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1. 03:19 AM - Re: Map Rooms update (Gus Fraser)
2. 03:33 AM - Re: Yak-List Re: discount CJ's (Brian Lloyd)
3. 03:40 AM - Re: elevator balancing tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, (Brian Lloyd)
4. 05:59 AM - Hi I'm a low time PP & I'm here to tell you how to buy an airplane. (Rosie Thepig)
5. 06:43 AM - Re: Hi I'm a low time PP & I'm here to tell you how to (Brian Lloyd)
6. 08:03 AM - Re: Hi I'm a low time PP & I'm here to tell you how to buy an airpl... (EyeBLS@aol.com)
7. 09:36 AM - apology (Rosie Thepig)
8. 10:49 AM - Oshkosh/Manitowoc (JAmund1009@aol.com)
9. 10:54 AM - Meigs: It ain't over till thefat lady sings (Walt Fricke)
10. 04:46 PM - AV-BLEND or ALCOR TCP (Gus Fraser)
11. 06:08 PM - Rebuilding YAK-52 uplocks (Frank Haertlein)
12. 08:13 PM - Re: [Acro] More good news Re: Meigs (William Halverson)
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| Subject: | Map Rooms update |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
Barry, I give up. I have registered three times already, nope not there.
Gus
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
Subject: Yak-List: Map Rooms update
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Hi gang,
I have again updated most of the map rooms on the site. If you have
registered on allredstar.com in the last couple of weeks, please check
to make sure that your information is there and is accurate. If you
have not yet "formed up" you can do so at:
http://www.allredstar.com/Recruiting_Office.asp
Curiously, the Northwest Region is under-represented at this point. Of
course, Doug Sapp lead by example, now he just needs his green/clean-air
loving brethren to follow... :)
Red Star West '03 has over 30 registered already....well ahead of last
year's pace.
Thanks for all your support, we still have a long way to go and we hope
to see more articles submitted by our members to advance the cause.
If you're headed out of town, take a look at our flight planning
page...it's received high praise from our members.
http://www.allredstar.com/Flight_Planning.asp
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Re: discount CJ's |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Mike McCoy wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike McCoy" <mike@aircraftsales.com>
>
> Ray, you had a good idea about a liability release waiver, but unfortunately
> releases aren't worth the paper they are written on, legally speaking. Any
> good attorney will tell you that you can't sign away your rights.
100% correct.
> In addition, Brian is right. I'm sure that he and others can make up a
> checklist and any other documents that are desired. The question is whether
> someone that has skimped on buying a good airplane will spend the money to
> properly assemble and maintain their airplane, checklist or not. All you
> have to do is look at many of the people that have had accidents and
> incidents. They have a lot in common: bought a cheap airplane, skimped on
> assembly and maintenance, skimped on training, had an accident. Seems very
> simple to me.
I agree with this 100% too. Whoa! Red letter week! Brian and Mike agree 100%
twice in one week! Isn't that one of the signs of the impending apocalypse?
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: elevator balancing tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Walt Lannon wrote:
> Your repair may make a small difference. I would install the elevators with
> new or definately serviceable bearings, level the aircraft and check
> position. If necessary adjust counterbalance weight.
> If anyone out there has specs. for CJ6 control balancing I would sure
> appreciate the information.
I don't have specs but the purpose is clear. If the trailing edge of the
elevator is heavy acceleration loads can excite flutter. The goal is to have
the balance neutral if possible so that acceleration loads will not deflect the
elevator. When done the elevator should have neutral balance and stay where you
put it.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Hi I'm a low time PP & I'm here to tell you how to buy an airplane. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Rosie Thepig <rosiethepig@hdvestmail.com>
Here comes another low time smoking hole. No sense trying to talk any sense to
him or his clueless friends. They already know it all. I'm afraid he might very
well be signing off permanently. Amazing.
Lisa
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg and Amy Medford" <medford007@qwest.net>
>
> Hi Guys,
> Well, I have been getting these messages sent to me for a couple years now
> through my friend Don Andrews. I guess he sends stuff that he thinks I'll find
> interesting. To save him the trouble I broke one of my cardinal rules: "NEVER
> join chat rooms," and I did just that. I guess it was about a week ago that
> I started receiving e-mails from the list and I am blown away by the amount
> of useless conjecture and tripe that has infected my computer.
> Either people have been screwed for great deals of money and done nothing
> about it (time to get up and make you move or pipe down) or they made bad deals
> and are sore about it, embarrassed, and running off uselessly at their cake
> eaters. None of us know which! Oddly, the involved parties say less than the
> "hearsay" parties. Now, I don't have any dislike (or like for that matter) of
> anyone involved, but I hate to see sideline piranhas strike at blood in the
> water.
> I bought a plane from JN Trading 4 years ago. It was my first airplane,
and
> I did not have my private ticket yet. I did my research, looked at the competition,
> and made my decision. I basically bolted the plane together and started
> flying. 300 highly enjoyable and thoroughly uneventful hours later I pulled
> my 285 and put on an M-14 and repainted the plane. Barry Hancock's Flying
> Tiger Homage came from the same group and as he stated, Bill Blackwell said my
> plane looked to be one of the best he had yet seen come into the country, we
> had not seen the beautiful new airframes that Doug has brought in at that point!
> Anyway, there were things that needed work and tinkering. I expected that.
> I was a non-airplane guy that asked a few questions and determined through
> broken Chinese translations and difficult communication that JN Trading really
> didn't know anything about planes and that the "overhaul" was most certainly
> more of a bare bones IRAN inspection and I would have to go through the plane
> myself to be sure of its condition and airworthiness. I am so very happy with
> the purchase I made that I have arranged for 4 of my friends to get their planes
> from JN as well. One guy backed out before the planes shipped and JN quickly
> refunded their money, no questions asked. EVERY encounter I have had with
> JN has been "as stated" and fair.
> "Only fools rush in" is a wise idea. Deals too good to be true are. I
learned
> that in kindergarten. I meet a fair amount of dreamers in aviation and
> that is one of the reasons I like it so much, but with dreamers come realistic
> and some not so realistic dreams. The biggest is that "I can make a lot of money
> with these airplanes" and the other is, "It's a great deal and all I have
> to do is bolt the wings on and I'll be flying..." GET A CLUE... The only thing
> more ludicrous is the lost city of El Dorado. 1st realistic rule of business
> is, "If you get screwed, it's almost always your own fault. No one will protect
> you like you."
> So, back to my rule: NO CHAT ROOMS. If I've irked you, save your typing
effort
> and talk to me face to face at any one of the numerous gatherings I go to
> each year. If you are compelled to speak to me immediately call me at 480-227-2399.
> Go ahead and shred me on the "List" because I don't care, but don't
> be surprised when you see me walk up...
>
> Happy to sign off permanently,
> Greg Medford
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| Subject: | Re: Hi I'm a low time PP & I'm here to tell you how to |
buy an airplane.
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Rosie Thepig wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Rosie Thepig <rosiethepig@hdvestmail.com>
>
> Here comes another low time smoking hole. No sense trying to talk any sense
> to him or his clueless friends. They already know it all. I'm afraid he might
> very well be signing off permanently. Amazing.
I like your fake email name. It seems to fit your personallity. You don't know
Greg but you have managed to pass judgement anyway.
I have met and flown with Greg. He is a good guy, consciencious, and works very
hard at learning to fly his airplane safely. He has been working with Don
Andrews and the guys in Phoenix to ensure he knows what he is doing. No, I
don't worry about Greg because he does not let his ego get in the way of his
learning.
The other day I posted a list of educational levels. They were:
1. unconsiously incompetent -- doesn't know what he doesn't know;
2. consciously incompetent -- knows that he doesn't know;
3. consciously competent -- has learned but must make a conscious effort to do
the right thing;
4. unconsciously competent -- has practiced so much that the skills and safe
behaviors have become reflexive.
What we are trying to do here is to get people from stage one through stage
four. The list helps people learn what they don't know but then there is the
ego thing that keeps people from making the jump past stage two. Some people
would rather remain incompetent even tho' they know they are incompetent because
their egos won't let them admit they need to learn something new. These are the
people I worry about. These are the guys with the crummy airplanes with poor
maintenance and no skills.
Guys like Greg know they don't know, find competent assistance, learn the skills
from those who know, and then practice until they become second nature.
No, I have no worries about Greg. He may not have gone to Mike McCoy or me, and
he may choose not to be on this list, but he has found competent training in
Phoenix and he is doing well.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: Hi I'm a low time PP & I'm here to tell you how to buy an |
airpl...
--> Yak-List message posted by: EyeBLS@aol.com
In a message dated 4/4/03 7:00:12 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
rosiethepig@hdvestmail.com writes:
> Here comes another low time smoking hole. No sense trying to talk any sense
> to him or his clueless friends. They already know it all. I'm afraid he
> might very well be signing off permanently. Amazing.
> Lisa
>
>
Perhaps you might have a different opinion if you knew that Greg has flown
almost 1000 hours in the past three years. He now has a commercial license
with an instrument rating. He is also a CFI and CFII. He qualified for a
FAST lead card last month. He is near to getting his A&P license.
Definitely not a 'low time PP'
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Rosie Thepig <rosiethepig@hdvestmail.com>
I apologize for my callous remarks about the individual. I certainly wish him
no harm. I still feel he was extremely shortsighted to purchase an airplane from
someone so questionable. This seller feeds on the unknowlegable. He was
fortuanate to get a good steed. I fear his friends will not fare so well. BTW
Mr. Loyd it is my real name.
Lisa Thepig
Great Falls, MT
406-454-4152
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| Subject: | Oshkosh/Manitowoc |
--> Yak-List message posted by: JAmund1009@aol.com
Fellow Yakers - What are the inclusive dates when most of you will be
arriving/departing Manitowoc?
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| Subject: | Meigs: It ain't over till thefat lady sings |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
If you are not a member of the AOPA (I can't believe that I ignored this organization
for the first 35 years of my flying career), please consider STRONGLY supporting
them by joining. This organization is WELL ORGANIZED and is carrying
our mail like no other. The Meigs response is the latest example.
Whether a pilot, wannabe, enthusiast, retired, lurker, whatever. Here's a place
to join the fight.
See today's AOPA Website:
Apr. 3 Just three short days after Mayor Daley's sneak attack on Meigs Field airport,
AOPA has developed a comprehensive plan to restore the airport. The 12-point
plan combines legal, legislative, and public-relations tactics. The plan
is designed not only to return aircraft to Meigs, but to also shield airports
everywhere from Daley-like attacks.
"The plan includes both short- and longer term initiatives, so it won't be quick
and it won't be easy," said AOPA President Phil Boyer, "but the nation's general
aviation pilots want to ensure that Meigs will never happen again."
Immediate actions
AOPA is filing an injunction to prevent further destruction of the airport.
The association is filing a formal complaint with FAA regarding Daley's violation
of federal regulations, specifically FAR Part 157 that requires at least
a 30-day notice before closing an airport. Further, AOPA is demanding that FAA
deny federal funding for Chicago's O'Hare and Midway airports until Meigs is
reopened.
AOPA is filing a formal complaint with the Illinois Department of Transportation
on Daley's violation of state regulations requiring approval for the "alteration
of an existing airport."
AOPA's 400,000 members (many of whom own or manage businesses or are influential
in major organizations) are asked to boycott Chicago and to urge their trade,
professional, and business associations to not hold meetings and conventions
in the city. If traveling by airline, members should avoid flights landing
in Chicago.
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | AV-BLEND or ALCOR TCP |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
Any experience of using either of these additives in an M14P ?
Gus
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| Subject: | Rebuilding YAK-52 uplocks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Yaksters
If you've ever rebuilt the uplocks on your YAK-52, this might prove
interesting. If anyone has any constructive criticism please respond.
Here's the link................
http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver/uplock/uplocks.html
Frank
N911OM
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| Subject: | Re: [Acro] More good news re: Meigs |
--> Yak-List message posted by: William Halverson <william@netpros.net>
hey!! maybe we should get the list to try to find pilots with general
contractor licenses to rebuild the runway using volunteers! I'd fly to
Chicagop to help, and I live in California!!!
Bill Halverson
YAK-55
N355YK
Planedancer@aol.com wrote:
>Judge to city: Preserve Meigs, for now
>--------------------
>
>By John McCormick
>Tribune staff reporter
>
>April 4, 2003, 3:31 PM CST
>
>A Cook County judge this afternoon issued a temporary restraining order
>barring the city from doing any more demolition work at Meigs Field.
>
>Judge William Maki ordered the city to preserve the taxiway, terminal
>building and other components that make up the lakefront airport, and set a
>May 16 hearing date on a preliminary injunction, sought by the Friends of
>Meigs, against further demolition at the 55-year-old airfield.
>
>Michael Forti, deputy corporation counsel for Chicago, said the city likely
>would be back in court in the near future to file a motion to dismiss the
>pilots' suit.
>
>Separately, a national organization of pilots called for an economic boycott
>of Chicago and a freeze on federal funding for O'Hare International and
>Midway Airports until Meigs reopens.
>
>Caught by surprise by Mayor Richard Daley's overnight move Sunday and early
>Monday to have heavy construction equipment carve Xs into Meigs' runway, the
>pilots' group filed a lawsuit this morning, accusing the city of acting
>illegally. The plaintiffs' goal is to force the city into reopening the
>airport.
>
>Rachel Goodstein, president of Friends of Meigs, said the city's actions were
>"not only outrageous and shocking to all Chicagoans, they were also illegal."
>
>Speaking at a Daley Center news conference this morning, Steve Whitney, a
>past president of Friends of Meigs, said the loss of the airport hurts more
>than just small-plane owners.
>
>"It's a huge economic asset to the city," he said. "It relieves congestion at
>the other airports. It's a public safety asset in terms of medivac flights
>and air traffic control."
>
>Other plaintiffs include individual taxpayers, medical transport
>professionals, air traffic controllers and volunteers in the Young Eagles
>aviation education program for children, pilots said.
>
>Daley has defended Meigs' closing as necessary to protect the public against
>possible terrorist attacks by small airplanes. The suit, however, contends
>the closing itself threatens public safety by hampering air traffic, critical
>care for medical patients and disaster planning for bio-terrorist attacks.
>
>As an example of Meigs' safety role, the pilots played an audiotape of radio
>transmissions Wednesday between Meigs' tower controller and two aircraft that
>the pilots said averted a mid-air collision in the downtown area. The tower
>is to be closed with the airport.
>
>The pilots also cited a December 2001 deal between Daley and then-Gov. George
>Ryan. In exchange for Ryan's support for federal legislation authorizing the
>expansion of O'Hare International Airport, Daley agreed to keep Meigs open
>until at least 2006, and for up to 24 years unless the Illinois General
>Assembly decreed otherwise.
>
>The legislation never passed, and Daley has indicated he no longer feels
>bound by the deal.
>
>Separately, the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association is calling on its
>400,000 members to boycott Chicago for business meetings and conventions.
>
>The organization said it is filing a formal complaint with the FAA, accusing
>the city of violating federal regulations requiring at least a 30-day notice
>before closing an airport, and demanding that federal funds be frozen for
>O'Hare and Midway until Meigs reopens.
>
>The organization also said it is filing a complaint with the Illinois
>Department of Transportation, accusing the city of violating state
>regulations requiring approval for alternations to an existing airport.
>
>Karen Levine, a lawyer representing Friends of Meigs, said the suit accuses
>the city of violating state law by making alterations to an airport runway
>without getting IDOT's approval. "As a result, they've taken away a public
>use, and they've also acted without authority," Levine said.
>
>Earlier this week, though, an IDOT spokesman said the law only dealt with
>changes to runways that would affect safety at an operating airport and was
>not intended to force unwilling airport operators to continue operating.
>Copyright (c) 2003, The Associated Press
>
>
>Melanie
>Rhome (Ft. Worth) TX
>
>
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