Yak-List Digest Archive

Mon 04/07/03


Total Messages Posted: 19



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:42 AM - Holy (*& (Ernie)
     2. 06:06 AM - Re: Elevator instalation (A. Dennis Savarese)
     3. 07:20 AM - Sun 'n Fun (Barry Hancock)
     4. 08:24 AM - Re: Elevator instalation (Cy Galley)
     5. 08:45 AM - Re: Maintenance Information (Genzlinger, Reade)
     6. 09:04 AM - Re: Hose and Firesleeve (Rick Basiliere)
     7. 09:55 AM - Re: Elevator instalation (Doug)
     8. 11:48 AM - Auto pilots in CJs (Yakjock)
     9. 12:06 PM - Autopilot in CJ (Jon Boede)
    10. 12:18 PM - Yakjock@msn.com (Walt Fricke)
    11. 12:19 PM - Re: Auto pilots in CJs (Brian Lloyd)
    12. 12:20 PM - TruTrak autopilots (Brian Lloyd)
    13. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: Re: AV-BLEND or ALCOR TCP (D Zeman)
    14. 12:43 PM - Sun&Fun Formation Clinic (Steve Dalton)
    15. 01:14 PM - Re: TruTrak autopilots (A. Dennis Savarese)
    16. 01:24 PM - Re: Hose and Firesleeve (A. Dennis Savarese)
    17. 01:37 PM - TruTrak autopilots and other auto pilot installations (Mark Schrick)
    18. 09:44 PM - WTF, over? (Barry Hancock)
    19. 10:16 PM - Re: WTF, over? (KingCJ6@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:42:05 AM PST US
    From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
    Subject: Holy (*&
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com> Geeze, I've been gone for 7 days at the S&F FAST clinic in Bartow and just checked my email this morning. I have just spent 20 min deleting useless crap from the list. I even saw a new guy get scared off the list and several unsubscribe messages. I think I saw about 5 posting about elevator balancing, but otherwise it was about who was (*)& who, and ramblings from both our liberal and conservative politicos. I can give a flying (*)&%$* about who screwed who in their biz dealings, This list has really degraded to a nauseating level. Can we keep it to talking about airplanes, safety, care and feeding there of. Anyway got back safely from the clinic, got to fly a butt load of formation, and had a great time. Ernie


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    Time: 06:06:41 AM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
    Subject: Re: Elevator instalation
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net> Thanks Lou. I think I'll just find and SKF distributor and go from there. Dennis Savarese ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Dakos" <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Elevator instalation > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lou Dakos" <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au> > > Dennis In Australia we went metric in 1966 so it is very easy to buy metric > or imperial bearings I just went to an SKF bearing outlet (I know the > manager well) and bought them across the counter, at the moment I cannot > rember the numbers but all the original bearing are standard sizes some I > got for around $7.00 au ($4.50 us?) the very small ones were dearer but I > dont think I paid more than $20.00 for a single bearing I can go and look at > my old invoices but all I needed was the od id and width, I could also get > them from other dealers but skf would have them on the shelf most of the > time, if you would like me look into it further for you I would be happy to > do so I could have some in my pocket when I get oskosh? > > Lou > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Elevator instalation > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net> > > > > Lou, > > With respect to the self-aligning bearings, if you were able to buy them > > from a local bearing distributor, would you be kind enough to tell us what > > distributor you purchased them from and what were the manufacturer and > model > > numbers of the cross referenced bearings? Thanks very much for sharing > this > > information with the group. > > Dennis Savarese > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lou Dakos" <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au> > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Elevator instalation > > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lou Dakos" > <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au> > > > > > > When I overhauled my elevator I replaced all bearings with good quality > > self > > > aligning bearings and the only problem I had was to hold them all > straight > > > when attaching elevators they went into bearings with no problems, It > > would > > > worry me if I had to force them in as this would leave residual stress > > also > > > my books show self aligning bearings in all positions I think this > allows > > > things to move under flight loads and not bend bearing brackets which > are > > > not all that large. > > > My elevator is very smooth to operate and has no slack or unwanted play. > > as > > > all my other controls new self aligning bearings in every one that had > one > > > in the book. > > > > > > Lou > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net> > > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > > Subject: Yak-List: Elevator instalation > > > > > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net> > > > > > > > > We had a problem installing the elevator because a sealed non > centering > > > bearing had previously been installed in the inboard position. The pivot > > pin > > > would go into the bearing half way and lock. One of the other fellows > > > noticed the bearing bracket was flexing with each push we inserted a > > > screwdriver in the elevator slot to back up the bracket with one person > > > holding the screwdriver at the top and one at the bottom. The three of > us > > > pushed at the same time and the elevator seated. Hope this helps > someone. > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:20:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Sun 'n Fun
    From: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net> On Sunday, April 6, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote: > I 'm tired of flying for a while and plan to > sleep with my wife tonight. So.....uhhh, never mind..... :)


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    Time: 08:24:13 AM PST US
    From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
    Subject: Re: Elevator instalation
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org> Most non-friction bearings (ball, roller,etc) are metric sized, even here in the colonies. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Dakos" <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Elevator instalation > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lou Dakos" <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au> > > Dennis In Australia we went metric in 1966 so it is very easy to buy metric > or imperial bearings I just went to an SKF bearing outlet (I know the > manager well) and bought them across the counter, at the moment I cannot > rember the numbers but all the original bearing are standard sizes some I > got for around $7.00 au ($4.50 us?) the very small ones were dearer but I > dont think I paid more than $20.00 for a single bearing I can go and look at > my old invoices but all I needed was the od id and width, I could also get > them from other dealers but skf would have them on the shelf most of the > time, if you would like me look into it further for you I would be happy to > do so I could have some in my pocket when I get oskosh? > > Lou > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Elevator instalation > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net> > > > > Lou, > > With respect to the self-aligning bearings, if you were able to buy them > > from a local bearing distributor, would you be kind enough to tell us what > > distributor you purchased them from and what were the manufacturer and > model > > numbers of the cross referenced bearings? Thanks very much for sharing > this > > information with the group. > > Dennis Savarese > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lou Dakos" <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au> > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Elevator instalation > > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lou Dakos" > <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au> > > > > > > When I overhauled my elevator I replaced all bearings with good quality > > self > > > aligning bearings and the only problem I had was to hold them all > straight > > > when attaching elevators they went into bearings with no problems, It > > would > > > worry me if I had to force them in as this would leave residual stress > > also > > > my books show self aligning bearings in all positions I think this > allows > > > things to move under flight loads and not bend bearing brackets which > are > > > not all that large. > > > My elevator is very smooth to operate and has no slack or unwanted play. > > as > > > all my other controls new self aligning bearings in every one that had > one > > > in the book. > > > > > > Lou > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net> > > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > > Subject: Yak-List: Elevator instalation > > > > > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net> > > > > > > > > We had a problem installing the elevator because a sealed non > centering > > > bearing had previously been installed in the inboard position. The pivot > > pin > > > would go into the bearing half way and lock. One of the other fellows > > > noticed the bearing bracket was flexing with each push we inserted a > > > screwdriver in the elevator slot to back up the bracket with one person > > > holding the screwdriver at the top and one at the bottom. The three of > us > > > pushed at the same time and the elevator seated. Hope this helps > someone. > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:45:44 AM PST US
    From: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
    Subject: Maintenance Information
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com> Following up on Frank's posting re: uplocks - an additional set of data that would be helpful (if not interesting) includes; - aircraft make/model - engine type - time in service - component time. This request has been posted by others in the past. It is frustrating at times to see a request for help and think you have some good advice and then realize you have no idea if it's a CJ, 52, 55. etc. Just the facts ma'am. Right now it's snowing on the magnolias and daffodils in Philly! Open season for the fair weather set! Reade Genzlinger (Yak-52) Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation 215.914.0370 215.790.6212 fax readeg@cairnwood.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian Lloyd [mailto:brian@lloyd.com] Subject: Re: Yak-List: Rebuilding YAK-52 uplocks --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> Frank Haertlein wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net> > > Yaksters > If you've ever rebuilt the uplocks on your YAK-52, this might prove > interesting. If anyone has any constructive criticism please respond. > Here's the link................ > http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver/uplock/uplocks.html Good idea Frank. The pictures and discussion were clear and useful. I can't comment on the specifics of the Yak-52 gear but the idea of constructing an on-line maintenance manual is a good one. It would be good if you had pictures of the disassembly and reassembly process for the uplock mechanisms so that someone could follow along as they do the same for their airplanes. I would like to see this done for the CJ6A as well. It will help people perform maintenance properly on their airplanes. -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax


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    Time: 09:04:41 AM PST US
    From: "Rick Basiliere" <discrab@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Hose and Firesleeve
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Rick Basiliere" <discrab@earthlink.net> Don, A question. How many hours did you get from your M14-PF before it needed this FWF maintenance? How hard did you run it? I have 725ttsn on my M14P (360 hp) in my Sukhoi. Flown mostly @ 100% in Unlimited. With no indications or thoughts of overhaul in the foreseeable future. I've wondered about the ruggedness of the PF. I'd be interested in your cost of overhaul if you would care to share it- off list is fine. If it would cut your costs you might think about having your vendor make kits for sale for those of us who would also like to replace hoses. I haven't heard of hose kits available. Thanks, Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Boardman Subject: Yak-List: Hose and Firesleeve --> Yak-List message posted by: Don Boardman <dboardm3@twcny.rr.com> Hi All, We are into the firewall forward of our M14-PF. A couple of questions. 1) In the engine compartment it looks like we have the option of using standard Aeroquip 303 or the stainless outer braid 601/AE701 hose. The stainless runs about twice the cost. Opinions? 2) What gets firesleeved? I assume all fuel and primer lines. Do all the oil and case venting lines get sleeved as well? 3) If a hose gets firesleeved what does the stainless covered hose buy you? 4) Do the Yaks use an Oil-Air Separator? A good idea to use one? Which to purchase? Thanks in advance. Regards, Don Boardman & Partner, Randy Bowers Super Moose #130 M-14PF 400HP, MT-prop, Aerocet 3500 amphibs, Rome, NY


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    Time: 09:55:07 AM PST US
    From: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
    Subject: Re: Elevator instalation
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com> Dennis, I carry the self aligning bearings in my stock.......if they are the same as CJ6. Please contact me off list. Best, Doug Sapp ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Elevator instalation > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net> > > Lou, > With respect to the self-aligning bearings, if you were able to buy them > from a local bearing distributor, would you be kind enough to tell us what > distributor you purchased them from and what were the manufacturer and model > numbers of the cross referenced bearings? Thanks very much for sharing this > information with the group. > Dennis Savarese > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lou Dakos" <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Elevator instalation > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lou Dakos" <lou_dakos@bordermail.com.au> > > > > When I overhauled my elevator I replaced all bearings with good quality > self > > aligning bearings and the only problem I had was to hold them all straight > > when attaching elevators they went into bearings with no problems, It > would > > worry me if I had to force them in as this would leave residual stress > also > > my books show self aligning bearings in all positions I think this allows > > things to move under flight loads and not bend bearing brackets which are > > not all that large. > > My elevator is very smooth to operate and has no slack or unwanted play. > as > > all my other controls new self aligning bearings in every one that had one > > in the book. > > > > Lou > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net> > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: Yak-List: Elevator instalation > > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net> > > > > > > We had a problem installing the elevator because a sealed non centering > > bearing had previously been installed in the inboard position. The pivot > pin > > would go into the bearing half way and lock. One of the other fellows > > noticed the bearing bracket was flexing with each push we inserted a > > screwdriver in the elevator slot to back up the bracket with one person > > holding the screwdriver at the top and one at the bottom. The three of us > > pushed at the same time and the elevator seated. Hope this helps someone. > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 11:48:24 AM PST US
    From: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
    Subject: Auto pilots in CJs
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com> Guys and gals, I'd like to put an auto pilot into the new CJ and am considering a S-Tec 30. If anyone has already put an auto pilot into a CJ, Yak or similar aircraft I would appreciate you contacting me on the list or directly at Yakjock@msn.com Would also like to talk to anyone who has already used a Blue Mountain EFIS Lite or a Dynon EFIS. Thanks, Hal Morley Lake Oswego, Oregon "Hana Ho!" CJ-6P3E


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    Time: 12:06:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Autopilot in CJ
    From: "Jon Boede" <jon@zoso.email.net>
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@zoso.email.net> I'd considered an autopilot for my CJ... but first I'd have to remove the placard: "Straight and Level Flight Prohibited". Jon :-)


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    Time: 12:18:13 PM PST US
    From: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Yakjock@msn.com
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com> Hal, Have you thought about just hiring someone to fly the plane for you and putting a nice lounge chair in back to ride in? Yakjock <Yakjock@msn.com> wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" Guys and gals, I'd like to put an auto pilot into the new CJ and am considering a S-Tec 30. If anyone has already put an auto pilot into a CJ, Yak or similar aircraft I would appreciate you contacting me on the list or directly at Yakjock@msn.com Would also like to talk to anyone who has already used a Blue Mountain EFIS Lite or a Dynon EFIS. Thanks, Hal Morley Lake Oswego, Oregon "Hana Ho!" CJ-6P3E ---------------------------------


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    Time: 12:19:52 PM PST US
    From: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
    Subject: Re: Auto pilots in CJs
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> Yakjock wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com> > > Guys and gals, > > I'd like to put an auto pilot into the new CJ and am considering a S-Tec 30. > If anyone has already put an auto pilot into a CJ, Yak or similar aircraft I > would appreciate you contacting me on the list or directly at Yakjock@msn.com > I would seriously consider the TruTrak digital autopilots. It makes use of solid-state gyros and accelerometers so I strongly suspect that it will have a much higher MTBF than S-Tec's products. Also, since they are for experimental aircraft they have more lattitude to innovate than S-Tec which is catering to the certified aircraft market. This is what I had selected for The Project. -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax


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    Time: 12:20:37 PM PST US
    From: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
    Subject: TruTrak autopilots
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> Yakjock wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com> > > Guys and gals, > > I'd like to put an auto pilot into the new CJ I forgot to add the URL: http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/ -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax


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    Time: 12:22:30 PM PST US
    From: D Zeman <curious_wings@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Re: Re: AV-BLEND or ALCOR TCP
    --> Yak-List message posted by: D Zeman <curious_wings@yahoo.com> Thanks Brian, Reading your response makes sense. One problem with the M-14P is the lack of mixture control in situations like this. I have mixed a bit of autofuel in with the 100LL during the winter months but it is a real pain on an airport without mogas available. Keeping the power up is an issue as well when the engine is cool and once it has fouled the plug, I have found it hard (if not impossible) to resolve the issue without removing the plug (no mixture control). My next thought is to make sure the timing is placed at the extreme BTDC position for this and other considerations. Regards, D. Zeman http://tax.yahoo.com


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    Time: 12:43:57 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Dalton" <sdalton@goeaston.net>
    Subject: Sun&Fun Formation Clinic
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve Dalton" <sdalton@goeaston.net> I'm not much of a "list poster", but I wanted to say a couple things about the BOW formation clinic I just returned from. This was the first FAST clinic I have attended. Mike and Jim did a great job of running the show. We flew our butts off, had a great time, and were better pilots at the end. I was thoroughly impressed by the level of professionalism at the briefings, during the flights and in the debriefings. We had fun, but we did it the right way. Thanks to all the guys there for making a newbie feel welcome. I HIGHLY recommend these clinics to all Yak pilots who wish to get quality formation training. You'll be glad you attended. I'll wear my FAST patch with pride. Steve Dalton


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    Time: 01:14:13 PM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
    Subject: Re: TruTrak autopilots
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net> Here's another one to consider. http://www.navaid-devices.com/overview.htm Dennis Savarese ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com> Subject: Yak-List: TruTrak autopilots > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> > > Yakjock wrote: > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com> > > > > Guys and gals, > > > > I'd like to put an auto pilot into the new CJ > > I forgot to add the URL: http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/ > > > -- > > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax > > > > > > >


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    Time: 01:24:03 PM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
    Subject: Re: Hose and Firesleeve
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net> I believe YAK Parts Central, Stew Cochran, yakpartscentral@goquest.com, or Carl Hays in CA, jrgsg@simplyweb.net, has complete hose kits for the M14P. You may want to check with them. Dennis Savarese ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Basiliere" <discrab@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Hose and Firesleeve > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Rick Basiliere" <discrab@earthlink.net> > > Don, A question. How many hours did you get from your M14-PF before it > needed this FWF maintenance? How hard did you run it? I have 725ttsn on my > M14P (360 hp) in my Sukhoi. Flown mostly @ 100% in Unlimited. With no > indications or thoughts of overhaul in the foreseeable future. I've > wondered about the ruggedness of the PF. I'd be interested in your cost of > overhaul if you would care to share it- off list is fine. If it would cut > your costs you might think about having your vendor make kits for sale for > those of us who would also like to replace hoses. I haven't heard of hose > kits available. Thanks, Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Boardman > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Hose and Firesleeve > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Don Boardman <dboardm3@twcny.rr.com> > > Hi All, > > We are into the firewall forward of our M14-PF. > A couple of questions. > > 1) In the engine compartment it looks like we have the option of using > standard Aeroquip 303 or the stainless outer braid 601/AE701 hose. The > stainless runs about twice the cost. Opinions? > > > 2) What gets firesleeved? I assume all fuel and primer lines. Do all the > oil and case venting lines get sleeved as well? > > > 3) If a hose gets firesleeved what does the stainless covered hose buy you? > > > 4) Do the Yaks use an Oil-Air Separator? A good idea to use one? Which to > purchase? > > > Thanks in advance. > Regards, > Don Boardman > & Partner, Randy Bowers > Super Moose #130 M-14PF 400HP, MT-prop, Aerocet 3500 amphibs, Rome, NY > >


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    Time: 01:37:00 PM PST US
    From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
    Subject: TruTrak autopilots and other auto pilot installations
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net> Brian, Great auto pilot and one that I have signed up for as a dealer to help YAK/CJ owners moving forward. They are not very big on discounts but have a great product. George Coy has been asked to install several in Yak 52TW's and I am installing one in my IAR-823 4 place Romanian aircraft. As a dealer, I can offer discounts to YPA members. The retail price for the Digitrak is $1795 to give you an idea. It can be coupled into your GPS for direct and crabbing flight. No "S: turning as mist wing levelers. It was invented by the guy that invented the Century Auto pilot in the 1960's. Got tired of seeing his design go now where in 30 years. All solid state construction and few moving parts. Doug Sapp is able to help on getting this auto pilot also and can install the units. If Trutrak single axis auto pilot is not for you, The (S-Tek 30-or 50) wing leveler is the best one on the market but can be pricey. The other home built stand-by is the NavAid. It works well but is still a wing leveler that has been installed in many homebuilts over the years. Seems very reliable. Priced about the same as the Digitrak. Good luck and hope the information was helpful. Contact me off line if you have pricing questions. Mark (SHREK) Schrick Western USA Dealer for AEROSTAR (Yak 52TW/W) 966 Wallace Drive San Jose, CA 95120 (408) 323-5150 phone/fax (408) 391-6664 cell -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd Subject: Yak-List: TruTrak autopilots --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> Yakjock wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com> > > Guys and gals, > > I'd like to put an auto pilot into the new CJ I forgot to add the URL: http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/ -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax


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    Time: 09:44:04 PM PST US
    Subject: WTF, over?
    From: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net> > "Hana Ho!" CJ-6P3E I feel like I'm reading an inventory system number instead of a type identifier.... Barry


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    Time: 10:16:34 PM PST US
    From: KingCJ6@aol.com
    Subject: Re: WTF, over?
    --> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com Barry - some insight: Hal spent considerable time in Hawaii. The "P" is Hawaiian for Pupu, read appetizer in English. The "3" simply denotes the variety of Pupus, namely winged, fined and hoofed. The "E" designates the 7500 watt APU generator installed on "Hana Hol" to run the wine cooler, the 52" plasma screen, 3-ring gyro laser designator auto pilot, and the back-vibrator in the co-pilot's heated 3-axis Bark-O-Lounger seat. Dave In a message dated 4/7/2003 9:44:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, radialpower@cox.net writes: > --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net> > > > "Hana Ho!" CJ-6P3E > > I feel like I'm reading an inventory system number instead of a type > identifier.... > > Barry




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