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1. 11:04 AM - Re: MMO (Was: Carb Cleaning / Adjustment) (Ron Davis)
2. 11:16 AM - Re: MMO (Was: Carb Cleaning / Adjustment) (Brian Lloyd)
3. 02:45 PM - Re: HIGHLY IMPORTANT (Lee Taylor)
4. 06:48 PM - Assistance in S. Florida (Brian Lloyd)
5. 07:51 PM - Re: Assistance in S. Florida (cjpilot710@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: MMO (Was: Carb Cleaning / Adjustment) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
I concur. I don't think it reduces friction. In a Lycoming constant speed
prop there is always a chunk of sludge in the crankshaft hub. Unless you
use MMO. In a gas car engine there is always sludge in the rocker covers,
unless you use MMO. As a gas treatment it disssolves the few things that
gasoline won't, commonly called varnish, in the carb. I always put MMO in
the gas of an engine that I plan to let set for a few months and I always
start with MMO when dealing with an engine that someone has let set for a
few months.
Another gas treatment (not for oil) is stoddard solvent. This is available
as "engine cleaning solvent" and also as Chevron "Techron" both at the pump
and as an additive. MSDS's are a wonderful tool for finding out what is in
a proprietary secret formula. Use about four ounces per 10 gal.
I believe that MMO will dissolve, rather than scrape of huge chunks, of the
sludge. On the other hand it can't hurt to put the first batch in a few
hours before your oil change and let it dissolve some sludge and then
discard it.
As I said earlier, and as Brian said, this is snake oil that works. I
believe most kinds don't.
>From: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Yak-List: MMO (Was: Carb Cleaning / Adjustment)
>Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:35:57 -0400
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
>William Halverson wrote:
>
>(Regarding Marvel Mystery Oil)
>
> > Does it reduce friction?
>
>I don't think so.
>
> > Is this stuff an engine treatment of some kind, or
> > Is it an oil treatment?
>
>I guess it depends on who you talk to. What it is is snake oil that just
>happens to have some useful characteristics. MMO in the oil seems to keep
>oil galleys cleaner and reduce the incidence of valve sticking in
>horizontally-opposed engines, most notably Lycomings. I think it acts as a
>general cleaning solvent in the oil.
>
>My guess is that it does many of the same things when used in the fuel
>system. I have been concerned it would reduce the detonation margin but
>that is probably not an issue in our round engines.
>
> > What does it do in a MICROLON'd engine?
>
>I don't know and I wouldn't want to find out. Microlon supposedly leaves
>intentional PTFE deposits in the engine and that just bothers me. I can
>see the MMO breaking loose a chunk of PTFE or just a chunk of sludge and
>plugging up one of the oil galleys leading to oil starvation of some
>bearing somewhere. Therefore I would avoid using it in really old engines
>or where someone has used Microlon or other PTFE treatment.
>
> > To get its best benefits, should I :
> > - put it into clean oil after an oil change, run it for [some specified]
> > hours, then change the oil again, or
>
>This is what I would do for an older engine. It may break loose the rings,
>especially if they are pushing a little oil, and keep the engine going a
>bit longer. I did this in one engine that needed a top and I was able to
>reduce oil consumption and increase the compression, probably by freeing a
>stuck ring. Your milage may vary.
>
> > - put it into the existing [now] dirty oil and run it to the next
>change, or
>
>This is what I plan to do to one of my diesel engines that is blowing blue
>smoke in an attempt to see if it is caused by ring sticking. I may even
>run some through the injectors to see if it will clean them up too.
>
> > - blend it into any oil I put in the engine on some defined ratio,
> > regardless of the hours since the last oil change, hence wise into the
> > foreseeable, but smoggy, future?
>
>I think that the prophylactic use of MMO in the oil from day one is
>probably the best course of action.
>
>And I have never used MMO in the fuel so I can't comment.
>
>--
>
>Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
>brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
>+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
>GMT-4
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MMO (Was: Carb Cleaning / Adjustment) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Ron Davis wrote:
> As a gas treatment it disssolves the few things that
> gasoline won't, commonly called varnish, in the carb. I always put MMO in
> the gas of an engine that I plan to let set for a few months and I always
> start with MMO when dealing with an engine that someone has let set for a
> few months.
Now there is an idea. I have been trying to think of what to put into the fuel
tank of an outboard motor that is going to get stored for awhile.
> Another gas treatment (not for oil) is stoddard solvent. This is available
> as "engine cleaning solvent" and also as Chevron "Techron" both at the pump
> and as an additive. MSDS's are a wonderful tool for finding out what is in
> a proprietary secret formula. Use about four ounces per 10 gal.
LOL! Techron is stoddard solvent? Who'd a guessed. Yeah, I guess it would be
fun to have access to a mass spec.
> I believe that MMO will dissolve, rather than scrape of huge chunks, of the
> sludge. On the other hand it can't hurt to put the first batch in a few
> hours before your oil change and let it dissolve some sludge and then
> discard it.
Let's hope so.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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| Subject: | HIGHLY IMPORTANT |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lee Taylor
Subject: Yak-List: HIGHLY IMPORTANT
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
Guys, we just had a major accident here in Denver, that every
single one of us needs to think about seriously, again, one especially
since we are constantly working around the props.
Chuck Clemen is the owner of a beautiful Fairchild Ranger, and
one of the most experienced, most cautious, most "fuddy-duddy" totally
professional adherents
to checklists that I have ever known. Every time I have ridden with
him, he ALWAYS goes thru a complete oral prior-to-takeoff briefing about
anticipated actions, especially when I was with him in his 310. Almost,
"Ah, C'MON, Chuck, lets just go FLYING!" I've never known him to screw
up a checklist.
Well, day before yesterday, he did. He neglected to do a
complete
shutdown checklist.
Pushed the plane back into the hangar, chocked it, (how many of
you guys chock a plane inside the hangar?), and, because the Fairchild
has a wood prop, walked around and moved the prop to horizontal, as
always.
The mag switch wasn't off, and guess what?
Chuck now has one very thoroughly broken right hand, several
bones that might require surgery, and a broken finger on the other hand.
He is very lucky to be alive. That prop could have just as easily split
his skull. He was moving the prop right and was out of its way, except
for his hands.
We are in the process now of producing an article about the
incident for publication in one of the magazines, and I just got back
the pictures of him in front of the plane with his heavily-bandaged
hands.
We all know the "proper procedures", we all know the dangers, we
all RELIGEOUSLY follow the correct techniques for working around and
moving our props, RIGHT? (Whoo, man, do I wish I could historically say
that, thinking back over the years).
God, guys, be sure we do. EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!!! Chuck's one of
the most totally careful, professional guys I know. He was careless
just once.
Lee Taylor
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| Subject: | Assistance in S. Florida |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Would any of you in S. Florida be willing to play host to my Aztec for a week or
two? Seems that Tropical Depression 6 has us boresighted. I may need to get
my airplane off the island by tomorrow or Monday in order to have time to get
my boat to a safe anchorage.
For that matter, is there anyone on the list who is current in a Piper Aztec who
might like an all-expenses paid trip to the US Virgin Islands in the next three
days?
<sigh> I was hoping to have swapped the Aztec for the Comanche which my wife can
fly but it didn't happen in time. Now I have two vehicles for which I am the
only one in my family here qualified to operate.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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| Subject: | Re: Assistance in S. Florida |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 7/19/2003 9:48:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
brian@lloyd.com writes:
>
> Would any of you in S. Florida be willing to play host to my Aztec for a
> week or two? Seems that Tropical Depression 6 has us boresighted. I may need
> to get my airplane off the island by tomorrow or Monday in order to have time
> to get my boat to a safe anchorage.
>
> For that matter, is there anyone on the list who is current in a Piper Aztec
> who might like an all-expenses paid trip to the US Virgin Islands in the
> next three days?
>
> <sigh> I was hoping to have swapped the Aztec for the Comanche which my wife
> can fly but it didn't happen in time. Now I have two vehicles for which I
> am the only one in my family here qualified to operate.
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> GMT-4
>
>
>
Brain,
How can I help? I'm free the next four days.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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