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1. 07:44 AM - Re: Electrical Problem Help (Brian Lloyd)
2. 08:04 AM - Re: Electrical Problem Help (KingCJ6@aol.com)
3. 08:21 AM - Re: Electrical Problem Help (Ernie)
4. 08:49 AM - Re: Baby Boy!!! (Barry Hancock)
5. 08:51 AM - CAF HE-111 Lost...Off Topic (David Stroud)
6. 10:30 AM - Re: Electrical Problem Help (Brian Lloyd)
7. 10:44 AM - Wing Modifications (Richard Goode)
8. 11:14 AM - Re: Electrical Problem Help (A. Dennis Savarese)
9. 11:16 AM - Re: Electrical Problem Help (Ernie)
10. 11:24 AM - Re: Electrical Problem Help (A. Dennis Savarese)
11. 11:25 AM - Re: Electrical Problem Help (A. Dennis Savarese)
12. 11:37 AM - Re: Electrical Problem Help (Brian Lloyd)
13. 12:19 PM - Yak fatigue life (Rob Rowe)
14. 12:26 PM - Re: Electrical Problem Help (Ernie)
15. 03:28 PM - Break-in Procedure for 285 hp Housai (Dave Strawn)
16. 03:45 PM - Re: Break-in Procedure for 285 hp Housai (Ernie)
17. 03:55 PM - Fw: google error (Duncan)
18. 06:29 PM - Re: Fw: google error (Ernie)
19. 06:51 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 07/10/03 (Skipsly@aol.com)
20. 07:55 PM - Re: Fw: google error (eyeballs)
21. 08:00 PM - Re: Fw: google error (Cy Galley)
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Problem Help |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
KingCJ6@aol.com wrote:
> function properly. Only when I turn the AH gyro switch on (with the engine
> off), does the problem repeat. This also happens when I activate the rear gyro
> switch independently.
>
> The battery is charged, connections to the battery itself cleaned, and
> generator functioning within proper range.
>
> Any ideas/help would be greatly appreciated.
The inverters for the gyros suck a lot of power. I suspect your battery just isn't
carrying the load. Put a voltmeter across the battery terminals and turn
on the gyro. I would not be surprised if you saw a significant dip in voltage.
You probably need a new battery. If your battery is more than two years old
you almost definitely need a new battery. Given that this is an all-electric
cockpit, the battery is pretty important.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Problem Help |
--> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
I seem to remember a string on gel cell batteries in the past. Any pro/cons?
Dave
In a message dated 7/11/2003 7:44:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
brian@lloyd.com writes:
> You probably need a new battery. If your battery is more than two years
> old you almost definitely need a new battery. Given that this is an
> all-electric cockpit, the battery is pretty important.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Problem Help |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Pros'
They dont leak, they're lighter, maintenance free and deep cycle.
Cons
Very sensitive to charging voltage, can be easily damaged if voltage rises
above 13.6V in a 12 V battery (not sure of 24V)
Expensive
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: <KingCJ6@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Electrical Problem Help
> --> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
>
> I seem to remember a string on gel cell batteries in the past. Any
pro/cons?
>
> Dave
>
> In a message dated 7/11/2003 7:44:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> brian@lloyd.com writes:
>
>
> > You probably need a new battery. If your battery is more than two years
> > old you almost definitely need a new battery. Given that this is an
> > all-electric cockpit, the battery is pretty important.
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
> Today at 8:41 am, Albert R. "Randy" DeVere III arrived weighing in a
> 9.5 lbs 21.5 inches long. Mother and Baby doing well. Father has
> been questionable for 30+ years.
>
> Regards,
>
> Al DeVere
Awesome! That's a big baby, wonder where he got that from? :)
It's been 6 months and two weeks since Caden came into our world. It's
been the best time of my life, and it goes waaaaaay too fast. Take lots
of pictures/video and enjoy *every* moment because once it's gone you
can't get it back.
BTW, Walt's a great baby-sitter.... :)
Congrats!
Barry
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | CAF HE-111 Lost...Off Topic |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Pardon the off-topic post but this may be of interest to some
I've had the privilige of being through this plane and a buddy of mine
flew in it. A true loss indeed and condolences to the family and friends of
these fine aviators.
Dave Stroud
L 16 B replica (Christavia)
C-FDWS Ottawa, Canada
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Denest" <mjd12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: [fairchildclub] CAF HE-111
> The CAF HE-111 was lost in a crash yesterday. This is
> unrelated to the club but a tragic loss nonetheless.
>
> http://www.wyomingnews.com/topstories.asp
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Problem Help |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
KingCJ6@aol.com wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
>
> I seem to remember a string on gel cell batteries in the past. Any pro/cons?
This is something that is near and dear to my heart as I have been dealing with
various battery types on the boat. There is usually some confusion on the type
of battery as there are two types of sealed battery: AGM and gel. Of the two,
AGM is pretty much a drop-in replacement for the standard flooded cell battery.
It has lower internal resistance so it charges more quickly and the voltage
stays higher as it discharges. Other than that, it is pretty much like flooded
cell batteries and can use the same voltage regulator settings. The only
caveat is that, for long term charging you need to turn the charge voltage
way down to keep from overcharging. This is less of an issue for flooded cell
batteries because you can just add water to them if you overcharge them.
Gel-cells are better for deep-cycle applications but you need a really good multi-stage
charging system. First off, a 28V gell-cell needs to charge at not more
than 28.4 V and then needs to switch down to 27.2V for float charge if you
are going charge it all day (these numbers based on a temperature of 20C and
need to be adjusted for temperature). You can probably set your regulator to
about 27.8V in something like a CJ6A or Yak-52 where your hops tend to be around
an hour.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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| Subject: | Wing Modifications |
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
To the Yak-List/Rick Swanson
Wing Modifications
In reply to Rick Swanson's query, the following might be of interest:
a.. There are today 114 Service Bulletins (ADs) on the Yak-52. The majority are
trivial, but some are important. The three significant structural ones for
wings are:
a.. 59-R reinforcement of the wing mounting and a spar strengthening plate.=20
b.. 60-R reinforcement of the fuselage centre section.
c.. 107-BD external (bottom) spar-strap.
a.. 59 and 60 go as a pair, and were embodied at the factory from 1986.
b.. 107 was embodied from 1991, although some 1991 aircraft did not have it incorporated.
c.. 59 and 60 are a major modification, particularly because of the importance
of accurate positioning, and therefore are typically done only with factory
jigs.
d.. 107 is somewhat easier.
e.. It is a misnomer to call the wings "heavy" or "light" - the difference is
purely in the wing mounting and strengthening plates, and does not affect the
spar itself.
f.. In terms of the strength and flying loads, the following is the Yakovlev
position:
a.. Aircraft without 59 and 60 are limited to +5G/-3G, and should not be flown
aerobatically.
b.. Aircraft with 59 and 60 but without 107 are limited to +7G/-5G, but are
not cleared for "unlimited aerobatics" (but what this means is not specified).
c.. Aircraft with 59, 60 and 107 are approved for +7G/-5G, and are cleared
for "unlimited aerobatics."
a.. In Rick's case, a 1993 wing will have 59 incorporated, and therefore his
1984 fuselage will have had to have been modified to incorporate 60 in order for
the wing to fit on the aircraft.
I hope this helps.
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Newport House
Almeley
Herefordshire
HR3 6LL
United Kingdom
Tel: 44 (0) 1544 322200
Mob: 44 (0) 7768 610389
Fax: 44 (0) 1544 322208
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Problem Help |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Brian,
You are truly a wealth of information! VERY impressive.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Electrical Problem Help
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> KingCJ6@aol.com wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
> >
> > I seem to remember a string on gel cell batteries in the past. Any
pro/cons?
>
> This is something that is near and dear to my heart as I have been dealing
with various battery types on the boat. There is usually some confusion on
the type of battery as there are two types of sealed battery: AGM and gel.
Of the two, AGM is pretty much a drop-in replacement for the standard
flooded cell battery. It has lower internal resistance so it charges more
quickly and the voltage stays higher as it discharges. Other than that, it
is pretty much like flooded cell batteries and can use the same voltage
regulator settings. The only caveat is that, for long term charging you
need to turn the charge voltage way down to keep from overcharging. This is
less of an issue for flooded cell batteries because you can just add water
to them if you overcharge them.
>
> Gel-cells are better for deep-cycle applications but you need a really
good multi-stage charging system. First off, a 28V gell-cell needs to
charge at not more than 28.4 V and then needs to switch down to 27.2V for
float charge if you are going charge it all day (these numbers based on a
temperature of 20C and need to be adjusted for temperature). You can
probably set your regulator to about 27.8V in something like a CJ6A or
Yak-52 where your hops tend to be around an hour.
>
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> GMT-4
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Problem Help |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Where do you think I got my battery knowledge from :) 29' C&C, 50' GulfStar,
53' Hatteras (currently)
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Electrical Problem Help
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> KingCJ6@aol.com wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
> >
> > I seem to remember a string on gel cell batteries in the past. Any
pro/cons?
>
> This is something that is near and dear to my heart as I have been dealing
with various battery types on the boat. There is usually some confusion on
the type of battery as there are two types of sealed battery: AGM and gel.
Of the two, AGM is pretty much a drop-in replacement for the standard
flooded cell battery. It has lower internal resistance so it charges more
quickly and the voltage stays higher as it discharges. Other than that, it
is pretty much like flooded cell batteries and can use the same voltage
regulator settings. The only caveat is that, for long term charging you
need to turn the charge voltage way down to keep from overcharging. This is
less of an issue for flooded cell batteries because you can just add water
to them if you overcharge them.
>
> Gel-cells are better for deep-cycle applications but you need a really
good multi-stage charging system. First off, a 28V gell-cell needs to
charge at not more than 28.4 V and then needs to switch down to 27.2V for
float charge if you are going charge it all day (these numbers based on a
temperature of 20C and need to be adjusted for temperature). You can
probably set your regulator to about 27.8V in something like a CJ6A or
Yak-52 where your hops tend to be around an hour.
>
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> GMT-4
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Problem Help |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
'53 Hat? Absolutely my #1 favorite motor yacht...especially when you walk
down the spiral staircase on the starboard side, turn aft, walk a few steps
and open at those huge, heavy, sound proofed doors on either side that hide
the GM 8-71 diesels. Are they turbo charged or naturally aspirated?
Sweet, Ernie!
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Electrical Problem Help
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Where do you think I got my battery knowledge from :) 29' C&C, 50'
GulfStar,
> 53' Hatteras (currently)
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Electrical Problem Help
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
> >
> > KingCJ6@aol.com wrote:
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
> > >
> > > I seem to remember a string on gel cell batteries in the past. Any
> pro/cons?
> >
> > This is something that is near and dear to my heart as I have been
dealing
> with various battery types on the boat. There is usually some confusion
on
> the type of battery as there are two types of sealed battery: AGM and gel.
> Of the two, AGM is pretty much a drop-in replacement for the standard
> flooded cell battery. It has lower internal resistance so it charges more
> quickly and the voltage stays higher as it discharges. Other than that,
it
> is pretty much like flooded cell batteries and can use the same voltage
> regulator settings. The only caveat is that, for long term charging you
> need to turn the charge voltage way down to keep from overcharging. This
is
> less of an issue for flooded cell batteries because you can just add water
> to them if you overcharge them.
> >
> > Gel-cells are better for deep-cycle applications but you need a really
> good multi-stage charging system. First off, a 28V gell-cell needs to
> charge at not more than 28.4 V and then needs to switch down to 27.2V for
> float charge if you are going charge it all day (these numbers based on a
> temperature of 20C and need to be adjusted for temperature). You can
> probably set your regulator to about 27.8V in something like a CJ6A or
> Yak-52 where your hops tend to be around an hour.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> > GMT-4
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Problem Help |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
I should have said 8-71 TI's or N's.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Electrical Problem Help
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Where do you think I got my battery knowledge from :) 29' C&C, 50'
GulfStar,
> 53' Hatteras (currently)
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Electrical Problem Help
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
> >
> > KingCJ6@aol.com wrote:
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
> > >
> > > I seem to remember a string on gel cell batteries in the past. Any
> pro/cons?
> >
> > This is something that is near and dear to my heart as I have been
dealing
> with various battery types on the boat. There is usually some confusion
on
> the type of battery as there are two types of sealed battery: AGM and gel.
> Of the two, AGM is pretty much a drop-in replacement for the standard
> flooded cell battery. It has lower internal resistance so it charges more
> quickly and the voltage stays higher as it discharges. Other than that,
it
> is pretty much like flooded cell batteries and can use the same voltage
> regulator settings. The only caveat is that, for long term charging you
> need to turn the charge voltage way down to keep from overcharging. This
is
> less of an issue for flooded cell batteries because you can just add water
> to them if you overcharge them.
> >
> > Gel-cells are better for deep-cycle applications but you need a really
> good multi-stage charging system. First off, a 28V gell-cell needs to
> charge at not more than 28.4 V and then needs to switch down to 27.2V for
> float charge if you are going charge it all day (these numbers based on a
> temperature of 20C and need to be adjusted for temperature). You can
> probably set your regulator to about 27.8V in something like a CJ6A or
> Yak-52 where your hops tend to be around an hour.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> > GMT-4
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Problem Help |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> Brian,
> You are truly a wealth of information! VERY impressive.
Thank you. I have been living and breathing battery technology as I am still working
on the DC electrical system for the boat. When you pay $2000 for a set
of batteries you don't want to screw them up. I have multiple charging sources
and I need to make sure they all work together so as not to damage the battery.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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| Subject: | Yak fatigue life |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Rowe" <rarowe@ntlworld.com>
Came across an article by James McLellan from a copy of the Yak Driver
(1998) regarding how the Russians factored the fatigue life of Yak-52s ...
can anyone help me find out about the origins of this information and/or
more about how to apply it to a given aircraft??
Especially as to the absolute limits in terms of hours / faults etc ... as
you may surmise the innocence of this question belies my ignorance of the
topic ... so if anyone can offer a brief "101" on Yak fatigue lives I'd be
grateful!
Thanks, Rob
Yak-52 G-YAKX
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Problem Help |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
8-71 N's Slow but reliable. She's for sale :)
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Electrical Problem Help
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> '53 Hat? Absolutely my #1 favorite motor yacht...especially when you walk
> down the spiral staircase on the starboard side, turn aft, walk a few
steps
> and open at those huge, heavy, sound proofed doors on either side that
hide
> the GM 8-71 diesels. Are they turbo charged or naturally aspirated?
> Sweet, Ernie!
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Electrical Problem Help
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> >
> > Where do you think I got my battery knowledge from :) 29' C&C, 50'
> GulfStar,
> > 53' Hatteras (currently)
> >
> > Ernie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Electrical Problem Help
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
> > >
> > > KingCJ6@aol.com wrote:
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
> > > >
> > > > I seem to remember a string on gel cell batteries in the past. Any
> > pro/cons?
> > >
> > > This is something that is near and dear to my heart as I have been
> dealing
> > with various battery types on the boat. There is usually some confusion
> on
> > the type of battery as there are two types of sealed battery: AGM and
gel.
> > Of the two, AGM is pretty much a drop-in replacement for the standard
> > flooded cell battery. It has lower internal resistance so it charges
more
> > quickly and the voltage stays higher as it discharges. Other than that,
> it
> > is pretty much like flooded cell batteries and can use the same voltage
> > regulator settings. The only caveat is that, for long term charging you
> > need to turn the charge voltage way down to keep from overcharging.
This
> is
> > less of an issue for flooded cell batteries because you can just add
water
> > to them if you overcharge them.
> > >
> > > Gel-cells are better for deep-cycle applications but you need a really
> > good multi-stage charging system. First off, a 28V gell-cell needs to
> > charge at not more than 28.4 V and then needs to switch down to 27.2V
for
> > float charge if you are going charge it all day (these numbers based on
a
> > temperature of 20C and need to be adjusted for temperature). You can
> > probably set your regulator to about 27.8V in something like a CJ6A or
> > Yak-52 where your hops tend to be around an hour.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite
201
> > > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> > > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> > > GMT-4
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Break-in Procedure for 285 hp Housai |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dave Strawn" <dastrawn@mindspring.com>
CJers,
Need some advice on break-in procedures for first time overhauled Housai.
Thanks,
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Break-in Procedure for 285 hp Housai |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Do you have someone that overhauls the 285 here in the US????
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Strawn" <dastrawn@mindspring.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Break-in Procedure for 285 hp Housai
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Dave Strawn" <dastrawn@mindspring.com>
>
> CJers,
>
> Need some advice on break-in procedures for first time overhauled Housai.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Fw: google error |
Bcc:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
FW: google error
Russ
It's kind of funny - someone has a warped sense of humor.
- Go to: www.google.com
- In search field type: "Weapons of mass destruction" and press "I'm
feeling
lucky"
- Read the error page
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: google error |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I cant find the I'm feeling lucky message anymore.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Fw: google error
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
>
> FW: google error
> Russ
> It's kind of funny - someone has a warped sense of humor.
>
>
> - Go to: www.google.com
> - In search field type: "Weapons of mass destruction" and press "I'm
> feeling
> lucky"
> - Read the error page
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 07/10/03 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Skipsly@aol.com
In a message dated 07/11/2003 3:59:04 AM Atlantic Daylight Time,
yak-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
> Today at 8:41 am, Albert R. "Randy" DeVere III arrived weighing in a
> 9.5 lbs 21.5 inches long. Mother and Baby doing well. Father has
> been questionable for 30+ years.
>
Congrats, Bear!!
Sly
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: google error |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "eyeballs" <eyeballs@cox.net>
Or goto google.com and enter French Military Victories and hit 'I'm feeling
lucky'
The response is very funny.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Fw: google error
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
>
> FW: google error
> Russ
> It's kind of funny - someone has a warped sense of humor.
>
>
> - Go to: www.google.com
> - In search field type: "Weapons of mass destruction" and press "I'm
> feeling
> lucky"
> - Read the error page
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: google error |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Click of the links. They are even better.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Fw: google error
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
>
> FW: google error
> Russ
> It's kind of funny - someone has a warped sense of humor.
>
>
> - Go to: www.google.com
> - In search field type: "Weapons of mass destruction" and press "I'm
> feeling
> lucky"
> - Read the error page
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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