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1. 12:40 AM - props (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
2. 06:46 AM - stall / spin (Doug)
3. 12:24 PM - Tire Bead Breaker (KingCJ6@aol.com)
4. 03:01 PM - Re: Tire Bead Breaker (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 04:28 PM - Re: Tire Bead Breaker (Sam Sax)
6. 05:53 PM - Re: Tire Bead Breaker (cjpilot710@aol.com)
7. 06:11 PM - Re: Tire Bead Breaker (A. Dennis Savarese)
8. 06:29 PM - Re: Tire Bead Breaker (KingCJ6@aol.com)
9. 06:32 PM - Re: Tire Bead Breaker (cjpilot710@aol.com)
10. 06:55 PM - Re: Tire Bead Breaker (Frank Haertlein)
11. 07:06 PM - Tom Delashaw (Jerry Painter)
12. 07:24 PM - Re: Tom Delashaw (cjpilot710@aol.com)
13. 07:30 PM - Re: Tom Delashaw (Gus Fraser)
14. 07:55 PM - OSH trip. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
15. 10:27 PM - Re: Tire Bead Breaker (Lee Taylor)
16. 10:40 PM - Re: Tire Bead Breaker (Lee Taylor)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark@yakuk.com>
good grief, that's why you have to put so much lead in a CJ6 tail!!! why not fit
the 3 blade MT of Hoffman, its weight is 31kgs. Price is about the same also.
Mark J.
Hi Jay,
Thanks for your interest in the JL-2 series propellers. Yes they work with the
CJ governor. The prop diameter is 98 inches.
The weight of the JL-2A is 120lbs including the spinner and backing plate. The
original 2-blade is 92lbs.
The prop sells for $9500.00 USD including the spinner and backing plate. aprox
60day dellivery.
Regards
Colin Monteith
Victoria Air Maintenance
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Listers and lurkers,
Not trying to beat a dead horse and revive the old stall spin training
issue, but the link below will take you to a Yak related bit which was
published in one of Australia's air safety publications. One thing which
comes out repeatedly both by the author and others is training and practice.
I am sure many of you will recall both accidents mentioned in the article.
http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/fsa/download/02nov/14%2D16.pdf
Always yakin,
Doug Sapp
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| Subject: | Tire Bead Breaker |
--> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
Does anyone have a line on an economical tire bead breaker tool for
occasional use with CJ/Yak wheels? For those who do not have a machine, how do
you
improvise?
Thanks, Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Tire Bead Breaker |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
If I can't break it down using a couple of really large screw drivers, then
I take it to the local tire store. They will break them down for you.
Dennis Savarese
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From: <KingCJ6@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Tire Bead Breaker
> --> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
>
> Does anyone have a line on an economical tire bead breaker tool for
> occasional use with CJ/Yak wheels? For those who do not have a machine,
how do you
> improvise?
>
> Thanks, Dave
>
>
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| Subject: | Tire Bead Breaker |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sam Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
Harbor Freight has a small Tire Bead Breaker for about $49.00 that works
great (www.harborfreight.com).
Sam Sax
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tire Bead Breaker
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
If I can't break it down using a couple of really large screw drivers, then
I take it to the local tire store. They will break them down for you.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: <KingCJ6@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Tire Bead Breaker
> --> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
>
> Does anyone have a line on an economical tire bead breaker tool for
> occasional use with CJ/Yak wheels? For those who do not have a machine,
how do you
> improvise?
>
> Thanks, Dave
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tire Bead Breaker |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 7/24/2003 3:25:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
KingCJ6@aol.com writes:
>
> Does anyone have a line on an economical tire bead breaker tool for
> occasional use with CJ/Yak wheels? For those who do not have a machine, how
> do you
> improvise?
>
> Thanks, Dave
I spray WD-40 around the edge of the rim. Wait a minute or two and than
stand on it. Works every time.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | Re: Tire Bead Breaker |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
As usual, Pappy is right on the money. I forget to mention that I do
exactly the same thing.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tire Bead Breaker
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 7/24/2003 3:25:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> KingCJ6@aol.com writes:
>
> >
> > Does anyone have a line on an economical tire bead breaker tool for
> > occasional use with CJ/Yak wheels? For those who do not have a machine,
how
> > do you
> > improvise?
> >
> > Thanks, Dave
>
> I spray WD-40 around the edge of the rim. Wait a minute or two and than
> stand on it. Works every time.
>
>
> Jim Goolsby
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin 1759
> "With my shield, or on it"
> Trojan Warriors BC
> "The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like
grapes
> until some woman stomps all over them."
> Unknown older man.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tire Bead Breaker |
--> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
Is there a minimum "critical mass" necessary with this technique to achieve
the desired outcome?
Dave
In a message dated 7/24/2003 6:12:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
adsavar@gte.net writes:
> I spray WD-40 around the edge of the rim. Wait a minute or two and than
> > stand on it. Works every time.
> >
> >
> > Jim Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: Tire Bead Breaker |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 7/24/2003 9:30:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
KingCJ6@aol.com writes:
>
> Is there a minimum "critical mass" necessary with this technique to achieve
> the desired outcome?
>
> Dave
>
>
MY "critical mass" is 210 lbs. Wiseguy! :)
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | Tire Bead Breaker |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Tire Bead Breaker
Try using your vise.
Frank
N9110M
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
The death of a fellow airman is always a sad event, but for some reason
the death of Tom Delashaw strikes a particular chord. I never met Tom.
I never saw him fly. I don't know why they called him "Sharkbait,"
something from his military career, I suspect. Maybe its because he
flew F-104's, the absolute top of my airplane wish list, that I feel a
connection with him.
Today, airplanes are taken for granted by everyone, they're nothing
special. So we complain about FAA frufra, TFR's, delays, security
checks, lost bags and all the bureaucratic minutia that accompanies
flying, particularly on the airlines. When I was growing up in the
pre-jet-airliner 50's, flying could still be dangerous, particularly
military and test flying, and even airline travel was considered a bit
daring, to say nothing of expensive and fairly unusual. I kept up to
date (as much as a schoolboy can) on the latest X-planes, fighters and
bombers and read the same books and magazines from the school and public
libraries over and over again. I've seen "Strategic Air Command" and
all the other movies countless times. Russ Schleeh (record-setting B-47
pilot--the model for Jimmy Stewart's movie?--and unlimited hydroplane
driver) was one of my heroes. I had Green's and Jane's just about
memorized. I built hundreds of models and even had a "hobby shop" in
the basement to supply me and my friends with the special model stuff we
couldn't get otherwise. I knew all about Chuck Yeager, Pete Everest,
Ivan Kincheloe, Bob Hoover, Scott Crossfield, Eddie Allen, Bill Dana,
Bob White and all the other gods in the pantheon of test pilots. I even
had some of their autographs. They were what I wanted to be. They were
my heroes. I suspect many of you may have felt the same.
So, Tom Delashaw's death leaves me deeply saddened. But he didn't die
in an F-104. He died flying a Hawker Hunter, a jet from the days when
the British were still contenders in the aviation race. Hunters are
still standard equipment at many test pilot schools because of their
spin characteristics, among other things, and to my eye, beautiful
airplanes, but nothing like the F-104's Delashaw flew that drew my
attention to him. F-104's deserved their sobriquet of "the missile with
a man in it" and are the most extreme of the Century Series. Absolutely
gorgeous airplanes. They look like they're doing mach 2 parked on the
ramp. Nothing else can match their look of pure single-minded
aeronautical purpose--speed, speed, speed. You could seriously injure
yourself if you bumped against their leading edges because they are so
sharp they had to have protective covers. I have a cherished picture of
an NF-104 on my wall, climbing nearly vertically, rocket lit, on its way
to the neighborhood of 100,000 ft. I would love to be the pilot in that
airplane. But for pilots that didn't receive proper training or pay
proper respect, they were killers.
What I have read of Tom indicated he was a pro among pros, a man who had
earned his spurs (yes, F-104 pilots wear spurs for the ejections eats),
a veteran of combat and many hours in F-104's, a man who was
meticulously methodical around airplanes, especially the F-104, an
airplane that killed far too many good pilots, including Ivan Kincheloe.
He was the kind of pilot I still want to be, a man I could respect and
admire.
It is ironic that Tom should die in a relatively benign airplane like a
Hunter, a pussycat compared to an F-104. I know nothing of the cause of
the accident, but doubt carelessness played a factor. When someone like
Tom is killed it reminds me that airplanes are still dangerous, not
always trustworthy, that you can still be killed even when you have
taken every precaution. Those of us flying "experimental" airplanes
especially, without benefit of much in the way of documentation,
training, FAA, military or factory support or "supervised" experience,
sometimes to the airplanes' limits and with modifications of dubious
airworthiness, have to be especially cautious. Sometimes it feels like
this Yak-list and fellow pilots and mechanics are about all we've got to
lean on. And sometimes you have to wonder about them, too. Nobody
should die in an airplane. I can't think of many worse ways to die.
But some of us probably will, even though we've taken "every
precaution," or think we have. Doing what we love won't make it any
easier or more pleasant.
Blue skies, Tom.
And let's be careful out there.
Jerry Painter
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| Subject: | Re: Tom Delashaw |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Well said Jerry.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
One of the best posts to the list I have ever seen, cheers Jerry
See ya Tom
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Painter
Subject: Yak-List: Tom Delashaw
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
The death of a fellow airman is always a sad event, but for some reason
the death of Tom Delashaw strikes a particular chord. I never met Tom.
I never saw him fly. I don't know why they called him "Sharkbait,"
something from his military career, I suspect. Maybe its because he
flew F-104's, the absolute top of my airplane wish list, that I feel a
connection with him.
Today, airplanes are taken for granted by everyone, they're nothing
special. So we complain about FAA frufra, TFR's, delays, security
checks, lost bags and all the bureaucratic minutia that accompanies
flying, particularly on the airlines. When I was growing up in the
pre-jet-airliner 50's, flying could still be dangerous, particularly
military and test flying, and even airline travel was considered a bit
daring, to say nothing of expensive and fairly unusual. I kept up to
date (as much as a schoolboy can) on the latest X-planes, fighters and
bombers and read the same books and magazines from the school and public
libraries over and over again. I've seen "Strategic Air Command" and
all the other movies countless times. Russ Schleeh (record-setting B-47
pilot--the model for Jimmy Stewart's movie?--and unlimited hydroplane
driver) was one of my heroes. I had Green's and Jane's just about
memorized. I built hundreds of models and even had a "hobby shop" in
the basement to supply me and my friends with the special model stuff we
couldn't get otherwise. I knew all about Chuck Yeager, Pete Everest,
Ivan Kincheloe, Bob Hoover, Scott Crossfield, Eddie Allen, Bill Dana,
Bob White and all the other gods in the pantheon of test pilots. I even
had some of their autographs. They were what I wanted to be. They were
my heroes. I suspect many of you may have felt the same.
So, Tom Delashaw's death leaves me deeply saddened. But he didn't die
in an F-104. He died flying a Hawker Hunter, a jet from the days when
the British were still contenders in the aviation race. Hunters are
still standard equipment at many test pilot schools because of their
spin characteristics, among other things, and to my eye, beautiful
airplanes, but nothing like the F-104's Delashaw flew that drew my
attention to him. F-104's deserved their sobriquet of "the missile with
a man in it" and are the most extreme of the Century Series. Absolutely
gorgeous airplanes. They look like they're doing mach 2 parked on the
ramp. Nothing else can match their look of pure single-minded
aeronautical purpose--speed, speed, speed. You could seriously injure
yourself if you bumped against their leading edges because they are so
sharp they had to have protective covers. I have a cherished picture of
an NF-104 on my wall, climbing nearly vertically, rocket lit, on its way
to the neighborhood of 100,000 ft. I would love to be the pilot in that
airplane. But for pilots that didn't receive proper training or pay
proper respect, they were killers.
What I have read of Tom indicated he was a pro among pros, a man who had
earned his spurs (yes, F-104 pilots wear spurs for the ejections eats),
a veteran of combat and many hours in F-104's, a man who was
meticulously methodical around airplanes, especially the F-104, an
airplane that killed far too many good pilots, including Ivan Kincheloe.
He was the kind of pilot I still want to be, a man I could respect and
admire.
It is ironic that Tom should die in a relatively benign airplane like a
Hunter, a pussycat compared to an F-104. I know nothing of the cause of
the accident, but doubt carelessness played a factor. When someone like
Tom is killed it reminds me that airplanes are still dangerous, not
always trustworthy, that you can still be killed even when you have
taken every precaution. Those of us flying "experimental" airplanes
especially, without benefit of much in the way of documentation,
training, FAA, military or factory support or "supervised" experience,
sometimes to the airplanes' limits and with modifications of dubious
airworthiness, have to be especially cautious. Sometimes it feels like
this Yak-list and fellow pilots and mechanics are about all we've got to
lean on. And sometimes you have to wonder about them, too. Nobody
should die in an airplane. I can't think of many worse ways to die.
But some of us probably will, even though we've taken "every
precaution," or think we have. Doing what we love won't make it any
easier or more pleasant.
Blue skies, Tom.
And let's be careful out there.
Jerry Painter
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops,
Well, the airplane is cleaned and polished and mechanically sound. Oil tank
is full and charts are marked and folded.
I'll be heading out tomorrow down to PlantCity, Fl. where Craig Payne and his
wife Deb have promised me ice cream and an overnight in their new home.
Early Saturday morning, with Craig as GIB we head north.
First stop will be Camilla (CXU), GA.
Than Stevenson (7A6), AL.
Next is Washington (DCY), IN. and last at Aurora (ARR), IL (or close by
there) to pick up Craig's CJ. Its than on to MTW.
We may stop at odd places enroute. In light aircraft there are always
changes, but its a plan.
TP#6 petered out into a 'disturbance' and made a more northerly course and is
now scattered CBs over most of FL. Should be a interesting trip.
I need only to pack my diddy bag.
My cell phone number for the next 2 weeks is 386-503-9820 if anyone feel they
need to talk to me.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | Tire Bead Breaker |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tire Bead Breaker
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Tire Bead Breaker
Try using your vise.
Frank
N9110M
Lacking the RIGHT tools, a large C-clamp works pretty well.
Lee Taylor
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| Subject: | Tire Bead Breaker |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
In a message dated 7/24/2003 6:12:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
adsavar@gte.net writes:
> I spray WD-40 around the edge of the rim. Wait a minute or two and
than
> > stand on it. Works every time.
> >
> >
> > Jim Goolsby
Jim: If you do use the WD-40, (does work), just a caution. Be
sure to clean the rim VERY THOROUGHLY before reinstalling the tire. If
any of the lubricant is still there, the tire COULD slip on the rim on
heavy braking later, and that will peel off your valve stems. Instant
flat tire at what could be a bad time.
Lee Taylor
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