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1. 06:19 AM - MTW aerobatic trianing (MFilucci@aol.com)
2. 07:57 PM - Re: CJ6 flying in China (Barry Hancock)
3. 09:10 PM - Re: CJ6a Air System-Water (Roger Bieberdorf)
4. 10:04 PM - All Red Star at OSH (Barry Hancock)
5. 10:17 PM - Re: CJ6a Air System-Water (cjpilot710@aol.com)
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| Subject: | MTW aerobatic trianing |
--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
Fellow Warbird Drivers,
If there is enough interest, Sergei Boriak will make himself available to
give aerobatic instruction in your aircraft at MTW again this year. Sergei is a
very experienced, instructor and former coach of the US Aerobatic Team. Those
who took instruction with him last year benefited greatly from the experience.
Sergei would be available as early as Sat and Sun, and is flexible for the
dates of our MTW schedule.
His daily fees are:
$350-one pilot
$450-split between two pilots
$550- split between three or more pilots
His plane ticket, about $150 and hotel about $50/night
would be divided by all who took lessons. He will only come if he has people
signed up ahead of time.
Please respond to me, off list, and I will make the appropriate arrangements
if we have enough pilots sign up for lessons.
Regards,
Mike Filucci
mfilucci@aol.com
703-867-8401
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| Subject: | Re: CJ6 flying in China |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Hi Richard,
Mark Jeffries runs Yak UK Ltd and it quite knowlegeable...here's his web
site. Please tell him we sent you...www.yakuk.co.uk
Doug Sapp is a good friend and a great resource (did I get that
backwards, Doug?). I've CC'd him...
Good luck with your pursuit and keep us posted with pictures, etc.!
Welcome to the wonderful world of ex-Commie Warbirds!
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510=09
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 07:12 PM, Drew Blahnick wrote:
> Barry, will you send RichardDoug Sapp and Marks (Yak sales in the
> UK) e-mail adress!?!
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I guess you live in the UK when not in China?? The CJ-6 community is
> not as large in Europe as in America, Canada and New Zealand.=A0 In the
> UK, there is a dealer in Russian Yak-52 aircraft, not as eye appealing
> and just a little slower, but rolls faster...and I should mention the
> cockpit isn`t as roomy as the CJ...Mark (the gentlemen I spoke about)
> should be able to help with the purchasing/import legalities of the UK
> and provide flight training....
>
> In the US, we have an importer who is selling the CJ-6 flight tested
> and registered with the FAA for $65,000 US, quite a good deal. He has a
> service rep who `puts the wings on` and takes care of flight worthiness
> here in Los Angeles, other reps are located in Arizona and Washington
> state.=A0 I realize your goal is an aircraft in the UK, and someone must
> be importing them there (Mark would know).You can expect to spend
> many weekends the first year `tinkering` to improve, remove and replace
> worn parts and custom modifying (new seat cushions, stuff like that)
> and spending a few to several thousand in the process.=A0 Yes you can
> just go fly, but we find owners treat the aircraft like their cars,
> they want them `just right` the way they like them...I`m no differant,
> mine has a CD player integrated in the avionics panel, custom seats,
> airshow smoke system....regardless, after a short while of removing and
> replacing some parts that are worn, chasing down a few air leaks and
> other simple `growth pains` of owning a former PLA aircraft, your CJ
> will be a very durable and dependable flying machine that attracts
> crowds and can do just about anything well, from cross country to
> airshow formation....Almost all parts are available through Doug
> Sapp=A0(more on him below) and=A0I have found if it`s not available, a good
> machine shop can make a replacement (this is a rare occurence
> fortunately).=A0
>
> I can expand on any maintenaince subject that you are=A0interested in
> later, be assured the aircraft are quite simple and if you have a good
> aviation mechanic and someone in your area knowledgable on the Radial
> Engine, you are in good shape!=A0 I also have two of the best mechanics
> in Engines and Airframes with us here in the LA=A0to San Diego area as
> well....=A0
>
>By the way, many of us in the US have removed the 285 HP Hunsai 9
> cyclinder radial and put on the Russian M-14P 360 HP radial engine with
> a better prop, this=A0adds a very nice increase in=A0power to weight as
> seen in climb performance (not much in cruise due to frontal drag).=A0
> The M-14 comes standard with the Yak 52 so you should have ample
> opportunity to obtain one in the UK/Europe.=A0 This is just information,
> the CJ flys just fine with the Hunsai 285 hp (both engines are near
> identical in design, communists don`t change something that works!)
>
> English translation manuals can be obtained from DOUG SAPP who lives in
> Washington state, he can sell you upkeep/service manuals and the flight
> manual....the flight manual is quite a joke, as its only a translation
> of the Chinese writing, for most it makes a conversation piece and
> little else...
>
> Doug Sapp is also the largest CJ parts supplier around, great guy,
> wealth of knowledge...he also has connections on obtaining a NEW CJ-6
> from Chinese, but it can take quite a long time due to the Chinese...
>
> Flight training can be obtained in the US at several locations.=A0 The
> Yak Pilots Association is writing a Western Flight Training Manual now,
> but it isn`t published yet...These aircraft aren`t found in flight
> training schools or clubs of course, but getting some training is
> possible through several options (one importer has a 25 hour training
> program if you buy from him)...=A0 But again, it sounds like you are a
> UK/Europe resident, where Mark is your man I suspect, his Yak aircraft
> share much of the starting procedures, etc. as they share a
> like-designed power plant.=A0 If you want to come to the US for training,
> aircraft inspection or purchase,let me know and I will help get you
> in the right direction...I live in the LA area (my CJ is based at a
> local LA airport) and a friend is=A0assembling a CJ right now at a near
> by airport for the importer...
>
> Barry will get you the addresses, I`m currently in Okinawa Japan with
> the=A0Yanks.
>
> AND PLEASE* I`m taking over as the president of the International Yak
> Pilots Association and run All=A0Red Star, both of which represent US and
> International pilots and owners of Yak and CJ aircraft, if you make any
> friends in the Chinese Nanchang community, either Civillian, Military,
> Government, or Manufacturing, please pass on our e-mail addresses and
> perhaps provide an introduction...I would like to come visit=A0myself
> here shortly...
>
> Thanks Richard, look forward to hearing about your adventures over
> there, perhaps we will publish your story on the website?
>
> Drew Blahnick
>
>
> >From: "JONES, Richard ACCM"
>
> >To: drewblahnick@hotmail.com
>
> >Subject: CJ6 flying in China
>
> >Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:05:51 +0200
>
> >
>
> >Dear Drew,
>
> >
>
> >I am currently living in Beijing, and have been frustrated these last
> few
>
> >years because I couldn't find any way to fly civilian aircraft here in
>
> >China. I recently discovered through a Swiss friend that it is
> possible to
>
> >fly with the Air Force, quite cheaply! Last weekend I had awonderful
> time at
>
> >the Datong Air Force base (about 3 hours drive west of Beijing) flying
> the
>
> >CJ6 for the firts time. The aircraft was beautiful to handle, but as my
>
> >Chinese is rather limited the instruction was rather basic and I never
> quite
>
> >mastered all the instruments and bank of switches.
>
> >
>
> >Can you tell me where I can buy a basic CJ6 flight manual in English
> (I need
>
> >at least the basic check list and speeds, plus explanation of all the
>
> >instumentation and controls). Where can I get flight training in the
> US,
>
> >Canada or (preferably) Europe? Where do I look to buy one, if I really
> get
>
> >the bug? How much would I expect to pay? What about maintenance? Do
> CJ6s fly
>
> >on the FAA civil register?
>
> >
>
> >Sorry about all the questions, but I think I am getting the CJ bug!
> Thanks
>
> >for your help
>
> >
>
> >Best regards
>
> >
>
> >Rick Jones
>
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: CJ6a Air System-Water |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Bieberdorf <rogerbyak@yahoo.com>
Joe; Approximately how big is the new air filter?....is it something more than
I have seen on some other Cj's that is maybe 3" diameter and 2" thick? Mom used
to have something like that to keep cookies crisp. The dessicant turned red
when wet (spent) and was blue when dried out.
I am thinking about something like a one to two gallon capacity that would be filled
with silica gel or calcium chloride and could be taken home and dried out
in the oven and become rejuveniated. This would absorb dissolved moisture
in the air on the suction side of the compressor. Seems like everybody fights
moisture problems in their air systems and there should be a way to keep it out.
rb
joe h <joeh@shaw.ca> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: joe h
Roger
The latest pressure air filter on the CJ-6 incorporates silica gel bead
dessicants to help remove moisture. Beads should be rejuvanted/replaced
regularly.
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Bieberdorf"
Subject: Yak-List: CJ6a Air System-Water
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Bieberdorf
>
> Even though it is quite dry here in Arizona, I still find an accumulation
of oil/moisture in the "snot" blowdown system. If I don't diligently
exhaust that system, then it finds its way into the air tank and associated
parts of the air system. Altho my repair for lack of diligence has been
limited to the filter and check valves; it crossed my mind: Why don't we
install a Desiccant/Dryer of significant size on the INTAKE to the Air
Compressor? That Desiccant/Dryer could be located between the firewall and
the cockpit bulkhead and piped to the compressor with Scat Tubing. Any
Ideas? rb
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | All Red Star at OSH |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Hey gang,
Well, it seems like just yesterday I was watching Orville and Wilbur
make history with the first powered flight...actually, it was...I love
the Discovery Wings channel! Anyway, this year is a special year for us
aviator types and the Grand Daddy of 'em all is just around the corner.
In anticipation of this year's Airventure, I wanted to let everyone know
that "The Cockpit" has been updated at www.allredstar.com. If you are
planning on going to OSH/MTW this year (if you aren't, change your
mind!) you need to check it out as it has links to all the info right in
the article, including a VERY important reminder...
http://www.allredstar.com/The_Cockpit.asp
As I mention in the article I'm very much looking forward to a "rejoin"
with old friends and meeting our new comrades. One of the tools we've
provided on the site is the Flight Scheduling room which allows you to
post your dates and route of flight to OSH (and any other event, for
that matter!) so that others can contact you about joining up along the
way. Don't be bashful....hopefully this will be a useful/used tool for
y'all (I can say "y'all" 'cuz my momma's from Alabama). Looks like I'm
leaving SoCal on Tuesday the 29th to hopefully arrive on the 30th...I
don't wanna miss Bobby Younkin's twin Beech routine on Thursday!
Come hell or high water I'm going to be there with Panda-
monium....complete with the large baggage compartment to haul Craig's
beer!
See you at the Centennial Celebration!
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | Re: CJ6a Air System-Water |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 6/25/2003 12:23:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
rogerbyak@yahoo.com writes:
>
> Joe; Approximately how big is the new air filter?....is it something more
> than I have seen on some other Cj's that is maybe 3" diameter and 2" thick?
> Mom used to have something like that to keep cookies crisp. The dessicant
> turned red when wet (spent) and was blue when dried out.
> I am thinking about something like a one to two gallon capacity that would
> be filled with silica gel or calcium chloride and could be taken home and
> dried out in the oven and become rejuveniated. This would absorb dissolved
> moisture in the air on the suction side of the compressor. Seems like everybody
> fights moisture problems in their air systems and there should be a way to
> keep it out. rb
> joe h <joeh@shaw.ca> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: joe h
> Roger
> The latest pressure air filter on the CJ-6 incorporates silica gel bead
> dessicants to help remove moisture. Beads should be rejuvanted/replaced
> regularly.
> Joe
>
Guys,
I'd resident about using the blue desiccant. The calcium chloride (more a
salt) stuff causes immediate corrosion to start in the aluminum body of the
dyer, and eventually eats though. This happened twice with me. Also it starts
rusting the gear and flap valves down stream. The silica gel works much better.
I had a local machine shop make a dryer body out of stainless steel. This
took care of the corrosion of the dryer body with the blue desiccant, but the
aluminum cap at each end started corroding even faster it seemed. I then
started using the silica gel that comes in the Russian packing crates and have
much
better results.
The CJ's come with two different filters or dyers. One is about 2" diameter
and maybe 2" long. It more a filter than a dryer. The other is about 2" in
diameter and about 6 or 7 inches long. This has felt filters at either end
with a desiccant between. It does take moisture out but not all of it and needs
to be changed often to be really effective.
You can never get all the water out. Make sure you drain the 'snot valves'
in front of the firewall and in the center section after each flight. This is
the best prevention. Also add air tool oil to you system often.
Jim
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
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Trojan Warriors BC
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until some woman stomps all over them."
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