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1. 03:19 AM - Re:Who owes who? (Andrew Zheng)
2. 03:30 AM - Re: Re:Who owes who? (Gus Fraser)
3. 04:12 AM - FW: (Frank Haertlein)
4. 04:34 AM - Re: Re:Who owes who? (Brian Lloyd)
5. 04:38 AM - Re: Cj6 flight (Brian Lloyd)
6. 05:05 AM - Re: Meigs Field TORN UP........Here is the mayors email (Brian Lloyd)
7. 05:15 AM - Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come (Brian Lloyd)
8. 05:28 AM - Re: Meigs Closed (Brian Lloyd)
9. 05:32 AM - Re: Meigs Field TORN UP........Here is the mayors email (Gus Fraser)
10. 05:47 AM - Well said Brian (Kevin Pilling)
11. 06:11 AM - Re: Copy of a letter to the mayor of Chicago about Meigs (Cy Galley)
12. 06:15 AM - Re: Meigs Field TORN UP........Here is the mayors email (Brian Lloyd)
13. 06:31 AM - Email Jackass Daley (Tom Johnson)
14. 06:55 AM - Poetic Justice (Walt Fricke)
15. 07:06 AM - Re: ( Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) Owes Jim Selby money? Lots of MONEY!!!! (Mark Schrick)
16. 07:30 AM - Re: ( Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) Owes Jim Selby money? Lots of MONEY!!!! (alikatz@mbay.net)
17. 07:36 AM - Re: Cj6 flight (alikatz@mbay.net)
18. 07:39 AM - Re: ( Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) Owes Jim Selby money? Lots of MONEY!!!! (alikatz@mbay.net)
19. 07:53 AM - the UK (Barry Hancock)
20. 07:56 AM - Re: Re:Who owes who? (alikatz@mbay.net)
21. 08:03 AM - Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) (Andrew Zheng \(China\))
22. 08:04 AM - Re: Re:Who owes who? (Andrew Zheng \(China\))
23. 08:10 AM - Re: Re:Who owes who? (alikatz@mbay.net)
24. 08:51 AM - Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come (Brian Lloyd)
25. 09:08 AM - Re: Re:Who owes who? (Brian Lloyd)
26. 09:49 AM - Re: Re:Who owes who? (alikatz@mbay.net)
27. 09:50 AM - Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY... (Matt Dralle)
28. 10:08 AM - Meigs Field (Yakjock)
29. 10:47 AM - Wow!! You guys are scaring me from buying a CJ6 (J.D. Lau)
30. 01:05 PM - Stripped 55M pics (Wes Warner)
31. 01:15 PM - Re: Wow!! You guys are scaring me from buying a CJ6 (alikatz@mbay.net)
32. 01:24 PM - Re: Stripped 55M pics (Mark Schrick)
33. 01:28 PM - Re: Wow!! You guys are scaring me from buying a CJ6 (Mark Schrick)
34. 01:45 PM - Re: Wow!! You guys are scaring me from buying a CJ6 (YakL1@aol.com)
35. 02:27 PM - Re: Wow!! You guys are scaring me from buying a CJ6 (ByronMFox@aol.com)
36. 03:48 PM - Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) (Doug)
37. 04:04 PM - Re: Meigs Field TORN UP........Here is the mayors email (Gus Fraser)
38. 04:34 PM - My photo flight to Meigs (ATPCFIMD@aol.com)
39. 04:35 PM - Re: Meigs Field TORN UP........Here is the mayors (Roy O. Wright)
40. 06:01 PM - Re: Wow!! You guys are scaring me from buying a CJ6 (Rick Basiliere)
41. 06:50 PM - Re: Stripped 55M pics (Walt Lannon)
42. 08:35 PM - CJ trailer (jay reiter)
43. 09:50 PM - generator (Lou Dakos)
44. 09:55 PM - Re: CJ trailer (Doug)
45. 10:15 PM - The politically correct Brian Loyd (Frank Haertlein)
46. 10:29 PM - Re: Poetic Justice (Frank Haertlein)
47. 10:38 PM - Re: Wow!! You guys are scaring me from buying a CJ6 (Ray P. Stallings)
48. 11:25 PM - Re: generator (Walt Lannon)
49. 11:25 PM - Re: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (William Halverson)
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| Subject: | Re:Who owes who? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Andrew Zheng <goldtel@shaw.ca>
You have made fortune from our planes. It was us who had misfortune of trusting
you. We invested along huge amount to bring 8 CJs to you. You didn't invest a
penny. We paid you all expenses occurred to assemble these CJs, including your
son's 1st day unloading the planes which is $17.43 per hour @ 40 hours (He volunteered
to take one week off to help the unloading); small items such as little
brush @ $0.39 each, copy at office Depot @ $0.05 per sheet, $1,99 each of
file binders, $3.15 each of working gloves, $3.29 of clean towels, solvent to
clean the planes, etc.; large items such as batteries, all instruments needed
to be converted to US ones, fabric tester, fabric iron, cockpit ID for all 8
planes, 24 log books from Aircraft Spruce for the planes; even for the 2 planes
we sold at "as is" condition that customers trucked away, you complained that
you could not make money from them, we paid you $2000 as compensation though
you didn't do any work on them; not mention the oil and fuel for test fly & demo
fly as well as the labor we agreed on the assembly work. Yes, we also paid
$200 for another mechanic to sign off the plane because you are not an A&P that
not be able to sign off our planes, which you never mentioned to us until we
saw the bill. We paid every thing on these 8 CJs. What did you pay? Can you
give one example that was expense for our 8 CJs that we didn't pay? We even paid
you parts to repair other people's planes. You are sort of person that only
takes, never gives. And no matter how much you receive, you never appreciate
it. I can't image what could cost you lots of money? We were the solo investor.
It was us that brought you lots of business and it was our 8 CJs that brought
food to 2 of your families tables. As return, what did you do to us? You quoted
our potential customers $30,000 to assemble our planes that scared everybody
away. Finally we made deal between one customer and you. However, after agreement
signed and all documents and the payment sent to the escrow account, you
increased your pr
ice by thousands of dollars. What we could do? The only thing we could do to sell
our planes was to agree and to lower our own price to fulfill the agreement.
You knew clearly that whatever you request, we have to agree because the planes
were at your place and we are nonprofessional, besides far away. As a mechanic,
if you say the job needs 1000 hours, it is a 1000 hours' job. We as aircraft
owner, have no choice but pay that 1000 hours work. So after the 1st plane
assembled, you kept increase your price, plane by plane. Even through we didn't
quite understand at that time why you were doing this (Now we understand completely.
It was because at that time you had already started to import your
CJs. You were saving my customers for your own planes), we still paid all the
bills you sent over unless it was your own bill.
Jim Selby, we didn't treat you bad and we don't owe you any thing. It is you that
owe us, both on morality and money. Look at your hanger that full of CJ parts.
How much did you pay for them? Did you pay us a penny? You said you would
send all the money over every time you sold the parts and just get some commission.
Almost 3 years so far, I don't recall I paid you any commission on the parts
because we never received any payment. I was wondering, when you use our
parts as your money making tools, do you feel comfortable? As Dave King said,
"one key to continued success in American business is prompt payment of debts."
Also, Mark Shrick comments a few times: "It is wise to pay ones debts." So please
pay us for the parts. Then you can use these parts or sell them without
misgivings.
After we realized that you had been cheating us and taking away our customers,
and our planes became worse and worse, we just quickly sold our last planes at
cost to get ride of them and walk away from you without saying any thing bad
about you. However, you kept to make falsehood slandering us, to cover your dishonest,
dishonorable business practice and your base and vile characters. We
didn't bother to lower ourselves explaining this because we know we didn't do
any thing wrong to you. For these facts and figures, we never published them before,
even through some people kept asking, because we still try to save you
some face hoping you might have little conscious as citizen of civilized society.
However, you are too shameless and you have gone too far.
Finally, this sure is a freedom country that people can say whatever they want
to say. But, I still think Yak-list is a public place that making false statements
and spreading out rumors which might damage other's reputation or business
are not moral conducts, at least not accountable. As someone said: "we are all
big boys (and girls), and are full accountable for our words."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Selby" <jimscjs@mbay.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Cj6 flight
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" <jimscjs@mbay.net>
>
> I had the misfortune of Trusting Andrew and Jennifer over a 2 year period
> and cost me allot of money, they were very dishonest in there business
> dealings with me, all's I'll say is keep a large Jar of Vaseline close by
> when dealing with them, all will look good for awhile then you will get the
> big weenie from them, ask around before you deal with them, this has been
> going on for along time with them.
> Jim
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| Subject: | Re:Who owes who? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
OK guys take it outside.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Zheng
Subject: Yak-List: Re:Who owes who?
--> Yak-List message posted by: Andrew Zheng <goldtel@shaw.ca>
You have made fortune from our planes. It was us who had misfortune of
trusting you. We invested along huge amount to bring 8 CJs to you. You
didn't invest a penny. We paid you all expenses occurred to assemble these
CJs, including your son's 1st day unloading the planes which is $17.43 per
hour @ 40 hours (He volunteered to take one week off to help the unloading);
small items such as little brush @ $0.39 each, copy at office Depot @ $0.05
per sheet, $1,99 each of file binders, $3.15 each of working gloves, $3.29
of clean towels, solvent to clean the planes, etc.; large items such as
batteries, all instruments needed to be converted to US ones, fabric tester,
fabric iron, cockpit ID for all 8 planes, 24 log books from Aircraft Spruce
for the planes; even for the 2 planes we sold at "as is" condition that
customers trucked away, you complained that you could not make money from
them, we paid you $2000 as compensation though you didn't do any work on
them; not mention the oil!
and fuel for test fly & demo fly as well as the labor we agreed on the
assembly work. Yes, we also paid $200 for another mechanic to sign off the
plane because you are not an A&P that not be able to sign off our planes,
which you never mentioned to us until we saw the bill. We paid every thing
on these 8 CJs. What did you pay? Can you give one example that was expense
for our 8 CJs that we didn't pay? We even paid you parts to repair other
people's planes. You are sort of person that only takes, never gives. And no
matter how much you receive, you never appreciate it. I can't image what
could cost you lots of money? We were the solo investor. It was us that
brought you lots of business and it was our 8 CJs that brought food to 2 of
your families tables. As return, what did you do to us? You quoted our
potential customers $30,000 to assemble our planes that scared everybody
away. Finally we made deal between one customer and you. However, after
agreement signed and all docum!
ents and the payment sent to the escrow account, you increased your pr
ice by thousands of dollars. What we could do? The only thing we could do to
sell our planes was to agree and to lower our own price to fulfill the
agreement. You knew clearly that whatever you request, we have to agree
because the planes were at your place and we are nonprofessional, besides
far away. As a mechanic, if you say the job needs 1000 hours, it is a 1000
hours' job. We as aircraft owner, have no choice but pay that 1000 hours
work. So after the 1st plane assembled, you kept increase your price, plane
by plane. Even through we didn't quite understand at that time why you were
doing this (Now we understand completely. It was because at that time you
had already started to import your CJs. You were saving my customers for
your own planes), we still paid all the bills you sent over unless it was
your own bill.
Jim Selby, we didn't treat you bad and we don't owe you any thing. It is you
that owe us, both on morality and money. Look at your hanger that full of CJ
parts. How much did you pay for them? Did you pay us a penny? You said you
would send all the money over every time you sold the parts and just get
some commission. Almost 3 years so far, I don't recall I paid you any
commission on the parts because we never received any payment. I was
wondering, when you use our parts as your money making tools, do you feel
comfortable? As Dave King said, "one key to continued success in American
business is prompt payment of debts." Also, Mark Shrick comments a few
times: "It is wise to pay ones debts." So please pay us for the parts. Then
you can use these parts or sell them without misgivings.
After we realized that you had been cheating us and taking away our
customers, and our planes became worse and worse, we just quickly sold our
last planes at cost to get ride of them and walk away from you without
saying any thing bad about you. However, you kept to make falsehood
slandering us, to cover your dishonest, dishonorable business practice and
your base and vile characters. We didn't bother to lower ourselves
explaining this because we know we didn't do any thing wrong to you. For
these facts and figures, we never published them before, even through some
people kept asking, because we still try to save you some face hoping you
might have little conscious as citizen of civilized society. However, you
are too shameless and you have gone too far.
Finally, this sure is a freedom country that people can say whatever they
want to say. But, I still think Yak-list is a public place that making false
statements and spreading out rumors which might damage other's reputation or
business are not moral conducts, at least not accountable. As someone said:
"we are all big boys (and girls), and are full accountable for our words."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Selby" <jimscjs@mbay.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Cj6 flight
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" <jimscjs@mbay.net>
>
> I had the misfortune of Trusting Andrew and Jennifer over a 2 year period
> and cost me allot of money, they were very dishonest in there business
> dealings with me, all's I'll say is keep a large Jar of Vaseline close by
> when dealing with them, all will look good for awhile then you will get
the
> big weenie from them, ask around before you deal with them, this has been
> going on for along time with them.
> Jim
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Jim;
Here's one for you...Takes a bit to download............
Frank
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| Subject: | Re:Who owes who? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Andrew Zheng wrote:
> Jim Selby, we didn't treat you bad and we don't owe you any thing. It is you
> that owe us, both on morality and money. Look at your hanger that full of CJ
> parts. How much did you pay for them? Did you pay us a penny? You said you
> would send all the money over every time you sold the parts and just get some
> commission. Almost 3 years so far, I don't recall I paid you any commission
> on the parts because we never received any payment. I was wondering, when you
> use our parts as your money making tools, do you feel comfortable? As Dave
> King said, "one key to continued success in American business is prompt
> payment of debts." Also, Mark Shrick comments a few times: "It is wise to pay
> ones debts." So please pay us for the parts. Then you can use these parts or
> sell them without misgivings.
First off, this conversation does NOT belong here, either from you or from the
Selbys. Factual stuff, yes. Innuendo and back-biting, no. You two need to
deal with this in arbitration or in a court, not on this list.
WRT parts, I know that the Selbys had a hangar full of parts they purchased from
Ken Ollinger when he quit working on CJ6As. I was purchasing new parts from the
Selbys about four years ago. Before you accuse them of stealing your parts
please be sure that they are indeed your parts.
Andrew, you seem to have developed a bad reputation for selling shoddy
merchandise. I can't and won't say whether it is justified but my one direct
experience with a product of yours has been unpleasant. My experiences with
Yakity Yaks, the Selbys, and Doug Sapp have been good. If others have shared my
experience why do you think you are having problems?
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Jim Selby wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" <jimscjs@mbay.net>
>
> I had the misfortune of Trusting Andrew and Jennifer over a 2 year period
> and cost me allot of money, they were very dishonest in there business
> dealings with me, all's I'll say is keep a large Jar of Vaseline close by
> when dealing with them, all will look good for awhile then you will get the
> big weenie from them, ask around before you deal with them, this has been
> going on for along time with them.
Jim,
This is *NOT* appropriate. If you have a legal gripe with them, deal with it in
arbitration or in court. If you have a specific, documented issue you want to
share that may be valid especially if it relates to a question someone has asked
but this general slander is *NOT* appropriate.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: Meigs Field TORN UP........Here is the mayors email |
address
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Mark Schrick wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
>
> Mayor Daley's e-mail address
> mayordaley@cityofchicago.org
>
>
> Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich at
> governor@state.il.us
>
> Let's ROLL..........................................................Send
> those e-mails NOW!!!!!!
Email has no power. What needs to happen is to figure out how to get Mayor
Daley out of office. Unfortunately his overwhelming reelection makes that
unlikely in the near term. Sometimes you just have to bide your time and wait
for the opportunity.
I doubt that the Mayor is squeaky-clean. Still, as Marion Berry, the
illustrious mayor of Washington, DC, has proven, you don't necessarily need to
be good to be elected or stay in office.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come |
clean?)
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Andrew Zheng (China) wrote:
> Doug, Is the engine without any information(no log book, no records...even
> don't know where the engine come from)that you wanted to me to find out some
> information from China for you. How do you know it is first time overhauled
> engine now? You need clean up this now.
Do I detect the pot calling the kettle black here? Doug is working with the
owner to solve the problem with the new engine. I have confidence that Randy
and Doug will solve the engine problems and get David flying again. My
experience is that Doug stands behind the parts he sells and replaces them when
they are bad. Doug has a good reputation.
OTOH, I don't remember you trying to help David with the previous problems with
his airplane. It was left to Randy and me to help David. He ended up paying us
for time, effort, and work which should have been done properly up-front. I
don't think that David thinks he got a bargain anymore.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: Meigs Closed |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> We were a much better country 50 years ago before we allowed the
> heathens to populate our country. islam (notice the
> capitalization......I consider islam a cult, not a religion) will
> forever be incompatible with freedom. Until we realize that we will
> continue to loose our cherished freedoms. I just can't see the FBI, CIA
> and local law enforcement as being effective against the current 7
> million muslims in this country. Just look at that bastard that threw
> hand grenades at our own troops! He was embedded in our society and
> embedded in our military. He's just the tip of the iceberg!
Frank, go away. You are part of the problem.
The difference between the United States of America and much of the rest of the
world is that the Constitution guarantees the rights of the individual, not just
the rights of the body politic. Your comments are inflamatory and
anti-American. Real Americans respect the rights of ALL people, even those who
might be inimical to the rest of us. What people have fought and died for is
the right for people to burn our flag, to write hateful things, and to generally
disagree with the rest of us WITHOUT FEAR OF RETRIBUTION! *THAT* is what makes
us different.
Now as I said above, please go away. You scare me more than radical Islamists.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Meigs Field TORN UP........Here is the mayors email |
address
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
I disagree, they make me feel a little better.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Meigs Field TORN UP........Here is the mayors
email address
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Mark Schrick wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
>
> Mayor Daley's e-mail address
> mayordaley@cityofchicago.org
>
>
> Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich at
> governor@state.il.us
>
> Let's ROLL..........................................................Send
> those e-mails NOW!!!!!!
Email has no power. What needs to happen is to figure out how to get Mayor
Daley out of office. Unfortunately his overwhelming reelection makes that
unlikely in the near term. Sometimes you just have to bide your time and
wait
for the opportunity.
I doubt that the Mayor is squeaky-clean. Still, as Marion Berry, the
illustrious mayor of Washington, DC, has proven, you don't necessarily need
to
be good to be elected or stay in office.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" <kjpilling@btclick.com>
Blank<Now as I said above, please go away. You scare me more than radical Islamists
>
..........me too..........but watch out for the ill informed pacifists as well.
kp
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| Subject: | Re: Copy of a letter to the mayor of Chicago about Meigs |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Frank you were doing fine until you called him a bastard! <GRIN>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Copy of a letter to the mayor of Chicago about Meigs
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> OK, so I tend to be outspoken when it comes to protecting our freedoms.
> I make no apologies..especially when it comes to my right to fly.
> Thought you guys might like this email I sent to the Mayor of Chicago.
>
> Dear Mayor;
>
> The problem with your decision to close Meigs airfield is that it
> contributes to that slow, gradual erosion of our cherished freedoms. In
> and of itself, this closure amounts to nothing except maybe more
> housing, shopping malls or increased national security. But imagine the
> closing of city parks, recreation areas and other places where people
> can be free and live the kind of lives that makes them want to live and
> be free.
>
> Don't you get it?
>
> What good is living your life and slaving at work to live the life of
> your dreams if guys like you eliminate those little things that we work,
> live-for and cherish? The closure of Meigs Field is just but one of the
> many little actions that government has taken or is taking that results
> in the gradual loss of our most precious freedoms.
>
> You were shortsighted in your decision to close the airfield. We are all
> that much poorer by your eliminating what is one small part of a public,
> recreational and cultural resource.
>
> Your closure of the airfield is like eliminating a museum, like closing
> a lake to boating, like outlawing hot rod cars, like making everyone
> wear helmets, or making any other decision that eliminates the manner
> in which people can go to enjoy themselves and live their lives..what
> good is life if government types like you keep closing our recreational
> areas, outlawing our behaviors or eliminating those places where we
> choose to do the things we chose to do?
>
> You're a typical, non-caring, government bastard who cares little for
> our freedoms!
>
> Frank
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Meigs Field TORN UP........Here is the mayors email |
address
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Gus Fraser wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
>
>> Email has no power...
>
> I disagree, they make me feel a little better.
That is true but the results are the same, Miegs is destroyed. What might make
more sense is to sue the city.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Email Jackass Daley |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tjohnson@cannonaviation.com>
Here's an email for Chicago Chief Donkey Daley:
http://www.ci.chi.il.us/Mayor/MayorsResponse.html
I sent him a nice little memo.
Remember this guy's name forever!
He deserves to go nowhere in politics or business (in my opinion)
I had the great pleasure to fly into meigs about two years ago in our Cessna 170.
Was on the way to Oshkosh and we made a long diversion just to stop in to the airport.
It was a very exciting airport to fly into. All the water and the museums on short
final.
It cost me about a hundred bucks just to make a stop and get 5 gallons of gas,
but it was worth it.
************************************
Tom Johnson
Yak
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
Haven't verified this, but it's RICH!POETIC JUSTICE
Another lesson learned the hard way! Always be careful what you ask for,
you just may get it!
One of the many headaches that George W. Bush inherited from his
predecessor was the Puerto Rican island of Vieques. In the waning years of
the Clinton administration, protesters demanded that the U.S. Navy abandon
bombing and naval gun fire exercises that had taken place on the largely
uninhabited island for nearly seventy years. It became a leftist cause.
Liberal icons bumped into one another to fly to Puerto Rico, boat over to
the island, trespass (but never on a day that there was an exercise
scheduled) and get arrested for the benefit of the New York Times or
Newsweek. They included the Reverend Al Sharpton, Mrs. Jesse Jackson, Joan
Baez, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Edward Olomos, Michael Moore and Ramsey
Clark, just to name a few. Hillary Clinton, then running for the U.S.
Senate in New York, chastised the U.S. Navy for not bowing to the "will of
the citizens of Puerto Rico", until her husband, a week before the
election, issued an executive order to phase out the facility by 2003,
despite recommendations to the contrary by his own Secretary of Defense and
the Chief of Naval Operations.
In 2002, the bombing exercises were transferred to an Air Force bombing
range in central Florida, not far from the Jacksonville and Pensacola Naval
Air Stations. In January, many of the protesters were back in Puerto Rico,
celebrating the final bombing exercise on Vieques and waved Puerto Rican
flags and placards that read "U.S. Navy, get out of Puerto Rico." On
February 21, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld announced that the U.S.
Navy will close the Roosevelt Roads Naval Air Station in Puerto Rico in
2004, eliminating 1200 civilian jobs as well as 700 military positions.
This naval facility is estimated to put nearly $300 million annually into
the local economy.
The next day a stunned Governor Sila Calderon, held a news conference in
San Juan, protesting the base closure as a serious blow to Commonwealth's
fragile economy. The governor stated that "The people of Puerto Rico don't
now or never did have an interest in closing the Vieques bombing range or
the Roosevelt Roads naval base. My government is interested in both staying
in Puerto Rico." When asked, Admiral Robert J. Natter, Commander-in-Chief,
Western Atlantic Command, said, "Without Vieques, I see no further need for
the facility at Roosevelt Roads. None." So, Yanqui go home? Fine. But we'll
take our dollars with us.
Hasta la vista . . . baby!
On February 21, the Secretary of Defense also announced that starting this
year, the U.S. European Command would begin moving most if not all of its
active combat and support units from bases in Germany to others being
established in Poland, The Czech Republic, Hungary and Turkey to "better
position them for rapid deployment to likely hot spots in those parts of
the world". Immediately the business and government leaders in the German
states of Hesse, Rhineland and Wurttemburg, protested the loss of nearly $6
billion in revenue each year from the bases and manpower to be displaced. A
spokesman for the Foreign Ministry speculated that the move may be "what
the Americans call 'payback' for the actions of this government in opposing
military action in Iraq." Whatever. Does anyone know the German translation
for:
"Hasta la vista . . . baby?"
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | ( Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) Owes Jim Selby money? |
Lots of MONEY!!!!
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Andrew,
Jim Selby took it off line with you and now you are bring it back ON-LINE?
What gives?
What all of us have been saying and will continue to say is "present
comments that are factual and to the point." I do believe that comments made
on this news group has been constructive, useful, and informative the past
couple days and displays a true forum to debate issues that need to fixed or
inform the group of issues that can cost people money. In this economy, no
one wants to spend hard earned money and be taken advantage of.
People might of started with dealing s from you but it grew to how we should
handle this type of information in the future. Well beyond one incident or
one dealer.
Please take it back off line and fix the situation with Jim Selby off-line
again. Andrew, I am not in competition with you at all. YAK's are all I deal
with.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Zheng
(China)
Subject: Re: Yak-List: ( Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) Owes Jim
Selby money? Lots of MONEY!!!!
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
Mark,
What evidences do you have that I own Jim Selby money(also six CJs).If you
don't have that in truly, you crime for frame and damager my business.I have
all back up documents and ready to court. If you loss in the case, do you
ready to pay for the damager? I had a contract for 30 CJs one year ago and I
had a new one few months ago for another 20 CJs. I know you don't want be a
"hero",you just use a incorrect way to compete to the business with me. You
are not in help Jim. Do I am right? Did you saw a lots parts in Jim Selby
hanger? that are mine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Subject: Yak-List: ( Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) Owes Jim Selby
money? Lots of MONEY!!!!
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
>
> I think that was well stated by Andrew. Don't you?
>
> I think what we have ALL written and expressed in the past few days has
been
> very constructive. Only the people involved with Andrew have actually
stated
> facts. The name calling could have been removed but facts were stated by
the
> people involved in the transactions.
>
> Andrew if you own Jim Selby money then take it off line and pay him for
the
> work he completed on the six CJ's that he assembled, re-stored, and
> corrected broken items when they arrived in the US. Then we as a group can
> move on to better and more productive issues.
>
> I don't need to be a "hero" but only in my children's eyes.
>
> Be a man and pay your debts if owed.......
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Zheng
> (China)
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to
> come clean?) Owes Jim Selby money?
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)"
<cjcyak@163bj.com>
>
> Mark,
> If you are sure that I owes Jim Selby money, why don't you hire a lawyer
for
> him. Because he doesn't have much money but you have. If I say Jim Selby
> owes my parts, can you hire a lawyer for me? You will be a "hero". I know
we
> are business compactor, but don't do like kids. Ok? Boy.You are really let
> me despise you now.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
> clean?) Owes Jim Selby money?
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
> >
> > Brian,
> >
> > Good, straight forward reporting.... I bet the owner wishes he heard
from
> > you earlier.
> >
> > This is why it is important that we continue to discuss ANY issues on
this
> > news-group due to the
> > important nature of the issues being raised. As long as they are facts
and
> > not hear-say or rumors. This would be a great place to vent for reform.
> >
> > A lot of good comments in the past few days and very constructive for
all
> to
> > read.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ( Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) Owes Jim Selby money? |
Lots of MONEY!!!!
--> Yak-List message posted by: alikatz@mbay.net
Andrew,
You are a work of "ART", you know the TRUTH and my Dad knows the TRUTH. I,
as well have plenty of Documentation and CONTRACTS, you want to go to COURT,
lets DO IT. What PARTS DO YOU HAVE HERE? The list doesn't need to hear your
B***S*** so stick a sock in it. Face it, you've cheated a lot of people and
it's going to come back to bite you in the A**.
Jr
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
>
> Mark,
> What evidences do you have that I own Jim Selby money(also six CJs).If you
don't have that
in truly, you crime for frame and damager my business.I have all back up
documents and
ready to court. If you loss in the case, do you ready to pay for the damager? I
had a
contract for 30 CJs one year ago and I had a new one few months ago for another
20 CJs. I
know you don't want be a "hero",you just use a incorrect way to compete to the
business
with me. You are not in help Jim. Do I am right? Did you saw a lots parts in
Jim Selby
hanger? that are mine.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: ( Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) Owes Jim Selby
money? Lots of
MONEY!!!!
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
> >
> > I think that was well stated by Andrew. Don't you?
> >
> > I think what we have ALL written and expressed in the past few days has been
> > very constructive. Only the people involved with Andrew have actually stated
> > facts. The name calling could have been removed but facts were stated by the
> > people involved in the transactions.
> >
> > Andrew if you own Jim Selby money then take it off line and pay him for the
> > work he completed on the six CJ's that he assembled, re-stored, and
> > corrected broken items when they arrived in the US. Then we as a group can
> > move on to better and more productive issues.
> >
> > I don't need to be a "hero" but only in my children's eyes.
> >
> > Be a man and pay your debts if owed.......
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Zheng
> > (China)
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to
> > come clean?) Owes Jim Selby money?
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
> >
> > Mark,
> > If you are sure that I owes Jim Selby money, why don't you hire a lawyer for
> > him. Because he doesn't have much money but you have. If I say Jim Selby
> > owes my parts, can you hire a lawyer for me? You will be a "hero". I know we
> > are business compactor, but don't do like kids. Ok? Boy.You are really let
> > me despise you now.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
> > clean?) Owes Jim Selby money?
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
> > >
> > > Brian,
> > >
> > > Good, straight forward reporting.... I bet the owner wishes he heard from
> > > you earlier.
> > >
> > > This is why it is important that we continue to discuss ANY issues on this
> > > news-group due to the
> > > important nature of the issues being raised. As long as they are facts and
> > > not hear-say or rumors. This would be a great place to vent for reform.
> > >
> > > A lot of good comments in the past few days and very constructive for all
> > to
> > > read.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: alikatz@mbay.net
Andrew,
I'm really getting confused here, lets make this simple, if YOU have parts
here, come down and get them... Very Simple.
Jr
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
>
> Jim,
> Do you still have some of my parts like you said "too many parts
here,"Chinese air force
have to order parts from here".I knew you sold many of them.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Selby" <jimscjs@mbay.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Cj6 flight
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" <jimscjs@mbay.net>
> >
> > I had the misfortune of Trusting Andrew and Jennifer over a 2 year period
> > and cost me allot of money, they were very dishonest in there business
> > dealings with me, all's I'll say is keep a large Jar of Vaseline close by
> > when dealing with them, all will look good for awhile then you will get the
> > big weenie from them, ask around before you deal with them, this has been
> > going on for along time with them.
> > Jim
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jay reiter
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Cj6 flight
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
> >
> > I flew Lee Buchocks Cj yesterday at El Monte. I was surprised how light it
> > was on the controls.
> >
> > Lee is a very knowledgeable owner and the aircraft is a Zheng import. Lee
> > tells me he is satisfied in his dealings with Andrew.
> >
> > There are three sides to every disagreement and we have not heard the other
> > two.
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | ( Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) Owes Jim Selby money? |
Lots of MONEY!!!!
--> Yak-List message posted by: alikatz@mbay.net
It will never be dealt with, in his mind they have done nothing wrong, I'd
like to know how they sleep at night?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
>
> Andrew,
>
> Jim Selby took it off line with you and now you are bring it back ON-LINE?
> What gives?
>
> What all of us have been saying and will continue to say is "present
> comments that are factual and to the point." I do believe that comments made
> on this news group has been constructive, useful, and informative the past
> couple days and displays a true forum to debate issues that need to fixed or
> inform the group of issues that can cost people money. In this economy, no
> one wants to spend hard earned money and be taken advantage of.
>
> People might of started with dealing s from you but it grew to how we should
> handle this type of information in the future. Well beyond one incident or
> one dealer.
>
> Please take it back off line and fix the situation with Jim Selby off-line
> again. Andrew, I am not in competition with you at all. YAK's are all I deal
> with.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Zheng
> (China)
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: ( Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) Owes Jim
> Selby money? Lots of MONEY!!!!
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
>
> Mark,
> What evidences do you have that I own Jim Selby money(also six CJs).If you
> don't have that in truly, you crime for frame and damager my business.I have
> all back up documents and ready to court. If you loss in the case, do you
> ready to pay for the damager? I had a contract for 30 CJs one year ago and I
> had a new one few months ago for another 20 CJs. I know you don't want be a
> "hero",you just use a incorrect way to compete to the business with me. You
> are not in help Jim. Do I am right? Did you saw a lots parts in Jim Selby
> hanger? that are mine.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: ( Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) Owes Jim Selby
> money? Lots of MONEY!!!!
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
> >
> > I think that was well stated by Andrew. Don't you?
> >
> > I think what we have ALL written and expressed in the past few days has
> been
> > very constructive. Only the people involved with Andrew have actually
> stated
> > facts. The name calling could have been removed but facts were stated by
> the
> > people involved in the transactions.
> >
> > Andrew if you own Jim Selby money then take it off line and pay him for
> the
> > work he completed on the six CJ's that he assembled, re-stored, and
> > corrected broken items when they arrived in the US. Then we as a group can
> > move on to better and more productive issues.
> >
> > I don't need to be a "hero" but only in my children's eyes.
> >
> > Be a man and pay your debts if owed.......
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Zheng
> > (China)
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to
> > come clean?) Owes Jim Selby money?
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)"
> <cjcyak@163bj.com>
> >
> > Mark,
> > If you are sure that I owes Jim Selby money, why don't you hire a lawyer
> for
> > him. Because he doesn't have much money but you have. If I say Jim Selby
> > owes my parts, can you hire a lawyer for me? You will be a "hero". I know
> we
> > are business compactor, but don't do like kids. Ok? Boy.You are really let
> > me despise you now.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
> > clean?) Owes Jim Selby money?
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
> > >
> > > Brian,
> > >
> > > Good, straight forward reporting.... I bet the owner wishes he heard
> from
> > > you earlier.
> > >
> > > This is why it is important that we continue to discuss ANY issues on
> this
> > > news-group due to the
> > > important nature of the issues being raised. As long as they are facts
> and
> > > not hear-say or rumors. This would be a great place to vent for reform.
> > >
> > > A lot of good comments in the past few days and very constructive for
> all
> > to
> > > read.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> I don't necessarily agree with you Barry... in the UK for sure the
> majority are
> not ignorant. Whilst we do have anti War protesters they only make news
> because
> the Brits are not crass enough to organise marches in
> support........it's just
> not British............but we do have reporters who forget where they
> choose
> to live and feel safe.
Clearly the UK is not ignorant. I was eluding to most of the Arab world
and those with anti-war sentiment who will take those images at face
value without stopping to consider the might be a set-up.
Peter Arnett has been in bed with the enemy since Vietnam....he has, and
always will be a fraud.
Cheers,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re:Who owes who? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: alikatz@mbay.net
The list doesn't need most of this, you are correct, BUT, I'm not going to
let this Trash Talkin ****** talk bad about my Dad either, he knows DAMN well
we purchased these Parts from Ken. Andrew brought in some stuff for his six
planes and that's what his parts supported along with a lot of our parts he was
suppose to replace. As far as us holding his money for parts sold " WRONG "
Here's the true story.
My DAD, Mr. Nice guy, would box up parts for " Honest Andrew " of what he had
and would send them to the customer, the customer would send Andrew and
Jennifer the Check, not US and my Dad would also pay the shipping, without
seeing a DIME from YOU, that's how it went.....
Andrew, this is really getting good, where do you come up with this?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> Andrew Zheng wrote:
> > Jim Selby, we didn't treat you bad and we don't owe you any thing. It is you
> > that owe us, both on morality and money. Look at your hanger that full of CJ
> > parts. How much did you pay for them? Did you pay us a penny? You said you
> > would send all the money over every time you sold the parts and just get
some
> > commission. Almost 3 years so far, I don't recall I paid you any commission
> > on the parts because we never received any payment. I was wondering, when
you
> > use our parts as your money making tools, do you feel comfortable? As Dave
> > King said, "one key to continued success in American business is prompt
> > payment of debts." Also, Mark Shrick comments a few times: "It is wise to
pay
> > ones debts." So please pay us for the parts. Then you can use these parts or
> > sell them without misgivings.
>
> First off, this conversation does NOT belong here, either from you or from
the
> Selbys. Factual stuff, yes. Innuendo and back-biting, no. You two need to
> deal with this in arbitration or in a court, not on this list.
>
> WRT parts, I know that the Selbys had a hangar full of parts they purchased
from
> Ken Ollinger when he quit working on CJ6As. I was purchasing new parts from
the
> Selbys about four years ago. Before you accuse them of stealing your parts
> please be sure that they are indeed your parts.
>
> Andrew, you seem to have developed a bad reputation for selling shoddy
> merchandise. I can't and won't say whether it is justified but my one direct
> experience with a product of yours has been unpleasant. My experiences with
> Yakity Yaks, the Selbys, and Doug Sapp have been good. If others have shared
my
> experience why do you think you are having problems?
>
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
I do get engine parts from Chinese engine factory because I knew no one can get
the three parts.Then we sent to Randy until we knew the problems fixed and you
flew the CJ again for at least 15 hours with David. So why do you lie here?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> Andrew Zheng (China) wrote:
> > Doug, Is the engine without any information(no log book, no records...even
> > don't know where the engine come from)that you wanted to me to find out some
> > information from China for you. How do you know it is first time overhauled
> > engine now? You need clean up this now.
>
> Do I detect the pot calling the kettle black here? Doug is working with the
> owner to solve the problem with the new engine. I have confidence that Randy
> and Doug will solve the engine problems and get David flying again. My
> experience is that Doug stands behind the parts he sells and replaces them when
> they are bad. Doug has a good reputation.
>
> OTOH, I don't remember you trying to help David with the previous problems with
> his airplane. It was left to Randy and me to help David. He ended up paying
us
> for time, effort, and work which should have been done properly up-front. I
> don't think that David thinks he got a bargain anymore.
>
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:Who owes who? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
Brian,
If you want Jims and me off this list. You have to off it first. OK? I am really
don't want fight here and have been a hard patience for few days. But I am
not a dead man. I knew Jim got some parts from Ken Ollinger who was Fred mechanic.
Am I right? I have a email from Fred told me some thing about that and also
what does he have a different opine for Jims with you. Do you want me post
Fred email on the list? I am really don't want do it and keep it since last fight.When
I went Jim's hanger, Ken's parts almost sold out and Jim only bought
most small parts from him. Jim Selby told me at least three times that you bought
some parts from him for $250 and he sent to few times invoice but you never
paid for the parts. Jim said you are a rich man. $250 for you, maybe just a
hair cut cost.So I had a your bad reputation from Jim Selby.
I am not going to say any thing any more unless some one still continue say bad
words and it is true.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re:Who owes who?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> Andrew Zheng wrote:
> > Jim Selby, we didn't treat you bad and we don't owe you any thing. It is you
> > that owe us, both on morality and money. Look at your hanger that full of CJ
> > parts. How much did you pay for them? Did you pay us a penny? You said you
> > would send all the money over every time you sold the parts and just get some
> > commission. Almost 3 years so far, I don't recall I paid you any commission
> > on the parts because we never received any payment. I was wondering, when you
> > use our parts as your money making tools, do you feel comfortable? As Dave
> > King said, "one key to continued success in American business is prompt
> > payment of debts." Also, Mark Shrick comments a few times: "It is wise to pay
> > ones debts." So please pay us for the parts. Then you can use these parts or
> > sell them without misgivings.
>
> First off, this conversation does NOT belong here, either from you or from the
> Selbys. Factual stuff, yes. Innuendo and back-biting, no. You two need to
> deal with this in arbitration or in a court, not on this list.
>
> WRT parts, I know that the Selbys had a hangar full of parts they purchased from
> Ken Ollinger when he quit working on CJ6As. I was purchasing new parts from
the
> Selbys about four years ago. Before you accuse them of stealing your parts
> please be sure that they are indeed your parts.
>
> Andrew, you seem to have developed a bad reputation for selling shoddy
> merchandise. I can't and won't say whether it is justified but my one direct
> experience with a product of yours has been unpleasant. My experiences with
> Yakity Yaks, the Selbys, and Doug Sapp have been good. If others have shared
my
> experience why do you think you are having problems?
>
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:Who owes who? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: alikatz@mbay.net
Andrew,
You are good.... This is TRULLY amazing, I'm speechless. I'm not even going
to TOUCH this one, WOW......
--> Yak-List message posted by: Andrew Zheng <goldtel@shaw.ca>
>
> You have made fortune from our planes. It was us who had misfortune of
trusting you. We
invested along huge amount to bring 8 CJs to you. You didn't invest a penny. We
paid you
all expenses occurred to assemble these CJs, including your son's 1st day
unloading the
planes which is $17.43 per hour @ 40 hours (He volunteered to take one week off
to help
the unloading); small items such as little brush @ $0.39 each, copy at office
Depot @
$0.05 per sheet, $1,99 each of file binders, $3.15 each of working gloves,
$3.29 of clean
towels, solvent to clean the planes, etc.; large items such as batteries, all
instruments
needed to be converted to US ones, fabric tester, fabric iron, cockpit ID for
all 8
planes, 24 log books from Aircraft Spruce for the planes; even for the 2 planes
we sold at
"as is" condition that customers trucked away, you complained that you could
not make
money from them, we paid you $2000 as compensation though you didn't do any
work on them;
not mention the oil!
> and fuel for test fly & demo fly as well as the labor we agreed on the
assembly work.
Yes, we also paid $200 for another mechanic to sign off the plane because you
are not an
A&P that not be able to sign off our planes, which you never mentioned to us
until we saw
the bill. We paid every thing on these 8 CJs. What did you pay? Can you give
one example
that was expense for our 8 CJs that we didn't pay? We even paid you parts to
repair other
people's planes. You are sort of person that only takes, never gives. And no
matter how
much you receive, you never appreciate it. I can't image what could cost you
lots of
money? We were the solo investor. It was us that brought you lots of business
and it was
our 8 CJs that brought food to 2 of your families tables. As return, what did
you do to
us? You quoted our potential customers $30,000 to assemble our planes that
scared
everybody away. Finally we made deal between one customer and you. However,
after
agreement signed and all docum!
> ents and the payment sent to the escrow account, you increased your pr
> ice by thousands of dollars. What we could do? The only thing we could do to
sell our
planes was to agree and to lower our own price to fulfill the agreement. You
knew clearly
that whatever you request, we have to agree because the planes were at your
place and we
are nonprofessional, besides far away. As a mechanic, if you say the job needs
1000 hours,
it is a 1000 hours' job. We as aircraft owner, have no choice but pay that 1000
hours
work. So after the 1st plane assembled, you kept increase your price, plane by
plane. Even
through we didn't quite understand at that time why you were doing this (Now we
understand
completely. It was because at that time you had already started to import your
CJs. You
were saving my customers for your own planes), we still paid all the bills you
sent over
unless it was your own bill.
>
> Jim Selby, we didn't treat you bad and we don't owe you any thing. It is you
that owe us,
both on morality and money. Look at your hanger that full of CJ parts. How much
did you
pay for them? Did you pay us a penny? You said you would send all the money
over every
time you sold the parts and just get some commission. Almost 3 years so far, I
don't
recall I paid you any commission on the parts because we never received any
payment. I was
wondering, when you use our parts as your money making tools, do you feel
comfortable? As
Dave King said, "one key to continued success in American business is prompt
payment of
debts." Also, Mark Shrick comments a few times: "It is wise to pay ones debts."
So please
pay us for the parts. Then you can use these parts or sell them without
misgivings.
>
> After we realized that you had been cheating us and taking away our
customers, and our
planes became worse and worse, we just quickly sold our last planes at cost to
get ride of
them and walk away from you without saying any thing bad about you. However,
you kept to
make falsehood slandering us, to cover your dishonest, dishonorable business
practice and
your base and vile characters. We didn't bother to lower ourselves explaining
this because
we know we didn't do any thing wrong to you. For these facts and figures, we
never
published them before, even through some people kept asking, because we still
try to save
you some face hoping you might have little conscious as citizen of civilized
society.
However, you are too shameless and you have gone too far.
>
> Finally, this sure is a freedom country that people can say whatever they
want to say.
But, I still think Yak-list is a public place that making false statements and
spreading
out rumors which might damage other's reputation or business are not moral
conducts, at
least not accountable. As someone said: "we are all big boys (and girls), and
are full
accountable for our words."
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Selby" <jimscjs@mbay.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Cj6 flight
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" <jimscjs@mbay.net>
> >
> > I had the misfortune of Trusting Andrew and Jennifer over a 2 year period
> > and cost me allot of money, they were very dishonest in there business
> > dealings with me, all's I'll say is keep a large Jar of Vaseline close by
> > when dealing with them, all will look good for awhile then you will get the
> > big weenie from them, ask around before you deal with them, this has been
> > going on for along time with them.
> > Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come |
clean?)
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Andrew Zheng (China) wrote:
> I do get engine parts from Chinese engine factory because I knew no one can
> get the three parts. Then we sent to Randy until we knew the problems fixed
> and you flew the CJ again for at least 15 hours with David. So why do you lie
> here?
Lie? Hmm.
I do not know where Randy got the parts to fix the engine and prop the first
time around. Frankly, I assumed they came from either Doug or the Selbys. If
he got them from you, fine. Randy and I are friends, not business partners, and
he doesn't check in with me when he buys parts. We both dealt with David Strawn
separately. I just did the test flying of the airplane and the training. I did
relate the problems I had while flying it and they were 100% true. No lies
involved.
I did not consult my logbook for the exact amount of time the aircraft flew
after the engine and prop were fixed the first time around. If it was 15 hours
instead of 10 then I stand corrected. If the difference were between 10 hours
and 100 hours then I think your point would be significant, but if you are
suggesting that there is a substantial difference between the engine failing
after 10 hours or after 15 hours then I disagree.
OTOH, I take it very seriously when people call me a liar. I will accept your
apology for that.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re:Who owes who? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Andrew Zheng (China) wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
>
> Brian, If you want Jims and me off this list. You have to off it first. OK?
Actually, they are separate issues.
> I am really don't want fight here and have been a hard patience for few days.
> But I am not a dead man. I knew Jim got some parts from Ken Ollinger who was
> Fred mechanic. Am I right?
Yes. Ken was assembling aircraft for Fred a number of years back. Ken
assembled the airplane I recently sold.
> I have a email from Fred told me some thing about
> that and also what does he have a different opine for Jims with you. Do you
> want me post Fred email on the list?
You are welcome to post anything you like. I was aware that Fred and Ken did
not part in a friendly manner. Both Fred and Ken told me that so I suspect it
is true. I am not aware that Fred and the Selbys had any direct business
dealings so I cannot comment on that.
> I am really don't want do it and keep it
> since last fight. When I went Jim's hanger, Ken's parts almost sold out and
> Jim only bought most small parts from him.
But my point was simple and still correct. The Selbys had parts from Ken
Ollinger and have been selling them. I know that because I approached Ken to
purchase the parts and he told me they had been sold to the Selbys. I do not
know how many of the parts came from you or from Ken, only that some came from
Ken.
> Jim Selby told me at least three
> times that you bought some parts from him for $250 and he sent to few times
> invoice but you never paid for the parts.
Funny, I haven't heard that from the Selbys and if what you say is true, they
are the injured party. Since I haven't heard that from the Selbys I hope you
will forgive me for discounting your information.
> Jim said you are a rich man.
Don't I wish.
> $250 for you, maybe just a hair cut cost.
I don't have that much hair.
> So I had a your bad reputation from Jim Selby.
But I am hearing it from you, not him. Hopefully if he has a problem with me he
will say it straight out.
> I am not going to say any thing any more unless some one still
> continue say bad words and it is true.
That would be good.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re:Who owes who? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: alikatz@mbay.net
List,
My apologies once again, "Nothing" is getting solved here. My Dad has gone
his own direction and is taking care of the mess in his own way, my Dad is a
very Honest and Kind person and people who know him I'm sure will back this up.
Jim Jr
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> Andrew Zheng (China) wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
> >
> > Brian, If you want Jims and me off this list. You have to off it first. OK?
>
> Actually, they are separate issues.
>
> > I am really don't want fight here and have been a hard patience for few
days.
> > But I am not a dead man. I knew Jim got some parts from Ken Ollinger who was
> > Fred mechanic. Am I right?
>
> Yes. Ken was assembling aircraft for Fred a number of years back. Ken
> assembled the airplane I recently sold.
>
> > I have a email from Fred told me some thing about
> > that and also what does he have a different opine for Jims with you. Do you
> > want me post Fred email on the list?
>
> You are welcome to post anything you like. I was aware that Fred and Ken did
> not part in a friendly manner. Both Fred and Ken told me that so I suspect
it
> is true. I am not aware that Fred and the Selbys had any direct business
> dealings so I cannot comment on that.
>
> > I am really don't want do it and keep it
> > since last fight. When I went Jim's hanger, Ken's parts almost sold out and
> > Jim only bought most small parts from him.
>
> But my point was simple and still correct. The Selbys had parts from Ken
> Ollinger and have been selling them. I know that because I approached Ken to
> purchase the parts and he told me they had been sold to the Selbys. I do not
> know how many of the parts came from you or from Ken, only that some came
from Ken.
>
> > Jim Selby told me at least three
> > times that you bought some parts from him for $250 and he sent to few times
> > invoice but you never paid for the parts.
>
> Funny, I haven't heard that from the Selbys and if what you say is true, they
> are the injured party. Since I haven't heard that from the Selbys I hope you
> will forgive me for discounting your information.
>
> > Jim said you are a rich man.
>
> Don't I wish.
>
> > $250 for you, maybe just a hair cut cost.
>
> I don't have that much hair.
>
> > So I had a your bad reputation from Jim Selby.
>
> But I am hearing it from you, not him. Hopefully if he has a problem with me
he
> will say it straight out.
>
> > I am not going to say any thing any more unless some one still
> > continue say bad words and it is true.
>
> That would be good.
>
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY... |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
The time has finally arrived for the Internet Service Provider (ISP)
upgrade! You'll recall that I was looking into upgrading the existing SDSL
connection from 768k to 1.1M. As it turned out, the copper line wouldn't
support any speeds greater than the current 768k. In light of that news, I
just bit-the-bullet and ordered a full, commercial-grade T1
connection. The T1 connection will provide a full-duplex, high priority,
1.5Mb Internet connection which should be a substantial performance
enhancement for all of the List services!
Pacbell delivered the T1 Loop last week and it tested out fine. This past
weekend I pulled the tail circuit from the demark to the office. This
afternoon, Tuesday 4/1/03, the ISP is suppose come and install the new
router and bring up routing on a test subnet. Assuming that everything
checks out okay with the T1, new router, and routing, I will have them
swing the main Matronics subnet off the SDSL and onto the T1. In theory,
the swing could be nearly transparent to users, but that's usually not the
case... ;-)
Please expect a bit of instability in connectivity this afternoon as we
work though the transition issues. I will post a follow up message when
everything is up and running on the new T1 line.
Finally, please know that it is solely your Contributions that make these
kinds of List upgrades happen! There is no advertising budget (aka,
flashing banner ads and annoying pop up browser windows) to pay these
bills; operational support is solely from List members like you during the
yearly List Fund Raiser. If you would like to make your Contribution to
support the Lists and upgrades like this T1 connectivity enhancement,
please see the List Contribution Web Site where you can make your
Contribution with a Credit Card, PayPal, or Personal Check. You can even
get a free List Archive CDROM with a qualifying List Contribution! The URL
is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thanks again to EVERYONE that made a generous Contribution last year and
enabled this awesome upgrade to T1 service!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
Mayor Daley moved heavy City Construction Equipment in to Meigs field In the middle
of the night, under Armed Police Escort, and tore up the runway, without
even notifying the Tower, the FBO, Aircraft owners based there, or even the FAA.......
I guess his wife is going to get her park after all......
FMI: http://www.aopa.org/
http://www.chicagotribune.com
(You can Vote here whether you think this was a good ides or not - Let's let 'em
know...)
If you have an opinion regarding Chicago Mayor Daley's closing and demolition of
Meigs Field, Let him and the Illinois governor know at mayordaley@cityofchicago.org
and Governor Rod Blagojevich at governor@state.il.us.
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| Subject: | Wow!! You guys are scaring me from buying a CJ6 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "J.D. Lau" <jdlau7@hotmail.com>
Hey Folks,
I just joined the Yak-List yesterday because I was interested in finding out
more about owning a CJ6....
These posting from this morning really scares me and is this the hassle that
I will have to deal with (parts, maintenance, repair) when I own a Yak or
CJ6?
Hope this gets better...
JD "the noobie on the block"
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| Subject: | Stripped 55M pics |
Mail-Followup-To: Wes Warner <wes@lppcs.com>,
--> Yak-List message posted by: Wes Warner <wes@lppcs.com>
Here is a link to some pics of my plane after we stripped it. Maybe someone
with more experience than I have can tell me for sure whether it is anodize
or not.
http://outerlimits.ath.cx:8008/~ufo/pics/plane/2333F/yak_paint/11-09-02/
Thanks,
Wes
PS It's a slow connection (home machine)
--
Time to go to... Group Therapy.
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| Subject: | Re: Wow!! You guys are scaring me from buying a CJ6 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: alikatz@mbay.net
JD,
This is a really good website with a great bunch of guys and gals with a lot
of excellent information.. Dont let this scare you off, things just got a
little heated and shouldn't have gone this far on the list.
Hang in there....
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "J.D. Lau" <jdlau7@hotmail.com>
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> I just joined the Yak-List yesterday because I was interested in finding out
> more about owning a CJ6....
>
> These posting from this morning really scares me and is this the hassle that
> I will have to deal with (parts, maintenance, repair) when I own a Yak or
> CJ6?
>
> Hope this gets better...
>
> JD "the noobie on the block"
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Stripped 55M pics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Wes,
It is not anodize but Aldine. It was chemical treated at the factory before
all the parts were assembled. It should be the same color on the inside
also. That gives the appearance of the 'mucus" or greenish gold tint.
Make sure that your painter knows this before paint because paint does not
stick if un-treated.
Good luck and repair that horizontal Stab with micro filer instead of car
bondo before painting.
Good job though.
Mark Schrick
Yak 52W
San Jose, Ca
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wes Warner
Subject: Yak-List: Stripped 55M pics
--> Yak-List message posted by: Wes Warner <wes@lppcs.com>
Here is a link to some pics of my plane after we stripped it. Maybe someone
with more experience than I have can tell me for sure whether it is anodize
or not.
http://outerlimits.ath.cx:8008/~ufo/pics/plane/2333F/yak_paint/11-09-02/
Thanks,
Wes
PS It's a slow connection (home machine)
--
Time to go to... Group Therapy.
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| Subject: | Wow!! You guys are scaring me from buying a CJ6 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
JD,
Lots of good CJ dealers with YEARS of knowledge: Jim Selby, Doug Sapp, and
others. Take a look on the YPA links area and you will see their websites.
Find knowledgeable CJ pilots in your area and build a relationship with
them. They can help you understand that these are GREAT aircraft and have
many advantages over US single place aircraft.
Good luck,
Mark Schrick
San Jose, Ca
Yak 52 owner
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
alikatz@mbay.net
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Wow!! You guys are scaring me from buying a CJ6
--> Yak-List message posted by: alikatz@mbay.net
JD,
This is a really good website with a great bunch of guys and gals with a
lot
of excellent information.. Dont let this scare you off, things just got a
little heated and shouldn't have gone this far on the list.
Hang in there....
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "J.D. Lau" <jdlau7@hotmail.com>
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> I just joined the Yak-List yesterday because I was interested in finding
out
> more about owning a CJ6....
>
> These posting from this morning really scares me and is this the hassle
that
> I will have to deal with (parts, maintenance, repair) when I own a Yak or
> CJ6?
>
> Hope this gets better...
>
> JD "the noobie on the block"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wow!! You guys are scaring me from buying a CJ6 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: YakL1@aol.com
JD:
Mostly I lurk here, and rarely comment. Dave King and I are partners in a CJ
that we have owned since 1995. It is a great plane, and has been an avenue
into a whole new realm of flight. Having and flying this aircraft is one of
the greatest joys of my life. From personal experience let me say that Jim
Selby and Doug Sapp are two of the most honorable and gracious gentleman that
you would ever hope to meet. (Despite Doug's lack of appreciation for the
art form of the Limerick.) There has been more than one occasion where Dave
and I have had to FORCE Jim to take money for work that he did, which he was
planning to offer gratis. Getting parts from Doug and Jim is usually easier
than getting parts for my Grumman Tiger.
The CJ has been a great airplane, but the greatest part about owning it is
meeting others in the Yak/CJ/warbird community. What a truly stupendous
group of individuals. Learning formation flight from the CAF has been a
great honor and privilege. The work that Drew and Barry have put into the
RedStar events is mind-blowing, as has been the contributions by folks like
Mike Filluci, Jim Goolsby and the Yak Pilots association. Even the flame
wars between Brian and Mike are entertaining, and you might actually learn
something.
Any group of people is going to have heroes and zeros. In this group the
ratio between the two is shifted strongly towards the heroes. Ken Ollinger
showed up on New Year's Day to get my poor sorry butt out of a mess. Doug
hauls spare parts to events like Redstar and is always ready to help out. It
is an honor to be associated with folks like these.
Don't know nothin' bout those Yak thingies, but I can attest that the CJ is a
beautiful machine.
For all those heroes I left off the above list, you have my apologies...
John Zecherle
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| Subject: | Re: Wow!! You guys are scaring me from buying a CJ6 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
Very well put, Dr. Zecherle. The folks at the airport are seeing far less of
you than those in your ER. Fix that, please. ...Blitz
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| Subject: | Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
No Andrew, The engine was sold for $9,000.00. You have copied my price
list, you should know my prices.
Also you did not explain your comment when you wrote-- "You need clean up
this now." If you are referring to my standing behind this engine, have no
fear. As my pappy used to say "my word is my bond". Even though my Chinese
vendors do not stand behind their engines, I will stand behind this one even
if it means loosing money. That's how the system works.
Andrew, if you want to continue this please contact me off list at
rvfltd@televar.com
Best,
Doug Sapp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Zheng (China)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
clean?)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)"
<cjcyak@163bj.com>
>
> I remember you sold this engine for $12,000. is it right?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Zheng (China)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
clean?)
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)"
<cjcyak@163bj.com>
> >
> > Doug,
> > Is the engine without any information(no log book, no records...even
don't know where the engine come from)that you wanted to me to find out some
information from China for you. How do you know it is first time overhauled
engine now? You need clean up this now.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to
come clean?)
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> > >
> > > One short note about this aircraft:
> > > It continues to plague the owner with problems. I sold the owner a
1st time
> > > over hauled engine, it was installed by Randy Thorne, who did an
excellent
> > > job. But this engine has, after an hour or so of run time developed a
> > > problem of exceedingly high case pressures, which blow huge quantities
of
> > > oil out of the rear case vent and all over the aircraft when RPM is at
or
> > > near cruise settings. Unfortunately, this problem seems (at this
time)
> > > unfixable as no one in the US has the tools, knowledge or the manuals
to
> > > overhaul these engines. This engine has what seems to be a defective
blower
> > > gasket/seal and I am sure I will part it out in an effort to cut my
losses.
> > > I am now arranging to send a replacement engine to Randy. I sincerely
hope
> > > that this solves the problem and the owner can finally get back in the
air.
> > > Maybe in time for Red Star.
> > >
> > > Always Yakin,
> > > Doug Sapp
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
> > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
> > > clean?)
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
> > > >
> > > > There are ways to do this without getting everybody's knickers in a
knot.
> > > EBay,
> > > > Amazon, and others allow individuals to write reviews of products.
No
> > > reason we
> > > > cannot do the same. To someone contemplating purchasing an airplane
they
> > > can go
> > > > to the archives and read what people have said. The key is that all
> > > reviews
> > > > must involve first-hand experience with the vendor, no "well, I know
a guy
> > > who
> > > > knows a guy who says ..."
> > > >
> > > > All I can say is that I have had direct dealings with Yakity Yaks,
Doug
> > > Sapp,
> > > > and the Selbys. I have been pleased with the results in all three
cases.
> > > I
> > > > have picked up an airplane from Andrew Zhang for a student and the
student
> > > is
> > > > still having trouble with the airplane two years later. In fact, in
two
> > > years
> > > > he has only been able to fly the airplane about 10 hours.
> > > >
> > > > Statements like, "...always keep a large jar of Vasoline with you,"
are
> > > > unproductive. Perhaps better would be something with facts and
substance.
> > > >
> > > > I flew down to Van Nuys to pick up an aircraft for a student. It
was
> > > brought in
> > > > by Andrew Zhang and assembled by, I believe, Bill Scully. When I
went to
> > > fly
> > > > the airplane away the battery was dead and the air had leaked away.
The
> > > battery
> > > > installation was in my opinion marginally airworthy, consisting of a
pair
> > > of
> > > > motorcycle batteries in series and the battery box had been modified
in
> > > such a
> > > > way as to preclude any protection for the batteries and wiring.
Holes for
> > > the
> > > > wires were not properly dressed and chafing was a potential problem.
> > > >
> > > > The airplane had been signed off as having completed its phase-1
> > > requirements
> > > > but I detected serious pitot-static errors in the ASI in flight.
The
> > > > encoder/altimeter correspondence checks had been signed off in the
log.
> > > Checks
> > > > with ATC indicated that the altimeter and the encoder agreed within
about
> > > 150'
> > > > at all altitudes.
> > > >
> > > > When I reached Cameron Park I noticed an excessive amount of oil on
the
> > > outside
> > > > aircraft. Further examination showed that more than one of the
cylinders
> > > had
> > > > excessively loose cylinder base nuts requiring all the cylinders to
be
> > > removed,
> > > > the case inspected for fretting, and the cylinders reinstalled with
proper
> > > base
> > > > gaskets and bolt torque. The pitot/static system was blown out to
remove
> > > > entrapped water and the ASI and other P/S instruments then worked
properly
> > > on
> > > > the subsequent test flight. Unfortunately the flap extension system
> > > exhibited
> > > > problems which required the shuttle valves to be cleaned. It
appeared
> > > they had
> > > > never been serviced.
> > > >
> > > > On the next flight the prop blew a seal during taxi. Fortunately my
> > > wingman
> > > > noticed the smoke (the airplane looked like it had a smoke-oil
system
> > > going) and
> > > > warned me before take-off. Upon shut-down the engine/prop began to
dump
> > > large
> > > > quantities of oil on the ramp. This was repaired.
> > > >
> > > > The paint began to chip off in places indicating that whoever
applied the
> > > paint
> > > > had not performed proper preparation before applying the paint.
> > > >
> > > > The owner came out for dual instruction in the aircraft. We
performed the
> > > > instruction without problems.
> > > >
> > > > The airplane began exhibiting an increase in oil consumption but I
decided
> > > to
> > > > fly it to see if oil consumption would stabilize. I flew it to Red
Star
> > > last
> > > > year. On take-off to return to Cameron Park the brake cable on the
> > > forward
> > > > stick broke as I was taxiing into position on the runway for a
formation
> > > > take-off. I was able to exit the runway under aerodynamic control
and
> > > roll to a
> > > > stop on the taxi way clear of the runway. The airplane was towed
back to
> > > the
> > > > ramp and tied down.
> > > >
> > > > I returned for the airplane a couple weeks later. The engine
exhibited a
> > > > hydraulic lock which was rectified by removing the lower spark plugs
and
> > > intake
> > > > drain plugs and pulling the engine through multiple times. There
was
> > > > substantial oil in the cylinders. The engine was pulled through and
all
> > > the oil
> > > > drained from the cylinders. As it was very hot I went inside for a
cup of
> > > water
> > > > before returning to depart with the airplane. Since only 10 minutes
had
> > > elapsed
> > > > since I had cleared the lock I did not pull the engine through
again.
> > > When I
> > > > started the engine it hydraulic locked when it fired. End of
engine.
> > > >
> > > > The airplane now has a new engine courtesy of Doug Sapp. I do not
know
> > > where
> > > > the owner stands in his dealing with Andrew Zhang.
> > > >
> > > > Those are facts. You may draw any conclusion you please from them.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite
201
> > > > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> > > > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Meigs Field TORN UP........Here is the mayors email |
address
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
How about when we all fly to Oshkosh this summer stop off at Medway or
Oakland for a cup of coffee. When we are asked why we are all going there we
can say that if there were al alternate suitable we would use it :)
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Meigs Field TORN UP........Here is the mayors
email address
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Gus Fraser wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
>
>> Email has no power...
>
> I disagree, they make me feel a little better.
That is true but the results are the same, Miegs is destroyed. What might
make
more sense is to sue the city.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | My photo flight to Meigs |
--> Yak-List message posted by: ATPCFIMD@aol.com
Hello fellow yakkers......fllew my Citabria to Meigs today to check out the
destruction. What a sight!! Meigs is closed, but it is still active class D
airspace. The controller let me do everything I wanted. Made several low
altitude circles around the airport for photos, then low pass over runway.
Looked to be about a dozen small planes still there. Runway totally
destroyed. I wrote an email to Mayor Daly pointing out to him that with the
upcoming closing of Meigs class D all those small airplanes he hates so much
will have more freedom to fly around his city without being under anyone's
control.
Bill Helvey
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| Subject: | Meigs Field TORN UP........Here is the mayors |
email address
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roy O. Wright" <roy@wright.org>
Nah, missing man just above minimums over Meigs, then circle
around TFR (barely), and depart. No fuel stops in the state
(gov is in daley's pocket).
Have fun,
Roy
At 07:03 PM 4/1/2003 -0500, Gus Fraser wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
>
>How about when we all fly to Oshkosh this summer stop off at Medway or
>Oakland for a cup of coffee. When we are asked why we are all going there we
>can say that if there were al alternate suitable we would use it :)
>
>Gus
',,'',,'',,',,'
Roy Wright 512.378.1234 mailto:royw@cisco.com
Cisco Systems import com.cisco.std-disclaimer
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| Subject: | Wow!! You guys are scaring me from buying a CJ6 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rick Basiliere" <discrab@earthlink.net>
Hey J.D., Since you are new and I'm out of town for a week watch this worm
turn... Forget the CJ and buy a Yak-52 it's a way better airplane. He-He.
Now you will see some good natured ribbing. Seriously, I love these guys
and gals in the Yak Club and both A/C are great in their own right. Have
fun, fly safe, research both, get referrals, and a good pre-buy, there are
some great instructors out there that will do a super job for you. We
really are a happy group. Best regards. Rick B Sukhoi-29 and Yak-55 BTW,
welcome.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
alikatz@mbay.net
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Wow!! You guys are scaring me from buying a CJ6
--> Yak-List message posted by: alikatz@mbay.net
JD,
This is a really good website with a great bunch of guys and gals with a
lot
of excellent information.. Dont let this scare you off, things just got a
little heated and shouldn't have gone this far on the list.
Hang in there....
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "J.D. Lau" <jdlau7@hotmail.com>
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> I just joined the Yak-List yesterday because I was interested in finding
out
> more about owning a CJ6....
>
> These posting from this morning really scares me and is this the hassle
that
> I will have to deal with (parts, maintenance, repair) when I own a Yak or
> CJ6?
>
> Hope this gets better...
>
> JD "the noobie on the block"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stripped 55M pics |
tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05,
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <lannon@look.ca>
Hi Wes;
Great pics. What I see is the same colour as the early CJ6's. Have to
disagree with Mark. This is not an Alodine finish. It is anodized.
If I seem too positive about this from just looking at a photo it's because
you pointed out in your previous posting that you had already done the
definitive test. Alodine will come off easily with scotch-brite and water.
It is possible to wear through andodize with scotch-brite but you will wear
out a lot of scotch-brite and fingers in the process.
Another indicator - bond straps & ground connections to an anodized surface
will have the coating removed since it is a very poor conductor.
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wes Warner" <wes@lppcs.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Stripped 55M pics
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Wes Warner <wes@lppcs.com>
>
> Here is a link to some pics of my plane after we stripped it. Maybe
someone
> with more experience than I have can tell me for sure whether it is
anodize
> or not.
>
> http://outerlimits.ath.cx:8008/~ufo/pics/plane/2333F/yak_paint/11-09-02/
>
> Thanks,
> Wes
>
> PS It's a slow connection (home machine)
> --
>
> Time to go to... Group Therapy.
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
Does anyone have a diagram or pictures of the modifications necessary for a CJ
transporter?
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Lou Dakos" <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au>
My genaretor is not charging the warnng light is on all the time, new engine and
generator I have checked regulator seems ok, but I have been looking at the
scematics so long I have lost the plot is there a modern replacement for the
regulator? I will be removing the generator and mounting it for a test run tonight
just to make sure its charging.
Lou
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Jay,
Where are your trying to get to/from?
Is the CJ in its steel frame or on its wheels?
Doug Sapp
----- Original Message -----
From: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
Subject: Yak-List: CJ trailer
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
>
> Does anyone have a diagram or pictures of the modifications necessary for
a CJ transporter?
>
>
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| Subject: | The politically correct Brian Loyd |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Brian, go away. You are part of the problem.
The difference between the United States of America and much of the rest
of the
world is that the Constitution guarantees the rights of the individual.
Your comments are shortsighted and not cognizant of the threat to
Americas' freedoms. Ultimately, your views are Anti-American in that you
turn a blind eye towards the concepts that have given you your freedom.
You fail to recognize the threats to the freedoms spelled out for us by
the founding fathers. You ascribe a "new age", kind of "punk" attitude
to the freedoms envisioned by the founding fathers. Were the founding
fathers to hear what you say they would cringe in embarrassment.
Real Americans respect the rights of ALL people, except those who would
destroy the American vision in favor of their brand of religious
governance (a theocracy). Your views would ask us all to accept the
views of islamic radicals as part of the diversity of America. For your
information, there are some belief systems incompatible with your
liberal views of freedom and democracy......islam and it's desire for
your destruction are one of those.
People have not fought and died in the wars of America for the rights of
islamic radicals to impose their views and morality on us. You
promulgate that view. I do not agree that people have the "right", as
you say, "to burn the flag", or "say hateful things" that are the
equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theater. Islamic radicals are
calling for the destruction of the US. Why are you protecting their
"right" to do that?
You would do well to work for CNN, ABC, NBC or the other, has been,
liberal news outlets. Do you know Peter Arnet? Do you share his world
view? I think most can see exactly what their views have wrought upon
America. What makes freedom loving American different from you is that
we fight for freedom against the forces that you espouse. I suspect that
you who would gladly have unchecked immigration from islamic countries
of islamic radicals bent on your destruction.
Somehow, you think they have the "right" to express their views. You
couldn't be more wrong. Sure, you can disagree as you say "WITHOUT FEAR
OF RETRIBUTION". But when that disagreement threatens the lives of
Americans then that is where you and I diverge. *THAT* is what makes you
and I different. I happen to respect the rights of freedom loving
Americans. I can only wonder where your views come from?
Now as I said above, please go away. You scare me more than Nazis or
Communists.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Walt;
I'm not sure about the German translation
for: "Hasta la vista . . . baby?"
Does that "one eyed" bastard of liberalizm, Brian Loyd, have anything to
do with it?
:)
Frank
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| Subject: | Re: Wow!! You guys are scaring me from buying a CJ6 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ray P. Stallings" <JetJockey@alumni.utexas.net>
Brian Lloyd recently gave a first hand account of his experience with Andrew
Zheng's "quality" aircraft. I would like to follow his lead and give my
first hand assessment of the quality of "Honest Andrew's" product. Mind
you, Andrew (and his mouthpiece, Jennifer) assured me on numerous occasions
that this aircraft was comprised of all original major components (wings,
tail, controls, etc.) They also guaranteed that it was fresh out of Chinese
Military overhaul and had absolutely no damage history. In their words, it
just needed some minor work in order to make it airworthy here in the U.S.
I knew this airframe was not going to be able to be flown out of L.A. in any
kind of reasonable time frame, so I trucked it back to Texas so we could go
through it with a fine tooth comb. What we found should make anyone that
has purchased an aircraft from this couple, park it immediately and go
through it again before putting one more hour on it. If you are considering
purchasing an aircraft from Mr. Zheng (JN Trading) please consider the list
of MAJOR gripes I have compiled below. (The minor gripe list is much too
long to list here and is comprised of irregularities you would expect to
find on a "used" aircraft.) If you are comfortable facing these kinds of
major repairs (or possibly worse), and don't have a problem with the fact
you will receive absolutely no accountability from JN Trading after they
have your money, you might be able to get a good deal from "Honest Andrew".
Otherwise, I would recommend you look elsewhere. There are plenty of other
truly honest folks out there.
Here is the punch list from my I.A. (as of December 2002, there is more to
come). Read on and decide for yourself if they represented this aircraft in
a honest fashion:
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Major irregularities found on Nanchang CJ-6A aircraft, S/N 4132022:
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The sellers represented this aircraft as being recently removed from active
duty in the Chinese Air Force and then undergoing an extensive overhaul
prior to being shipped to us. The sellers also stated that this aircraft
was comprised of all original major components and had no damage history
whatsoever. In my professional opinion, these statements are completely
false based on what we have found to date. It appears that this airframe
was sitting for an extended period of time in the elements and then hastily
put together with rejected and junk components from other aircraft to make
it appear to be somewhat in the condition they claimed. It was not
airworthy by any stretch of the imagination (or FARs). To date, it is still
not airworthy, although we are making good progress toward achieving that
goal.
01. Horizontal stabilizer - Bogus serial numbers stencil painted over
original (much older) serial numbers to make it appear to match aircraft
serial number. Structure was filled with large amount of dried mud and a
bird's nest. Also had very poor skin repair to top left side. This part
has been sitting in the elements for a very long time. It has NOT been
installed on an aircraft that was recently retired from active duty.
02. Elevator Trim Linkage - Rusted and unsalvageable. Had to be scrapped.
It is physically impossible that this part could have come off a flyable
aircraft.
03. Elevators - Unairworthy as delivered. Left side unsalvageable. Both
elevators included bogus serial numbers painted over older (non-matching)
serial numbers. Fabric rotted. Internal structure of left elevator had
every rib cracked completely in half with severe corrosion. Right elevator
had similar structural damage with moderate corrosion but was repairable.
Corrosion control and new fabric required for right elevator. Left elevator
required replacement.
04. Rudder - Unairworthy as delivered. Bogus serial numbers like other tail
surfaces. Light to moderate corrosion. All but one rib broken completely
in half. Rudder was repaired but only with major effort. Fabric rotted and
required replacement.
05. Fairings - All of the fairings were in extremely poor condition. The
poor condition might be expected on an aircraft of this vintage and
background but the very poor "repairs" done by seller made them useless and
all wing and tail fairings require replacement.
06. Fabric - As stated earlier, all fabric was in very poor and unairworthy
condition. Seller attempted to conceal this fact by applying a fresh coat
of paint over the rotting fabric (unacceptably thick) and then stenciling
bogus serial numbers over the original serial numbers to make them appear to
be the same vintage as the airframe.
07. Aileron Hinge Attach Brackets - Unairworthy as delivered. Structure for
inboard attach point bearings severely cracked on both wings. Doublers
required and requirement for continuing frequent inspections to check for
further crack propagation.
08. Battery Corrosion - Moderate corrosion from battery in battery storage
compartment.
09. ADI - Forward cockpit ADI will not erect. Requires replacement.
10. VSI - Both vertical speed indicators failed calibration test. Replaced
with US instruments.
11. ASI - Both airspeed indicators failed calibration and required
re-facing/recalibration to reflect correct airspeeds.
12. Turn & Bank Indicator - Aft T&B indicator inop. Requires replacement.
13. Propeller - Moderate leaking at hub. Needs to be sent to prop shop for
inspection and repair/replacement.
14. Oil Cooler - Unairworthy as delivered. Original oil cooler appears to
have been robbed by seller and replaced with unit in poor state of repair.
(This is based on the fact that the seller showed the buyer a video tape of
the engine being "test run". When aircraft arrived at destination, the oil
cooler hoses were not attached. It is very unlikely the engine was run for
the duration shown on the video with the oil cooler disconnected.) Unit had
to be sent to repair facility for major overhaul.
15. Brakes - Unairworthy as delivered. Drums extremely gouged and
unserviceable. Require replacement. Pads in similar condition and also
require replacement.
16. Tires - Slick, cord showing, not airworthy. Require replacement. Main
gear tires are possible candidates for re-capping. Need to be sent to
Desser Tire for evaluation.
17. Landing Gear Doors - Very poor condition. Large doors required partial
re-skinning due to structural damage and corrosion.
18. Manual Fuel Pump - Unairworthy as delivered. Leaking fuel in cockpit.
Leaking from seal around actuator shaft. Determination made to replace
manual pump with US manufactured electric boost pump.
19. Pneumatic System Check Valves - Unairworthy as delivered. Every check
valve on this aircraft was severely corroded causing intermittent operation.
Four of the check valves did not even contain functional springs due to
rusting.
20. Pneumatic System Air Filter/Drier - Improper assembly. Contained an
insufficient amount of required desiccant. Filter pads and screens were not
packed properly. This allowed moisture and desiccant crystals to
contaminate the entire pneumatic system and contributed to corrosion in
almost every system component and check valve. Filter/Drier rebuilt IAW
overhaul manual specs. New desiccant installed.
21. Firewall-Mounted Pneumatic System Deposit Accumulation Bottle - Valve
inop.
22. Landing Gear Actuator Cylinders - Overhaul required based on large
amount of foreign matter, rust, and corrosion found in other areas of
pneumatic system. Outsourced to overhaul facility.
23. Pitot-Static Lines - Unairworthy as delivered. All flexible P/S lines
were cracked and rotted. Required replacement of all lines.
24. Crewmember Restraint Harnesses - Belts/shoulder straps in poor
condition. (Severe UV damage.) Replacement required.
25. Canopies - Poor quality plexiglass with even poorer repairs. Glass
might have been acceptable for this type and vintage aircraft except for the
poor repairs (visibility restriction issues) done which necessitate
replacement of all plexiglass.
26. Shimmy Damper - Actuator shaft was sheared internally. Repairable if
replacement part can be found.
27. General Airframe - Numerous areas on wings and fuselage where minor skin
damage was repaired using unacceptable techniques. Very time-consuming to
repair "repairs".
28. Wing Attach Bolts/Nuts - Unairworthy as delivered. All 8 of these very
critical components were severely damaged. They appear to have been struck
numerous times with a heavy object (probably a sledge-type hammer) during
the removal process. Due to the extreme importance of these components,
they are deemed unairworthy and must be replaced.
29. Engine - During initial engine test runs, the engine did not make the
minimum power specified in the maintenance manual for acceptance. Further
investigation required before aircraft will be released for flight.
30. Fuel Quantity Gauge - System very unreliable. Shows considerably more
fuel than aircraft has aboard (all attitudes). Determination made to
replace with much more accurate US manufactured system.
31. Aileron Control Rod-End Bearings - Unairworthy as delivered. Both
control rod-end bearings frozen and unserviceable. Replacement required.
32. Wheel Bearing Seals - Deteriorated. Need replacement.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <lannon@look.ca>
Hi Lou;
Was the generator system 1.working after initial installation and then
failed? Or 2. never worked? If 2 it could simply be that the generator needs
to be polarized by flashing the field circuit.
If 1. it is probably the regulator. Cleaning the points may help.
Walt
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Subject: Yak-List: generator
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> My genaretor is not charging the warnng light is on all the time, new
engine and generator I have checked regulator seems ok, but I have been
looking at the scematics so long I have lost the plot is there a modern
replacement for the regulator? I will be removing the generator and mounting
it for a test run tonight just to make sure its charging.
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> Lou
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Good job Matt -
I say terminate posting privileges for people that violate the
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we are tired of their rantings ...
Bill Halverson
Matt Dralle wrote:
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