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1. 08:42 AM - Re: SNF - Warbird Magazine (Terry Calloway)
2. 09:11 AM - SNF - Warbird Magazine (Janet Davidson)
3. 09:52 AM - Re: Pilot reports (Brian Lloyd)
4. 09:55 AM - Re: SNF - Warbird Magazine (Brian Lloyd)
5. 10:10 AM - Re: SNF - Warbird Magazine (Petri, David S. CDR NNSOC)
6. 11:32 AM - things that beat the air into submission (Barry Hancock)
7. 02:15 PM - Hogwash (Barry Hancock)
8. 02:24 PM - Pushing buttons... (Barry Hancock)
9. 02:35 PM - Re: Hogwash (Jon Boede)
10. 03:22 PM - Re: Hogwash (Brian Lloyd)
11. 03:24 PM - Re: Pushing buttons... (Brian Lloyd)
12. 03:51 PM - Re: Pushing buttons... (Craig Payne)
13. 03:54 PM - Re: Hogwash (Craig Payne)
14. 04:10 PM - Re: Hogwash (ByronMFox@aol.com)
15. 06:02 PM - Re: Hogwash (Brian Lloyd)
16. 09:37 PM - fuel quantity (jay reiter)
17. 10:28 PM - Re: fuel quantity (jackron@att.net)
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| Subject: | Re: SNF - Warbird Magazine |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
>"Janet Davidson" <gbvfx@hotmail.com>
>She said that a survey had been taken and not much
>interest had been epxressed in articles on such >aircraft.
That is probably because she surveyed the T-34 owner's.
tc
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| Subject: | SNF - Warbird Magazine |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Janet Davidson" <gbvfx@hotmail.com>
Rob
The photographers are given assignments by the editors and writers, and, as
far as I'm aware, no assignment was given for photographing any Yaks or
Nanchangs, either on the ground, or in the air. We did hear your formations
out practising from Bartow when we were up flying tho'. Maybe next time we
could just 'happen' to fly beside you as you do your formation, preferably
over the lake, with a bit of early morning mist and sunrise - it would look
pretty cool!
Sorry I don't have any more than that. You could try emailing the photo
department to see if they have anything on file.
Regards
Janet
Time: 03:51:48 PM PST US
From: "Robert Mortara" <robmortara@robinhill.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: SNF - Warbird Magazine
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Robert Mortara"
<robmortara@robinhill.com>
Do You have any digital photos of our formation during SNF?
I am putting together a cd for all the participants and looking for any
photos to include
rob
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Janet Davidson
Subject: Yak-List: SNF - Warbird Magazine
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Janet Davidson" <gbvfx@hotmail.com>
While at SNF, I was doing air-to-air work for the EAA photo department,
and
met Kim Rosenthal, editor of Warbirds magazine. I mentioned that I was
disappointed to see so few articles on the Yaks and Nanchangs in that
magazine, as they are now pretty popular and are well represented at
both
SNF and Oshkosh. She said that a survey had been taken and not much
interest had been epxressed in articles on such aircraft, but they were
planning to have one in the June or July issue......
Ph: 920 232 9238
email: gbvfx@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot reports |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Craig Payne wrote:
> Better yet...how about a WW-II Vichy France paint scheme? That should
> piss off everybody, especially the french.
Oooh, I *like* that. Talk about being an equal-opportunity offender!
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| Subject: | Re: SNF - Warbird Magazine |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Terry Calloway wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
>
>>"Janet Davidson" <gbvfx@hotmail.com>
>>She said that a survey had been taken and not much
>>interest had been epxressed in articles on such >aircraft.
>
>
> That is probably because she surveyed the T-34 owner's.
Actually, if you ask people what they want, they will tell you that they want
what they have always wanted. Most people don't want something new until
someone or something pushes them to take an interest and then they switch. That
is why it takes so long for new ideas to get established.
So by only giving people what they say they want they never make it possible for
them to get the idea that they may want something a bit different.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | SNF - Warbird Magazine |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Petri, David S. CDR NNSOC" <David.Petri@ARSPACE.ARMY.MIL>
Perhaps we should consider changing the name of this list to "Rodney
Dangerfield of Warbirds-List"?
Cheers,
Dave
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet Davidson [mailto:gbvfx@hotmail.com]
Subject: Yak-List: SNF - Warbird Magazine
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Janet Davidson" <gbvfx@hotmail.com>
Rob
The photographers are given assignments by the editors and writers, and, as
far as I'm aware, no assignment was given for photographing any Yaks or
Nanchangs, either on the ground, or in the air. We did hear your formations
out practising from Bartow when we were up flying tho'. Maybe next time we
could just 'happen' to fly beside you as you do your formation, preferably
over the lake, with a bit of early morning mist and sunrise - it would look
pretty cool!
Sorry I don't have any more than that. You could try emailing the photo
department to see if they have anything on file.
Regards
Janet
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| Subject: | things that beat the air into submission |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Well, I suppose if you showed up in a Mi-24 that'd be OK.... :) FYI,
we have 4 spam cans registered for Red Star...and we're happy to have
them!
Cheers,
Barry
On Monday, April 14, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> but now you are down on HELICOPTERS TOO???? I need more
> advance notice than this. I'll go broke trying to keep the right
> inventory
> painted the right way in order to hang out with my buddies!
Barry Hancock
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Monday, April 14, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> She said that a survey had been taken and not much
> interest had been epxressed in articles on such aircraft, but they were
> planning to have one in the June or July issue......
I don't know about you guys/gals, but I find this response
insulting...how can it possibly be that a non-warbird magazine like AOPA
finds enough interest in our birds to put them on the cover and do a
feature article on formation flying, yet WARBIRDS magazine did a
"survey" (convenient way to legitimize her point, I doubt it was based
in fact) and found no interest? Seems to me that there are as many
Yak/CJ owners out there now as any other group...their "survey"
obviously didn't include it's subscribers. You mean to tell me that
there is more interest in a Broussard than in a nicely restored Yak-52
or a CJ? C'mon....well, perhaps EAAWB was against the war in Iraq too.
OK, I'm venting now, but really, I'm offended at Kim Rosenlof's response
and it should not go quietly.
I believe the above discourse should be brought to the attention of
Michael Schloss, warbirdpres@aolcom. If, in fact, a survey was done,
who did they poll? How was the survey done? Certainly an editor of a
magazine wouldn't mislead an inquisitive member, right?
One thing is for certain, the Red Star community continues to grow. Our
pilots continue to get better flying big formations, our aircraft are
continually restored to higher standards, and more aircraft are being
put into the skies every year. We can only continue to be ignored for
so long. The fact is, however, we are not being ignored in other
circles. Red Star West '03 had two 1/4 page write-ups in prominent
magazines and we are having media inquiries from all over about covering
the event.
The message is getting out. It appears, however, that one outlet is
mired in it's own dogma.
Sincerely,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | Pushing buttons... |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
> You seem to be 180 degrees out-of-phase with the trends. Perhaps a P-40
> Flying Tiger scheme on your Yak-50???? Maybe a Spitfire Malcom hood
> canopy?
>
> Better yet...how about a WW-II Vichy France paint scheme? That should
> piss off everybody, especially the french.
Right! Some lead, some follow, some push over instead of going
inverted....
Barry
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@zoso.email.net>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
> The message is getting out. It appears, however, that one outlet is
> mired in it's own dogma.
Anybody want to take a stab at summing up preceived biases against "red
star" airplanes, as opposed to old U.S. military stuff?
I'd be curious to know where our bread is buttered, and on the contrary
who out there doesn't seem to be too fond of us.
Jon
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Barry Hancock wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
>
> On Monday, April 14, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
>
>
>>She said that a survey had been taken and not much
>>interest had been epxressed in articles on such aircraft, but they were
>>planning to have one in the June or July issue......
>
>
> I don't know about you guys/gals, but I find this response
> insulting...how can it possibly be that a non-warbird magazine like AOPA
> finds enough interest in our birds to put them on the cover and do a
> feature article on formation flying, yet WARBIRDS magazine did a
> "survey" (convenient way to legitimize her point, I doubt it was based
> in fact) and found no interest?
To be insulting there needs to be malice aforethought. I prefer, "Never
attribute to malice that which may be adequately explained by stupidity."
> Seems to me that there are as many
> Yak/CJ owners out there now as any other group...their "survey"
> obviously didn't include it's subscribers. You mean to tell me that
> there is more interest in a Broussard than in a nicely restored Yak-52
> or a CJ? C'mon....well, perhaps EAAWB was against the war in Iraq too.
> OK, I'm venting now, but really, I'm offended at Kim Rosenlof's response
> and it should not go quietly.
Why not? Does your enjoyment in your aircraft decrease as a result of
"Warbirds" not printing an article? So go out and get exposure in another rag.
A lot more people read Flying, Private Pilot, AOPA Pilot, Warbirds
International, etc., than read EAA Warbirds magazine. I would spend my effort
getting into the mainstream rags rather than getting pissy over a minor one like
"Warbirds".
> I believe the above discourse should be brought to the attention of
> Michael Schloss, warbirdpres@aolcom. If, in fact, a survey was done,
> who did they poll? How was the survey done? Certainly an editor of a
> magazine wouldn't mislead an inquisitive member, right?
Remember: stupidity not malice.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: Pushing buttons... |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Barry Hancock wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
>
>>You seem to be 180 degrees out-of-phase with the trends. Perhaps a P-40
>>Flying Tiger scheme on your Yak-50???? Maybe a Spitfire Malcom hood
>>canopy?
>>
>>Better yet...how about a WW-II Vichy France paint scheme? That should
>>piss off everybody, especially the french.
>
>
> Right! Some lead, some follow, some push over instead of going
> inverted....
Hey, there is more than one way to end up inverted and half and outside loop
will get you there just fine. (Just don't try to do it in a CJ6A.)
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: Pushing buttons... |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne <cpayne@mc.net>
Brian,
This was a shot at me for not rolling when I had as GIB, a local lady
that Russ stuffed in the rear whom I did not know....during a lead check
flight. My insurance is good but not Great. Result; I'm not taking any
locals as GIBs on formation flights, screw airboss!
Craig Payne
> >
> > Right! Some lead, some follow, some push over instead of going
> > inverted....
>
> Hey, there is more than one way to end up inverted and half and outside loop
> will get you there just fine. (Just don't try to do it in a CJ6A.)
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite ==================================================================
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne <cpayne@mc.net>
Whoa Dude, some Facts first.
Kim, the contract WB editor, DID tell me that she was working on a photo
spread of Yaks, and Nanchangs. Lock & load but don't shoot until you are
sure it's not Friendlies out front.
Craig Payne
Barry Hancock wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
> On Monday, April 14, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
>
> > She said that a survey had been taken and not much
> > interest had been epxressed in articles on such aircraft, but they were
> > planning to have one in the June or July issue......
>
> I don't know about you guys/gals, but I find this response
> insulting...how can it possibly be that a non-warbird magazine like AOPA
> finds enough interest in our birds to put them on the cover and do a
> feature article on formation flying, yet WARBIRDS magazine did a
> "survey" (convenient way to legitimize her point, I doubt it was based
> in fact) and found no interest? Seems to me that there are as many
> Yak/CJ owners out there now as any other group...their "survey"
> obviously didn't include it's subscribers. You mean to tell me that
> there is more interest in a Broussard than in a nicely restored Yak-52
> or a CJ? C'mon....well, perhaps EAAWB was against the war in Iraq too.
> OK, I'm venting now, but really, I'm offended at Kim Rosenlof's response
> and it should not go quietly.
>
> I believe the above discourse should be brought to the attention of
> Michael Schloss, warbirdpres@aolcom. If, in fact, a survey was done,
> who did they poll? How was the survey done? Certainly an editor of a
> magazine wouldn't mislead an inquisitive member, right?
>
> One thing is for certain, the Red Star community continues to grow. Our
> pilots continue to get better flying big formations, our aircraft are
> continually restored to higher standards, and more aircraft are being
> put into the skies every year. We can only continue to be ignored for
> so long. The fact is, however, we are not being ignored in other
> circles. Red Star West '03 had two 1/4 page write-ups in prominent
> magazines and we are having media inquiries from all over about covering
> the event.
>
> The message is getting out. It appears, however, that one outlet is
> mired in it's own dogma.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Barry
>
> Barry Hancock
=====================================================================
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--> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
In a message dated 4/15/03 3:23:33 PM, brian@lloyd.com writes:
<< "Never
attribute to malice that which may be adequately explained by stupidity." >>
Thank you, Brian. Along with "No good deed goes unpunished", yours will
become one of my favorites, although perhaps "stupidity" can as often be
replaced by "simple ignorance".
...Blitz
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
ByronMFox@aol.com wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 4/15/03 3:23:33 PM, brian@lloyd.com writes:
>
> << "Never
> attribute to malice that which may be adequately explained by stupidity." >>
>
> Thank you, Brian. Along with "No good deed goes unpunished", yours will
> become one of my favorites, although perhaps "stupidity" can as often be
> replaced by "simple ignorance".
Yes, you are probably right. OTOH, ignorance can be cured but stupidity goes on
forever.
That reminds me of another one, "Beauty is only skin deep but ugly goes all the
way to the bone."
And on that note I am reminded of Winston Churchill's response to a woman MP who
accused him of being drunk. Mr. Churchill's response: "And you, madam, are
ugly. But I shall be sober tomorrow."
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
Has anyone found the calibration procedure for the fuel quantity on a CJ? I have
been looking for it in the docs. I have been able to find the components in
the illustrated parts but that's all. Jay
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| Subject: | Re: fuel quantity |
--> Yak-List message posted by: jackron@att.net
Jay, Drain the fuel tank, Add 5 ltrs of fuel, adjust the rheostat looking
thingy on top of the fuel sender, at the tank, until the gauge reads 5 ltrs,
done. It's the low arc of the fuel guage that's important, but at least on
mine, once I calibrated the bottom 5 ltrs, the rest was pretty accurate.
Ron Swanson
--
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
>
> Has anyone found the calibration procedure for the fuel quantity on a CJ? I have
> been looking for it in the docs. I have been able to find the components in the
> illustrated parts but that's all. Jay
>
>
>
>
>
>
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