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1. 03:26 AM - Re: Yak 52 service ceiling (Ron Davis)
2. 04:46 AM - Re: Ignition gremlin (Craig Payne)
3. 04:47 AM - Re: Ignition gremlin (Frank Haertlein)
4. 05:02 AM - Re: Ignition gremlin (Brian Lloyd)
5. 05:06 AM - Re: Yak 52 service ceiling (Brian Lloyd)
6. 05:15 AM - Re: Yak 52 service ceiling (Brian Lloyd)
7. 05:53 AM - Re: Yak 52 service ceiling (Brian Lloyd)
8. 05:57 AM - Re: Ignition gremlin (cjpilot710@aol.com)
9. 05:59 AM - Re: Yak 52 service ceiling (cjpilot710@aol.com)
10. 06:38 AM - Re: Ignition gremlin (A. Dennis Savarese)
11. 07:31 AM - Re: Yak 55 (Rick Basiliere)
12. 08:07 AM - Re: fire extinguishers (Rick Basiliere)
13. 08:37 AM - Re: fire extinguishers (Brian Lloyd)
14. 10:21 AM - Re: fire extinguishers (Craig Payne)
15. 11:01 AM - Re: fire extinguishers (Jones, Bryan D.)
16. 12:34 PM - Re: fire extinguishers (William Halverson)
17. 12:36 PM - Re: fire extinguishers (William Halverson)
18. 01:05 PM - Re: fire extinguishers (Brian Lloyd)
19. 01:19 PM - Re: fire extinguishers (Brian Lloyd)
20. 02:12 PM - Re: fire extinguishers (Roy O. Wright)
21. 04:28 PM - PIREPS article (Avcraft)
22. 04:41 PM - Re: PIREPS article (Doug)
23. 06:54 PM - Re: PIREPS article (Terry Calloway)
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 service ceiling |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
You apparently had a typo there. Service ceiling is the altitude at which
the plane has a climb of 100 fpm. And, since no one ask, absolute altitude
is where V-x and V-y converge.
>From: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 service ceiling
>Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:21:43 -0400
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
>Steven Johnson wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Steven Johnson" <sajdds@attbi.com>
> >
> > Why is the Yak 52 service ceiling only 13,000 ft? I would think with a
> > supercharger it should go 10,000 feet higher.
>
>Service ceiling is defined as the altitude at which rate-of-climb decreases
>to 200 fpm at max gross weight. If the airplane is not at max gross it
>will climb significantly higher than its published service ceiling.
>
>Of course, who knows what the Russians or Romanians use as a definition for
>service ceiling.
>
>As for the supercharger, it is there primarily to improve the volumetric
>efficiency of the engine, not to provide a significant boost to power. A
>low compression cylinder doesn't "suck" very well so the supercharger
>provides a positive pressure to help "blow" the fuel/air charge into the
>cylinder during the intake stroke thus ensuring that the cylinder receives
>a full fuel/air charge.
>
>--
>
>Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
>brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
>+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
>GMT-4
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition gremlin |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne <cpayne@mc.net>
Hal, see comments:
> I asked about swapping the right and left mags in the current plane
> and was told that that wouldn't work as the left mag is also set up
> to handle the shower of sparks.
Just the mag cap is set up to handle the SOS so that means that you can
swap the mags themselves. The caps aren't really that hard to change
and ARE a potential source of gremlins due to poor wire connections,
and excess carbon dust. Doug has caps. I have interchanged Chinese caps
and rotors in Russian mags...no problem.
Craig Payne
>
> All suggestions are welcome!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hal
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| Subject: | Ignition gremlin |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
For the last several weeks my mechanic and I have been trying to track
down and cure a persistent ignition problem.
HAL;
Just a thought.............could the right mag switch be vibration
sensitive? Is there a loose connection in the wiring somewhere that
causes the mag to cut out intermittently? How about an intermittent
short in the wiring somewhere?
Frank
N9110M
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition gremlin |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Yakjock wrote:
> The engine still misses and sends out puffs of black smoke on the right
> mag, and runs perfectly on the left.
Puffs of black smoke imply an overly rich mixture. The symptoms describe
are what would happen to my Housai when the primer was not locked but then
it usually happened on both mags. Is it possible you have two problems and
the mixture problem is exacerbating the mag problem or causing partial
fouling of the plugs enough to make the mag look bad?
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Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 service ceiling |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Ron Davis wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> You apparently had a typo there. Service ceiling is the altitude at which
> the plane has a climb of 100 fpm.
It depends on whether you are talking about a single or multi-engine
airplane. For a single service ceiling in the US is defined as the
altitude when ROC is 200 fpm at max gross weight. For twin-engine aircraft
it is defined as the altitude at which single-engine ROC is 100 fpm at max
gross weight.
> And, since no one ask, absolute altitude is where V-x and V-y converge.
That is also the altitude where ROC is zero.
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Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 service ceiling |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Brian Lloyd wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> Ron Davis wrote:
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>>
>> You apparently had a typo there. Service ceiling is the altitude at
>> which the plane has a climb of 100 fpm.
I take back what I just posted. ME service ceiling is where ROC is 50 fpm
with th ecritical engine caged. I was positive that the single-engine
service ceiling was specified as that altitude where the ROC decreases to
200 fpm but I have found out-of-the-US refereces to 100 fpm so am
researching this.
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Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 service ceiling |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Brian Lloyd wrote:
Never mind. I was wrong. Service ceiling is defined as the density
altitude at which the aircraft RoC decreses to 100 fpm, 50fpm for engine
out on a multi-engine aircraft.
I have been using 200 fpm for at least the last 31 years. Did the FAA
change the definition at some point within that time?
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Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition gremlin |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 6/20/2003 12:07:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Yakjock@msn.com writes:
Hal,
Check the "P" lead connections. I had the very same systems and it turned
out to be the "P" lead connection on one mag was loose.
Also check that the mounting plate that the points are mounted on, in the
mag, is tight and not loose. This give you the same indications also.
Like Craig said, you can exchange mag from one side to the other. Only the
distribution cap is wired different for the shower of sparks. When you switch,
you will have to reindex the mags. Other than that, its not a problem.
> Hi all,
>
> I could use some advice about now.
>
> For the last several weeks my mechanic and I have been trying to track down
> and cure a persistent ignition problem. In flight my CJ with an M14P runs
> great on the left mag, but missies when I run on the right mag. I have an
> electronic tach, and this show a recurrent fluctuation in percent power with
the
> yellow warning light flashing to indicate more than a 40 rpm differential
> between the right and left mags. On the ground during runnup the engine does
> not miss.
>
> To ferret out the problem we have:
> - cleaned the mags out until the sparkle
> - checked the mag timing (there is a small differential between the two, but
> within specs).
> - cleaned and regapped all spark plugs (Champions)
> -Installed a new coil in the right mag
> - cleaned the high tension spark plug leads
> - put in new spark plugs in the rear positions (for the right mag).
> - used a high tension leade tester to check out all the leads.
> - replaced the entire high tension wiring harness with a new one
> - Installed a new high tension post in the right mag
> - Rechecked to make sure the mag switch was talking to the right mags.
>
> The engine still misses and sends out puffs of black smoke on the right mag,
> and runs perfectly on the left.
>
> We attempted to take the right mag off the M14P in my new plane to put on
> this plane - my mechanic told me it wouldn't work as they were 90 degrees out
> of faze with each other (both coming out when the engines were at top dead
> center on the compression stroke at #4). So we can't use one as a backup to
the
> other.
>
> I asked about swapping the right and left mags in the current plane and was
> told that that wouldn't work as the left mag is also set up to handle the
> shower of sparks.
>
> All suggestions are welcome!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hal
>
Jim
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 service ceiling |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 6/20/2003 8:54:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
brian@lloyd.com writes:
>
> I have been using 200 fpm for at least the last 31 years. Did the FAA
> change the definition at some point within that time?
>
>
Will, I've been flying some 48 years old buddy and its alway been 100 fpm. :)
Jim
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition gremlin |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Hal,
The mags ARE interchangeable on your engine. The only difference between
the left and right mag is the cap on the left mag and the additional lead
coming into that cap from the shower of sparks. When you pull the cover and
the front plate that bolts to the cover, the mag can be removed and the cap
will stay with the front cover plate and it's large conduit where all the
leads run through.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Ignition gremlin
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I could use some advice about now.
>
> For the last several weeks my mechanic and I have been trying to track
down and cure a persistent ignition problem. In flight my CJ with an M14P
runs great on the left mag, but missies when I run on the right mag. I have
an electronic tach, and this show a recurrent fluctuation in percent power
with the yellow warning light flashing to indicate more than a 40 rpm
differential between the right and left mags. On the ground during runnup
the engine does not miss.
>
> To ferret out the problem we have:
> - cleaned the mags out until the sparkle
> - checked the mag timing (there is a small differential between the two,
but within specs).
> - cleaned and regapped all spark plugs (Champions)
> -Installed a new coil in the right mag
> - cleaned the high tension spark plug leads
> - put in new spark plugs in the rear positions (for the right mag).
> - used a high tension leade tester to check out all the leads.
> - replaced the entire high tension wiring harness with a new one
> - Installed a new high tension post in the right mag
> - Rechecked to make sure the mag switch was talking to the right mags.
>
> The engine still misses and sends out puffs of black smoke on the right
mag, and runs perfectly on the left.
>
> We attempted to take the right mag off the M14P in my new plane to put on
this plane - my mechanic told me it wouldn't work as they were 90 degrees
out of faze with each other (both coming out when the engines were at top
dead center on the compression stroke at #4). So we can't use one as a
backup to the other.
>
> I asked about swapping the right and left mags in the current plane and
was told that that wouldn't work as the left mag is also set up to handle
the shower of sparks.
>
> All suggestions are welcome!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hal
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rick Basiliere" <discrab@earthlink.net>
Jim; I have one. Contact me off line. Thanks. Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Ivey
Subject: Yak-List: Yak 55
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
Anybody know where one may purchase a Yak 55?
Jim Ivey
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| Subject: | fire extinguishers |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rick Basiliere" <discrab@earthlink.net>
Folks; With all due respect... Halon will amaze you at how much fire it
will put out. Being a career professional fireman I had a chance to test
Halon when it was new. A fully involved kitchen fire was extinguished by a
one second puff of a Halon (180?, I forget the type). Halon works by
interrupting the chemical chain reaction that allows the fire to continue.
Water cools it and multi-purpose dry chemical smothers. The Fire Triangle
some of you may remember has been replaced by the Tetrahedron. Fuel,
Oxygen(oxydizer), heat, now also chemical chain reaction. Remove any one
and the fire will go out. Class is over...sorry. Halon works miracles, its
clean-won't mess up computers, electronics, etc. like dry chem. does. Halon
is not suffocating like CO2, but you can't use it to cool your beer like
CO2. I guess the jury is still out if there are any long term negative
effects on the human body. Cockpit use...you don't have to be accurate with
it and you don't have to deal with 2 1/2 lbs. of dry chemical dust because
if you use a dry chem. you better use it all, if you don't quite get the
fire totally and it flares up you won't have enough left to put it out
again. School is out...sorry again. Be careful, be safe. Regards, Rick
PS Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it @##$%,s up the ozone layer. The People's
Republic of Boulder had us pull Halon off all the trucks a couple of years
ago. Save your hide, deal with the granola freaks later. It's easier to
beg forgiveness than get permission.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Subject: Re: Yak-List: fire extinguishers
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Walt Lannon wrote:
> ext., gave a cut sign to the pilot and put out the fire with the last
spurt
> out of the ext.
> Problem was a cockpit controlled fuel drain that stuck open. The 195 pilot
> recharged my extinguisher for me.
> So, may be they are not a total waste of time.
I think that an extinguisher is great to have on the ground for fires
during start-up. The military has recognized this for a long time and it
has been their policy to have someone standing by with an extinguisher
during start. But the extinguisher stays on the ground to be used with the
next airplane starting up.
But in-flight a hand-held extinguisher is, IMHO, pretty useless. The
hand-held extinguisher is too small to do much and while you are strapped
into the seat you can't maneuver to direct the extinguisher where there is
likely to be needed and if you unstrap and maneuver to direct the
extinguisher, you can't fly the airplane.
Some of you know my somewhat unortodox belief that circuit breakers and
fuses should not be accessible in flight. If you can't get at them you
will not be motivated to try to fix a problem in flight and you won't be
excessively distracted from flying the airplane. Save the troubleshooting
for the ground. If you are dependent on a particular circuit working in
order to safely complete a flight, you had better come up with a backup for
that circuit.
Fire extinguishers are in the same category. If stopping or slowing a fire
is critical, put a permanent solution in place where you can trigger it and
let it do its job while you fly the airplane. A hand-held extinquisher is
just likely to distract you from the task of flying the airplane or from
getting your precious butt out while you still can.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: fire extinguishers |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Rick Basiliere wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Rick Basiliere" <discrab@earthlink.net>
>
> Folks; With all due respect... Halon will amaze you at how much fire it
> will put out. Being a career professional fireman I had a chance to test
> Halon when it was new. A fully involved kitchen fire was extinguished by a
> one second puff of a Halon (180?, I forget the type).
I believe it is Halon 1301.
> Halon works by
> interrupting the chemical chain reaction that allows the fire to continue.
> Water cools it and multi-purpose dry chemical smothers. The Fire Triangle
> some of you may remember has been replaced by the Tetrahedron. Fuel,
> Oxygen(oxydizer), heat, now also chemical chain reaction. Remove any one
> and the fire will go out. Class is over...sorry. Halon works miracles, its
> clean-won't mess up computers, electronics, etc. like dry chem. does. Halon
> is not suffocating like CO2, but you can't use it to cool your beer like
> CO2. I guess the jury is still out if there are any long term negative
> effects on the human body. Cockpit use...you don't have to be accurate with
> it and you don't have to deal with 2 1/2 lbs. of dry chemical dust because
> if you use a dry chem. you better use it all, if you don't quite get the
> fire totally and it flares up you won't have enough left to put it out
> again. School is out...sorry again. Be careful, be safe. Regards, Rick
Halon 1301 is great! It is miracle stuff. You just aren't allowed to buy
it anymore. I can no longer recertify the halon extinguishers for my
engine compartments even if they meet spec (weight, presure, etc.). The
replacement is supposed to be FM200 (Heptafluoropropane) and boy is it
expensive! A 6lb extinguisher capable of flooding a 100 cubic foot
compartment is over $400. That is approaching the cost of something that
has "FAA/PMA" stamped on it.
> PS Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it @##$%,s up the ozone layer. The People's
> Republic of Boulder had us pull Halon off all the trucks a couple of years
> ago. Save your hide, deal with the granola freaks later. It's easier to
> beg forgiveness than get permission.
Which is one reason I don't plan to remove my automatic Halon extinguishers
from my engine compartments as long as they still work properly. But I
would not be surprised if armed agents of the EPA (yes, EPA agents are
allowed to go armed) came and dragged me away.
Want a chuckle? The Coast Guard says we have to pull Halon 1301 from the
boat by the end of the year because it is a hazardous material. But there
is no approved disposal method for Halon 1301. So I am breaking the law if
I keep it and breaking the law if I get rid of it. The Coasties advocate
the "don't ask, don't tell" approach to this. Why do I feel as if I am in
a Kafka dream?
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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| Subject: | Re: fire extinguishers |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne <cpayne@mc.net>
Brian,
Start a small "cooking fire" and then put it out with the Halon. No
dosposal problem then. Could you just discharge it outside US
territorial waters?
Craig Payne
>
> Want a chuckle? The Coast Guard says we have to pull Halon 1301 from the
> boat by the end of the year because it is a hazardous material. But there
> is no approved disposal method for Halon 1301. So I am breaking the law if
> I keep it and breaking the law if I get rid of it. The Coasties advocate
> the "don't ask, don't tell" approach to this. Why do I feel as if I am in
> a Kafka dream?
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd
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| Subject: | fire extinguishers |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jones, Bryan D." <bryan.jones@lyondell-citgo.com>
>But I
would not be surprised if armed agents of the EPA (yes, EPA agents are
allowed to go armed) came and dragged me away.
I've seen IRS employees carrying handguns as well. Want to say I heard
Department of Education does also. Hmmm.
Bryan Jones
Pearland, Texas
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: fire extinguishers |
--> Yak-List message posted by: William Halverson <william@netpros.net>
Well, armed IRS agents make sense to me for a number of reasons ... and
the EPA guys must need them to protect themselves from Mother Nature, of
course ...
;-)
Jones, Bryan D. wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jones, Bryan D." <bryan.jones@lyondell-citgo.com>
>
>>But I
>>
>would not be surprised if armed agents of the EPA (yes, EPA agents are
>allowed to go armed) came and dragged me away.
>
>I've seen IRS employees carrying handguns as well. Want to say I heard
>Department of Education does also. Hmmm.
>
>Bryan Jones
>Pearland, Texas
>
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| Subject: | Re: fire extinguishers |
--> Yak-List message posted by: William Halverson <william@netpros.net>
Just found out each county has a 'hazardous materials' disposal site ...
mine is across the street from a large maintenance hangar at the local
airport ... might try dropping the Halon 1301 unit off with them ...
But is it illegal to 'have' it or to 'use' it?
Craig Payne wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne <cpayne@mc.net>
>
>Brian,
>
>Start a small "cooking fire" and then put it out with the Halon. No
>dosposal problem then. Could you just discharge it outside US
>territorial waters?
>
>Craig Payne
>
>>Want a chuckle? The Coast Guard says we have to pull Halon 1301 from the
>>boat by the end of the year because it is a hazardous material. But there
>>is no approved disposal method for Halon 1301. So I am breaking the law if
>>I keep it and breaking the law if I get rid of it. The Coasties advocate
>>the "don't ask, don't tell" approach to this. Why do I feel as if I am in
>>a Kafka dream?
>>--
>>
>>Brian Lloyd
>>
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| Subject: | Re: fire extinguishers |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Craig Payne wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Craig Payne <cpayne@mc.net>
>
> Brian,
>
> Start a small "cooking fire" and then put it out with the Halon. No
> dosposal problem then. Could you just discharge it outside US
> territorial waters?
Yes, both of those might work. Frankly who is likely to know if I just
slip them over the side while underway. But they are perfectly good
automatic extinguishers! Temp gets to 170F and they go off. If there is
no approved way of disposing of them, why not allow them to remain in use?
<sigh>
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brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
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| Subject: | Re: fire extinguishers |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
William Halverson wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: William Halverson <william@netpros.net>
>
> Just found out each county has a 'hazardous materials' disposal site ...
> mine is across the street from a large maintenance hangar at the local
> airport ... might try dropping the Halon 1301 unit off with them ...
I have just learned that someone decided that the policy was stupid and
that, if you have an undischarged Halon extinguisher that is in good shape,
you may still keep it installed in your vessel. How sensible.
My Halon 1301 extinguishers are half the size and weight of the FM200 unit
to cover the same volume.
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| Subject: | Re: fire extinguishers |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roy O. Wright" <roy@wright.org>
At 12:34 PM 6/20/2003 -0700, William Halverson wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: William Halverson <william@netpros.net>
>
>Well, armed IRS agents make sense to me for a number of reasons ... and
>the EPA guys must need them to protect themselves from Mother Nature, of
>course ...
You may want to read Section 7608. IRS agents may be armed only in
connection with the enforcement of alcohol, tobacco and firearm taxes,
they have no authority to be armed when it comes to income taxes.
Back to yak'ing. Brian, I understand your extinguishers are mounted
in the engine compartment with both a temperature trigger and a remote
trigger? Seems much better than one in the cockpit. Any sources?
Have fun,
Roy
',,'',,'',,',,'
Roy Wright 512.378.1234 mailto:royw@cisco.com
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"Experience is the thing you get the moment after you needed to have it."
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Avcraft" <avcraft@citlink.net>
This article will appear in July PIREPS; thought everyone would enjoy
reading it.=0D
=0D
Keith,=0D
=0D
I've just finished page 5 of PIREPS for July and this will be the write=0D
up concerning your Fly-in. Even though it was a rainy day, I thoroughly=0D
enjoyed myself, seeing the airplanes and visiting with everyone.=0D
=0D
If you see some things in the article which need to be changed or added=0D
to please let me know.=0D
=0D
Thanks,=0D
=0D
Ronnie Mitchell
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BAVkAAgALAAAAAAUAA8AAAQSEMlJq7046827/2AojmRpnmgEADs
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
All I got was alphabet soup!! anybody else get any readable test? Or is it just
me and my funky computer?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Avcraft" <avcraft@citlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: PIREPS article
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Avcraft" <avcraft@citlink.net>
>
> This article will appear in July PIREPS; thought everyone would enjoy
> reading it.0D
> 0D
> Keith,0D
> 0D
> I've just finished page 5 of PIREPS for July and this will be the write0D
> up concerning your Fly-in. Even though it was a rainy day, I thoroughly0D
> enjoyed myself, seeing the airplanes and visiting with everyone.0D
> 0D
> If you see some things in the article which need to be changed or added0D
> to please let me know.0D
> 0D
> Thanks,0D
> 0D
> Ronnie Mitchell
> R0lGODlhFAAPALMIAP9gAM9gAM8vAM9gL/+QL5AvAGAvAP9gL////wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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> BAVkAAgALAAAAAAUAA8AAAQSEMlJq7046827/2AojmRpnmgEADs
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
Nope, It was Keith's computer. His email is always that way. Should get it fixed.
tc
>>> rvfltd@televar.com 6/20/2003 6:39:06 PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" < rvfltd@televar.com >
All I got was alphabet soup!! anybody else get any readable test? Or is it just
me and my funky computer?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Avcraft" < avcraft@citlink.net >
Subject: Yak-List: PIREPS article
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Avcraft" < avcraft@citlink.net >
>
> This article will appear in July PIREPS; thought everyone would enjoy
> reading it.0D
> 0D
> Keith,0D
> 0D
> I've just finished page 5 of PIREPS for July and this will be the write0D
> up concerning your Fly-in. Even though it was a rainy day, I thoroughly0D
> enjoyed myself, seeing the airplanes and visiting with everyone.0D
> 0D
> If you see some things in the article which need to be changed or added0D
> to please let me know.0D
> 0D
> Thanks,0D
> 0D
> Ronnie Mitchell
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