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1. 04:46 AM - Re: THIS IS REALLY WIERD (Brian Lloyd)
2. 05:26 AM - Re: THIS IS REALLY WIERD (Ernie)
3. 05:56 AM - Re: THIS IS REALLY WIERD (cjpilot710@aol.com)
4. 06:56 AM - Mag timing (Gus Fraser)
5. 06:56 AM - Re: THIS IS REALLY WIERD (Gus Fraser)
6. 07:07 AM - Re: yak-52 flight instruments (Terry Calloway)
7. 07:33 AM - Re: yak-52 flight instruments (Ernie)
8. 08:00 AM - Really weird (Barry Hancock)
9. 08:00 AM - Training at MTW (Ernie)
10. 08:20 AM - Training at MTW and other YPA events needs your HELP!! (Mark Schrick)
11. 08:24 AM - Re: Mag timing (A. Dennis Savarese)
12. 08:31 AM - Jon Aldrich (Doug)
13. 09:05 AM - I will complete the list of Yak-52 spares we have soon (A K)
14. 10:46 AM - Re: yak-52 flight instruments (FOUGAPILOT@aol.com)
15. 11:05 AM - Re: yak-52 flight instruments (Ernie)
16. 11:49 AM - Training at MTW (MFilucci@aol.com)
17. 11:49 AM - Training at MTW and other YPA events needs your HELP!! (MFilucci@aol.com)
18. 12:56 PM - Re: Paint Cost? (Jim Ivey)
19. 01:00 PM - Re: Paint Cost? (Jim Ivey)
20. 01:08 PM - OSH/MTW bound (FOUGAPILOT@aol.com)
21. 02:27 PM - recover emails (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
22. 06:58 PM - Re: yak-52 flight instruments (cjpilot710@aol.com)
23. 07:19 PM - thanks for all of the help (JGibson912@aol.com)
24. 07:20 PM - Re: spins (Jerry Painter)
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| Subject: | Re: THIS IS REALLY WIERD |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> 3 There is no evidence of surging when field elevations are greater than
> about 1200 Ft.
>
> Anyone want to venture a guess as to what's going on here?
I would start looking for vapor in the fuel system somewhere. Is fuel
pressure normal at the input to the carburator.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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| Subject: | Re: THIS IS REALLY WIERD |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Possibly your primer is leaking or a carburator problem causing an over rich
mixture. The head wind may be forceing air into the air intake and is enough
to overcome the over rich condition. A surging engine is a typical symptom
where you forget to lock your primer and run at low RPM.
Just a guess.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: THIS IS REALLY WIERD
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Yaksters;
>
> THIS IS REALLY WEIRD! Today, I went to the Santa Paula Airport (elev
> 300Ft) for their "First Sunday of every the Month" Event. About six
> hours later we decided to leave for home. Anyway, to make a long story
> short, my engine started "surging" again and didn't want to keep running
> below 50% RPM. The problem persisted even after the engine was warmed
> up. There was a direct tailwind of maybe 20Knts as I warmed up and
> taxied to the run-up area. The problem went away when I turned to face
> into the wind...... it idled normally with no surging!.
>
> To make the story even more weird, when I got back to my home airport
> (CAL CITY elev 2450), I had no problems at all even when I again taxied
> with a strong tailwind. In summary, here are the symptoms.....
>
> 1 The engine surges when faced with a strong tailwind.
>
> 2 It only happens at airports with elevations near sea level. (Same
> thing happened at Montgomery field (elev about 300Ft) but there was no
> tailwind.
>
> 3 There is no evidence of surging when field elevations are greater than
> about 1200 Ft.
>
> Anyone want to venture a guess as to what's going on here?
>
> Thanks in advance...
> Frank
> N9110M
> California City, California.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: THIS IS REALLY WIERD |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Frank,
I've experience this a number of time also. Wind does have an effect on
these big bladed props. I wouldn't call it surging so much, but the next time
note how the surging might accrue with the wind gusts. I would describe more
like "roughness." I did not notice this with the thin blade props when I had the
HS6 in the airplane.
Jim Goolsby
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Just interested to know what methods you all use for mag timing ?
M14P.
Gus
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| Subject: | THIS IS REALLY WIERD |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
You may want to check the state of tour automatic mixture diaphragm. If it
is leaking then you will loose mixture as altitude increases. Of course this
only applies if you have a 52 or a CJ with M14P fitted.
Gus
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: THIS IS REALLY WIERD
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Frank,
I've experience this a number of time also. Wind does have an effect on
these big bladed props. I wouldn't call it surging so much, but the next
time
note how the surging might accrue with the wind gusts. I would describe
more
like "roughness." I did not notice this with the thin blade props when I
had the
HS6 in the airplane.
Jim Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: yak-52 flight instruments |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
Welcome. Try and make the YPA Manitowoc FAST Clinic and attend Oshkosh with us
if you can too.
re: www.yakpilots.org
tc
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| Subject: | Re: yak-52 flight instruments |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Does anyone know if there is commercial air service into or near MTW? I was
going to fly commercial into Appleton, but I'm not having much luck with
rooms. I'm considering MTW.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: yak-52 flight instruments
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway"
<TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
>
> Welcome. Try and make the YPA Manitowoc FAST Clinic and attend Oshkosh
with us if you can too.
> re: www.yakpilots.org
> tc
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> Anyone want to venture a guess as to what's going on here?
You're plane get's home sick?
Barry
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I was contemplating taking time off and just flying up to MTW in my CJ in order
to finish getting my FAST card. I just read the schedule on the YPA website and
it seems that the focus will be on practice sessions for already FAST rated
pilots who will be flying in the show, with less emphasis on training for non
card holders.
During S&F there seemed to be a lack of qualified back seaters to accomodate all
the new guys, and then the SE clinic turned into an instructers clinic. If
MTW is not going to emphasize training for non card holders, then when are we
supposed to get our wings?
I could have had my card long ago using local NATA guys who I regularly fly with,
but I've been telling them that I need to fly to YPA standards with YPA pilots
and planes.
Ernie
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| Subject: | Training at MTW and other YPA events needs your HELP!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
YPA FAST Management team,
Erine is bring up a good point.
The TRARON (CAF) group this year did something different that I believed
worked well and could easily be adapted to the YPA program. It was a buddy
program where a back seat instructor is assigned to a new student and helps
them get scheduled, fills out flight reports (like at ALL REDSTAR) and keep
the new student motivated, on schedule, focused and progressing towards
their goal of becoming a WINGMAN.
TRARON (CAF training wing) had 26 students this year with 9 getting patched
in several days of flying. Most students averaged 5 sorties a day. Some
students that didn't get patched are going through local YPA lead groups and
working towards their WINGMAN patch as we speak.
Something to think about but it is up to all of us to help the new students
meet their goal. The buddy program may help.
Only a suggestion but one we should look into.
Mark (SHREK) Schrick
YAK Driver, Inc
Western USA Dealer for AEROSTAR (Yak 52TW/W)
San Jose, CA 95120
(408) 323-5150 phone/fax
(408) 391-6664 cell
www.yakdriver.com
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernie
Subject: Yak-List: Training at MTW
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I was contemplating taking time off and just flying up to MTW in my CJ in
order to finish getting my FAST card. I just read the schedule on the YPA
website and it seems that the focus will be on practice sessions for already
FAST rated pilots who will be flying in the show, with less emphasis on
training for non card holders.
During S&F there seemed to be a lack of qualified back seaters to accomodate
all the new guys, and then the SE clinic turned into an instructers clinic.
If MTW is not going to emphasize training for non card holders, then when
are we supposed to get our wings?
I could have had my card long ago using local NATA guys who I regularly fly
with, but I've been telling them that I need to fly to YPA standards with
YPA pilots and planes.
Ernie
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
We use an Magneto Synchronizer (p/n LED52) purchased from Aircraft Tool
Supply.
http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=LED52&ReturnPage=search_result.asp?PageNo=1
Create a stationary pointer with a paper clip or safety wire that will point
to the timing marks on the prop flange.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Mag timing
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
>
> Just interested to know what methods you all use for mag timing ?
>
> M14P.
>
> Gus
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Jon W. Aldrich
Oct. 31, 1935 -- June 17, 2003
Jon William Aldrich, 67, of Groveland died June 17 at Doctors Medical Center, Modesto,from
injuries suffered in an auto accident.
Mr. Aldrich was a native of Fullerton and lived in Groveland 24 years. He was self-employed
in aviation 30 years and owned Jon Aldrich Aviation Antiques, one
of the most active air memorabilia businesses in the United States. He started
in the early 1970s in Southern California selling antique propellers, flight
helmets, goggles, leather jackets and other items.
He moved his family and business to Pine Mountain Lake Airport, where his business
was a few steps from his house and hangar containing a 1947 Bonanza and 1933
Waco UIC biplane. Over the years he bought and sold items such as a pair of
gloves worn by Charles Lindbergh while he was an air mail pilot; a still-crated
spare propeller for Douglas World Cruisers; and a medal awarded to Wiley Post
in 1933. He collected and sold these antiques to aircraft historians, owners,
museums and people who just wanted to have a piece of aviation history.
He first soloed in 1961, logging over 5,100 hours in such aircraft as a Curtis
Jenny, PA-12, Baby Ace, Funk, Navion, Breezy, Bonanza and his beloved Wacos. He
ran a business giving biplane rides in his Waco UPF-7 and in hot air balloons.
He was currently at work on a 1931 Waco F-2 project.
He was a lifetime member of the Experimental Airplane Association and the Airplane
Owners and Pilots Association; held commercial pilot ratings of single-engine
land and sea, multi-engine land and free balloons. He also served for many
years as a member of the Airport Land Use Committee and Tuolumne County Air Sheriff
Volunteer Squadron, and as an FAA-appointed Air Safety Counselor.
He is survived by his wife, Patricia Aldrich of Groveland; son, Curtiss Ried Aldrich
of Jamestown; brother, James Aldrich of Soulsbyville; and one grandchild.
No services. Heuton Memorial Chapel, Sonora, in charge of arrangements.
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| Subject: | I will complete the list of Yak-52 spares we have soon |
--> Yak-List message posted by: A K <www555ru@yahoo.com>
Dear Sirs,
sorry I was out of Internet for a while, could not
answer your questions about spare parts available.
In a few days I will complete the list of Yak-52
spares we have.
will let you know when it is ready.
Best Regards and blue sky!
Alexandr
PS whithin few days you can call me this my friend's
number:
+373 33 888 34
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: yak-52 flight instruments |
--> Yak-List message posted by: FOUGAPILOT@aol.com
To the best of my knowledge, there is no commercial service in MTW. Appleton
is most likely the nearest. I believe it is only 1hr drive away. Cars in
Appleton are difficult to reserve, but there always were some available when I
rented in the past.
I think your idea of taking the CJ is better.
Cheers.
Dan Fortin
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| Subject: | Re: yak-52 flight instruments |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Thanks Dan,
The hotel is the real biggie at the moment. I'd love to fly the CJ up, but I
would realistically need about 10 days off in order to be able to allow for
weather.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: <FOUGAPILOT@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: yak-52 flight instruments
> --> Yak-List message posted by: FOUGAPILOT@aol.com
>
> To the best of my knowledge, there is no commercial service in MTW.
Appleton
> is most likely the nearest. I believe it is only 1hr drive away. Cars in
> Appleton are difficult to reserve, but there always were some available
when I
> rented in the past.
>
> I think your idea of taking the CJ is better.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Dan Fortin
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
In a message dated 7/7/03 8:01:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
ernest.martinez@oracle.com writes:
> I was contemplating taking time off and just flying up to MTW in my CJ in
> order to finish getting my FAST card. I just read the schedule on the YPA
> website and it seems that the focus will be on practice sessions for already
FAST
> rated pilots who will be flying in the show, with less emphasis on training
> for non card holders.
>
> During S&F there seemed to be a lack of qualified back seaters to accomodate
> all the new guys, and then the SE clinic turned into an instructers clinic.
> If MTW is not going to emphasize training for non card holders, then when
> are we supposed to get our wings?
>
> I could have had my card long ago using local NATA guys who I regularly fly
> with, but I've been telling them that I need to fly to YPA standards with YPA
> pilots and planes.
>
> Ernie
>
Ernie,
While we do have a strong commitment to the OSH warbird airshow this year, it
looks to me like we will have a good opportunity to get training done there.
Yes, we did have a shortage of instructors at S&F this year. At OLU we had a
surplus of instructors; at Red Star we had a reasonable balance. As we continue
to train more pilots the situation will continue to improve.
There is no "YPA standard" per se, there is a FAST standard with specifics
relevant to our aircraft addressed in our manual, ground school, and flight
training. There is no reason why you shouldn't be able to get training with the
NATA instructors in your area. The FAST program specifically recognizes the
reciprocity between the signatories with regard to training and checkrides. I have
trained and given checkrides to pilots from other signatory organizations
(T-34 Assn. & NATA) and have not seen any significant differences in the way we
all operate.
Regards,
Mike
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| Subject: | Training at MTW and other YPA events needs your HELP!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
In a message dated 7/7/03 8:21:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
schrick@pacbell.net writes:
> The TRARON (CAF) group this year did something different that I believed
> worked well and could easily be adapted to the YPA program. It was a buddy
> program where a back seat instructor is assigned to a new student and helps
> them get scheduled, fills out flight reports (like at ALL REDSTAR) and keep
> the new student motivated, on schedule, focused and progressing towards
> their goal of becoming a WINGMAN.
>
> TRARON (CAF training wing) had 26 students this year with 9 getting patched
> in several days of flying. Most students averaged 5 sorties a day. Some
> students that didn't get patched are going through local YPA lead groups and
> working towards their WINGMAN patch as we speak.
>
Mark,
The buddy approach sounds like an interesting method, we'll give it a try at
MTW this year. The 5 sorties a day is a little questionable, depending on the
student. Most students I have flown with, especially those who are brand new
to form flying, tend to peak out at three training sorties a day. The training
tends to become counterproductive after that.
One of the big advantages of the organizations that have been around for many
years (NATA, T-34, CAF, etc.) is that they have a large contingent of
instructors to draw from. Of course, they also have a much larger membership--NATA
has over 1000 members verses our 300.
Thanks for the suggestion, I think it could be very productive. I'll let you
know how it works out.
Mike
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
Phil:
What a coincidence. My A&P just got a call from an established paint
shop called Kenedy Aircraft Painting in Kenedy, Texas. They were
looking for referrals because things have got a little slow. They have
done work for Frank Borman amongst others. There is another one in Big
Spring, Texas called A&A Aircraft Refinishers. I also know of a large
paint shop in Uvalde, Texas called Jim Miller's. It does everything up
to Gulfstreams and warbirds and seems to do great work. Ranger Aviation
in San Angelo seems like a fine shop when I've passed through for fuel.
See attached url for more paint shops closer to Houston:
http://www.aircraftpaintschemes.com/paint_shop_locator_state_list.asp?ShopState=Texas
Jim Ivey
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
If you decide to try Kenedy I may be able to get you an FBO price
because they have solicited here for work and things are thin. If you
cold call you may get full-price quote. Just let me know. The FBO
price thing may or may not apply but I won't know until I ask.
Jim Ivey
http://www.stetsonaviation.com/paint.htm
Jim Ivey wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
>
>Phil:
>
>What a coincidence. My A&P just got a call from an established paint
>shop called Kenedy Aircraft Painting in Kenedy, Texas. They were
>looking for referrals because things have got a little slow. They have
>done work for Frank Borman amongst others. There is another one in Big
>Spring, Texas called A&A Aircraft Refinishers. I also know of a large
>paint shop in Uvalde, Texas called Jim Miller's. It does everything up
>to Gulfstreams and warbirds and seems to do great work. Ranger Aviation
>in San Angelo seems like a fine shop when I've passed through for fuel.
> See attached url for more paint shops closer to Houston:
>
>http://www.aircraftpaintschemes.com/paint_shop_locator_state_list.asp?ShopState=Texas
>
>Jim Ivey
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: FOUGAPILOT@aol.com
Greetings Yakers.
Again this year, I am OSH/MTW bound. I am planning to arrive in MTW on
Sunday the 27th and have a room at the Super 8. We (there are 2 of us) are looking
for someone who would be willing to share a rental car until Friday since we
are spending the weekend in OSH.
Let me know.
Dan "Built-in Designated Driver" Fortin
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark@yakuk.com>
Mostly people do not know that there is a very easy way to back up emails in OUTLOOK EXPRESS, just down load the programme found at www.yakuk.com/links.htm this is the only way I know of saving all emails. (that's why I provide the link)One way if using win 98 is to copy the applications file under windows, just copy it to another file, then when you need to restore, just rename the existing file and past the original in its place. But.... this does not work in XP I believe.
Use the above mentioned programme it helped me greatly when moving data from one
pc to another via external hard drive.
just a helpful thought passed on I hope.
cheers.
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Today my computer was struggling with a email from the yak list (photo share),
and in the ensuing series of cussing and lame attempts on my part to "help" it
get past the problem it seems that my inbox file was corrupted and is no longer
retrievable.
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| Subject: | Re: yak-52 flight instruments |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
airline into Appleton, than rent a car and drive to MTW (about :45).
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--> Yak-List message posted by: JGibson912@aol.com
i would like to thank everyone for the warm reception and help in finding
some flight instruction to go with my new yak thanks, john gibson
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
The context of Bud's comments to me were in the "don't do something
risky of you don't have to" category. Specifically, we were talking
about spinning -52's. Yes, Bud's name is Neal, so it could very well be
the same person. I'm sure many people on this list know Bud (Bud--are
you there?). Maybe he can speak for himself--his comments, especially
about Yaks--would no doubt be instructive.
Lots of good pilots have been killed doing spins, in "spinnable"
airplanes. See Gene Beggs et al. I'm not advocating spin abstinence,
and I completely agree with you, Rick. Get instruction, be careful,
don't be stupid about risks.
Jerry Painter
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