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1. 05:41 AM - Paint Cost? (PSalter@aol.com)
2. 07:09 AM - Re: Paint Cost? (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 07:25 AM - Re: Paint Cost? Great Shop if you want to win Airshows!!!!! (Mark Schrick)
4. 07:29 AM - Re: Crosswind limitation - Attention! (Yakjock)
5. 07:39 AM - Vortice Generators (VGs) (Yakjock)
6. 08:14 AM - X-wind from Holland (robert de vries)
7. 09:29 AM - Re: Paint Cost? (E R)
8. 09:41 AM - Texas Paint Shop ()
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--> Yak-List message posted by: PSalter@aol.com
I just started looking for a paint shop to personalize my Yak 52. I have had
quotes from $6500. to $12000. It would seem since the Yak is about the size
of a Cessna or Piper single, the cost would be the same. One fellow I spoke
with, after looking at pictures on the Yak Pilots website commented about the
Yak being the size of the T 28. I live just outside Houston, Texas and would
rather have the plane painted within a couple of hours flight time from here.
Any recommendations on a reputable shop and what should a paint job cost?
Thanks in advance,
Phil Salter
2504U
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 7/4/2003 8:41:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, PSalter@aol.com
writes:
> Yak-List message posted by: PSalter@aol.com
>
> I just started looking for a paint shop to personalize my Yak 52. I have
> had
> quotes from $6500. to $12000. It would seem since the Yak is about the size
> of a Cessna or Piper single, the cost would be the same. One fellow I spoke
>
> with, after looking at pictures on the Yak Pilots website commented about
> the
> Yak being the size of the T 28. I live just outside Houston, Texas and
> would
> rather have the plane painted within a couple of hours flight time from
> here.
> Any recommendations on a reputable shop and what should a paint job cost?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Phil Salter
> 2504U
>
Phil,
The most important part of a paint job is the prep. The actual painting is
nothing. First I would not take my airplane to a painter who can't tell a
T-28 size airplane from the 52. He obviously does NOT know airplanes. Most
likely is an ex-auto painter.
Also The controls should be removed during the prep work and painted
separately. This means at least an A&P to do the work. The airplane must be
absolutely clean. No dirt nor paint stripper left on any where. A lot of these
paint
shops employ kids from the local auto culture who don't give a shit about how
clean your airplanes is. My advice is that you're better off paying as much
as you can afford.
A good paint job (useless you paint the thing pink) will add value to you
airplane.
Jim
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | Paint Cost? Great Shop if you want to win Airshows!!!!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Phil,
A really job shop in Phoenix Arizona area is JABS Aircraft Paint
Specialists.
They have done from straight paint jobs to wild graphics on a Turbine
Legend. They are located on the Copperstate Airport grounds and just did a
great job on a friends Yak 52W. Painted the Pitot to look like a 50 caliber
machine gun. Looks great and very professional. Cost was between $8000 to
$10,000 depend how much graphics you want. I am taking a plane to them later
this month for paint and I live 600 miles away. Worth the flight and easy to
jump on a jet from PHZ to anywhere home while they work on it.
Give them a call or e-mail for more information:
JABS
Steve Hayes
(520) 568-4334
trikpainter@cox.net
Located on Airport (GPS A39) Phoenix Regional Airport
Good luck they really do Show winning quality.
Mark (SHREK) Schrick
YAK Driver, Inc
Western USA Dealer for AEROSTAR (Yak 52TW/W)
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, CA 95120
(408) 323-5150 phone/fax
(408) 391-6664 cell
www.yakdriver.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: PSalter@aol.com
I just started looking for a paint shop to personalize my Yak 52. I have
had
quotes from $6500. to $12000. It would seem since the Yak is about the size
of a Cessna or Piper single, the cost would be the same. One fellow I spoke
with, after looking at pictures on the Yak Pilots website commented about
the
Yak being the size of the T 28. I live just outside Houston, Texas and
would
rather have the plane painted within a couple of hours flight time from
here.
Any recommendations on a reputable shop and what should a paint job cost?
Thanks in advance,
Phil Salter
2504U
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| Subject: | Re: Crosswind limitation - Attention! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
The CJ is an excellent crosswind aircraft as well, especially with no flaps.
Hal
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| Subject: | Vortice Generators (VGs) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
Does anyone use these now? A company that designs and installs these is located
45 minutes away in Eastern Oregon. I'm going to take my CJ over to run some
tests with them. They are supposed to reduce stall speeds, increase slow speed
maneuverability and aileron control - all without loss of cruise speed. When
I saw the red Yak 3 "Barbarossa" at the Golden Gate fly in there was a bunch
of VGs on it.
Hal
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| Subject: | X-wind from Holland |
--> Yak-List message posted by: robert de vries <redyak52@compuserve.com>
Folks,
Situaton:
Landing with a 2 m/s HW and 6 m/s XW comp.from right side.
1)Flare, rollout; park;beer;no problem!
2)Flare, T-D; wave-off>>close to problem;remember the amount of L-rudd. one
needs on a -52 to keep the acft straight on the rwy in no X-wind cond.???
Now try the same with a -say- touch&go in 8 m/s X-wind from the right,after
letting the speed drop to raise flaps and recompose during rollout.
Mayby in this situation when not aborting touch&go timely (enough rwy
remain?) one veeres off right rwy.edge .
So that is why the DOOSAF uses a 6 m/s X-wind comp.
This is also what Gennady E. tought me back in the UK @ Halfpenny Green.
I have to admit; I landed in more than this; but considering the above I
have second thoughts about the DOOSAF wisdom, and come to respect it more.
Why do we continiously try to 're-invent' the DOOSAF procedures and
maintenance practices; those people have safely operated the -52 for
zillions of hours.
So let's not make all the mistakes again they have already made for us (and
put in a book for us to learn from.)
Robert de Vries. Holland
www.redyak.tk
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"--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> However Brian, the word "demonstrated" as used in the American POH's and
> during certification testing of our American manufactured airplanes, is
not
> used in the Russian Flight Manual. But the words "must not exceed" are
used
> when stating the crosswind velocity of 6 m/sec.
Then don't fly when the crosswind component exceeds 6m/s.
As I recall, the phrase "demonstrated crosswind capability" was used in an
earlier post. Not having the Yak-52 manual I won't comment beyond that.
--
"
-------------------- End Original Message --------------------
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--> Yak-List message posted by: E R <jogggles@yahoo.com>
>
> Phil,
The most important part of a paint job is the prep. The actual painting is
nothing. First I would not take my airplane to a painter who can't tell a
T-28 size airplane from the 52. He obviously does NOT know airplanes. Most
likely is an ex-auto painter.
Also The controls should be removed during the prep work and painted
separately. This means at least an A&P to do the work. The airplane must be
absolutely clean. No dirt nor paint stripper left on any where. A lot of these
paint
shops employ kids from the local auto culture who don't give a shit about how
clean your airplanes is. My advice is that you're better off paying as much
as you can afford.
A good paint job (useless you paint the thing pink) will add value to you
airplane.
Jim
Jim,
I LIKE pink.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | Texas Paint Shop |
--> Yak-List message posted by: <johnhilterman1@cox.net>
Phil,
Check out Texas Aerocolor in Brady, TX. Their website is
www.texasaerocolor.com. They've done warbirds in the past and seem to do
good work. Might be worth a call to them.
John
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