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1. 01:53 AM - Re: generator (Brian Lloyd)
2. 02:29 AM - generator (Lou Dakos)
3. 03:51 AM - Re: generator (Brian Lloyd)
4. 05:48 AM - Re: generator (Cy Galley)
5. 07:56 AM - Fw: Gun Ban Update - Tuesday April 1, 2003 (John Alber)
6. 08:28 AM - Re: Fw: Gun Ban Update - Tuesday April 1, 2003 (Brian Lloyd)
7. 08:34 AM - Re: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Walt Lannon)
8. 08:48 AM - Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) (Andrew Zheng \(China\))
9. 08:49 AM - Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) (Andrew Zheng \(China\))
10. 09:07 AM - Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come (Jim Ivey)
11. 09:09 AM - Re: generator (Terry)
12. 09:16 AM - Re: generator (Sam Sax)
13. 09:31 AM - Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come (Mark Schrick)
14. 09:39 AM - Andrew Zheng (Barry Hancock)
15. 10:27 AM - Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) (Doug)
16. 11:07 AM - Misleading Statement (Andrew Zheng)
17. 11:09 AM - Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come (Brian Lloyd)
18. 11:56 AM - Re: Misleading Statement (Brian Lloyd)
19. 02:10 PM - Re: Misleading Statement (Ray P. Stallings)
20. 02:16 PM - elevator balancing (jay reiter)
21. 03:39 PM - Re: Re: Misleading Statement (Brian Lloyd)
22. 09:26 PM - Matronics ISP Upgrade COMPLETED! (Matt Dralle)
23. 11:08 PM - [ William Halverson ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Lou Dakos wrote:
> My genaretor is not charging the warnng light is on all the time, new engine
> and generator I have checked regulator seems ok, but I have been looking at
> the scematics so long I have lost the plot is there a modern replacement for
> the regulator? I will be removing the generator and mounting it for a test
> run tonight just to make sure its charging.
I always convert a CJ from the generator to an alternator. It is much lighter
which helps with the forard CG problem, and it will charge the battery even at
idle.
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Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Lou Dakos" <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au>
It is a new CJ installation and has never worked plane has only flown twice after
restoration both runs on battery only,(flys bloody marvellous though) we had
flashed the generator in the plane nad cleaned up regulator but no good, I have
since set it up outside the plane but I could only run it at 2000 rpm flashed
it again and it started putting out 11.3 volts I will be putting it back in
tomorrow and will post the results.
Brian what make an model alternator do you use?
Lou
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Lou Dakos wrote:
> Brian what make an model alternator do you use?
There are some GM truck alternator conversions that are popular. That is what
I
had on "Betty". They are very simple since they are internally-regulated and
self-exciting so they only require a single wire from the alternator to the
electrical buss.
My only misgiving with these is that if the regulator fails and turns the field
on all the way, the alternator voltage can go so high as to destroy the battery
and avionics. Turning off the master only makes it worse as the voltage on the
buss can then go over 100V. Nothing electrical in the airplane is likely to
survive that. You need a way to disconnect the alternator B-lead from the buss.
A master contactor (relay) will work for this. The AeroElectric Connection
(http://www.aeroelectric.com) has a schematic for a relay with overvoltage
protection if you choose to go with this solution.
Although it is a more expensive system I prefer the B&C Specialties alternator
and external regulator. This system is lighter and smaller since it is only a
35A alternator (more than enough for the average CJ6A that no longer has the
Chinese ADF). It also has an external regulator with overvoltage protection.
This makes troubleshooting much easier down the road if the need arises.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Probably need to "Flash" the generator field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lou Dakos" <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au>
Subject: Yak-List: generator
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lou Dakos" <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au>
>
> My genaretor is not charging the warnng light is on all the time, new
engine and generator I have checked regulator seems ok, but I have been
looking at the scematics so long I have lost the plot is there a modern
replacement for the regulator? I will be removing the generator and mounting
it for a test run tonight just to make sure its charging.
>
>
> Lou
>
>
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| Subject: | Fwd: Gun Ban Update - Tuesday April 1, 2003 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: John Alber <john@johnalber.com>
Mayor Daley is not only after Meigs, he's after all the guns in the hands of Illinois
gun owners. He and his allies in the legislature have pushed through a
number of bills to grab guns (including shotguns, hunting and competition rifles).
See the post from the Illinois State Rifle Association below.
What a guy!
IL State Rifle Association <isranotices@lb.bcentral.com> wrote:From: IL State
Rifle Association
Subject: Gun Ban Update - Tuesday April 1, 2003
GUN SHOW BILL COMES UP SHORT - BUT REMAINS ALIVE - BE ALERT
House Bill 2356, the Daley Gun Grab Gun Show Bill, came to a vote before the full
Illinois House today, but failed to get the 60 votes it needed to pass. Before
the bill could be declared dead, the sponsor moved to postpone consideration
of the bill. That means that the bill's supporters may bring the bill back
up again for a vote if they can manage to get some representatives to switch their
votes.
ACTION ITEM - Before the antigun sponsors of HB 2356 are able to bring the bill
back up for a vote, you should do two things. First, call your State Representative,
tell him or her that you are a law-abiding gun owner and that you oppose
HB2356 because it does nothing to harm criminals and only hurts law-abiding
gun owners. Then, please call each of the following Representatives and tell
them that you were disappointed to hear that they voted in favor of HB2356 and
that you hoped they would vote agains HB2356 if it comes up for a vote once again.
Rep. Carole Pankau (217) 782-8158; Rep. Sandra Pihos (217) 782-8037; Rep.
Jack Franks (217) 782-1717; Sid Mathias (217) 782-1664.
Please make the calls as soon as possible because the bill can be brought up again
at a moment's notice.
- - -
SB1195 - DALEY GUN BAN AND CONFISCATION LAW - Things remain quiet on this bill.
The sponsors are trying to decide what to do with an amendment to the bill. Stay
tuned...your fast action may be necessary.
- - -
DALEY'S MEIGS FIELD ANTICS DON'T SURPRISE US
Many of you may have heard about how Mayor Daley recently ordered that the runway
at Meigs Airport be cratered. In the middle of the night Sunday, Daley had
demolition crews go on site and tear up the runway...despite the fact that over
a dozen private aircraft are hangared at the airport. SWAT teams provided cover
for the demolition crews and disabled surveillance cameras on the site so
nobody could see what was going on.
For years, Daley has wanted to make Meigs into a park, but was not able to because
Republican Governors Edgar and Ryan wouldn't let him do it. Now that Illinois
has an absentee Governor in the form of Rod Blagojevich, Daley is basically
running the show.
Daley's actions are more proof positive of something gun owners have known for
a long time - that being that "Da Mayor" is a taco short of a combination plate.
His actions and demeanor are becoming more and more like those of Idi Amin.
Even his long time captive rag, the Chicago Tribune, recognizes that Richie is
cracking. In today's editorial, the Trib says, "At a news conference Monday,
Daley blustered and sputtered, a picture of a banana-republic general so sure
that he knows what's best for the country that he can barely tolerate anyone
questioning his actions. The issue is Daley's increasingly authoritarian style
that brooks no disagreements, legal challenges, negotiations, compromise or any
of that messy give-and-take normally associated with democratic government."
Let's face it, Mayor Daley has long been exhibiting a progressive pattern of irrationality.
His blow-up at ComEd a few years ago was an early, but clear signal
that the guy is in serious need of professional help. His consuming obsession
with gun control is another indication that something ain't right. And now,
this Meigs incident points strongly to a serious delusional disorder.
- - -
Please pass this along to your friends and post to any and all Internet Bulletin
Boards to which you may belong.
GOD BLESS AMERICA
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Gun Ban Update - Tuesday April 1, 2003 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
John Alber wrote:
> Mayor Daley is not only after Meigs, he's after all the guns in the hands of
> Illinois gun owners. He and his allies in the legislature have pushed through
> a number of bills to grab guns (including shotguns, hunting and competition
> rifles). See the post from the Illinois State Rifle Association below. What
> a guy!
If I did what he did to Meigs, I would not want my constituency to have guns
either. And soon the airline pilots will be armed. Yup, better get guns out of
the hands of those law-abiding people.
Oh no, oh no! I just realized there is something wrong! I *like* guns and I
don't like the government telling me what I can and cannot do! Maybe I am not
a
<choke - whimper> *liberal*! Whatever will become of me? What will Babs and
Willie say? Ooohhh Noooooo!
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <lannon@look.ca>
I'll second that.
Walt Lannon
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Halverson" <william@netpros.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly
Posting]
> --> Yak-List message posted by: William Halverson <william@netpros.net>
>
> Good job Matt -
>
> I say terminate posting privileges for people that violate the
> guidelines ... you could post us their names and let us vote on whether
> we are tired of their rantings ...
>
> Bill Halverson
>
>
> Matt Dralle wrote:
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> >--> Yak-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
From: Dave Strawn
Subject: David Strawn's CJ
Andrew, I just wrote a check to Doug Sapp for $12,500 for a Huosai engine.
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug
Subject: Re: Re
Andrew,
A green tag on the engine was translated by a good friend as below:
The tag says,
On front: PLA Factory 5701
Certificate of Approval
On back :
Order No ; H6-10369
Item : engine
No : 993401
Quantity : 1
Name : *&
%$ date : 2001-11-16
Inspector : 26j4 date : *&
%
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Zheng (Canada)
To: Doug
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Re
Hi Doug,
I gave the engine number to my friend to find out how is the engine. But they
want to know more details like which Air base the engine was there, because there
7-8 training schools have CJs engine and there are some of the engines stock
in different storage. They have to phone all of them. That is to much work.
Best
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug
To: Andrew Zheng (Canada)
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Re
Andrew,
Can you ask your friends to try to find history of engine #201-H6A943404?
This would be a big help for me.
Many thanks,
Can you get me factory NEW engine? if yes what is my cost.
Best,
Douglas
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Zheng (Canada)
To: Doug
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Re
Doug,
I just check my parts list and don't find the parts that you need for.
Called a my Chinese air force friend last night. With the engine number,
It very hard to find how is the engine. Where the engine come from, training schools?
some flying club? engine factory? engine overhauled factory? If they check
engine factory and the engine overhauled factory, they may only can know
when the engine was made or when it was overhauled. It still hard to see how is
the condition now. Because it is hard to see where was the engine. Do you have
the log book or a copy?
Best
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug
To: Andrew Zheng (Canada)
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 8:25 AM
Subject: Re
Andrew,
Do you have a left and right upper engine mount support? Part number is
H2-6401-00Y and H2-6401-00Z (left and right) Must be new. I need then quickly.
Best,
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Zheng (Canada)
To: Doug
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: Overhauled engine
Doug,
It look like overhauled engine not a new one and put in a incorrect place
for long time. Dose the engine come with log book and a certificate tell
you when it made from factory and some thing else. The tap said it is a 6A. I
think that you may buy engines from me because I have some air force friends and
my Chinese CJ mechanics who at least worked on CJ for 25 years. They know all
things about CJ.
Best
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug
To: (Andrew)
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:08 PM
Subject: Overhauled engine
Andrew,
I need a little help. My parts supplier in China recently sold me
a factory NEW 285 hp engine. But when the engine arrived it was not new, it was
a overhauled "6" type not new "6A" type. Someone had also removed one cylinder,
then replaced it but had not bent down the cly base nut locks. The number
of this engine is 201-H6A943404
I have attached a photo of the data tag for your information. Do you
think this is a Factory new engine?? All the paint is worn off the engine
tag. Tag is old, how can engine be NEW??
Perhaps you know of this engine?? Please let me know soon.
With best regards,
Douglas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> No Andrew, The engine was sold for $9,000.00. You have copied my price
> list, you should know my prices.
>
> Also you did not explain your comment when you wrote-- "You need clean up
> this now." If you are referring to my standing behind this engine, have no
> fear. As my pappy used to say "my word is my bond". Even though my Chinese
> vendors do not stand behind their engines, I will stand behind this one even
> if it means loosing money. That's how the system works.
>
> Andrew, if you want to continue this please contact me off list at
> rvfltd@televar.com
>
> Best,
> Doug Sapp
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Zheng (China)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
> clean?)
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)"
> <cjcyak@163bj.com>
> >
> > I remember you sold this engine for $12,000. is it right?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andrew Zheng (China)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
> clean?)
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)"
> <cjcyak@163bj.com>
> > >
> > > Doug,
> > > Is the engine without any information(no log book, no records...even
> don't know where the engine come from)that you wanted to me to find out some
> information from China for you. How do you know it is first time overhauled
> engine now? You need clean up this now.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to
> come clean?)
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> > > >
> > > > One short note about this aircraft:
> > > > It continues to plague the owner with problems. I sold the owner a
> 1st time
> > > > over hauled engine, it was installed by Randy Thorne, who did an
> excellent
> > > > job. But this engine has, after an hour or so of run time developed a
> > > > problem of exceedingly high case pressures, which blow huge quantities
> of
> > > > oil out of the rear case vent and all over the aircraft when RPM is at
> or
> > > > near cruise settings. Unfortunately, this problem seems (at this
> time)
> > > > unfixable as no one in the US has the tools, knowledge or the manuals
> to
> > > > overhaul these engines. This engine has what seems to be a defective
> blower
> > > > gasket/seal and I am sure I will part it out in an effort to cut my
> losses.
> > > > I am now arranging to send a replacement engine to Randy. I sincerely
> hope
> > > > that this solves the problem and the owner can finally get back in the
> air.
> > > > Maybe in time for Red Star.
> > > >
> > > > Always Yakin,
> > > > Doug Sapp
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
> > > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
> > > > clean?)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > There are ways to do this without getting everybody's knickers in a
> knot.
> > > > EBay,
> > > > > Amazon, and others allow individuals to write reviews of products.
> No
> > > > reason we
> > > > > cannot do the same. To someone contemplating purchasing an airplane
> they
> > > > can go
> > > > > to the archives and read what people have said. The key is that all
> > > > reviews
> > > > > must involve first-hand experience with the vendor, no "well, I know
> a guy
> > > > who
> > > > > knows a guy who says ..."
> > > > >
> > > > > All I can say is that I have had direct dealings with Yakity Yaks,
> Doug
> > > > Sapp,
> > > > > and the Selbys. I have been pleased with the results in all three
> cases.
> > > > I
> > > > > have picked up an airplane from Andrew Zhang for a student and the
> student
> > > > is
> > > > > still having trouble with the airplane two years later. In fact, in
> two
> > > > years
> > > > > he has only been able to fly the airplane about 10 hours.
> > > > >
> > > > > Statements like, "...always keep a large jar of Vasoline with you,"
> are
> > > > > unproductive. Perhaps better would be something with facts and
> substance.
> > > > >
> > > > > I flew down to Van Nuys to pick up an aircraft for a student. It
> was
> > > > brought in
> > > > > by Andrew Zhang and assembled by, I believe, Bill Scully. When I
> went to
> > > > fly
> > > > > the airplane away the battery was dead and the air had leaked away.
> The
> > > > battery
> > > > > installation was in my opinion marginally airworthy, consisting of a
> pair
> > > > of
> > > > > motorcycle batteries in series and the battery box had been modified
> in
> > > > such a
> > > > > way as to preclude any protection for the batteries and wiring.
> Holes for
> > > > the
> > > > > wires were not properly dressed and chafing was a potential problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > The airplane had been signed off as having completed its phase-1
> > > > requirements
> > > > > but I detected serious pitot-static errors in the ASI in flight.
> The
> > > > > encoder/altimeter correspondence checks had been signed off in the
> log.
> > > > Checks
> > > > > with ATC indicated that the altimeter and the encoder agreed within
> about
> > > > 150'
> > > > > at all altitudes.
> > > > >
> > > > > When I reached Cameron Park I noticed an excessive amount of oil on
> the
> > > > outside
> > > > > aircraft. Further examination showed that more than one of the
> cylinders
> > > > had
> > > > > excessively loose cylinder base nuts requiring all the cylinders to
> be
> > > > removed,
> > > > > the case inspected for fretting, and the cylinders reinstalled with
> proper
> > > > base
> > > > > gaskets and bolt torque. The pitot/static system was blown out to
> remove
> > > > > entrapped water and the ASI and other P/S instruments then worked
> properly
> > > > on
> > > > > the subsequent test flight. Unfortunately the flap extension system
> > > > exhibited
> > > > > problems which required the shuttle valves to be cleaned. It
> appeared
> > > > they had
> > > > > never been serviced.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the next flight the prop blew a seal during taxi. Fortunately my
> > > > wingman
> > > > > noticed the smoke (the airplane looked like it had a smoke-oil
> system
> > > > going) and
> > > > > warned me before take-off. Upon shut-down the engine/prop began to
> dump
> > > > large
> > > > > quantities of oil on the ramp. This was repaired.
> > > > >
> > > > > The paint began to chip off in places indicating that whoever
> applied the
> > > > paint
> > > > > had not performed proper preparation before applying the paint.
> > > > >
> > > > > The owner came out for dual instruction in the aircraft. We
> performed the
> > > > > instruction without problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > The airplane began exhibiting an increase in oil consumption but I
> decided
> > > > to
> > > > > fly it to see if oil consumption would stabilize. I flew it to Red
> Star
> > > > last
> > > > > year. On take-off to return to Cameron Park the brake cable on the
> > > > forward
> > > > > stick broke as I was taxiing into position on the runway for a
> formation
> > > > > take-off. I was able to exit the runway under aerodynamic control
> and
> > > > roll to a
> > > > > stop on the taxi way clear of the runway. The airplane was towed
> back to
> > > > the
> > > > > ramp and tied down.
> > > > >
> > > > > I returned for the airplane a couple weeks later. The engine
> exhibited a
> > > > > hydraulic lock which was rectified by removing the lower spark plugs
> and
> > > > intake
> > > > > drain plugs and pulling the engine through multiple times. There
> was
> > > > > substantial oil in the cylinders. The engine was pulled through and
> all
> > > > the oil
> > > > > drained from the cylinders. As it was very hot I went inside for a
> cup of
> > > > water
> > > > > before returning to depart with the airplane. Since only 10 minutes
> had
> > > > elapsed
> > > > > since I had cleared the lock I did not pull the engine through
> again.
> > > > When I
> > > > > started the engine it hydraulic locked when it fired. End of
> engine.
> > > > >
> > > > > The airplane now has a new engine courtesy of Doug Sapp. I do not
> know
> > > > where
> > > > > the owner stands in his dealing with Andrew Zhang.
> > > > >
> > > > > Those are facts. You may draw any conclusion you please from them.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite
> 201
> > > > > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> > > > > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> > > > >
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> > > >
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
From: Dave Strawn
Subject: David Strawn's CJ
Andrew, I just wrote a check to Doug Sapp for $12,500 for a Huosai engine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> No Andrew, The engine was sold for $9,000.00. You have copied my price
> list, you should know my prices.
>
> Also you did not explain your comment when you wrote-- "You need clean up
> this now." If you are referring to my standing behind this engine, have no
> fear. As my pappy used to say "my word is my bond". Even though my Chinese
> vendors do not stand behind their engines, I will stand behind this one even
> if it means loosing money. That's how the system works.
>
> Andrew, if you want to continue this please contact me off list at
> rvfltd@televar.com
>
> Best,
> Doug Sapp
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Zheng (China)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
> clean?)
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)"
> <cjcyak@163bj.com>
> >
> > I remember you sold this engine for $12,000. is it right?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andrew Zheng (China)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
> clean?)
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)"
> <cjcyak@163bj.com>
> > >
> > > Doug,
> > > Is the engine without any information(no log book, no records...even
> don't know where the engine come from)that you wanted to me to find out some
> information from China for you. How do you know it is first time overhauled
> engine now? You need clean up this now.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to
> come clean?)
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> > > >
> > > > One short note about this aircraft:
> > > > It continues to plague the owner with problems. I sold the owner a
> 1st time
> > > > over hauled engine, it was installed by Randy Thorne, who did an
> excellent
> > > > job. But this engine has, after an hour or so of run time developed a
> > > > problem of exceedingly high case pressures, which blow huge quantities
> of
> > > > oil out of the rear case vent and all over the aircraft when RPM is at
> or
> > > > near cruise settings. Unfortunately, this problem seems (at this
> time)
> > > > unfixable as no one in the US has the tools, knowledge or the manuals
> to
> > > > overhaul these engines. This engine has what seems to be a defective
> blower
> > > > gasket/seal and I am sure I will part it out in an effort to cut my
> losses.
> > > > I am now arranging to send a replacement engine to Randy. I sincerely
> hope
> > > > that this solves the problem and the owner can finally get back in the
> air.
> > > > Maybe in time for Red Star.
> > > >
> > > > Always Yakin,
> > > > Doug Sapp
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
> > > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
> > > > clean?)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > There are ways to do this without getting everybody's knickers in a
> knot.
> > > > EBay,
> > > > > Amazon, and others allow individuals to write reviews of products.
> No
> > > > reason we
> > > > > cannot do the same. To someone contemplating purchasing an airplane
> they
> > > > can go
> > > > > to the archives and read what people have said. The key is that all
> > > > reviews
> > > > > must involve first-hand experience with the vendor, no "well, I know
> a guy
> > > > who
> > > > > knows a guy who says ..."
> > > > >
> > > > > All I can say is that I have had direct dealings with Yakity Yaks,
> Doug
> > > > Sapp,
> > > > > and the Selbys. I have been pleased with the results in all three
> cases.
> > > > I
> > > > > have picked up an airplane from Andrew Zhang for a student and the
> student
> > > > is
> > > > > still having trouble with the airplane two years later. In fact, in
> two
> > > > years
> > > > > he has only been able to fly the airplane about 10 hours.
> > > > >
> > > > > Statements like, "...always keep a large jar of Vasoline with you,"
> are
> > > > > unproductive. Perhaps better would be something with facts and
> substance.
> > > > >
> > > > > I flew down to Van Nuys to pick up an aircraft for a student. It
> was
> > > > brought in
> > > > > by Andrew Zhang and assembled by, I believe, Bill Scully. When I
> went to
> > > > fly
> > > > > the airplane away the battery was dead and the air had leaked away.
> The
> > > > battery
> > > > > installation was in my opinion marginally airworthy, consisting of a
> pair
> > > > of
> > > > > motorcycle batteries in series and the battery box had been modified
> in
> > > > such a
> > > > > way as to preclude any protection for the batteries and wiring.
> Holes for
> > > > the
> > > > > wires were not properly dressed and chafing was a potential problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > The airplane had been signed off as having completed its phase-1
> > > > requirements
> > > > > but I detected serious pitot-static errors in the ASI in flight.
> The
> > > > > encoder/altimeter correspondence checks had been signed off in the
> log.
> > > > Checks
> > > > > with ATC indicated that the altimeter and the encoder agreed within
> about
> > > > 150'
> > > > > at all altitudes.
> > > > >
> > > > > When I reached Cameron Park I noticed an excessive amount of oil on
> the
> > > > outside
> > > > > aircraft. Further examination showed that more than one of the
> cylinders
> > > > had
> > > > > excessively loose cylinder base nuts requiring all the cylinders to
> be
> > > > removed,
> > > > > the case inspected for fretting, and the cylinders reinstalled with
> proper
> > > > base
> > > > > gaskets and bolt torque. The pitot/static system was blown out to
> remove
> > > > > entrapped water and the ASI and other P/S instruments then worked
> properly
> > > > on
> > > > > the subsequent test flight. Unfortunately the flap extension system
> > > > exhibited
> > > > > problems which required the shuttle valves to be cleaned. It
> appeared
> > > > they had
> > > > > never been serviced.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the next flight the prop blew a seal during taxi. Fortunately my
> > > > wingman
> > > > > noticed the smoke (the airplane looked like it had a smoke-oil
> system
> > > > going) and
> > > > > warned me before take-off. Upon shut-down the engine/prop began to
> dump
> > > > large
> > > > > quantities of oil on the ramp. This was repaired.
> > > > >
> > > > > The paint began to chip off in places indicating that whoever
> applied the
> > > > paint
> > > > > had not performed proper preparation before applying the paint.
> > > > >
> > > > > The owner came out for dual instruction in the aircraft. We
> performed the
> > > > > instruction without problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > The airplane began exhibiting an increase in oil consumption but I
> decided
> > > > to
> > > > > fly it to see if oil consumption would stabilize. I flew it to Red
> Star
> > > > last
> > > > > year. On take-off to return to Cameron Park the brake cable on the
> > > > forward
> > > > > stick broke as I was taxiing into position on the runway for a
> formation
> > > > > take-off. I was able to exit the runway under aerodynamic control
> and
> > > > roll to a
> > > > > stop on the taxi way clear of the runway. The airplane was towed
> back to
> > > > the
> > > > > ramp and tied down.
> > > > >
> > > > > I returned for the airplane a couple weeks later. The engine
> exhibited a
> > > > > hydraulic lock which was rectified by removing the lower spark plugs
> and
> > > > intake
> > > > > drain plugs and pulling the engine through multiple times. There
> was
> > > > > substantial oil in the cylinders. The engine was pulled through and
> all
> > > > the oil
> > > > > drained from the cylinders. As it was very hot I went inside for a
> cup of
> > > > water
> > > > > before returning to depart with the airplane. Since only 10 minutes
> had
> > > > elapsed
> > > > > since I had cleared the lock I did not pull the engine through
> again.
> > > > When I
> > > > > started the engine it hydraulic locked when it fired. End of
> engine.
> > > > >
> > > > > The airplane now has a new engine courtesy of Doug Sapp. I do not
> know
> > > > where
> > > > > the owner stands in his dealing with Andrew Zhang.
> > > > >
> > > > > Those are facts. You may draw any conclusion you please from them.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite
> 201
> > > > > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> > > > > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> > > > >
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clean?)
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
Does anybody wonder how an email sent by David Strawn to JN would have a
subject line referring to himself in the third person?
Andrew Zheng (China) wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
>
>From: Dave Strawn
>To: JN (Andrew)
>Subject: David Strawn's CJ
>
>
>Andrew, I just wrote a check to Doug Sapp for $12,500 for a Huosai engine.
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talewis@attbi.com>
Lou.,
You might check the archives for info on testing the generator.
I remember a couple of post on flashing the field etc.
Terry
----- Original Message -----
From: Lou Dakos <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au>
Subject: Yak-List: generator
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lou Dakos" <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au>
>
> My genaretor is not charging the warnng light is on all the time, new
engine and generator I have checked regulator seems ok, but I have been
looking at the scematics so long I have lost the plot is there a modern
replacement for the regulator? I will be removing the generator and mounting
it for a test run tonight just to make sure its charging.
>
>
> Lou
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sam Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
Hi Lou,
I am using the B&C 35 Amp Alternator with an external regulator and built to
aviation regs specs. This one is a gem! (costs like one, too). It weighs
in at 7lbs (!) (net savings of 20 lbs on the firewall) and has been working
on my M-14P CJ flawlessly for three years now.
They may have a special going on during Sun-n-fun.
Good luck,
Sam Sax
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lou Dakos
Subject: Yak-List: generator
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Lou Dakos" <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au>
My genaretor is not charging the warnng light is on all the time, new engine
and generator I have checked regulator seems ok, but I have been looking at
the scematics so long I have lost the plot is there a modern replacement
for the regulator? I will be removing the generator and mounting it for a
test run tonight just to make sure its charging.
Lou
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clean?)
--> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net>
Where is the date that it was sent and the normal email tag line above?
Interesting.......
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Ivey
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to
come clean?)
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
Does anybody wonder how an email sent by David Strawn to JN would have a
subject line referring to himself in the third person?
Andrew Zheng (China) wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
>
>From: Dave Strawn
>To: JN (Andrew)
>Subject: David Strawn's CJ
>
>
>Andrew, I just wrote a check to Doug Sapp for $12,500 for a Huosai
engine.
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Yes, there are many sides to every story. Just thought I'd throw in my
objective first hand account...again. There are obviously some very
hard feelings and I do not intend to bring them into question by this
report.
I bought my CJ 3 years ago from Andrew and Jennifer. I have been very
pleased with the quality, in fact Bill Blackwell (who has seen a number
of imports) remarked that it was the nicest one he'd seen in a long
time. We have not had any major issues with the airplane...all the
controls are in good shape, the airplane is clean and straight, etc.
We've had some minor sheetmetal repair, which is to be expected. In one
control surface we found a birds nest, and found Halls cough drops
shoved into one wing (what gives there?), but nothing that made the
airworthiness of the plane questionable in any regard. I did have
faulty/corroded fuel senders...which Andrew promptly replaced. They
also faxed me copies of the original logs which I misplaced during my
move. Additionally, they helped me with some registration hassles I had
with the FAA.
It sounds as though Ray has thoroughly gone through his airplane....as
everyone should. Most "overhauls" are not up to American standards. As
an example, I wonder how many sets of landing gear have been completely
taken apart? My guess is not many because there would be more concern
for the proper operation/maintenance of them if you could see what they
looked like. (BTW, I'll be posting these photos at some point on
allredstar.com)
Bottom line is I have had a very reasonable relationship with Andrew.
I'm aware that others have not, but I think people should know there's
more than two sides to this story.
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Andrew,
I do not know what your meaning is here. Yes Dave, was talking about a
factory new engine @ $12,500.00, but the engine turned out to be not a new
engine but a 1st overhaul. The price was lowed to $9000.00, which is my
regular price for a first overhaul CJ engine. Why you are worrying about my
business I have no idea, it would seem that you have big enough problems
yourself. I really do not want to sound ungrateful for the bit of help you
gave me on translating the green tag on the engine, but this matter is
really between Dave and myself and does not concern you. Should Dave be
unhappy with this deal I would think he would do as I have suggested and
post his unhappiness in detail on the list after he had exhausted all
reasonable avenues to resolve the issue. Your unrelenting insistence that
I sold this engine for $12500, and your inability to grasp the concept of
what is correct and acceptable content for posting to the list, only make me
believe, that you are attempting to somehow, for some reason discredit me
with he other list members. If you wish to confirm the purchase price I
would suggest that you do so with Dave. I am quite frankly surprised and a
bit saddened that you would (as they say in China) "show your ugly face" on
this matter, as you have absolutely nothing to gain here except the
satisfaction of dragging me down. I have gone out of my way to not
personally attack you on the list as I have no actual knowledge of your
business dealings other than our conversations about parts, but I have and
will always defend our right to post and read this type of information as I
believe it make the community stronger.
Again Andrew, contact me at rvfltd@televar.com if you have further
questions or comments. Any further comments posted by you to the list about
this matter will go unanswered by me.
Best
Doug Sapp
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| Subject: | Misleading Statement |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Andrew Zheng <goldtel@shaw.ca>
Quick clarify comment. The 6 CJs we brought in 3 years ago, which were sold to
Ray Stallings, Berry Hancock and others, were never advertised as "overhauled".
Both Ray Stallings and Berry Hancock bought their planes in crate in "as is"
conditions, not flyable conditions. The reason Ray Stallings chose to buy an
"as is" CJ instead of a flyable one was that his brother was a mechanic who promised
to assemble the plane for him. Our mechanic offered Ray Stallings that
he would solve all the problems and sold him a CJ with airworthy. But he refused.
He chose his brother.
Ray Stallings, please read our purchase agreement one more time, and show us where
does it state that the plane is being sold to you in airworthy condition?
Your English is much better than ours and YOU wrote the agreement. If you want
to complain, complain yourself. Besides, it was you who spent 2 days examine
all the available planes at the airport. You knew what you were buying before
you sent us the payment. By the way, I still keep the NSF cheque that you sent
for partial payment of that airplane.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray P. Stallings" <JetJockey@alumni.utexas.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Wow!! You guys are scaring me from buying a CJ6
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ray P. Stallings" <JetJockey@alumni.utexas.net>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come |
clean?)
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Doug wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Andrew,
> I do not know what your meaning is here. Yes Dave, was talking about a
> factory new engine @ $12,500.00, but the engine turned out to be not a new
> engine but a 1st overhaul. The price was lowed to $9000.00, which is my
> regular price for a first overhaul CJ engine. Why you are worrying about my
> business I have no idea, it would seem that you have big enough problems
> yourself.
I believe he is trying to discredit you, me, the Selbys, and anyone else who has
commented here. Why else would he want to imply that you lied, that I lied,
that I failed to pay my debts, etc.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: Misleading Statement |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Andrew Zheng wrote:
> Ray Stallings, please read our purchase agreement one more time, and show us
> where does it state that the plane is being sold to you in airworthy
> condition? Your English is much better than ours and YOU wrote the agreement.
> If you want to complain, complain yourself. Besides, it was you who spent 2
> days examine all the available planes at the airport. You knew what you were
> buying before you sent us the payment.
Right, caveat emptor, "let the buyer beware." That is all anyone here wants --
that the buyer is wary.
Andrew, there is a place for airplanes with no warrantee and no assumption of
airworthiness. I like airplanes like that because I know I will be restoring it
and that it will be in like-new condition when I am all done.
But not everyone who comes to you is looking for that type of airplane. I don't
think you know how to identify and differentiate between a good one from a bad
one so some unsuspecting people unfortunately get something different from what
they think they are getting.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ray P. Stallings" <JetJockey@alumni.utexas.net>
Brian,
I knew exactly what I was buying, or so I was led to believe. I took this
couple at their word and got burned. If Andrew is being told by his Chinese
"friends" that these aircraft are being overhauled and inspected, and
believes it, he has absolutely no business selling them. I personally
believe he knows all to well what he is selling. I can only speculate that
Barry Hancock got decent treatment from them because they were attempting to
sell several other aircraft at the time and the bad PR would have been
detrimental to them. They also needed to keep Bill Scully on the hook. As
a matter of fact, Barry is the ONLY person I have ever met or spoken with
that has ANYTHING positive to say about their dealings with this couple.
I've been pretty quiet about all of this on the list for a long time but I
am really concerned that some unsuspecting buyer is going to have something
much more serious than just financial damage done to them by purchasing one
of these aircraft and not having a professional go through EVERY critical
component before operating it. People are free to do what they please, they
just need to be informed. This issue has been bothering me for quite a
while, I've got if off conscience now. If anyone desires any additional
info, please contact me directly.
FYI: This is my response to a threatening letter from Andrew Zheng (JN
Trading) dtd. 19 Feb 2000. I never received any response from him or his
wife.
Dear Andrew,
Thank you for your letter. I gather that you feel that I am not happy with
the aircraft you sold me. Nothing could be further from the truth. What I am
unhappy about is the swapping of junk components for parts that apparently
still have value to you or someone else in China. Before I answer your
allegations, let me assure you that I have evidence and facts to back up
everything that I have said to you and everyone else that I may have
discussed our transaction with. I went so far as to send you pictures of the
intentional disguising of the junk parts that were substituted on my
aircraft hoping that you could provide me with a rational explanation as to
how this came to be. My intent is not to damage your reputation or your
business. On the contrary, I stated to you and Jennifer on numerous
occasions that I could be of assistance in securing more sales if I was
satisfied with my dealings with you.
Now, let me address your e-mail point by point:
First, I fully understand that these aircraft are not certified to fly in
the U.S. at the time they come ashore. Your advertisement on the other hand
states, "These aircraft were flyable and had been carefully inspected,
repaired, and test engines in China before shipping .. " My complaint is
that there are major components on my aircraft that could not possibly have
been on this aircraft when it was retired from service and definitely would
not have been approved for any aircraft that supposedly underwent an
"overhaul." These parts are simply not airworthy, and in some cases not
even repairable. The trim linkage, for instance, was totally rusted to dust.
Andrew, if you went out and bought a used car and the seller swapped
numerous parts from a junkyard for various good parts on the car after you
had paid him for it, you would start to understand why I am very upset about
this. As a buyer, you are fully aware that the car won't be perfect, it has
been used. But you dont expect to pay for scrap either. I asked you in my
e-mail dated 25 October 99 for your assurance that these aircraft were not
junk. (See the enclosed copy of my message to you.) Both you and Jennifer
assured me that these aircraft were better than anything I could obtain from
Yakity Yaks. This is simply not the case.
AZ>The reason you did not buy a flyable CJ locally was that you wanted to
save some money by doing the modification and certification yourself.
RS>What is your point? Of course I wanted to save the money. The mods and
certification are not anywhere as expensive as what you wanted to charge for
them. Additionally, I probably would have never discovered the junk parts if
I had let you sell me a "fly-away" aircraft. Now I understand that the FAA
will not let any of your CJ aircraft fly out of El Monte anyway. Trucking my
aircraft home was probably the best thing I could have done.
AZ>After these 6 CJs arrived El Monte Airport, CA, you and your friend came
to inspect the aircraft.
RS>This is correct. There was nothing else I could have inspected short of
cutting open the control surfaces and putting paint stripper on the aircraft
to discover the problems that I have since found. If everything was in the
condition that you represented it, we would not be having this disagreement.
Please explain how a bogus serial number got painted over the original
serial numbers on the horizontal stabilizer if someone was not trying to
deceive the buyer into thinking the tail was as new as the aircraft it was
mounted on. Please explain how they ran the engine in the videotape you
showed me with an oil cooler that was disconnected.
AZ>We phoned you couple of times and left message, but you never responded
or explained.
RS>I felt that after calling, faxing, and e-mailing you numerous times and
not getting any response, I would try the same tactic.
AZ>You asked us to pull down the landing gears and agree to pay the extra
cost beside the price of the airplane on our contract. I can send you a copy
of our contract if you do not keep yours. We used 1 crane and 4 people to
work 1 hour to have the work done. After you switched to another plane, we
rented a crane and 4 people worked again to get the second plane's landing
gears down. For this hundreds of dollars of crane renting and labor, you
have never paid even a penny.
RS>This was a cost to be borne by you, per the contract. You did the same
for the other buyers and did not charge them either. For your information, I
did compensate Bill Scully for his time, even though I did not ask him to do
any work on my behalf.
AZ>When you first report that the wing bolts are not good, we were trying to
resolve this problem. Andrew phoned Bill to checked our spare parts and
contacted China. They can provide us some bolts but could not arrive very
quick. We also try to contact another company who we just sold some parts
to. Because that was Christmas time, we was waiting for the holiday over.
However, on your December 30 email, you already received the bolts from
someone else. After received your email reporting other problems, Andrew
phoned China again to find it out.
RS>How was I supposed to know that you were doing anything to resolve my
concerns? Jennifer said that she would call me back later the same day I
called her to tell her about the wing attach bolt problem. She never called
back. Numerous phone calls, e-mails, and faxes went unanswered. I want to
fly this aircraft, not have it sit as a static display in my hangar, so I
sought the parts elsewhere. Without those sixteen very specialized nuts and
bolts, I might as well have bought a pile of aluminum scrap. I sent you the
bill with a letter explaining that the cost of the nuts and bolts should not
be an expense I should have to bear since they were obviously damaged by the
person(s) that removed them. Once again, I heard nothing back from you. It
was a couple of weeks later that I discovered the junk parts and the effort
that was made to disguise them. It was at this point that I stopped payment
on the check until you made a good faith effort to resolve the problem. Now
I have found that the oil cooler was swapped for one that is totally
unusable. I assume this was done after the videotape of the engine run-up
you showed me was made. The person(s) performing this service didnt even
bother hooking the new oil cooler up or putting the access panel back on
correctly. I guess they were pressed for time.
AZ>It is very common in China that some of the parts are not always came
from the same plane as long as the changed parts are working well. As for
the hole under the fabric, they told us that this plane was transferred from
other airport. They did not change the fabric so they did not notice the
hole.
RS>Swapping of parts is not uncommon in our military either. My dispute is
that I specifically asked you on several different occasions if this
aircraft was original or was something that had a damage history. This is
the primary reason I requested a different aircraft upon inspection at El
Monte. I did not want an aircraft that you had swapped out two separate
wings on and neglected to tell me about until the day I arrived. You
assured me that the two aircraft I was interested in were 1985 models with
no damage history. How can you claim this is a 1985 aircraft when many of
the major components are off early 1960s aircraft? Additionally, upon
inspection of the internal structure of the port wing, we discovered it has
sustained major damage and has had a very poor repair done. This is a
problem that I have not even addressed with you yet because the damaged wing
is part of the original aircraft and it appeared that the repair had been
done long ago. Like you said, I knew I did not buy a "perfect" airplane. All
I can assume is that the Chinese do not keep accurate records of repairs
like our military does since you told me that the aircraft had never been
damaged. (See your email reply.)
AZ>They told us that the tail and the hole under fabric will not affect
flying the plane. This is very small airplane, not as Boeing or Airbus that
have to be perfect.
RS>Andrew, I am an Aerospace Engineer, a retired Naval Aviator, and a
Commercial Airline Pilot. I know what I am talking about when it comes to
aircraft structural integrity. Believe me, the damage to the elevator and
rudder structure would definitely have adversely affected the flight
characteristics of the aircraft. In fact, the rudder would not have
sustained even one flight. Your assertion that this aircraft does not have
to be as perfect as a Boeing or Airbus is correct, it has to be more
perfect. Airliners have numerous back-up systems to compensate for component
and system failures. The CJ-6 has none, it has to be correct or you will
die. This is why I am so adamant about you letting the other buyers know
about the problems that I have uncovered and why I want you to come clean
and tell me what other problems I may not have discovered yet. Im not
talking about cosmetic items or the normal wear and tear you would expect on
a retired military aircraft, I want to know what else was swapped for
sub-standard parts and I want to know if this engine and propeller really
have the time on them that you represented to me.
AZ>If you are really not satisfied on this plane, you can send it back and
we will refund you.
RS>As I stated earlier, I am very satisfied with the aircraft in general.
What I am NOT satisfied with is your lack of responsiveness to my legitimate
concerns and your misleading statements to me regarding the history and
condition of this aircraft.
AZ>We think you better buy a flyable CJ so that you do not worry about any
thing.
RS>I will have a flying CJ very soon, probably sooner than you will have
your certified aircraft flying. I will not be worried about anything
aircraft related because I will have gone through every last part of that
aircraft before I ever think about flying it and I know my work is much
better than anything you could have provided based upon my experience to
date.
AZ>Use your mind to think what is this big difference for. You should be
content with your plane. Even $43,000 is the lowest price for an in-box CJ.
Can you buy a CJ with this price anywhere else in the States? Everybody who
buys a CJ in-box is prepared to do a lot work to get it flyable. You are not
exempt. If you think you are buying a flyable Cj, why you truck it back
instead of fly it home?
RS>Are you saying that I should be content after being cheated and lied to?
Just lay down and take it? I don't think so! Dont fool yourself if you
think I got a great deal on this aircraft. I passed up 3 other aircraft that
were in much better condition than this one for considerably less money. I
passed them up because I took your word that this was a much better
aircraft. (Once again, see your email response to me regarding this.) Of
course I knew there would be work required to get the airplane up to my
standards. I enjoy doing this kind of thing, that is the reason I took the
airplane home with me. And as I stated earlier, it appears now that I could
not have flown the aircraft out of El Monte even if I wanted to. Could it be
that the Long Beach FSDO has discovered some of the same problems on those
aircraft that I found on mine?
AZ>We should not be responsible for any thing.
RS>Try putting that statement in your advertisements and see how many
aircraft you sell.
AZ>Besides, you fabric story and slander, defame us, try to ruin our
business, how can we continue to take care of your airplane? We were
thinking you have a good career and should behave uprightly. We never imaged
you could use these base means for money. And, if you keep doing this, we
will take legal action. you will pay for the damage on our fame and our
business.
RS>Continue to take care of my airplane? That is what this whole discussion
is about! I called you when I found I could not mount the wings on the
aircraft because someone had ruined the bolts. No help. I called you when I
found that someone had put unserviceable junk parts on the aircraft. No
help. I have not seen a single example of you taking care of my airplane so
far.
Andrew, I stated earlier, I have no intention of "ruining your business"
unless it is the business of cheating people or putting them in danger. I
have much better things to do than write lengthy replies to your attacks on
me. All I want you to do is deal in good faith and provide me with what you
told me you would for my purchase price. In addition to the aircraft
problems I have detailed, you said you would provide me with logbooks. You
provided me with 5 Xerox pages that cannot even be assured are from my
aircraft. You said you would provide me with Flight and Maintenance Manuals.
I got 3 very poor Xerox copies of books that for the most part are illegible
and useless to me.
Andrew, you may very well be a victim of this fraud like me. If this is the
case, then please just admit that to me so we can go forward and try to seek
a mutual solution, but do not threaten me. As I stated early in my letter, I
can back up every thing I have said with FACTS and EVIDENCE OF FRAUD. You
have seen the pictures of what I can provide your lawyer. I have plenty more
if you would like me to forward them to you. If you choose to pursue legal
action against me, be my guest. It will be to your detriment.
I hope you can understand where I am coming from. I have no personal
vendetta against you or your wife. As I stated in my last letter to you, I
felt you were good, honest, hard-working people when we met in December. It
is my sincere hope that you will stop wasting your time with the overt
threats and start working with me to resolve this issue.
Sincerely,
Ray P. Stallings
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Does anyone have the info. on balancing the elevator assembly on a CJ? I have made
a repair that ads 1.8oz to the trailing edge but I have recovered with ceconite
102 which should be lighter than the linen. There are no added weights on
the counter balance stud. The other elevator is still linen
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Ray P. Stallings wrote:
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> Brian,
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> I knew exactly what I was buying, or so I was led to believe. I took this
> couple at their word and got burned. If Andrew is being told by his Chinese
> "friends" that these aircraft are being overhauled and inspected, and
> believes it, he has absolutely no business selling them. I personally
> believe he knows all to well what he is selling.
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