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1. 05:56 AM - Re: Wings (again) (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 06:44 AM - Decals (Barry Hancock)
3. 07:50 AM - Re: CJ Tiedowns (Yakjock)
4. 07:35 PM - Re: Vortice Generators (VGs) (Ron)
5. 07:59 PM - YAK-18T (Frank Haertlein)
6. 08:26 PM - Carb Cleaning / Adjustment (Frank Haertlein)
7. 08:47 PM - spins (cjpilot710@aol.com)
8. 10:53 PM - Re: Carb Cleaning / Adjustment (Lee Taylor)
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| Subject: | Re: Wings (again) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Rick,
I just sent you a personal email because I included some photos/drawings of
what to look for on the lower side of your wings to determine if SB 59, 60
and 107 have been complied with.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Swanson" <rswanson@hometownnrh.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Wings (again)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Rick Swanson" <rswanson@hometownnrh.net>
>
> Once again I must ask for the assistance of the gurus of the yak
community. I was going over my paperwork from the original purchase of my
52 and noticed that the date of manufacture for the fuselage is 1984 while
the D. O. M. for the wings is 1993. What if anything are the implications
of this and is this a 7 or 5 G wing? I was told this is a light wing but I
was under the impression that anything after 1989 had the beefed up wing
incorporated from the factory. Any insight would be appreciated.
>
> Rick Swanson
> 7078Y
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> So, my question to
> the group is are there any decals to be purchased. I took alot of
> photos and
> probably go with that, but would rather have either paint decals or self
> adhesive.
Hi Mark,
I have an excellent guy for any graphics work. Carl at Burbank
Sign....he's currently working on "Glacier Girl" (yes, the P-38 found
under 200 feet of ice) in Kentucky but contact me off list and I'll get
you his contact info. He's reasonable, his work is outstanding, and
it's done when he says it's gonna be done (imagine that!).
>
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
Blitz,
Carry tie down lines for MTW. We'll be on hard pavement with tie downs provided,
but it's good to have your own.
I've used the auger type at OSH, (don't like the word associated with my flying
or ground ops) and found them to be ok but a bit of a pain. I bought a new set
of ground anchors from Flyties in Aptos, CA (831-688-6951). Expensive at $130
or so, but I liked his idea and felt it was justified. Three stainless pins
go through a hard rubber anchor at 120 degree intervals for each of three anchors.
Supposedly good for 1,500 pounds. Goes in and comes out easily.
The good thing about the auger type is that a beer tastes really good after trying
to get one in!
Batman
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| Subject: | Re: Vortice Generators (VGs) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Is Bud up for FAA instructor of the year? There's a hotshot aerobatic
instructor at Chandler Air Service that I've heard say spins are dangerous
and should never be performed. He's been Instructor of the Year three
times.
Footnote: The FAA's official position is that spins should never be done,
except one turn each way by a CFI to demonstrate them to a CFI student for
his mandatory spin training. This will "qualify" the CFI applicant to
demonstrate spins to his CFI student in two years. Does this scare you? It
should.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Basiliere" <discrab@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Vortice Generators (VGs)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Rick Basiliere" <discrab@earthlink.net>
>
> Folks; It would seem that someone is being misinformed on this Bud
Granley
> thing. I have in my hand as I write this documentation from my first
> Yak-52. It is a copy from the "aircraft journey log / Carnet De route
> D'aeronef" for the Yak-52 sn#9311614 NX52CG. "N.S.Granley" sig, Neal I
> think, started flying it 12/12/93. Between the dates 29 Mar & 4/7/95
there
> were 6 flights (4 of them with 2 on board so there is a witness somewhere)
> signed by N.S. Granley, (maybe it's not the same guy? I was told this is
Bud
> by Ron Kelly from whom I purchased the a/c). In this person's handwriting
> "Phase 1 Flt chks for airworthiness-checked Vne 420 kph-stalls-rolls
> loops-snaps-SPINS (emphasis added by me) Lomcevek-engine setting".(sic)
As
> Joe Friday would say those are just the facts.
>
> I flew the airplane, I think, 300 hrs from Basic to Intermediate and
> obviously spun the crap out of her. I was given dual by both Azat
Zaydullin
> and Vladimer Radomsky, at least 50 hours and since all the tumbles taught
> me, Lomkcevak, Adel Weiss, Abracadabra, all culminate in a flat inverted
> accelerated spin, yes, we spun 'er. I also gave dual, me 220-230# in the
> rear with 140-170#ers in the front, all possible spins, upright-inverted,
> normal and accelerated with up to 5 turns, oh yes, crossover-spins for my
> IAC patch. I LOVE the Yak-52, what an honest airplane, I'll own one
again.
>
> Please don't fear spins, learn about them get good quality dual, your
> confidence will increase. By all means - if you don't like them don't get
> pressured into doing them. They are safe - but too many good pilots have
> lost their lives doing them.
>
> Maybe Bud's statement was taken out of context. I was told when I first
got
> my low altitude waiver from ICAS ACE Ed Bowes, super duper guy BTW,
> NEVER-NEVER use a spin "in your Airshow routine". Maybe that was it.
Also,
> it is mandatory by ICAS to demonstrate a 3 turn upright spin in order to
> receive your low altitude waiver for Air Shows from ICAS. I do believe
Bud
> does Air Shows (I also hear quite well). He had to spin something at some
> time.
>
> Respectfully, Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Vortice Generators (VGs)
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Yaksters:
> Someone, not too long ago, set a world record for the number of spins. I
> think it was in Sweden or Switzerland and it was something like 300
> spins before he pulled out. Why do I bring this up? Well.......I'm
> willing to bet that if you aft loaded that airplane it would become
> unrecoverable in a spin.
>
> I'm sure we can all agree that if you aft load a CJ6, a 52, a Cessna 152
> or even a 172 that they would all become unrecoverable. I'm also sure we
> can agree that, within proper weight & balance, they are all
> recoverable.
>
> Which brings me to the same question that Dennis asked......"I'm curious
> as to why an expert such as Bud would say " he never spins ANY
> airplane"?
>
> It just don't make no sense.........maybe Bud just doesn't like to do
> spins?
>
> Frank
> N9110M
>
> PS... Or is the post about Bud "trolling"? ;)
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Allright............
Which one of you low life, no good for nuthin', cheese eatin' surrender
monkeys want to buy a YAK-18T?
Well, if you're interested, here's the link
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/yak18t/
Regards
Frank
N9110M
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| Subject: | Carb Cleaning / Adjustment |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
OK
So you've all heard of my surging engine problem at the lower altitudes.
Seems the general consensus is that it's a carb problem. I'm inclined to
agree with that since the carb hasn't been touched and, other than the
time I've flown it, the plane has been sitting for the last 7 years.
Before tearing into the carb for a rebuild, I'm wondering if a carb
cleaner in the gas might be of some use? Are there any aviation related
fuel system cleaning products out there worth a try?
Thanks in advance and thanks for all the responses on this subject (yea!
You too Barry! :)
Frank
N9110M
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
To spin or not to spin. That is the question. More likely this generation
of pilots and FAA are turning into wimps? Though out the history of aviation
aircraft have spun. It is a natural aerodynamic phenomium. Numerous factors
determine how well or badly a particular design spins. C/G, airfoil, fuselage,
rudder/elevator placement and mass distribution are just a few. Some
airplanes spin readily and are quite safe to do so. Cubs and Champ were and are
perfectly safe spinners. Yaks are good spinners. To good for the UNTRAINED.
Good acrobatic aircraft should have very pronounced spin modes. If you are going
to push such aircraft to the lengths of their envelops, spins are a natural
consequence. Snap rolls are merely spins entered from accelerated stalls i.e.
a snap roll in a vertical climb is merely a spin upward. The aerodynamics are
the same.
Some aircraft are poor spinners. Either they can't or are very difficult to
make spin. Or they become "stable" in the spin mode and are difficult or
cannot be covered. Watching the spin test of the F-4 and F-14 bring to mind such
machines but there are a number of others.
The bottom line is that you should be familiar with the full aspect of the
airplane you flys envelope. IF it spins you should be at least familiar with
what it does, how to recover and than fly the airplane so as to avoid them.
That "a pro" says that he "would not ever spin an aircraft" may have been
taken out of continence from what he really meant. Some aircraft should never
been spun at low altitudes on a down line, i.e., they use to much altitude.
Those pros who do low altitude acrobatics must be VERY familiar with the stall
spin character of their machines.
When I was taught to fly, spins were a normal training maneuver though out
the flying curriculum. That it has been regulated to just instructor students,
is to me a dumb-ing down of the flying community. A million years ago, as a
17 year old private pilot, I enter an inadvertent spin, in avoiding a midair
collision at 800 feet in the traffic pattern. The training I had turned the
experience into just that and not a statistic.
Jim Goolsby
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| Subject: | Carb Cleaning / Adjustment |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
Re: Surging engine
Before tearing into the carb for a rebuild, I'm wondering if a carb
cleaner in the gas might be of some use? Are there any aviation related
fuel system cleaning products out there worth a try?
Frank, yesterday I was having a rather extensive conversation
with Joe Folchert, who has developed a tremendous reputation in engine
rebuilding, and after talking to him about his experience, I believe to
be one of the most highly experienced engine people I have ever known.
(Rebuilt his first engine at age TEN!)
He is a firm advocate of using Marvel Mystery Oil occasionally
in both the fuel, and the engine oil, a habit that I also advocate. The
consensus of all "us old fogies" is that the Marvel does a great job of
loosening up and dissipating a lot of the varnish and sludge that can
build up in fuel systems and crankcases. You might try that, (Joe's
comment was to use it the same as a two-cycle oil, mix it about 40-1
with your gas), it certainly can't do any harm.
In the oil, what I usually do is add a quart of Marvel to the
oil about an hour before the oil is due to be drained. Since doing
this, (many years now), I haven't had any problems with sticking
lifters. Did have before.
Lee Taylor
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