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1. 04:11 AM - Re: Re: [Acro] More good news Re: Meigs (Gus Fraser)
2. 04:16 AM - Re: Rebuilding YAK-52 uplocks (Brian Lloyd)
3. 04:19 AM - NYC airspace proposal (Gus Fraser)
4. 06:07 AM - Re: AV-BLEND or ALCOR TCP (D Zeman)
5. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: AV-BLEND or ALCOR TCP (Brian Lloyd)
6. 02:11 PM - Re: Map rooms update (Barry Hancock)
7. 02:42 PM - Re: Re: Map rooms update (Gus Fraser)
8. 02:53 PM - Dead horse (Barry Hancock)
9. 07:23 PM - Pre-game speech (Barry Hancock)
10. 07:33 PM - Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) (Dave Strawn)
11. 09:09 PM - elevator ballance (jay reiter)
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| Subject: | Re: [Acro] More good news re: Meigs |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
Folks,
Can you all visit the EAA or AOPA web site and send comments to Congressman
Rotham about his plans. It seems here that Daley has given him the balls to
speak out against GA in NYC. This idiot has had it in for Teterboro for
years and he is attempting to close TEB but he would also affect other
airports with his sledge hammer. Send it to other groups you are a member of
if possible
See below :-
NYC no-fly zone proposal: AOPA says "enough is enough!"
Apr. 3 "Enough is enough!" That's AOPA's response to New Jersey
Congressman Steven Rothman's (D-N.J.) proposal to ban general aviation
flight within 15 nm of New York City. Rothman has sent a letter to Congress
asking for support; AOPA President Phil Boyer responded immediately with a
letter to Congress, defending general aviation.
"Enough is enough!" Boyer's letter begins. "What further burden must general
aviation bear when it has never been used as a weapon of terror? Is this
another opportunity for 'security' to camouflage a congressman's long-term
desire to limit operations at airports in his district?" (Rothman has a long
history of opposition to the high volume of predominantly large corporate
aircraft at Teterboro Airport (TEB), which would fall in the proposed no-fly
zone.)
"Congress has tasked the Transportation Security Administration with the
duty of overseeing our security in the skies and at our airports," Boyer
told Congress. "Let them do their job!"
Thanks for your help
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of William
Halverson
Subject: Yak-List: Re: [Acro] More good news re: Meigs
--> Yak-List message posted by: William Halverson <william@netpros.net>
hey!! maybe we should get the list to try to find pilots with general
contractor licenses to rebuild the runway using volunteers! I'd fly to
Chicagop to help, and I live in California!!!
Bill Halverson
YAK-55
N355YK
Planedancer@aol.com wrote:
>Judge to city: Preserve Meigs, for now
>--------------------
>
>By John McCormick
>Tribune staff reporter
>
>April 4, 2003, 3:31 PM CST
>
>A Cook County judge this afternoon issued a temporary restraining order
>barring the city from doing any more demolition work at Meigs Field.
>
>Judge William Maki ordered the city to preserve the taxiway, terminal
>building and other components that make up the lakefront airport, and set a
>May 16 hearing date on a preliminary injunction, sought by the Friends of
>Meigs, against further demolition at the 55-year-old airfield.
>
>Michael Forti, deputy corporation counsel for Chicago, said the city likely
>would be back in court in the near future to file a motion to dismiss the
>pilots' suit.
>
>Separately, a national organization of pilots called for an economic
boycott
>of Chicago and a freeze on federal funding for O'Hare International and
>Midway Airports until Meigs reopens.
>
>Caught by surprise by Mayor Richard Daley's overnight move Sunday and early
>Monday to have heavy construction equipment carve Xs into Meigs' runway,
the
>pilots' group filed a lawsuit this morning, accusing the city of acting
>illegally. The plaintiffs' goal is to force the city into reopening the
>airport.
>
>Rachel Goodstein, president of Friends of Meigs, said the city's actions
were
>"not only outrageous and shocking to all Chicagoans, they were also
illegal."
>
>Speaking at a Daley Center news conference this morning, Steve Whitney, a
>past president of Friends of Meigs, said the loss of the airport hurts more
>than just small-plane owners.
>
>"It's a huge economic asset to the city," he said. "It relieves congestion
at
>the other airports. It's a public safety asset in terms of medivac flights
>and air traffic control."
>
>Other plaintiffs include individual taxpayers, medical transport
>professionals, air traffic controllers and volunteers in the Young Eagles
>aviation education program for children, pilots said.
>
>Daley has defended Meigs' closing as necessary to protect the public
against
>possible terrorist attacks by small airplanes. The suit, however, contends
>the closing itself threatens public safety by hampering air traffic,
critical
>care for medical patients and disaster planning for bio-terrorist attacks.
>
>As an example of Meigs' safety role, the pilots played an audiotape of
radio
>transmissions Wednesday between Meigs' tower controller and two aircraft
that
>the pilots said averted a mid-air collision in the downtown area. The tower
>is to be closed with the airport.
>
>The pilots also cited a December 2001 deal between Daley and then-Gov.
George
>Ryan. In exchange for Ryan's support for federal legislation authorizing
the
>expansion of O'Hare International Airport, Daley agreed to keep Meigs open
>until at least 2006, and for up to 24 years unless the Illinois General
>Assembly decreed otherwise.
>
>The legislation never passed, and Daley has indicated he no longer feels
>bound by the deal.
>
>Separately, the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association is calling on its
>400,000 members to boycott Chicago for business meetings and conventions.
>
>The organization said it is filing a formal complaint with the FAA,
accusing
>the city of violating federal regulations requiring at least a 30-day
notice
>before closing an airport, and demanding that federal funds be frozen for
>O'Hare and Midway until Meigs reopens.
>
>The organization also said it is filing a complaint with the Illinois
>Department of Transportation, accusing the city of violating state
>regulations requiring approval for alternations to an existing airport.
>
>Karen Levine, a lawyer representing Friends of Meigs, said the suit accuses
>the city of violating state law by making alterations to an airport runway
>without getting IDOT's approval. "As a result, they've taken away a public
>use, and they've also acted without authority," Levine said.
>
>Earlier this week, though, an IDOT spokesman said the law only dealt with
>changes to runways that would affect safety at an operating airport and was
>not intended to force unwilling airport operators to continue operating.
>Copyright (c) 2003, The Associated Press
>
>
>Melanie
>Rhome (Ft. Worth) TX
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding YAK-52 uplocks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Yaksters
> If you've ever rebuilt the uplocks on your YAK-52, this might prove
> interesting. If anyone has any constructive criticism please respond.
> Here's the link................
> http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver/uplock/uplocks.html
Good idea Frank. The pictures and discussion were clear and useful. I can't
comment on the specifics of the Yak-52 gear but the idea of constructing an
on-line maintenance manual is a good one.
It would be good if you had pictures of the disassembly and reassembly process
for the uplock mechanisms so that someone could follow along as they do the same
for their airplanes.
I would like to see this done for the CJ6A as well. It will help people perform
maintenance properly on their airplanes.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | NYC airspace proposal |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
Changed the subject
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gus Fraser
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: [Acro] More good news re: Meigs
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
Folks,
Can you all visit the EAA or AOPA web site and send comments to Congressman
Rotham about his plans. It seems here that Daley has given him the balls to
speak out against GA in NYC. This idiot has had it in for Teterboro for
years and he is attempting to close TEB but he would also affect other
airports with his sledge hammer. Send it to other groups you are a member of
if possible
See below :-
NYC no-fly zone proposal: AOPA says "enough is enough!"
Apr. 3 "Enough is enough!" That's AOPA's response to New Jersey
Congressman Steven Rothman's (D-N.J.) proposal to ban general aviation
flight within 15 nm of New York City. Rothman has sent a letter to Congress
asking for support; AOPA President Phil Boyer responded immediately with a
letter to Congress, defending general aviation.
"Enough is enough!" Boyer's letter begins. "What further burden must general
aviation bear when it has never been used as a weapon of terror? Is this
another opportunity for 'security' to camouflage a congressman's long-term
desire to limit operations at airports in his district?" (Rothman has a long
history of opposition to the high volume of predominantly large corporate
aircraft at Teterboro Airport (TEB), which would fall in the proposed no-fly
zone.)
"Congress has tasked the Transportation Security Administration with the
duty of overseeing our security in the skies and at our airports," Boyer
told Congress. "Let them do their job!"
Thanks for your help
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of William
Halverson
Subject: Yak-List: Re: [Acro] More good news re: Meigs
--> Yak-List message posted by: William Halverson <william@netpros.net>
hey!! maybe we should get the list to try to find pilots with general
contractor licenses to rebuild the runway using volunteers! I'd fly to
Chicagop to help, and I live in California!!!
Bill Halverson
YAK-55
N355YK
Planedancer@aol.com wrote:
>Judge to city: Preserve Meigs, for now
>--------------------
>
>By John McCormick
>Tribune staff reporter
>
>April 4, 2003, 3:31 PM CST
>
>A Cook County judge this afternoon issued a temporary restraining order
>barring the city from doing any more demolition work at Meigs Field.
>
>Judge William Maki ordered the city to preserve the taxiway, terminal
>building and other components that make up the lakefront airport, and set a
>May 16 hearing date on a preliminary injunction, sought by the Friends of
>Meigs, against further demolition at the 55-year-old airfield.
>
>Michael Forti, deputy corporation counsel for Chicago, said the city likely
>would be back in court in the near future to file a motion to dismiss the
>pilots' suit.
>
>Separately, a national organization of pilots called for an economic
boycott
>of Chicago and a freeze on federal funding for O'Hare International and
>Midway Airports until Meigs reopens.
>
>Caught by surprise by Mayor Richard Daley's overnight move Sunday and early
>Monday to have heavy construction equipment carve Xs into Meigs' runway,
the
>pilots' group filed a lawsuit this morning, accusing the city of acting
>illegally. The plaintiffs' goal is to force the city into reopening the
>airport.
>
>Rachel Goodstein, president of Friends of Meigs, said the city's actions
were
>"not only outrageous and shocking to all Chicagoans, they were also
illegal."
>
>Speaking at a Daley Center news conference this morning, Steve Whitney, a
>past president of Friends of Meigs, said the loss of the airport hurts more
>than just small-plane owners.
>
>"It's a huge economic asset to the city," he said. "It relieves congestion
at
>the other airports. It's a public safety asset in terms of medivac flights
>and air traffic control."
>
>Other plaintiffs include individual taxpayers, medical transport
>professionals, air traffic controllers and volunteers in the Young Eagles
>aviation education program for children, pilots said.
>
>Daley has defended Meigs' closing as necessary to protect the public
against
>possible terrorist attacks by small airplanes. The suit, however, contends
>the closing itself threatens public safety by hampering air traffic,
critical
>care for medical patients and disaster planning for bio-terrorist attacks.
>
>As an example of Meigs' safety role, the pilots played an audiotape of
radio
>transmissions Wednesday between Meigs' tower controller and two aircraft
that
>the pilots said averted a mid-air collision in the downtown area. The tower
>is to be closed with the airport.
>
>The pilots also cited a December 2001 deal between Daley and then-Gov.
George
>Ryan. In exchange for Ryan's support for federal legislation authorizing
the
>expansion of O'Hare International Airport, Daley agreed to keep Meigs open
>until at least 2006, and for up to 24 years unless the Illinois General
>Assembly decreed otherwise.
>
>The legislation never passed, and Daley has indicated he no longer feels
>bound by the deal.
>
>Separately, the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association is calling on its
>400,000 members to boycott Chicago for business meetings and conventions.
>
>The organization said it is filing a formal complaint with the FAA,
accusing
>the city of violating federal regulations requiring at least a 30-day
notice
>before closing an airport, and demanding that federal funds be frozen for
>O'Hare and Midway until Meigs reopens.
>
>The organization also said it is filing a complaint with the Illinois
>Department of Transportation, accusing the city of violating state
>regulations requiring approval for alternations to an existing airport.
>
>Karen Levine, a lawyer representing Friends of Meigs, said the suit accuses
>the city of violating state law by making alterations to an airport runway
>without getting IDOT's approval. "As a result, they've taken away a public
>use, and they've also acted without authority," Levine said.
>
>Earlier this week, though, an IDOT spokesman said the law only dealt with
>changes to runways that would affect safety at an operating airport and was
>not intended to force unwilling airport operators to continue operating.
>Copyright (c) 2003, The Associated Press
>
>
>Melanie
>Rhome (Ft. Worth) TX
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AV-BLEND or ALCOR TCP |
--> Yak-List message posted by: D Zeman <curious_wings@yahoo.com>
Hello Gus,
I have been wanting to try TCP in the M-14P for some
time. In the winter, I have troubles from time to
time with 100/130LL fouling plugs (no mixture control
+ longer warm-ups and low power). I think TCP might
cure this issue. Unfortunately, Alcor cannot supply
TCP at this time (I checked a month ago); seems they
switched suppliers on one of the ingredients and had
to go through recertification. They have been saying
"any time" for quite a while. I have check most major
distributors and they have been out quite a while.
Regards,
D. Zeman
http://tax.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: AV-BLEND or ALCOR TCP |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
D Zeman wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: D Zeman <curious_wings@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello Gus,
>
> I have been wanting to try TCP in the M-14P for some
> time. In the winter, I have troubles from time to
> time with 100/130LL
Do you get 100/130 (green gas) or do you have 100LL (blue gas)? I don't know
anyplace in the US still selling 100/130. It has astronomical levels of TEL in
it. I can imagine lead fouling problems with 100/130.
> fouling plugs (no mixture control
> + longer warm-ups and low power). I think TCP might
> cure this issue.
It probably won't. TCP is a lead-scavenging agent that needs the EGT to be up
to work. The problem you are talking about, plug fouling at low power and low
RPM with a rich mixture, is carbon (soot) fouling. TCP will not help with this.
> Unfortunately, Alcor cannot supply
> TCP at this time (I checked a month ago); seems they
> switched suppliers on one of the ingredients and had
> to go through recertification. They have been saying
> "any time" for quite a while. I have check most major
> distributors and they have been out quite a while.
If you have a problem with lead fouling of the plugs, i.e. little round hard
black beads on the insulator and electrodes, then TCP will help. Some
low-compression engines running on 100LL fuel have a lot of trouble with this.
The O-235 in my Piper Clipper had this problem. It ran great on mogas and on
80/87 but would lead foul with 100LL. TCP solved that problem when going on
long trips where mogas or 80/87 wasn't available. You have to remember that you
need to get the EGT up in order for the TCP to do its job. It won't do anything
at low temperatures.
My experience with the Huosai engine in the CJ6A is that it does *NOT* have a
lead fouling problem. It seems to run on 100LL without any lead fouling
problems at all. It will carbon foul from a rich idle mixture but keeping the
mixture control on the lean side will keep that from happening. Still, plugs
and valves stay cleaner with mogas than with avgas. I got over 500 hours on a
set of plugs running mostly mogas.
For your M14 I would keep the power up a bit to increase the EGT and keep it
from carbon fouling just before run-up and take-off.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: Map rooms update |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Gus,
I'd give up too! :) I've just checked my data base and you're not
there. For now, just directly email me your:
home state:
airport:
aircraft type:
And I'll check my server to see if your info is stuck somewhere.
Cheers,
Barry
On Friday, April 4, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> Barry, I give up. I have registered three times already, nope not there.
>
> Gus
Barry Hancock
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | Re: Map rooms update |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
Barry,
Send me your email so I can contact you off list.
Thanks
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Map rooms update
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Gus,
I'd give up too! :) I've just checked my data base and you're not
there. For now, just directly email me your:
home state:
airport:
aircraft type:
And I'll check my server to see if your info is stuck somewhere.
Cheers,
Barry
On Friday, April 4, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> Barry, I give up. I have registered three times already, nope not there.
>
> Gus
Barry Hancock
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
I still feel he was extremely shortsighted to purchase an airplane from
someone so questionable. This seller feeds on the unknowlegable. He was
fortuanate to get a good steed. I fear his friends will not fare so
well. BTW
Mr. Loyd it is my real name.
Look, we've beaten this one to death, but I'll just put one more hole in
the carcas. :)
Two words: Buyer beware
Two more words: PRE-PURCHASE INSPECTION
"The controls weren't covered" doesn't count....you're not going to fly
with that cloth anyways, right?
There is only one person responsible for laying down cash for an
airplane....the aviation business is notorious for unscrupulous (no
insinuation towards Mr. Zheng) characters and if you are going to
blindly throw money at something that's not the sellers fault.
Mrs. Thepig, have you had personal dealing with Mr. Zheng? I have. I
know Greg Medford. I know the guys that are buying the new
airplanes...they're not ignorant either, and hardly "unknowlegeable."
What is "so questionable"? Is this from your personal dealings with
him, or the complaints you hear on the yak-list? Please tell me you
have not formed your judgment based on what you have heard on this
list. That's like forming your opinion on the war by only watching ABC
News.
I've just received pictures from Bill Scully of an airplane that is
being imported by Andrew....it is light years better than the earlier
ones - of which at least some were very nice airplanes to begin with.
Ultimately, however, if you (or someone knowledgeable you hire) are not
going to go through every system, nut, bolt, skin, stinger, spar,
bulkhead, fitting, hose, line, cable, cotter pin, bonding strap, switch,
wire, etc....you are leaving your fate to chance. According to your
logic no one would ever restore old fighters...because they are
questionable. That's why it is incumbent upon the buyer to remove those
questions.....before they put the money down. Or, if you do, don't
complain about what you get.
I have nothing to gain here. I am, however, sick and tired of people
taking pot shots from the peanut gallery. I feel badly for those that
feel they've been victimized by a seller, but they know just as well as
anyone that they are ultimately responsible for their situation. Buying
a used military aircraft is not like going to your local Honda dealer
and buying a new car.
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Lt. Col. Tim Collins, 1st Battalion of the Royal Irish after addressing
his
troops <http://www.liebreich.com/LDC/Images/Opinion/TimCollins.jpg>
22 March 2003
With one phrase, Lt. Col. Tim Collins, commander of the 1st Battalion of
the
Royal Irish, summed up the task in hand for the British forces waiting to
remove Saddam Hussein from Iraq.
Collins was addressing his 800 men, an arm of Britain's 16 Air Assault
Brigade, at Fort Blair Mayne, a Kuwaiti desert camp 20 miles south of the
Iraqi border. Here is as much of his extraordinary speech as has been
reported.
"We go to liberate not to conquer. We will not fly our flags in their
country. We are entering Iraq to free a people and the only flag which
will
be flown in that ancient land is their own. Show respect for them.
"There are some who are alive at this moment who will not be alive
shortly.
Those who do not wish to go on that journey, we will not send. As for the
others I expect you to rock their world. Wipe them out if that is what
they
choose. But if you are ferocious in battle remember to be magnanimous in
victory.
"Iraq is steeped in history. It is the site of the Garden of Eden, of the
Great Flood and the birthplace of Abraham. Tread lightly there. You will
see
things that no man could pay to see and you will have to go a long way to
find a more decent, generous and upright people than the Iraqis. You
will be
embarrassed by their hospitality even though they have nothing. Don't
treat
them as refugees for they are in their own country. Their children will
be
poor, in years to come they will know that the light of liberation in
their
lives was brought by you.
"If there are casualties of war then remember that when they woke up and
got
dressed in the morning they did not plan to die this day. Allow them
dignity
in death. Bury them properly and mark their graves.
"It is my foremost intention to bring every single one of you out alive
but
there may be people among us who will not see the end of this campaign.
We
will put them in their sleeping bags and send them back. There will be no
time for sorrow.
"The enemy should be in no doubt that we are his nemesis and that we are
bringing about his rightful destruction. There are many regional
commanders
who have stains on their souls and they are stoking the fires of hell for
Saddam. He and his forces will be destroyed by this coalition for what
they
have done. As they die they will know their deeds have brought them to
this
place. Show them no pity.
"It is a big step to take another human life. It is not to be done
lightly.
I know of men who have taken life needlessly in other conflicts, I can
assure you they live with the mark of Cain upon them. If someone
surrenders
to you then remember they have that right in international law and ensure
that one day they go home to their family.
"The ones who wish to fight, well, we aim to please.
"If you harm the regiment or its history by over-enthusiasm in killing
or in
cowardice, know it is your family who will suffer. You will be shunned
unless your conduct is of the highest for your deeds will follow you down
through history. We will bring shame on neither our uniform or our
nation.
"[Regarding the use by Saddam of chemical or biological weapons] It is
not a
question of if, it's a question of when. We know he has already devolved
the
decision to lower commanders, and that means he has already taken the
decision himself. If we survive the first strike we will survive the
attack.
"As for ourselves, let's bring everyone home and leave Iraq a better
place
for us having been there.
"Our business now is north."
Barry Hancock
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | Re: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come clean?) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dave Strawn" <dastrawn@mindspring.com>
Andrew,
Please do not fabricate false emails from me. As Doug has pointed out, I
paid him $9,000 for a 1st time overhauled engine. This is personal business
between Doug and me and I don't understand why you would bring this up on
the list.
Dave Strawn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Zheng (China)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
clean?)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)"
<cjcyak@163bj.com>
>
> From: Dave Strawn
> To: JN (Andrew)
> Subject: David Strawn's CJ
> Andrew, I just wrote a check to Doug Sapp for $12,500 for a Huosai
engine.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Doug
> To: Andrew Zheng (Canada)
> Subject: Re: Re
>
>
> Andrew,
> A green tag on the engine was translated by a good friend as below:
>
> The tag says,
>
>
> On front: PLA Factory 5701
>
>
> Certificate of Approval
>
>
> On back :
>
> Order No ; H6-10369
>
> Item : engine
>
> No : 993401
>
> Quantity : 1
>
> Name : *&
> %$ date : 2001-11-16
>
> Inspector : 26j4 date : *&
> %
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Andrew Zheng (Canada)
> To: Doug
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Re
>
>
> Hi Doug,
> I gave the engine number to my friend to find out how is the engine. But
they want to know more details like which Air base the engine was there,
because there 7-8 training schools have CJs engine and there are some of the
engines stock in different storage. They have to phone all of them. That is
to much work.
> Best
> Andrew
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Doug
> To: Andrew Zheng (Canada)
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:38 AM
> Subject: Re: Re
>
>
> Andrew,
> Can you ask your friends to try to find history of engine
#201-H6A943404? This would be a big help for me.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Can you get me factory NEW engine? if yes what is my cost.
>
> Best,
> Douglas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew Zheng (Canada)
> To: Doug
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Re
>
>
> Doug,
> I just check my parts list and don't find the parts that you need
for.
> Called a my Chinese air force friend last night. With the engine
number, It very hard to find how is the engine. Where the engine come from,
training schools? some flying club? engine factory? engine overhauled
factory? If they check engine factory and the engine overhauled factory,
they may only can know when the engine was made or when it was overhauled.
It still hard to see how is the condition now. Because it is hard to see
where was the engine. Do you have the log book or a copy?
> Best
> Andrew
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Doug
> To: Andrew Zheng (Canada)
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 8:25 AM
> Subject: Re
>
>
> Andrew,
> Do you have a left and right upper engine mount support? Part
number is H2-6401-00Y and H2-6401-00Z (left and right) Must be new. I need
then quickly.
>
> Best,
> Doug
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew Zheng (Canada)
> To: Doug
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Overhauled engine
>
>
> Doug,
> It look like overhauled engine not a new one and put in a
incorrect place for long time. Dose the engine come with log book and a
certificate tell you when it made from factory and some thing else. The tap
said it is a 6A. I think that you may buy engines from me because I have
some air force friends and my Chinese CJ mechanics who at least worked on CJ
for 25 years. They know all things about CJ.
> Best
> Andrew
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Doug
> To: (Andrew)
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:08 PM
> Subject: Overhauled engine
>
>
> Andrew,
> I need a little help. My parts supplier in China recently
sold me a factory NEW 285 hp engine. But when the engine arrived it was not
new, it was a overhauled "6" type not new "6A" type. Someone had also
removed one cylinder, then replaced it but had not bent down the cly base
nut locks. The number of this engine is 201-H6A943404
>
> I have attached a photo of the data tag for your information.
Do you think this is a Factory new engine?? All the paint is worn off the
engine tag. Tag is old, how can engine be NEW??
>
> Perhaps you know of this engine?? Please let me know soon.
>
> With best regards,
> Douglas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to come
clean?)
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> >
> > No Andrew, The engine was sold for $9,000.00. You have copied my price
> > list, you should know my prices.
> >
> > Also you did not explain your comment when you wrote-- "You need clean
up
> > this now." If you are referring to my standing behind this engine, have
no
> > fear. As my pappy used to say "my word is my bond". Even though my
Chinese
> > vendors do not stand behind their engines, I will stand behind this one
even
> > if it means loosing money. That's how the system works.
> >
> > Andrew, if you want to continue this please contact me off list at
> > rvfltd@televar.com
> >
> > Best,
> > Doug Sapp
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andrew Zheng (China)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to
come
> > clean?)
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)"
> > <cjcyak@163bj.com>
> > >
> > > I remember you sold this engine for $12,000. is it right?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Andrew Zheng (China)" <cjcyak@163bj.com>
> > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to
come
> > clean?)
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng \(China\)"
> > <cjcyak@163bj.com>
> > > >
> > > > Doug,
> > > > Is the engine without any information(no log book, no records...even
> > don't know where the engine come from)that you wanted to me to find out
some
> > information from China for you. How do you know it is first time
overhauled
> > engine now? You need clean up this now.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> > > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants
to
> > come clean?)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > One short note about this aircraft:
> > > > > It continues to plague the owner with problems. I sold the owner
a
> > 1st time
> > > > > over hauled engine, it was installed by Randy Thorne, who did an
> > excellent
> > > > > job. But this engine has, after an hour or so of run time
developed a
> > > > > problem of exceedingly high case pressures, which blow huge
quantities
> > of
> > > > > oil out of the rear case vent and all over the aircraft when RPM
is at
> > or
> > > > > near cruise settings. Unfortunately, this problem seems (at this
> > time)
> > > > > unfixable as no one in the US has the tools, knowledge or the
manuals
> > to
> > > > > overhaul these engines. This engine has what seems to be a
defective
> > blower
> > > > > gasket/seal and I am sure I will part it out in an effort to cut
my
> > losses.
> > > > > I am now arranging to send a replacement engine to Randy. I
sincerely
> > hope
> > > > > that this solves the problem and the owner can finally get back in
the
> > air.
> > > > > Maybe in time for Red Star.
> > > > >
> > > > > Always Yakin,
> > > > > Doug Sapp
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
> > > > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > > > Subject: Yak-List: Reviewing vendors (was: Honest Andrew wants to
come
> > > > > clean?)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are ways to do this without getting everybody's knickers
in a
> > knot.
> > > > > EBay,
> > > > > > Amazon, and others allow individuals to write reviews of
products.
> > No
> > > > > reason we
> > > > > > cannot do the same. To someone contemplating purchasing an
airplane
> > they
> > > > > can go
> > > > > > to the archives and read what people have said. The key is that
all
> > > > > reviews
> > > > > > must involve first-hand experience with the vendor, no "well, I
know
> > a guy
> > > > > who
> > > > > > knows a guy who says ..."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All I can say is that I have had direct dealings with Yakity
Yaks,
> > Doug
> > > > > Sapp,
> > > > > > and the Selbys. I have been pleased with the results in all
three
> > cases.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > have picked up an airplane from Andrew Zhang for a student and
the
> > student
> > > > > is
> > > > > > still having trouble with the airplane two years later. In
fact, in
> > two
> > > > > years
> > > > > > he has only been able to fly the airplane about 10 hours.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Statements like, "...always keep a large jar of Vasoline with
you,"
> > are
> > > > > > unproductive. Perhaps better would be something with facts and
> > substance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I flew down to Van Nuys to pick up an aircraft for a student.
It
> > was
> > > > > brought in
> > > > > > by Andrew Zhang and assembled by, I believe, Bill Scully. When
I
> > went to
> > > > > fly
> > > > > > the airplane away the battery was dead and the air had leaked
away.
> > The
> > > > > battery
> > > > > > installation was in my opinion marginally airworthy, consisting
of a
> > pair
> > > > > of
> > > > > > motorcycle batteries in series and the battery box had been
modified
> > in
> > > > > such a
> > > > > > way as to preclude any protection for the batteries and wiring.
> > Holes for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > wires were not properly dressed and chafing was a potential
problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The airplane had been signed off as having completed its phase-1
> > > > > requirements
> > > > > > but I detected serious pitot-static errors in the ASI in flight.
> > The
> > > > > > encoder/altimeter correspondence checks had been signed off in
the
> > log.
> > > > > Checks
> > > > > > with ATC indicated that the altimeter and the encoder agreed
within
> > about
> > > > > 150'
> > > > > > at all altitudes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When I reached Cameron Park I noticed an excessive amount of oil
on
> > the
> > > > > outside
> > > > > > aircraft. Further examination showed that more than one of the
> > cylinders
> > > > > had
> > > > > > excessively loose cylinder base nuts requiring all the cylinders
to
> > be
> > > > > removed,
> > > > > > the case inspected for fretting, and the cylinders reinstalled
with
> > proper
> > > > > base
> > > > > > gaskets and bolt torque. The pitot/static system was blown out
to
> > remove
> > > > > > entrapped water and the ASI and other P/S instruments then
worked
> > properly
> > > > > on
> > > > > > the subsequent test flight. Unfortunately the flap extension
system
> > > > > exhibited
> > > > > > problems which required the shuttle valves to be cleaned. It
> > appeared
> > > > > they had
> > > > > > never been serviced.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the next flight the prop blew a seal during taxi.
Fortunately my
> > > > > wingman
> > > > > > noticed the smoke (the airplane looked like it had a smoke-oil
> > system
> > > > > going) and
> > > > > > warned me before take-off. Upon shut-down the engine/prop began
to
> > dump
> > > > > large
> > > > > > quantities of oil on the ramp. This was repaired.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The paint began to chip off in places indicating that whoever
> > applied the
> > > > > paint
> > > > > > had not performed proper preparation before applying the paint.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The owner came out for dual instruction in the aircraft. We
> > performed the
> > > > > > instruction without problems.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The airplane began exhibiting an increase in oil consumption but
I
> > decided
> > > > > to
> > > > > > fly it to see if oil consumption would stabilize. I flew it to
Red
> > Star
> > > > > last
> > > > > > year. On take-off to return to Cameron Park the brake cable on
the
> > > > > forward
> > > > > > stick broke as I was taxiing into position on the runway for a
> > formation
> > > > > > take-off. I was able to exit the runway under aerodynamic
control
> > and
> > > > > roll to a
> > > > > > stop on the taxi way clear of the runway. The airplane was
towed
> > back to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > ramp and tied down.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I returned for the airplane a couple weeks later. The engine
> > exhibited a
> > > > > > hydraulic lock which was rectified by removing the lower spark
plugs
> > and
> > > > > intake
> > > > > > drain plugs and pulling the engine through multiple times.
There
> > was
> > > > > > substantial oil in the cylinders. The engine was pulled through
and
> > all
> > > > > the oil
> > > > > > drained from the cylinders. As it was very hot I went inside
for a
> > cup of
> > > > > water
> > > > > > before returning to depart with the airplane. Since only 10
minutes
> > had
> > > > > elapsed
> > > > > > since I had cleared the lock I did not pull the engine through
> > again.
> > > > > When I
> > > > > > started the engine it hydraulic locked when it fired. End of
> > engine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The airplane now has a new engine courtesy of Doug Sapp. I do
not
> > know
> > > > > where
> > > > > > the owner stands in his dealing with Andrew Zhang.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Those are facts. You may draw any conclusion you please from
them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza,
Suite
> > 201
> > > > > > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> > > > > > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | elevator ballance |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
I installed the Elevator and the balance has a positive bias in other words I would
have to drill the balance weight at the elevator tip or apply more paint.
Does anyone have any info on the tolerance for the balance? I think it would
be a good idea to weigh a control before removing the cover. But when you are
knee deep in alligators--- Jay
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