performed the
> > > instruction without problems.
> > >
> > > The airplane began exhibiting an increase in oil consumption but I decided
> > to
> > > fly it to see if oil consumption would stabilize. I flew it to Red Star
> > last
> > > year. On take-off to return to Cameron Park the brake cable on the
> > forward
> > > stick broke as I was taxiing into position on the runway for a formation
> > > take-off. I was able to exit the runway under aerodynamic control and
> > roll to a
> > > stop on the taxi way clear of the runway. The airplane was towed back to
> > the
> > > ramp and tied down.
> > >
> > > I returned for the airplane a couple weeks later. The engine exhibited a
> > > hydraulic lock which was rectified by removing the lower spark plugs and
> > intake
> > > drain plugs and pulling the engine through multiple times. There was
> > > substantial oil in the cylinders. The engine was pulled through and all
> > the oil
> > > drained from the cylinders. As it was very hot I went inside for a cup of
> > water
> > > before returning to depart with the airplane. Since only 10 minutes had
> > elapsed
> > > since I had cleared the lock I did not pull the engine through again.
> > When I
> > > started the engine it hydraulic locked when it fired. End of engine.
> > >
> > > The airplane now has a new engine courtesy of Doug Sapp. I do not know
> > where
> > > the owner stands in his dealing with Andrew Zhang.
> > >
> > > Those are facts. You may draw any conclusion you please from them.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> > > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> > > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
I flew Lee Buchocks Cj yesterday at El Monte. I was surprised how light it was
on the controls.
Lee is a very knowledgeable owner and the aircraft is a Zheng import. Lee tells
me he is satisfied in his dealings with Andrew.
There are three sides to every disagreement and we have not heard the other two.
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| Subject: | Re: Meigs Field TORN UP........Here is the mayors email address |
--> Yak-List message posted by: EyeBLS@aol.com
In a message dated 3/31/2003 4:53:20 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
schrick@pacbell.net writes:
I just emailed both of the above addresses. I am afraid that I was not
polite.
eyeballs
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Bob M;
This email list goes around the world. In light of that I'm not afraid
to say that the situation we find ourselves in here in the United
States, with airspace closures, elimination of airports, the Patriot
Act, new homeland security measures, beefing up port security, increased
border security, anti-aircraft missiles surrounding Washington,
biological war preparations, cops with AR-15 patrolling our cities, the
ripping up of airports and other actions designed to restrict our
freedoms, are all a direct result of unchecked immigration of peoples
with an Islamic background. As we all know, there are sleeper islamic
agents in this country bent on doing us harm.
We were a much better country 50 years ago before we allowed the
heathens to populate our country. islam (notice the
capitalization......I consider islam a cult, not a religion) will
forever be incompatible with freedom. Until we realize that we will
continue to loose our cherished freedoms. I just can't see the FBI, CIA
and local law enforcement as being effective against the current 7
million muslims in this country. Just look at that bastard that threw
hand grenades at our own troops! He was embedded in our society and
embedded in our military. He's just the tip of the iceberg!
Granted, not all are a threat but enough are suspected of holding strong
enough anti-Jewish and anti-American views to cause them to seek action.
The current thinking is that embedded islamic radicals are dispersing
poisons into our food supply. These poison attacks aren't designed to
kill right away, but to kill slowly over time......... so as not to stir
a hornets nest. Note the recent speech by Bush detailing homeland
security measures designed to protect our food supply. For cryin' out
loud!......he's askin' for monitoring of our crops! What pisses me off
is that this isn't covered in the current media reports in deference to
political correctness for muslims. Ask yourself this question....would
you allow an muslim to handle your food supply? Would you trust them
without question?
Freedom, understanding and tolerance are a great thing for most peoples
of the world. But you have to have a people who want that kind of thing.
Unfortunately, extreme islam chooses not to be part of that. They seek a
theocracy for the world's peoples. Despite the moderate islam people we
are made aware of, islam will forever breed violent intentions against
non-believers of their religion.......... until time immemorial. They
see the words of the koran as the word of God and no one can change
that. Regrettably, America and Israel are their current focus.
I cherish my freedoms......but until islam becomes non-radical we are in
store for a continued loss of our freedoms in the name of national
security. islam views secular countries like ours as the enemy. Get used
to it! Which one of you bastards wants to continue unchecked islamic
immigration?
Frank
Just on local news. Meigs Field on Chicago's lakefront was abruptly
closed without warning Sunday evening. Furthermore, heavy equipment was
brought in and the runway (or at least a portion in the middle) is being
ripped out. The airport is now NOTAM'd as closed indefinitely.
Although there is no official word yet from the City of Chicago, it is
being assumed this elimination of Meigs was performed in name of
Homeland Security due to the airport's location just SE of downtown
Chicago which is now a no-fly zone. The news footage actually showed
some airplanes sitting on the ramp while the runway was being torn out.
I suspect the owners/pilots of these aircraft will have to remove the
wings and truck them out. Maybe, if the taxi way is left intact long
enough, these aircraft will be permitted to depart from the taxi way.
If not, pull out the wrenches and back up the truck. That's assuming of
course the pilots will even be allowed access to the airport. Right now
the p! olice have closed all access to the airport and are not allowing
anyone to enter except the demolition crew. What an incredibly
demoralizing sight.
Bob M.
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Stripping that stubborn, yellow zinc chromate primer |
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tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,
USER_IN_WHITELIST
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <lannon@look.ca>
Hi Brian;
The CJ6, at least the older airframes, are definately anodized. I have noted
that 1969 models used fewer anodized skin panels than earlier examples so it
is possible that it has been eliminated in later production for economic
reasons.
As for the Yak 52 I made another (probably dumb!) assumption since I have
never seen a stripped one.
There are different anodizing processes. The gold coloured CJ process
appears the same as Grumman and other manufacturers used in years gone by.
The only one I know of currently using it is Canadair with the CL215 and
CL415 Fire Bombers.
Hamilton Standard used a slightly different process for prop. blades. This
produced a mottled grey finish and was standard procedure during the 1940 -
1960 period. We had the facilities to re-andodize after blade overhaul but
eventually discontinued it as unnecessarily expensive.
Anodizing has many non-aviation uses. Virtually all aluminum household
fixtures are anodized, usually with no colouring though almost any colour
can be produced. There are also varying degrees of surface hardness. One
process we refered to as Hard Anodize was used on some internal propellor
al. alloy parts to increase wear resistance from seal contact.
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Stripping that stubborn, yellow zinc chromate primer
tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> Walt Lannon wrote:
> > The CJ6 alum. alloy is actually anodized. I suspect the Yak52 is the
same.
>
> Are you sure? It sure looks like alodine to me.
>
> > It is an electro-chemical etching process that leaves a very durable
coating
> > on the surface. Alodine is a chemical (chromic acid) process that also
> > leaves a protective coat but is far less durable than anodize. It's main
> > advantage is to prevent the formation of aluminum oxide before priming
and
> > therefore improve primer adhesion. Etching with phosphoric acid prior to
> > painting removes the al. oxide coat. Oxidation will begin again almost
> > immediately afterward. Alodine delays that process.
> >
> > Anodizing is rarely seen on Western aircraft any more except for the
very
> > expensive varieties. It is probably still a requirement for US Navy
> > aircraft.
>
> I used to specify anodizing to make aluminum panels more durable for some
> non-aviation products I used to build but I was always concerned about
making
> the aluminum too brittle so I never spec'd that for high-stress parts.
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
>
>
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| Subject: | ( Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) Owes Jim Selby money? |
Lots of MONEY!!!!
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
I think that was well stated by Andrew. Don't you?
I think what we have ALL written and expressed in the past few days has been
very constructive. Only the people involved with Andrew have actually stated
facts. The name calling could have been removed but facts were stated by the
people involved in the transactions.
Andrew if you own Jim Selby money then take it off line and pay him for the
work he completed on the six CJ's that he assembled, re-stored, and
corrected broken items when they arrived in the US. Then we as a group can
move on to better and more productive issues.
I don't need to be a "hero" but only in my children's eyes.
Be a man and pay your debts if owed.......
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Zheng
(China)
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to
come clean?) Owes Jim Selby money?
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
Mark,
If you are sure that I owes Jim Selby money, why don't you hire a lawyer for
him. Because he doesn't have much money but you have. If I say Jim Selby
owes my parts, can you hire a lawyer for me? You will be a "hero". I know we
are business compactor, but don't do like kids. Ok? Boy.You are really let
me despise you now.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
clean?) Owes Jim Selby money?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
>
> Brian,
>
> Good, straight forward reporting.... I bet the owner wishes he heard from
> you earlier.
>
> This is why it is important that we continue to discuss ANY issues on this
> news-group due to the
> important nature of the issues being raised. As long as they are facts and
> not hear-say or rumors. This would be a great place to vent for reform.
>
> A lot of good comments in the past few days and very constructive for all
to
> read.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark
>
>
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| Subject: | ( Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) No way.............. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
It sounds like Doug is doing the right thing and is taking responsibility
for the problem.
This is why Doug Sapp continues to have a great reputation within the Yak /
CJ community.
I enjoy doing business with Doug and will continue to do so.
Regards,
Mark (Kum-Bi-Ya)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Zheng
(China)
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to
come clean?)
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
Doug,
Is the engine without any information(no log book, no records...even don't
know where the engine come from)that you wanted to me to find out some
information from China for you. How do you know it is first time overhauled
engine now? You need clean up this now.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
clean?)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> One short note about this aircraft:
> It continues to plague the owner with problems. I sold the owner a 1st
time
> over hauled engine, it was installed by Randy Thorne, who did an excellent
> job. But this engine has, after an hour or so of run time developed a
> problem of exceedingly high case pressures, which blow huge quantities of
> oil out of the rear case vent and all over the aircraft when RPM is at or
> near cruise settings. Unfortunately, this problem seems (at this time)
> unfixable as no one in the US has the tools, knowledge or the manuals to
> overhaul these engines. This engine has what seems to be a defective
blower
> gasket/seal and I am sure I will part it out in an effort to cut my
losses.
> I am now arranging to send a replacement engine to Randy. I sincerely
hope
> that this solves the problem and the owner can finally get back in the
air.
> Maybe in time for Red Star.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
> clean?)
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
> >
> > There are ways to do this without getting everybody's knickers in a
knot.
> EBay,
> > Amazon, and others allow individuals to write reviews of products. No
> reason we
> > cannot do the same. To someone contemplating purchasing an airplane
they
> can go
> > to the archives and read what people have said. The key is that all
> reviews
> > must involve first-hand experience with the vendor, no "well, I know a
guy
> who
> > knows a guy who says ..."
> >
> > All I can say is that I have had direct dealings with Yakity Yaks, Doug
> Sapp,
> > and the Selbys. I have been pleased with the results in all three
cases.
> I
> > have picked up an airplane from Andrew Zhang for a student and the
student
> is
> > still having trouble with the airplane two years later. In fact, in two
> years
> > he has only been able to fly the airplane about 10 hours.
> >
> > Statements like, "...always keep a large jar of Vasoline with you," are
> > unproductive. Perhaps better would be something with facts and
substance.
> >
> > I flew down to Van Nuys to pick up an aircraft for a student. It was
> brought in
> > by Andrew Zhang and assembled by, I believe, Bill Scully. When I went
to
> fly
> > the airplane away the battery was dead and the air had leaked away. The
> battery
> > installation was in my opinion marginally airworthy, consisting of a
pair
> of
> > motorcycle batteries in series and the battery box had been modified in
> such a
> > way as to preclude any protection for the batteries and wiring. Holes
for
> the
> > wires were not properly dressed and chafing was a potential problem.
> >
> > The airplane had been signed off as having completed its phase-1
> requirements
> > but I detected serious pitot-static errors in the ASI in flight. The
> > encoder/altimeter correspondence checks had been signed off in the log.
> Checks
> > with ATC indicated that the altimeter and the encoder agreed within
about
> 150'
> > at all altitudes.
> >
> > When I reached Cameron Park I noticed an excessive amount of oil on the
> outside
> > aircraft. Further examination showed that more than one of the
cylinders
> had
> > excessively loose cylinder base nuts requiring all the cylinders to be
> removed,
> > the case inspected for fretting, and the cylinders reinstalled with
proper
> base
> > gaskets and bolt torque. The pitot/static system was blown out to
remove
> > entrapped water and the ASI and other P/S instruments then worked
properly
> on
> > the subsequent test flight. Unfortunately the flap extension system
> exhibited
> > problems which required the shuttle valves to be cleaned. It appeared
> they had
> > never been serviced.
> >
> > On the next flight the prop blew a seal during taxi. Fortunately my
> wingman
> > noticed the smoke (the airplane looked like it had a smoke-oil system
> going) and
> > warned me before take-off. Upon shut-down the engine/prop began to dump
> large
> > quantities of oil on the ramp. This was repaired.
> >
> > The paint began to chip off in places indicating that whoever applied
the
> paint
> > had not performed proper preparation before applying the paint.
> >
> > The owner came out for dual instruction in the aircraft. We performed
the
> > instruction without problems.
> >
> > The airplane began exhibiting an increase in oil consumption but I
decided
> to
> > fly it to see if oil consumption would stabilize. I flew it to Red Star
> last
> > year. On take-off to return to Cameron Park the brake cable on the
> forward
> > stick broke as I was taxiing into position on the runway for a formation
> > take-off. I was able to exit the runway under aerodynamic control and
> roll to a
> > stop on the taxi way clear of the runway. The airplane was towed back
to
> the
> > ramp and tied down.
> >
> > I returned for the airplane a couple weeks later. The engine exhibited
a
> > hydraulic lock which was rectified by removing the lower spark plugs and
> intake
> > drain plugs and pulling the engine through multiple times. There was
> > substantial oil in the cylinders. The engine was pulled through and all
> the oil
> > drained from the cylinders. As it was very hot I went inside for a cup
of
> water
> > before returning to depart with the airplane. Since only 10 minutes had
> elapsed
> > since I had cleared the lock I did not pull the engine through again.
> When I
> > started the engine it hydraulic locked when it fired. End of engine.
> >
> > The airplane now has a new engine courtesy of Doug Sapp. I do not know
> where
> > the owner stands in his dealing with Andrew Zhang.
> >
> > Those are facts. You may draw any conclusion you please from them.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Copy of a letter to the mayor of Chicago about Meigs |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
OK, so I tend to be outspoken when it comes to protecting our freedoms.
I make no apologies..especially when it comes to my right to fly.
Thought you guys might like this email I sent to the Mayor of Chicago.
Dear Mayor;
The problem with your decision to close Meigs airfield is that it
contributes to that slow, gradual erosion of our cherished freedoms. In
and of itself, this closure amounts to nothing except maybe more
housing, shopping malls or increased national security. But imagine the
closing of city parks, recreation areas and other places where people
can be free and live the kind of lives that makes them want to live and
be free.
Don't you get it?
What good is living your life and slaving at work to live the life of
your dreams if guys like you eliminate those little things that we work,
live-for and cherish? The closure of Meigs Field is just but one of the
many little actions that government has taken or is taking that results
in the gradual loss of our most precious freedoms.
You were shortsighted in your decision to close the airfield. We are all
that much poorer by your eliminating what is one small part of a public,
recreational and cultural resource.
Your closure of the airfield is like eliminating a museum, like closing
a lake to boating, like outlawing hot rod cars, like making everyone
wear helmets, or making any other decision that eliminates the manner
in which people can go to enjoy themselves and live their lives..what
good is life if government types like you keep closing our recreational
areas, outlawing our behaviors or eliminating those places where we
choose to do the things we chose to do?
You're a typical, non-caring, government bastard who cares little for
our freedoms!
Frank
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" <jimscjs@mbay.net>
I had the misfortune of Trusting Andrew and Jennifer over a 2 year period
and cost me allot of money, they were very dishonest in there business
dealings with me, all's I'll say is keep a large Jar of Vaseline close by
when dealing with them, all will look good for awhile then you will get the
big weenie from them, ask around before you deal with them, this has been
going on for along time with them.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jay reiter
Subject: Yak-List: Cj6 flight
--> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
I flew Lee Buchocks Cj yesterday at El Monte. I was surprised how light it
was on the controls.
Lee is a very knowledgeable owner and the aircraft is a Zheng import. Lee
tells me he is satisfied in his dealings with Andrew.
There are three sides to every disagreement and we have not heard the other
two.
---
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Mail-Followup-To: Wes Warner <wes@lppcs.com>,
--> Yak-List message posted by: Wes Warner <wes@lppcs.com>
Hi,
I recently stripped any painted my Yak 55M and the fuse seemed to me to
be anodized. If I'm not mistaken, alodine is a brownish clear color and can
be removed with scotchbrite and water. My plane was a greenish yellow color
and scotchbrite couldn't do any damage to the coating. I had several people
tell me that it wasn't alodine also. HTH
Wes
--
Time to go to... Group Therapy.
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| Subject: | Re: ( Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) Owes Jim Selby money? |
Lots of MONEY!!!!
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
Mark,
What evidences do you have that I own Jim Selby money(also six CJs).If you don't
have that in truly, you crime for frame and damager my business.I have all back
up documents and ready to court. If you loss in the case, do you ready to
pay for the damager? I had a contract for 30 CJs one year ago and I had a new
one few months ago for another 20 CJs. I know you don't want be a "hero",you just
use a incorrect way to compete to the business with me. You are not in help
Jim. Do I am right? Did you saw a lots parts in Jim Selby hanger? that are mine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Subject: Yak-List: ( Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) Owes Jim Selby money?
Lots of MONEY!!!!
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
>
> I think that was well stated by Andrew. Don't you?
>
> I think what we have ALL written and expressed in the past few days has been
> very constructive. Only the people involved with Andrew have actually stated
> facts. The name calling could have been removed but facts were stated by the
> people involved in the transactions.
>
> Andrew if you own Jim Selby money then take it off line and pay him for the
> work he completed on the six CJ's that he assembled, re-stored, and
> corrected broken items when they arrived in the US. Then we as a group can
> move on to better and more productive issues.
>
> I don't need to be a "hero" but only in my children's eyes.
>
> Be a man and pay your debts if owed.......
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Zheng
> (China)
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to
> come clean?) Owes Jim Selby money?
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
>
> Mark,
> If you are sure that I owes Jim Selby money, why don't you hire a lawyer for
> him. Because he doesn't have much money but you have. If I say Jim Selby
> owes my parts, can you hire a lawyer for me? You will be a "hero". I know we
> are business compactor, but don't do like kids. Ok? Boy.You are really let
> me despise you now.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
> clean?) Owes Jim Selby money?
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
> >
> > Brian,
> >
> > Good, straight forward reporting.... I bet the owner wishes he heard from
> > you earlier.
> >
> > This is why it is important that we continue to discuss ANY issues on this
> > news-group due to the
> > important nature of the issues being raised. As long as they are facts and
> > not hear-say or rumors. This would be a great place to vent for reform.
> >
> > A lot of good comments in the past few days and very constructive for all
> to
> > read.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
Jim,
Do you still have some of my parts like you said "too many parts here,"Chinese
air force have to order parts from here".I knew you sold many of them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Selby" <jimscjs@mbay.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Cj6 flight
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" <jimscjs@mbay.net>
>
> I had the misfortune of Trusting Andrew and Jennifer over a 2 year period
> and cost me allot of money, they were very dishonest in there business
> dealings with me, all's I'll say is keep a large Jar of Vaseline close by
> when dealing with them, all will look good for awhile then you will get the
> big weenie from them, ask around before you deal with them, this has been
> going on for along time with them.
> Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jay reiter
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Cj6 flight
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
>
> I flew Lee Buchocks Cj yesterday at El Monte. I was surprised how light it
> was on the controls.
>
> Lee is a very knowledgeable owner and the aircraft is a Zheng import. Lee
> tells me he is satisfied in his dealings with Andrew.
>
> There are three sides to every disagreement and we have not heard the other
> two.
>
>
> ---
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>
> ---
>
>
>
>
>
>
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