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1. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: (owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com)
2. 05:53 AM - Re: Tach Question (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 06:01 AM - Re: (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 06:14 AM - Re: (Brian Lloyd)
5. 06:47 AM - Re: Tach Question (ANDREWS)
6. 06:48 AM - Re: YPA Transitional Brief (Ernie)
7. 07:19 AM - Re: headsets (Ernie)
8. 07:22 AM - Re: N number and Experimental (Genzlinger, Reade)
9. 07:46 AM - Re: Re: N number and Experimental (A. Dennis Savarese)
10. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: N number and Experimental (Genzlinger, Reade)
11. 08:00 AM - Re: Re: N number and Experimental (Ernie)
12. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: N number and Experimental (owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com)
13. 08:21 AM - Re: YPA Transitional Brief (Brian Lloyd)
14. 08:26 AM - Re: Re: N number and Experimental (A. Dennis Savarese)
15. 08:28 AM - YPA Transitional Brief on NOMEX and other items (Mark Schrick)
16. 08:28 AM - Re: Flight suits (Barry Hancock)
17. 08:35 AM - November X-ray (Barry Hancock)
18. 08:35 AM - Re: YPA Transitional Brief (Ernie)
19. 08:38 AM - Found it... (Barry Hancock)
20. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: (Doug)
21. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: N number and Experimental (Doug)
22. 08:40 AM - Re: (Doug)
23. 08:49 AM - Re: Re: (owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com)
24. 08:49 AM - Re: YPA Transitional Brief on NOMEX and other items (Deon Esterhuizen)
25. 08:50 AM - Re: Found it... (A. Dennis Savarese)
26. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: N number and Experimental (A. Dennis Savarese)
27. 08:57 AM - Re: Found it... ()
28. 09:07 AM - Re: Re: (Ernie)
29. 09:09 AM - Re: YPA Transitional Brief on NOMEX and other items (Ernie)
30. 09:10 AM - Re: Found it... (Ernie)
31. 09:22 AM - Experimental (Brian Lloyd)
32. 09:31 AM - Re: YPA Transitional Brief on NOMEX and other items (A. Dennis Savarese)
33. 09:44 AM - Re: Re: headsets (Brian Lloyd)
34. 09:48 AM - Re: YPA Transitional Brief on NOMEX and other items (Brian Lloyd)
35. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: headsets (Ernie)
36. 10:06 AM - Re: Found it... (Jim Ivey)
37. 10:23 AM - Too much headset info (Jim Ivey)
38. 10:33 AM - Re: (Richard Basiliere)
39. 10:47 AM - Re: Found it... (Ernie)
40. 11:07 AM - Re: Found it... ()
41. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: (Lee Taylor)
42. 11:24 AM - Re: Found it... ()
43. 11:42 AM - NX marking 45.22 (owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com)
44. 12:30 PM - NX Number (owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com)
45. 01:02 PM - Re: NX (Doug)
46. 01:32 PM - Re: Re: N number and Experimental (Cy Galley)
47. 03:48 PM - Registration ()
48. 04:07 PM - Re: Registration (Ernie)
49. 04:20 PM - Re: Registration (Jon Boede)
50. 04:29 PM - Re: Registration (Jon Boede)
51. 06:33 PM - Fw: headset wiring (Mark Weidhaas)
52. 06:36 PM - headset wiring (Mark Weidhaas)
53. 06:40 PM - Re: YPA Transitional Brief (Gus Fraser)
54. 06:43 PM - Re: (Gus Fraser)
55. 09:37 PM - Re: Found it... (Ron Davis)
56. 09:39 PM - Re: Found it... (Ron Davis)
57. 09:43 PM - Re: Experimental (Ron Davis)
58. 09:49 PM - Re: (Ron Davis)
59. 09:52 PM - Re: Re: NX (Ron Davis)
60. 09:55 PM - Re: Registration (Ron Davis)
61. 09:58 PM - Re: Registration (Ron Davis)
62. 10:03 PM - Re: Re: (Ron Davis)
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--> Yak-List message posted by:
Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at. They work
as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on the
David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they were the
leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to wiring
them?
Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the airplane it
did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I ask
about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X, it
wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been through
the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they never
heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner make
a mistake and get by with it for years?
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
Subject: Yak-List: RE:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I LOVE
my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I was
REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many years
of enjoying the noise.
Lee Taylor
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
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| Subject: | Re: Tach Question |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 8/6/2003 11:55:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Yakjock@msn.com writes:
> Al,
>
> I use the Horizon Istruments digital in my planes. Does a good job, also
> doubles as a Hobbs meter and will tell you if the performance of your mags
> starts to differ.
>
>
I have one and it does a lot more than just tell you the RPM. It tells you
the actual mag drop of each mag. Which mag is grounded. If there is a spread
in the mags rpm. You have them set for rpm ranges where a yellow light comes
on when you exceed normal range or a red light at max rpm. The readings can
be set in % at the factory, if you want to play like your in a jet. Plus it is
very simple to install and has a very low failure rate. Like Hal said, its a
Hobbs meter but a lot better one.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Aubrey,
Go to my web site, www.yak-52.com, visit the Downloads page and download
FAA Order 8130.2E. It's the latest version of the "Bible according to the
FAA". It describes most everything you need to know about certifying an
Experimental aircraft and the issuance of the Special Airworthiness
certificate.
BTW, the words "EXPERIMENTAL" in 2" block letters, clearly visible to
persons entering the aircraft is a requirement.
Dennis Savarese
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From: <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
> --> Yak-List message posted by:
>
> From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:50:04 -0500
>
> Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at. They
work
> as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on the
> David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they were
the
> leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to wiring
> them?
>
> Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the airplane
it
> did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I ask
> about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X, it
> wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been through
> the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they never
> heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner
make
> a mistake and get by with it for years?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: RE:
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
>
> Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I LOVE
> my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
> comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
> box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
> AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
> I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
> Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
> IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
> TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I was
> REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many years
> of enjoying the noise.
>
> Lee Taylor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com wrote:
> Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at. They work
> as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on the
> David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they were the
> leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to wiring
> them?
I love my Lightspeeds but there are some caveats. They are not robust. I have
had to repair my personal pair four or five times now. I have had to replace
the stirrups/forks/whatever (the things that hold the earcups) two or three
times. I have had to replace the headband once. I have had to replace the battery-box
once. They are easy to fix and Lightspeed has been johnny-on-the-spot
sending me replacement parts free-of-charge but the bottom line is that you
are going to have to fix them sooner or later. Structural plastic is just not
as robust as the steel parts used in the David-Clark-like headsets. The latter,
when equipped with the softtop and ear seals from Oregon Aero, are almost
as comfortable as the Lightspeeds too.
Frankly, I prefer my helmet to either, at least when flying the CJ. The helmet
does a better job of blocking the medium and high sound frequencies that cause
hearing loss. I save my Lightspeeds for flying spam cans. OTOH, my wive loves
the Lightspeeds and won't wear anything else, even in the CJ.
BTW, the Lightspeeds sound great with music too so if you have a music input on
your intercom the Lightspeed headsets sound a lot better.
As for wiring, there shouldn't be a problem. The mic functions as a standard carbon
mic so there is no problem there. All you need is to put in the proper
civilian jacks or make up an adaptor cable that adapts standard civilian jacks
to whatever the Yak-52 uses. The headphone input is pretty easy since the headset
has its own amplifier and isn't picky about the impedance of the audio signal.
It also has its own volume controls to adjust for differences between
headsets.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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| Subject: | Re: Tach Question |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "ANDREWS" <dandmaz@cox.net>
Al,
I have used the horizon Instrument, five years six hundred hours works great
.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tach Question
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
>
> Al,
>
> I use the Horizon Istruments digital in my planes. Does a good job, also
doubles as a Hobbs meter and will tell you if the performance of your mags
starts to differ.
>
> Hal
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: YPA Transitional Brief |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
If I didnt wear my flight suit then I wouldnt have anywhere to hang my
patches.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: YPA Transitional Brief
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Per Drew's The MTW/OSH Transitional Brief.........
>
> These are MANDATORY items if you fly in an association funded, managed,
> sponsored event or flight.
>
> 1. Parachutes
> 2. Nomex Flight Suit
> 3. No open toed shoes
>
> Drew, yaksters;
> As far as I know the Yak group is the only group I know of that requires
> #2 of your requirements....ie, a Nomex Flight Suit in order to be
> included in All Red Star activities. What's up with that? I understand
> the safety implications but then why do other fast groups not require
> it? Fer cryin' out loud...we're not involved in combat activities here!
> If it's an image kind of thing then you are in fact being exclusive.
>
> I'm open to your reasoning on this issue.
>
> Frank
> N9110M
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Just my 2 cents. I have the light speeds, the DC's and have tried the Bose.
The light speeds work fine but the passive attenuation stinks, the DC's have
much better passive attenuation but need an air tight seal (cant wear
glasses) and are heavier, but I do beleive they are superior to the light
speeds in terms of overall noise attenuation, the Bose are in a whole
different leauge when it comes to Comfort and noise attenuation, and they
dont require an air tight seal, you can actually pull them slightly off the
side of your head and the ANR keeps working. Do that with the DC's and
you'll hear all sorts of popping, do that with the light speeds and is as if
you took them completely off.
I used to think that my lightspeeds were better than my DC's untill I put in
a high noise intercomm in my CJ, My old intercom allowed me to turn the
volume way up, so both headsets seemed to work ok, they would block out the
low freq stuff and it seemed to quiet the noise. But as soon as I went to
the high noise intercomm I could hardly hear anything with the light speeds,
but heard much better with the DC's. I sent the light speeds back thinking
that there was something wrong with the headsets, they were sent back as
fine.
Here's the scoop. The high noise intercomm doesnt allow you to crank up the
volume to overcome the surrounding noise, as the PS engineering guy told me,
"whats the point of wearing head sets to block out 110 db of cabin noise
only to replace it with 110 db of radio volume?". I used to think that my
Lightspeeds sounded better but I was still hurting my hearing becuase I was
listening to the radio and the intercom at shock volume. As soon as I put
the DC's in the plane, I was able to turn the radio volume way down and the
intercom volume way down, in effect I was in a quieter space. After a long
flight you can really feel the difference in the reduced fatigue and lack of
ringing in my ear.
I beleive I have done considerable hearing damage due to "Thinking that
things were quiter"
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
> --> Yak-List message posted by:
>
> From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:50:04 -0500
>
> Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at. They
work
> as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on the
> David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they were
the
> leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to wiring
> them?
>
> Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the airplane
it
> did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I ask
> about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X, it
> wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been through
> the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they never
> heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner
make
> a mistake and get by with it for years?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: RE:
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
>
> Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I LOVE
> my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
> comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
> box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
> AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
> I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
> Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
> IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
> TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I was
> REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many years
> of enjoying the noise.
>
> Lee Taylor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: N number and Experimental |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
I asked the same question and my FSDO inspector said if I have an X in the N
number then I don't need to display "experimental". Others will chime in
with the regs - We've done if for a Yak-52 and an IAR 823.
Reade Genzlinger
Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
215.914.0370
215.790.6212 fax
readeg@cairnwood.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
Subject:
{SPAM?} Header
--> Yak-List message posted by:
From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at. They work
as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on the
David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they were the
leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to wiring
them?
Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the airplane it
did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I ask
about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X, it
wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been through
the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they never
heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner make
a mistake and get by with it for years?
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
Subject: Yak-List: RE:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I LOVE
my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I was
REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many years
of enjoying the noise.
Lee Taylor
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
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| Subject: | Re: RE: N number and Experimental |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
I wish our FSDO was that flexible.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
Subject: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
>
> I asked the same question and my FSDO inspector said if I have an X in the
N
> number then I don't need to display "experimental". Others will chime in
> with the regs - We've done if for a Yak-52 and an IAR 823.
>
> Reade Genzlinger
> Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
> 215.914.0370
> 215.790.6212 fax
> readeg@cairnwood.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> Subject:
>
>
> {SPAM?} Header
> --> Yak-List message posted by:
>
> From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:50:04 -0500
>
> Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at. They
work
> as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on the
> David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they were
the
> leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to wiring
> them?
>
> Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the airplane
it
> did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I ask
> about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X, it
> wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been through
> the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they never
> heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner
make
> a mistake and get by with it for years?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: RE:
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
>
> Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I LOVE
> my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
> comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
> box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
> AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
> I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
> Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
> IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
> TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I was
> REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many years
> of enjoying the noise.
>
> Lee Taylor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: N number and Experimental |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
Dennis:
I know what you mean. The stories of multiple interpretation of regs. are
disconcerting at best. I was totally surprised at the response we received.
My Op Lim letter is a good one but we went through every paragraph of the
order in great detail to get there. Our guy has turned out to be very
reasonable. I hope we have him for a long time.
Reade Genzlinger
Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
215.914.0370
215.790.6212 fax
readeg@cairnwood.com
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:adsavar@gte.net]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
{SPAM?} Header
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
I wish our FSDO was that flexible.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
Subject: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
>
> I asked the same question and my FSDO inspector said if I have an X in the
N
> number then I don't need to display "experimental". Others will chime in
> with the regs - We've done if for a Yak-52 and an IAR 823.
>
> Reade Genzlinger
> Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
> 215.914.0370
> 215.790.6212 fax
> readeg@cairnwood.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> Subject:
>
>
> {SPAM?} Header
> --> Yak-List message posted by:
>
> From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:50:04 -0500
>
> Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at. They
work
> as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on the
> David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they were
the
> leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to wiring
> them?
>
> Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the airplane
it
> did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I ask
> about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X, it
> wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been through
> the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they never
> heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner
make
> a mistake and get by with it for years?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: RE:
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
>
> Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I LOVE
> my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
> comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
> box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
> AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
> I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
> Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
> IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
> TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I was
> REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many years
> of enjoying the noise.
>
> Lee Taylor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: N number and Experimental |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
The FSDO may be flexible, but if you get ramp checked somewhere outside of
your FSDO's area, you may be in for a suprise.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> I wish our FSDO was that flexible.
> Dennis Savarese
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade"
<ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
> >
> > I asked the same question and my FSDO inspector said if I have an X in
the
> N
> > number then I don't need to display "experimental". Others will chime
in
> > with the regs - We've done if for a Yak-52 and an IAR 823.
> >
> > Reade Genzlinger
> > Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
> > 215.914.0370
> > 215.790.6212 fax
> > readeg@cairnwood.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> > Subject:
> >
> >
> > {SPAM?} Header
> > --> Yak-List message posted by:
> >
> > From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> > To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
> > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:50:04 -0500
> >
> > Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at. They
> work
> > as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on the
> > David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they were
> the
> > leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to wiring
> > them?
> >
> > Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the airplane
> it
> > did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I
ask
> > about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X,
it
> > wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been
through
> > the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they never
> > heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner
> make
> > a mistake and get by with it for years?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: RE:
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
> >
> > Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I LOVE
> > my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
> > comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
> > box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
> > AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
> > I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
> > Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
> > IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
> > TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I was
> > REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many years
> > of enjoying the noise.
> >
> > Lee Taylor
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by:
Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
My FSDO is like yours. You must have Experimental. I would love to find a
way around it, because it makes for a better paint job. If anyone finds
something in writing I would like to see it.
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:adsavar@gte.net]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
I wish our FSDO was that flexible.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
Subject: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
>
> I asked the same question and my FSDO inspector said if I have an X in the
N
> number then I don't need to display "experimental". Others will chime in
> with the regs - We've done if for a Yak-52 and an IAR 823.
>
> Reade Genzlinger
> Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
> 215.914.0370
> 215.790.6212 fax
> readeg@cairnwood.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> Subject:
>
>
> {SPAM?} Header
> --> Yak-List message posted by:
>
> From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:50:04 -0500
>
> Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at. They
work
> as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on the
> David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they were
the
> leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to wiring
> them?
>
> Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the airplane
it
> did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I ask
> about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X, it
> wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been through
> the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they never
> heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner
make
> a mistake and get by with it for years?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: RE:
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
>
> Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I LOVE
> my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
> comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
> box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
> AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
> I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
> Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
> IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
> TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I was
> REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many years
> of enjoying the noise.
>
> Lee Taylor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: YPA Transitional Brief |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
(Oh no! Brian is playing devil's advocate and spawning controversy again!)
>>1. Parachutes
>>2. Nomex Flight Suit
>>3. No open toed shoes
Certainly I agree that flying in a CJ6A or Yak-52 without the above items is not
a great idea but to require them? So what happened to personal responsibility
and personal choice? If someone wants to fly without a nomex flight suit in
an aircraft with fuel and electrical lines bundled together in the cockpit,
that is their prerogative regardless of what I might think of it.
The key from my point of view is whether it affects other people. I think we can
mandate behavior when that behavior might threaten someone else but when the
behavior only threatens the person who makes the choice, who am I to argue?
If I want to fly formation without a flight suit or a parachute, that affects
me. OTOH, I feel that I must provide these things to a passenger who might want
to have them. My passenger might hold his or her life in higher esteem than
I do mine therefore I should provide means for them to protect themselves as
much as possible.
So I would question retaining it as a requirement but I would certainly include
it as "best current practice".
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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| Subject: | Re: RE: N number and Experimental |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Excellent point Ernie!
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> The FSDO may be flexible, but if you get ramp checked somewhere outside of
> your FSDO's area, you may be in for a suprise.
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> >
> > I wish our FSDO was that flexible.
> > Dennis Savarese
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade"
> <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
> > >
> > > I asked the same question and my FSDO inspector said if I have an X in
> the
> > N
> > > number then I don't need to display "experimental". Others will chime
> in
> > > with the regs - We've done if for a Yak-52 and an IAR 823.
> > >
> > > Reade Genzlinger
> > > Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
> > > 215.914.0370
> > > 215.790.6212 fax
> > > readeg@cairnwood.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> > > Subject:
> > >
> > >
> > > {SPAM?} Header
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by:
> > >
> > > From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> > > To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
> > > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:50:04 -0500
> > >
> > > Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at.
They
> > work
> > > as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on
the
> > > David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they
were
> > the
> > > leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to
wiring
> > > them?
> > >
> > > Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the
airplane
> > it
> > > did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I
> ask
> > > about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X,
> it
> > > wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been
> through
> > > the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they
never
> > > heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner
> > make
> > > a mistake and get by with it for years?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
> > > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Yak-List: RE:
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
> > >
> > > Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I
LOVE
> > > my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
> > > comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
> > > box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
> > > AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
> > > I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
> > > Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
> > > IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
> > > TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I
was
> > > REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many
years
> > > of enjoying the noise.
> > >
> > > Lee Taylor
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | YPA Transitional Brief on NOMEX and other items |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Frank,
This has nothing to do with combat. Personally, I have seen several engine
fires in both CJ's and Yak 52 and hope no one ever gets burned. Because of
this, NOMEX is a SAFETY regulation not a "play Air Force/Navy" thing.
If you wish to wear flip flops, shorts, t-shirt because it is comfortable in
the cockpit then so be it but I hope no one every has to visit a friend in a
BURN CENTER and see and smell the after math. It is one that you will never
forget and I don't mind sweating a little bit more to wear the following:
1. Parachutes
2. NOMEX Flight Suit and gloves
3. Laced up boots for support
4. Helmet with visor
Since I don't fly straight and level very often anymore, I always wear a
parachute and do not look at it as an "expensive seat cushion". Everything I
have in the cockpit is for safety and something I felt was necessary for
flight safety.
Think about people...........We are a professional group and we should act
like a professional group by demonstrating group safety and being poster
Children of air safety for all signatory groups to look up to. Only way that
can happen is through TRAINING, and PERSONAL DEMONSTRATION to all that know
you. Remember ONE person can make this group like GOOD or really BAD. Which
one do you want to be?
Good luck out there.............and be safe.
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
Yak 52 Owner and NOMEX, Helmet, and Parachute wearer
Mark (SHREK) Schrick
YAK Driver, Inc
Western USA Dealer for AEROSTAR (Yak 52TW/W)
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, CA 95120
(408) 323-5150 phone/fax
(408) 391-6664 cell
www.yakdriver.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: YPA Transitional Brief
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Per Drew's The MTW/OSH Transitional Brief.........
These are MANDATORY items if you fly in an association funded, managed,
sponsored event or flight.
1. Parachutes
2. Nomex Flight Suit
3. No open toed shoes
Drew, yaksters;
As far as I know the Yak group is the only group I know of that requires
#2 of your requirements....ie, a Nomex Flight Suit in order to be
included in All Red Star activities. What's up with that? I understand
the safety implications but then why do other fast groups not require
it? Fer cryin' out loud...we're not involved in combat activities here!
If it's an image kind of thing then you are in fact being exclusive.
I'm open to your reasoning on this issue.
Frank
N9110M
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| Subject: | Re: Flight suits |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Frank wrote:
> Drew, yaksters;
> As far as I know the Yak group is the only group I know of that requires
> #2 of your requirements....ie, a Nomex Flight Suit in order to be
> included in All Red Star activities. What's up with that? I understand
> the safety implications but then why do other fast groups not require
> it? Fer cryin' out loud...we're not involved in combat activities here!
> If it's an image kind of thing then you are in fact being exclusive.
>
> I'm open to your reasoning on this issue.
Drew has his reasoning on this issue, but let me take a slightly
different approach.
Picture yourself on a new baseball team at the beginning of the season.
Everyone on the team is wearing a uniform except for this one guy, we'll
call him Frank. :) No one has ever played with Frank before. What
impression does Frank make on the rest of the guys? Does he come across
as a team guy concerned about unity, cohesion, and following
expectations?
Forget about protection, flight suits are a uniform that say "I'm a part
of the group." I don't know about the rest of you guys, but when I have
someone doing cross-unders behind me with my very life on the line, I at
least want to know that he has a team mentality. It is not a guarantee,
but it is something that raises my confidence level.
No, Frank, this is not combat. If it were you'd be required to wear a
helmet, gloves, boots, survival gear, a sidearm, and put your life on
the line every time you fly....wait, my life *is* on the line every time
I fly. Formation isn't combat, thank goodness, but it is serious
business where trust is important.
From a safety standpoint remember we have fuel lines running through the
cockpits of these airplanes, gas on all four sides of us, and fuel lines
in the engine compartment that are capable of spraying fuel on very hot
exhaust stacks. An extra 5 seconds of protection could be the
difference between life and death. Just ask the husband of the Casa jet
that crashed at OSH a few years back who watched his wife struggle to
get out of the plane but get overcome by fire. Frankly, according to
formation accident reports, it seems less likely that you will need your
parachute than your Nomex. If parachutes are a no-brainer, then why
shouldn't Nomex be?
So if you want to fly acro, etc., where you are by yourself without
Nomex, that is your choice. Party on. But if you are going to be in an
environment where 1 to 7 other people (more in a mass formation) are
trusting you with their lives, respect the team - wear the uni.
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
I don't have time to look up the reg right now, but our aircraft fall
under the regulation that allows you to substitute "NX" for an
EXPERIMENTAL placard in the aircraft. This, however, does not guarantee
that you'll be able to do it. My FSDO are pains in the butt and as
opposed to fighting them on it, I just went with a "temporary" placard
in addition to the NX so that I could get my plane in the air with as
little hassle as possible. Once it's flying (soon, I hope) I will
reapproach the FSDO and get them to change my Ops. Limits based on the
regulation that clearly allows for this.
As soon as I have time I'll dig up the reg. and post it.
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | Re: YPA Transitional Brief |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
In formation flight I think that if you were flying off my wing, I'd prefer
if you did have fire protection so as to minimize the chance of you running
into me when you realize that your family Jewels are on fire, a helmet might
keep you from going unconscious in the event you hit your head after a nasty
bump and again fly into me.
So maybe these things are for the other peoples benefit.
As for me I think its cool, I'm putting oxygen in my jet just so I can wear
the mask :)
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YPA Transitional Brief
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> (Oh no! Brian is playing devil's advocate and spawning controversy
again!)
>
> >>1. Parachutes
> >>2. Nomex Flight Suit
> >>3. No open toed shoes
>
> Certainly I agree that flying in a CJ6A or Yak-52 without the above items
is not a great idea but to require them? So what happened to personal
responsibility and personal choice? If someone wants to fly without a nomex
flight suit in an aircraft with fuel and electrical lines bundled together
in the cockpit, that is their prerogative regardless of what I might think
of it.
>
> The key from my point of view is whether it affects other people. I think
we can mandate behavior when that behavior might threaten someone else but
when the behavior only threatens the person who makes the choice, who am I
to argue? If I want to fly formation without a flight suit or a parachute,
that affects me. OTOH, I feel that I must provide these things to a
passenger who might want to have them. My passenger might hold his or her
life in higher esteem than I do mine therefore I should provide means for
them to protect themselves as much as possible.
>
> So I would question retaining it as a requirement but I would certainly
include it as "best current practice".
>
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> GMT-4
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
...quicker than I thought.
As you know almost all FAR's have some hidden small print. Paragraph 20
states Experimental must be on the aircraft in accordance with part
45.23 (b). Skip now to the section of 45.22 part 3 (b) mid page that
states that a U.S. registered aircraft with a experimental certificate
in the exhibition class (which the CJ-6 falls) that has the same
(unchanged) external configuration as a aircraft built at least 30 years
ago (the CJ-6 has not changed from 1963 through 2001 (except for cost)
May be operated without displaying marks in accordance with 45.23
through 45.33 which lets us go without the experimental word in
paragraph 20.
Good luck in dealing with the Lack of Flight Standards dudes....
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
There is a company out there who will take your old David Clarks and modify
then to ANR. Have never used them, but I recall seeing their ad in various
mags. I use Sigtronics, and never had a problem.
Always yakin,
Doug Sapp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Re:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com wrote:
>
> > Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at. They
work
> > as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on the
> > David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they were
the
> > leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to wiring
> > them?
>
> I love my Lightspeeds but there are some caveats. They are not robust. I
have had to repair my personal pair four or five times now. I have had to
replace the stirrups/forks/whatever (the things that hold the earcups) two
or three times. I have had to replace the headband once. I have had to
replace the battery-box once. They are easy to fix and Lightspeed has been
johnny-on-the-spot sending me replacement parts free-of-charge but the
bottom line is that you are going to have to fix them sooner or later.
Structural plastic is just not as robust as the steel parts used in the
David-Clark-like headsets. The latter, when equipped with the softtop and
ear seals from Oregon Aero, are almost as comfortable as the Lightspeeds
too.
>
> Frankly, I prefer my helmet to either, at least when flying the CJ. The
helmet does a better job of blocking the medium and high sound frequencies
that cause hearing loss. I save my Lightspeeds for flying spam cans. OTOH,
my wive loves the Lightspeeds and won't wear anything else, even in the CJ.
>
> BTW, the Lightspeeds sound great with music too so if you have a music
input on your intercom the Lightspeed headsets sound a lot better.
>
> As for wiring, there shouldn't be a problem. The mic functions as a
standard carbon mic so there is no problem there. All you need is to put in
the proper civilian jacks or make up an adaptor cable that adapts standard
civilian jacks to whatever the Yak-52 uses. The headphone input is pretty
easy since the headset has its own amplifier and isn't picky about the
impedance of the audio signal. It also has its own volume controls to
adjust for differences between headsets.
>
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> GMT-4
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: N number and Experimental |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Ernie wrote
>
> The FSDO may be flexible, but if you get ramp checked somewhere outside of
> your FSDO's area, you may be in for a surprise.
I doubt it, as the various FSDO's normally do not get into a "mines bigger
than yours" mode with respect to another FSDO's methodology. Either you
have the proper set of documents from your FSDO or you do not. What those
documents say is not their concern. They seem to honor each other's ability
to run his/her own little thiefdoom as they see fit. They are the first to
admit that there is little standardization in the system as much of what is
in the regs is at best vague to say the least. Ours takes the position that
until the regs are rewritten in more precise verbiage, they will interpret
them "as they see fit", actually they said "as best we can".......oh ya.
Always Yakin,
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> The FSDO may be flexible, but if you get ramp checked somewhere outside of
> your FSDO's area, you may be in for a suprise.
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> >
> > I wish our FSDO was that flexible.
> > Dennis Savarese
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade"
> <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
> > >
> > > I asked the same question and my FSDO inspector said if I have an X in
> the
> > N
> > > number then I don't need to display "experimental". Others will chime
> in
> > > with the regs - We've done if for a Yak-52 and an IAR 823.
> > >
> > > Reade Genzlinger
> > > Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
> > > 215.914.0370
> > > 215.790.6212 fax
> > > readeg@cairnwood.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> > > Subject:
> > >
> > >
> > > {SPAM?} Header
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by:
> > >
> > > From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> > > To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
> > > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:50:04 -0500
> > >
> > > Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at.
They
> > work
> > > as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on
the
> > > David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they
were
> > the
> > > leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to
wiring
> > > them?
> > >
> > > Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the
airplane
> > it
> > > did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I
> ask
> > > about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X,
> it
> > > wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been
> through
> > > the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they
never
> > > heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner
> > make
> > > a mistake and get by with it for years?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
> > > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Yak-List: RE:
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
> > >
> > > Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I
LOVE
> > > my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
> > > comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
> > > box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
> > > AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
> > > I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
> > > Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
> > > IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
> > > TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I
was
> > > REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many
years
> > > of enjoying the noise.
> > >
> > > Lee Taylor
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
See 8130.2D (page 8)
17. Display of Nationality and Reg marks on antique and antique replica
aircraft.
Basically it states that the aircraft must be at least 30 years old. Next
go down the page to para "d" where it states that and I quote, "In addition,
4523(b) provides that when the appropriate symbol is used with the
nationality and registration marks with 45.22(b)(1)(ii), the words
"limited", "restricted", or "experiential" are not required to be displayed
on the aircraft.
I don't have the time to sit and re type the entire text of this reg and
have no way to scan it into a email but if anyone out there requires in fax
form I would be glad to send it to them.
Always yakin,
doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
> --> Yak-List message posted by:
>
> From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:11:12 -0500
>
> My FSDO is like yours. You must have Experimental. I would love to find a
> way around it, because it makes for a better paint job. If anyone finds
> something in writing I would like to see it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:adsavar@gte.net]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> I wish our FSDO was that flexible.
> Dennis Savarese
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade"
<ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
> >
> > I asked the same question and my FSDO inspector said if I have an X in
the
> N
> > number then I don't need to display "experimental". Others will chime
in
> > with the regs - We've done if for a Yak-52 and an IAR 823.
> >
> > Reade Genzlinger
> > Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
> > 215.914.0370
> > 215.790.6212 fax
> > readeg@cairnwood.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> > Subject:
> >
> >
> > {SPAM?} Header
> > --> Yak-List message posted by:
> >
> > From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> > To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
> > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:50:04 -0500
> >
> > Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at. They
> work
> > as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on the
> > David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they were
> the
> > leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to wiring
> > them?
> >
> > Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the airplane
> it
> > did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I
ask
> > about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X,
it
> > wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been
through
> > the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they never
> > heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner
> make
> > a mistake and get by with it for years?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: RE:
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
> >
> > Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I LOVE
> > my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
> > comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
> > box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
> > AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
> > I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
> > Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
> > IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
> > TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I was
> > REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many years
> > of enjoying the noise.
> >
> > Lee Taylor
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by:
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re:
The local FSDO looked at this REG but said it didn't apply because the
aircraft wasn't 30 years old.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug [mailto:rvfltd@televar.com]
Subject: Yak-List: Re:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
See 8130.2D (page 8)
17. Display of Nationality and Reg marks on antique and antique replica
aircraft.
Basically it states that the aircraft must be at least 30 years old. Next
go down the page to para "d" where it states that and I quote, "In addition,
4523(b) provides that when the appropriate symbol is used with the
nationality and registration marks with 45.22(b)(1)(ii), the words
"limited", "restricted", or "experiential" are not required to be displayed
on the aircraft.
I don't have the time to sit and re type the entire text of this reg and
have no way to scan it into a email but if anyone out there requires in fax
form I would be glad to send it to them.
Always yakin,
doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
> --> Yak-List message posted by:
>
> From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:11:12 -0500
>
> My FSDO is like yours. You must have Experimental. I would love to find a
> way around it, because it makes for a better paint job. If anyone finds
> something in writing I would like to see it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:adsavar@gte.net]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> I wish our FSDO was that flexible.
> Dennis Savarese
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade"
<ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
> >
> > I asked the same question and my FSDO inspector said if I have an X in
the
> N
> > number then I don't need to display "experimental". Others will chime
in
> > with the regs - We've done if for a Yak-52 and an IAR 823.
> >
> > Reade Genzlinger
> > Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
> > 215.914.0370
> > 215.790.6212 fax
> > readeg@cairnwood.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> > Subject:
> >
> >
> > {SPAM?} Header
> > --> Yak-List message posted by:
> >
> > From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> > To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
> > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:50:04 -0500
> >
> > Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at. They
> work
> > as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on the
> > David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they were
> the
> > leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to wiring
> > them?
> >
> > Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the airplane
> it
> > did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I
ask
> > about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X,
it
> > wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been
through
> > the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they never
> > heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner
> make
> > a mistake and get by with it for years?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: RE:
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
> >
> > Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I LOVE
> > my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
> > comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
> > box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
> > AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
> > I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
> > Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
> > IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
> > TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I was
> > REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many years
> > of enjoying the noise.
> >
> > Lee Taylor
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | YPA Transitional Brief on NOMEX and other items |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Deon Esterhuizen" <desterhuizen@hyphos360.com>
Where is the best place to purchase Nomax suit and gloves - I was lucky
with the helmet - got it as a gift from my wife.
Deon
N192YK
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Schrick [mailto:schrick@pacbell.net]
Subject: Yak-List: YPA Transitional Brief on NOMEX and other items
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Frank,
This has nothing to do with combat. Personally, I have seen several
engine
fires in both CJ's and Yak 52 and hope no one ever gets burned. Because
of
this, NOMEX is a SAFETY regulation not a "play Air Force/Navy" thing.
If you wish to wear flip flops, shorts, t-shirt because it is
comfortable in
the cockpit then so be it but I hope no one every has to visit a friend
in a
BURN CENTER and see and smell the after math. It is one that you will
never
forget and I don't mind sweating a little bit more to wear the
following:
1. Parachutes
2. NOMEX Flight Suit and gloves
3. Laced up boots for support
4. Helmet with visor
Since I don't fly straight and level very often anymore, I always wear a
parachute and do not look at it as an "expensive seat cushion".
Everything I
have in the cockpit is for safety and something I felt was necessary for
flight safety.
Think about people...........We are a professional group and we should
act
like a professional group by demonstrating group safety and being poster
Children of air safety for all signatory groups to look up to. Only way
that
can happen is through TRAINING, and PERSONAL DEMONSTRATION to all that
know
you. Remember ONE person can make this group like GOOD or really BAD.
Which
one do you want to be?
Good luck out there.............and be safe.
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
Yak 52 Owner and NOMEX, Helmet, and Parachute wearer
Mark (SHREK) Schrick
YAK Driver, Inc
Western USA Dealer for AEROSTAR (Yak 52TW/W)
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, CA 95120
(408) 323-5150 phone/fax
(408) 391-6664 cell
www.yakdriver.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: YPA Transitional Brief
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Per Drew's The MTW/OSH Transitional Brief.........
These are MANDATORY items if you fly in an association funded, managed,
sponsored event or flight.
1. Parachutes
2. Nomex Flight Suit
3. No open toed shoes
Drew, yaksters;
As far as I know the Yak group is the only group I know of that requires
#2 of your requirements....ie, a Nomex Flight Suit in order to be
included in All Red Star activities. What's up with that? I understand
the safety implications but then why do other fast groups not require
it? Fer cryin' out loud...we're not involved in combat activities here!
If it's an image kind of thing then you are in fact being exclusive.
I'm open to your reasoning on this issue.
Frank
N9110M
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Does not apply to the YAK 52 since none of them were built 30 or more years
ago. I believe Aubrey has a 52.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Found it...
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
> ...quicker than I thought.
>
> As you know almost all FAR's have some hidden small print. Paragraph 20
> states Experimental must be on the aircraft in accordance with part
> 45.23 (b). Skip now to the section of 45.22 part 3 (b) mid page that
> states that a U.S. registered aircraft with a experimental certificate
> in the exhibition class (which the CJ-6 falls) that has the same
> (unchanged) external configuration as a aircraft built at least 30 years
> ago (the CJ-6 has not changed from 1963 through 2001 (except for cost)
> May be operated without displaying marks in accordance with 45.23
> through 45.33 which lets us go without the experimental word in
> paragraph 20.
>
> Good luck in dealing with the Lack of Flight Standards dudes....
>
> Barry Hancock
> Director of Operations
> Red Stars, Inc.
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Excellent research guys. But again, it's a mute point as far as Aubrey is
concerned. He's got a 52.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Ernie wrote
> >
> > The FSDO may be flexible, but if you get ramp checked somewhere outside
of
> > your FSDO's area, you may be in for a surprise.
>
>
> I doubt it, as the various FSDO's normally do not get into a "mines bigger
> than yours" mode with respect to another FSDO's methodology. Either you
> have the proper set of documents from your FSDO or you do not. What those
> documents say is not their concern. They seem to honor each other's
ability
> to run his/her own little thiefdoom as they see fit. They are the first
to
> admit that there is little standardization in the system as much of what
is
> in the regs is at best vague to say the least. Ours takes the position
that
> until the regs are rewritten in more precise verbiage, they will interpret
> them "as they see fit", actually they said "as best we can".......oh ya.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> >
> > The FSDO may be flexible, but if you get ramp checked somewhere outside
of
> > your FSDO's area, you may be in for a suprise.
> >
> > Ernie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> > >
> > > I wish our FSDO was that flexible.
> > > Dennis Savarese
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
> > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade"
> > <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
> > > >
> > > > I asked the same question and my FSDO inspector said if I have an X
in
> > the
> > > N
> > > > number then I don't need to display "experimental". Others will
chime
> > in
> > > > with the regs - We've done if for a Yak-52 and an IAR 823.
> > > >
> > > > Reade Genzlinger
> > > > Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
> > > > 215.914.0370
> > > > 215.790.6212 fax
> > > > readeg@cairnwood.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> > > > Subject:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > {SPAM?} Header
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by:
> > > >
> > > > From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> > > > To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
> > > > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:50:04 -0500
> > > >
> > > > Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at.
> They
> > > work
> > > > as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on
> the
> > > > David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they
> were
> > > the
> > > > leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to
> wiring
> > > > them?
> > > >
> > > > Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the
> airplane
> > > it
> > > > did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y.
I
> > ask
> > > > about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the
X,
> > it
> > > > wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been
> > through
> > > > the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they
> never
> > > > heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous own
er
> > > make
> > > > a mistake and get by with it for years?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
> > > > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > > > Subject: Yak-List: RE:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
> > > >
> > > > Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I
> LOVE
> > > > my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
> > > > comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the
battery
> > > > box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two
common
> > > > AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
> > > > I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
> > > > Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS
NOT
> > > > IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
> > > > TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I
> was
> > > > REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many
> years
> > > > of enjoying the noise.
> > > >
> > > > Lee Taylor
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: <eyeballs@cox.net>
Those same regulations allow us to have TWO inch letters and they may be placed
ANYWHERE on the side of the aircraft! So you can tuck the N number UNDER the
horizontal where it is hardly visable.
I learned to carry copies of the regs along with my operating limitations and program
letter from Rich Tichacek. When the Feds ranp checked his CJ in California
and tried to bust him for the two letter N number and the lack of the EXPERIMENTAL
placard, he showed them the regs. Their response was that the regulation
was stupid. But Rich pointed out that it was their regulation. So they
went away.
Jim Shafer
CJ 360EB
> As you know almost all FAR's have some hidden small print. Paragraph 20
> states Experimental must be on the aircraft in accordance with part
> 45.23 (b). Skip now to the section of 45.22 part 3 (b) mid page that
> states that a U.S. registered aircraft with a experimental certificate
> in the exhibition class (which the CJ-6 falls) that has the same
> (unchanged) external configuration as a aircraft built at least 30 years
> ago (the CJ-6 has not changed from 1963 through 2001 (except for cost)
> May be operated without displaying marks in accordance with 45.23
> through 45.33 which lets us go without the experimental word in
> paragraph 20.
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Are you saying then that I dont have to have the word experimental on both
my airplanes which are more that 30 years old???
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Re:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> See 8130.2D (page 8)
> 17. Display of Nationality and Reg marks on antique and antique replica
> aircraft.
>
> Basically it states that the aircraft must be at least 30 years old. Next
> go down the page to para "d" where it states that and I quote, "In
addition,
> 4523(b) provides that when the appropriate symbol is used with the
> nationality and registration marks with 45.22(b)(1)(ii), the words
> "limited", "restricted", or "experiential" are not required to be
displayed
> on the aircraft.
>
> I don't have the time to sit and re type the entire text of this reg and
> have no way to scan it into a email but if anyone out there requires in
fax
> form I would be glad to send it to them.
>
> Always yakin,
> doug
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by:
> >
> > From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> > To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:11:12 -0500
> >
> > My FSDO is like yours. You must have Experimental. I would love to find
a
> > way around it, because it makes for a better paint job. If anyone finds
> > something in writing I would like to see it.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:adsavar@gte.net]
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> >
> > I wish our FSDO was that flexible.
> > Dennis Savarese
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade"
> <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
> > >
> > > I asked the same question and my FSDO inspector said if I have an X in
> the
> > N
> > > number then I don't need to display "experimental". Others will chime
> in
> > > with the regs - We've done if for a Yak-52 and an IAR 823.
> > >
> > > Reade Genzlinger
> > > Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
> > > 215.914.0370
> > > 215.790.6212 fax
> > > readeg@cairnwood.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> > > Subject:
> > >
> > >
> > > {SPAM?} Header
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by:
> > >
> > > From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> > > To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
> > > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:50:04 -0500
> > >
> > > Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at.
They
> > work
> > > as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on
the
> > > David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they
were
> > the
> > > leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to
wiring
> > > them?
> > >
> > > Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the
airplane
> > it
> > > did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I
> ask
> > > about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X,
> it
> > > wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been
> through
> > > the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they
never
> > > heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner
> > make
> > > a mistake and get by with it for years?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
> > > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Yak-List: RE:
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
> > >
> > > Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I
LOVE
> > > my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
> > > comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
> > > box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
> > > AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
> > > I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
> > > Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
> > > IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
> > > TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I
was
> > > REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many
years
> > > of enjoying the noise.
> > >
> > > Lee Taylor
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: YPA Transitional Brief on NOMEX and other items |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Well if money is no object then you can go to http://www.flightsuits.com for
all your needs, but they're ridiculously expensive. I was able to buy my
wife a brand new US military issue in the bag flight suit last year at
oshkosh from one of the surplus tents for $40.00.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deon Esterhuizen" <desterhuizen@hyphos360.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: YPA Transitional Brief on NOMEX and other items
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Deon Esterhuizen"
<desterhuizen@hyphos360.com>
>
> Where is the best place to purchase Nomax suit and gloves - I was lucky
> with the helmet - got it as a gift from my wife.
> Deon
> N192YK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Schrick [mailto:schrick@pacbell.net]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: YPA Transitional Brief on NOMEX and other items
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
>
> Frank,
>
> This has nothing to do with combat. Personally, I have seen several
> engine
> fires in both CJ's and Yak 52 and hope no one ever gets burned. Because
> of
> this, NOMEX is a SAFETY regulation not a "play Air Force/Navy" thing.
>
> If you wish to wear flip flops, shorts, t-shirt because it is
> comfortable in
> the cockpit then so be it but I hope no one every has to visit a friend
> in a
> BURN CENTER and see and smell the after math. It is one that you will
> never
> forget and I don't mind sweating a little bit more to wear the
> following:
>
> 1. Parachutes
> 2. NOMEX Flight Suit and gloves
> 3. Laced up boots for support
> 4. Helmet with visor
>
> Since I don't fly straight and level very often anymore, I always wear a
> parachute and do not look at it as an "expensive seat cushion".
> Everything I
> have in the cockpit is for safety and something I felt was necessary for
> flight safety.
>
> Think about people...........We are a professional group and we should
> act
> like a professional group by demonstrating group safety and being poster
> Children of air safety for all signatory groups to look up to. Only way
> that
> can happen is through TRAINING, and PERSONAL DEMONSTRATION to all that
> know
> you. Remember ONE person can make this group like GOOD or really BAD.
> Which
> one do you want to be?
>
> Good luck out there.............and be safe.
>
> Mark "SHREK" Schrick
> Yak 52 Owner and NOMEX, Helmet, and Parachute wearer
>
> Mark (SHREK) Schrick
>
> YAK Driver, Inc
> Western USA Dealer for AEROSTAR (Yak 52TW/W)
> 966 Wallace Drive
> San Jose, CA 95120
> (408) 323-5150 phone/fax
> (408) 391-6664 cell
> www.yakdriver.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: YPA Transitional Brief
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Per Drew's The MTW/OSH Transitional Brief.........
>
> These are MANDATORY items if you fly in an association funded, managed,
> sponsored event or flight.
>
> 1. Parachutes
> 2. Nomex Flight Suit
> 3. No open toed shoes
>
> Drew, yaksters;
> As far as I know the Yak group is the only group I know of that requires
> #2 of your requirements....ie, a Nomex Flight Suit in order to be
> included in All Red Star activities. What's up with that? I understand
> the safety implications but then why do other fast groups not require
> it? Fer cryin' out loud...we're not involved in combat activities here!
> If it's an image kind of thing then you are in fact being exclusive.
>
> I'm open to your reasoning on this issue.
>
> Frank
> N9110M
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
In order to have the 2 inch numbers you need to have a letter from EAA.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: <eyeballs@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
> --> Yak-List message posted by: <eyeballs@cox.net>
>
> Those same regulations allow us to have TWO inch letters and they may be
placed ANYWHERE on the side of the aircraft! So you can tuck the N number
UNDER the horizontal where it is hardly visable.
>
> I learned to carry copies of the regs along with my operating limitations
and program letter from Rich Tichacek. When the Feds ranp checked his CJ
in California and tried to bust him for the two letter N number and the lack
of the EXPERIMENTAL placard, he showed them the regs. Their response was
that the regulation was stupid. But Rich pointed out that it was their
regulation. So they went away.
>
> Jim Shafer
> CJ 360EB
>
>
> > As you know almost all FAR's have some hidden small print. Paragraph 20
> > states Experimental must be on the aircraft in accordance with part
> > 45.23 (b). Skip now to the section of 45.22 part 3 (b) mid page that
> > states that a U.S. registered aircraft with a experimental certificate
> > in the exhibition class (which the CJ-6 falls) that has the same
> > (unchanged) external configuration as a aircraft built at least 30 years
> > ago (the CJ-6 has not changed from 1963 through 2001 (except for cost)
> > May be operated without displaying marks in accordance with 45.23
> > through 45.33 which lets us go without the experimental word in
> > paragraph 20.
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by:
>
> From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:11:12 -0500
>
> My FSDO is like yours. You must have Experimental. I would love to find a
> way around it, because it makes for a better paint job. If anyone finds
> something in writing I would like to see it.
I made a little placard that I could slip between the canopy and the top of the
rear instrument panel. When you walked up the wing walk there it was but I could
remove it if I was so inclined. It was that way when I took my CFI checkride
and the FSDO inspectors didn't say boo.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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| Subject: | Re: YPA Transitional Brief on NOMEX and other items |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Believe it or not Deon, Ebay has tons of military flight suits for sale.
I've bought 3 off of Ebay and all were just fine. Usually under $35 for
summer weight Nomex.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YPA Transitional Brief on NOMEX and other items
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Well if money is no object then you can go to http://www.flightsuits.com
for
> all your needs, but they're ridiculously expensive. I was able to buy my
> wife a brand new US military issue in the bag flight suit last year at
> oshkosh from one of the surplus tents for $40.00.
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deon Esterhuizen" <desterhuizen@hyphos360.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: YPA Transitional Brief on NOMEX and other items
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Deon Esterhuizen"
> <desterhuizen@hyphos360.com>
> >
> > Where is the best place to purchase Nomax suit and gloves - I was lucky
> > with the helmet - got it as a gift from my wife.
> > Deon
> > N192YK
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Schrick [mailto:schrick@pacbell.net]
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: YPA Transitional Brief on NOMEX and other items
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
> >
> > Frank,
> >
> > This has nothing to do with combat. Personally, I have seen several
> > engine
> > fires in both CJ's and Yak 52 and hope no one ever gets burned. Because
> > of
> > this, NOMEX is a SAFETY regulation not a "play Air Force/Navy" thing.
> >
> > If you wish to wear flip flops, shorts, t-shirt because it is
> > comfortable in
> > the cockpit then so be it but I hope no one every has to visit a friend
> > in a
> > BURN CENTER and see and smell the after math. It is one that you will
> > never
> > forget and I don't mind sweating a little bit more to wear the
> > following:
> >
> > 1. Parachutes
> > 2. NOMEX Flight Suit and gloves
> > 3. Laced up boots for support
> > 4. Helmet with visor
> >
> > Since I don't fly straight and level very often anymore, I always wear a
> > parachute and do not look at it as an "expensive seat cushion".
> > Everything I
> > have in the cockpit is for safety and something I felt was necessary for
> > flight safety.
> >
> > Think about people...........We are a professional group and we should
> > act
> > like a professional group by demonstrating group safety and being poster
> > Children of air safety for all signatory groups to look up to. Only way
> > that
> > can happen is through TRAINING, and PERSONAL DEMONSTRATION to all that
> > know
> > you. Remember ONE person can make this group like GOOD or really BAD.
> > Which
> > one do you want to be?
> >
> > Good luck out there.............and be safe.
> >
> > Mark "SHREK" Schrick
> > Yak 52 Owner and NOMEX, Helmet, and Parachute wearer
> >
> > Mark (SHREK) Schrick
> >
> > YAK Driver, Inc
> > Western USA Dealer for AEROSTAR (Yak 52TW/W)
> > 966 Wallace Drive
> > San Jose, CA 95120
> > (408) 323-5150 phone/fax
> > (408) 391-6664 cell
> > www.yakdriver.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: YPA Transitional Brief
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> > <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Per Drew's The MTW/OSH Transitional Brief.........
> >
> > These are MANDATORY items if you fly in an association funded, managed,
> > sponsored event or flight.
> >
> > 1. Parachutes
> > 2. Nomex Flight Suit
> > 3. No open toed shoes
> >
> > Drew, yaksters;
> > As far as I know the Yak group is the only group I know of that requires
> > #2 of your requirements....ie, a Nomex Flight Suit in order to be
> > included in All Red Star activities. What's up with that? I understand
> > the safety implications but then why do other fast groups not require
> > it? Fer cryin' out loud...we're not involved in combat activities here!
> > If it's an image kind of thing then you are in fact being exclusive.
> >
> > I'm open to your reasoning on this issue.
> >
> > Frank
> > N9110M
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Ernie wrote:
> I used to think that my lightspeeds were better than my DC's untill I put in
> a high noise intercomm in my CJ, My old intercom allowed me to turn the
> volume way up, so both headsets seemed to work ok, they would block out the
> low freq stuff and it seemed to quiet the noise. But as soon as I went to
> the high noise intercomm I could hardly hear anything with the light speeds,
> but heard much better with the DC's. I sent the light speeds back thinking
> that there was something wrong with the headsets, they were sent back as
> fine.
It could also be microphone noise pickup. That is a problem that most of the headset
manufacturers ignore. (Sigtronics has a high-noise rejection mic.) The
mic feeds that noise back into the intercom and nullifies a lot of what you wear
a headset for. I have been trying to get headset manufacturers to specify
their noise rejection but haven't gotten very far.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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| Subject: | Re: YPA Transitional Brief on NOMEX and other items |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Deon Esterhuizen wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Deon Esterhuizen" <desterhuizen@hyphos360.com>
>
> Where is the best place to purchase Nomax suit and gloves - I was lucky
> with the helmet - got it as a gift from my wife.
Flight Suits Ltd, in El Cajon, CA, near San Diego.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Excellent point
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: headsets
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> Ernie wrote:
>
> > I used to think that my lightspeeds were better than my DC's untill I
put in
> > a high noise intercomm in my CJ, My old intercom allowed me to turn the
> > volume way up, so both headsets seemed to work ok, they would block out
the
> > low freq stuff and it seemed to quiet the noise. But as soon as I went
to
> > the high noise intercomm I could hardly hear anything with the light
speeds,
> > but heard much better with the DC's. I sent the light speeds back
thinking
> > that there was something wrong with the headsets, they were sent back as
> > fine.
>
> It could also be microphone noise pickup. That is a problem that most of
the headset manufacturers ignore. (Sigtronics has a high-noise rejection
mic.) The mic feeds that noise back into the intercom and nullifies a lot
of what you wear a headset for. I have been trying to get headset
manufacturers to specify their noise rejection but haven't gotten very far.
>
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> GMT-4
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
There's a new one on me. Where did that come from? The EAA has been
given regulatory powers? I have applied 2" N-Numbers to various
aircraft for years within the guildelines of the FAR's and never heard
of this.
Jim
Ernie wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
>In order to have the 2 inch numbers you need to have a letter from EAA.
>
>Ernie
>
>
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| Subject: | Too much headset info |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
Lightspeeds:
As Brian has pointed out the earlier LightSPEED headsets had some design
details that led to cracking of the stirrups and headbands. However,
any headset from the XL series forward has had those items improved to
stop the cracking. If you've ever talked to LightSPEED on the phone you
will see that they are more than willing to repair or replace most any
headset for you at no cost, despite the age or warranty status of the
unit. Outstanding customer support. They will also give you the option
of sending your unit in for them to do the repairs or if you so desire
they will send you the improved parts so that you can do the repair in
the field (I did this on the stirrups due to an upcoming trip timing).
The reason I found not to use the LightSPEEDs in the CJ were due to
their noise canceling circuitry. Especially the higher-dollar 25XL or
30. They try so hard to actively suppress the noise that you can start
to get choppy feedback due to their sensitivity. I found this not to be
the case with Denali ANRs, Telex Echelon ANR's, and Bose X. I also
found that switching my CJ intercom out for a PM1000 high-noise version
helped the problem.
However, just like Brian, I use LightSPEEDs exclusively for the Piper
Comanche because they really seem to be in their element there with
unsurpassed comfort and stereo fidelity.
Based on the different headsets I own I would rate them as follows (in
order of preference):
LightSPEEDs - Own 3. Best all-around headset but only seem to work in
a CJ with high-noise ICS like PM1000 or Sigtronics. Uses two AA
batteries (most common)
Bose X - Access to 1. Wonderful all-around headsets that cost too damn
much (their only real negative). The one I have access to is not mine
so I don't use it much. These are something you would never leave in
the cockpit and would always take home with you at night.
Telex Echelon 150 ANR - Own 1. Great headset with ponderous separate
battery box. Not as comfortable or quiet as the Lightspeeds but very
functional in a CJ right out of the box. Rugged metal construction and
seemingly high-quality components. Uses 9v transistor battery. I
always use this one in the CJ.
Flightcom Denali ANR - Own 2. The least amount of noise passive
protection and a little floppy on the head. Seem adequate with
electronics turned on. They also use a 9v transistor battery. Very light.
Flightcom Denali Passive - Own 1. One step up from using a cabin
speaker. No meaningful passive protection. Good to give away to
somebody you don't like.
I suppose if I needed a unit to install into a helmet (i.e. traditional
construction with metal stirrups) I might investigate a Flightcom 5DX
ANR or one of the David Clark models.
Jim Ivey
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
I can't site title and veerse right now but... I owned NX52CG for two
years. I took my DPE annual rides with the local fed (DEN FSDO) in this
Yak-52. DEN FSDO knows about the X vs. expermental and had no problem
with it. That is no "expermental" on a/c just NX52CG on tail. NX52CG on
registration and airworthiness also. Tom Fortchner is the Fed's name.
Respectfully, Rick
>>> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com 8/7/2003 6:50:40 AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by:
From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at. They
work
as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on
the
David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they were
the
leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to
wiring
them?
Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the
airplane it
did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I
ask
about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X,
it
wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been
through
the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they
never
heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner
make
a mistake and get by with it for years?
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
Subject: Yak-List: RE:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I
LOVE
my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I
was
REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many
years
of enjoying the noise.
Lee Taylor
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Yep its true, I'll look for the info, its basically a waiver that EAA had
fought for. In order to get the letter you must send a picture of your plane
to the EAA, they then send you this letter stating this that and the other
regarding 2" numbers. The exemption was granted to EAA and the CAF, and its
members only. The exemption has expired as of Feb 2003, and I'm sure the EAA
has gotten an extension. I have not re-applied with EAA for my new letter
(which miust be carried in the airplane with the picture that was submitted)
the exemption letter is void upon
a. sale of the aircraft, which the new owner must then apply through EAA
b. A change in paint scheme.
c. The EAA's exemption expires, I beleive the exemption is only for 2
year periods where the EAA/CAF must apply for extensions.
If someone would like copies of the EAA letters and the actual petition
which was sent to the FAA I'd be happy to fax it.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
>
> There's a new one on me. Where did that come from? The EAA has been
> given regulatory powers? I have applied 2" N-Numbers to various
> aircraft for years within the guildelines of the FAR's and never heard
> of this.
>
> Jim
>
> Ernie wrote:
>
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> >
> >In order to have the 2 inch numbers you need to have a letter from EAA.
> >
> >Ernie
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: <johnhilterman1@cox.net>
Ernie,
I'll take a copy of each. 405-285-6616
Thanks
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernie
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Yep its true, I'll look for the info, its basically a waiver that EAA had
fought for. In order to get the letter you must send a picture of your plane
to the EAA, they then send you this letter stating this that and the other
regarding 2" numbers. The exemption was granted to EAA and the CAF, and its
members only. The exemption has expired as of Feb 2003, and I'm sure the EAA
has gotten an extension. I have not re-applied with EAA for my new letter
(which miust be carried in the airplane with the picture that was submitted)
the exemption letter is void upon
a. sale of the aircraft, which the new owner must then apply through EAA
b. A change in paint scheme.
c. The EAA's exemption expires, I beleive the exemption is only for 2
year periods where the EAA/CAF must apply for extensions.
If someone would like copies of the EAA letters and the actual petition
which was sent to the FAA I'd be happy to fax it.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
>
> There's a new one on me. Where did that come from? The EAA has been
> given regulatory powers? I have applied 2" N-Numbers to various
> aircraft for years within the guildelines of the FAR's and never heard
> of this.
>
> Jim
>
> Ernie wrote:
>
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> >
> >In order to have the 2 inch numbers you need to have a letter from EAA.
> >
> >Ernie
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to
wiring
them?
NO. As far as I know, all of the headsets are simple plug-in
items. I don't know of any that require nonstandard wiring.
One thing. My only experience with noise-cancelling sets is the
Lightspeed, and some very brief Bose. Bose is excellent, but HEAVY!
(and way too expensive). Haven't been able to try the new ones.
The other guys are much better at making comparisons. I have had
one friend borrow my Lightspeed for an open-cockpit check in a
Skybolt--he returned them in a hurry--apparently that is too high a
noise environment for them.
Lee Taylor
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--> Yak-List message posted by: <johnhilterman1@cox.net>
Got it...thanks Ernie.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernie
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Yep its true, I'll look for the info, its basically a waiver that EAA had
fought for. In order to get the letter you must send a picture of your plane
to the EAA, they then send you this letter stating this that and the other
regarding 2" numbers. The exemption was granted to EAA and the CAF, and its
members only. The exemption has expired as of Feb 2003, and I'm sure the EAA
has gotten an extension. I have not re-applied with EAA for my new letter
(which miust be carried in the airplane with the picture that was submitted)
the exemption letter is void upon
a. sale of the aircraft, which the new owner must then apply through EAA
b. A change in paint scheme.
c. The EAA's exemption expires, I beleive the exemption is only for 2
year periods where the EAA/CAF must apply for extensions.
If someone would like copies of the EAA letters and the actual petition
which was sent to the FAA I'd be happy to fax it.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
>
> There's a new one on me. Where did that come from? The EAA has been
> given regulatory powers? I have applied 2" N-Numbers to various
> aircraft for years within the guildelines of the FAR's and never heard
> of this.
>
> Jim
>
> Ernie wrote:
>
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> >
> >In order to have the 2 inch numbers you need to have a letter from EAA.
> >
> >Ernie
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by:
Subject: NX marking 45.22
Sec. 45.22
Exhibition, antique, and other aircraft: Special rules.
(a) When display of aircraft nationality and registration marks in
accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33 would be inconsistent
with exhibition of that aircraft, a U.S.-registered aircraft may be operated
without displaying those marks anywhere on the aircraft if:
(1) It is operated for the purpose of exhibition, including a motion picture
or television production, or an airshow;
(2) Except for practice and test fights necessary for exhibition purposes,
it is operated only at the location of the exhibition, between the
exhibition locations, and between those locations and the base of operations
of the aircraft; and
(3) For each flight in the United States:
(i) It is operated with the prior approval of the Flight Standards District
Office, in the case of a flight within the lateral boundaries of the surface
areas of Class B, Class C, Class D, or Class E airspace designated for the
takeoff airport, or within 4.4 nautical miles of that airport if it is
within
Class G airspace; or
(ii) It is operated under a flight plan filed under either Sec. 91.153 or
Sec. 91.169 of this chapter describing the marks it displays, in the case of
any other flight.
(b) A small U.S.-registered aircraft built at least 30 years ago or a
U.S.-registered aircraft for which an experimental certificate has been
issued under Sec. 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operation as an exhibition
aircraft or as an amateur-built aircraft and which has the same external
configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago may be operated
without displaying marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through
45.33 if:
(1) It displays in accordance with Sec. 45.21(c) marks at least 2 inches
high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface consisting of the
Roman capital letter "N" followed by:
(i) The U.S. registration number of the aircraft; or
(ii) The symbol appropriate to the airworthiness certificate of the aircraft
("C", standard; "R", restricted; "L", limited; or "X", experimental)
followed by the U.S. registration number of the aircraft; and
(2) It displays no other mark that begins with the letter "N" anywhere on
the aircraft, unless it is the same mark that is displayed under paragraph
(b)(1) of this section.
(c) No person may operate an aircraft under paragraph (a) or (b) of this
section--
(1) In an ADIZ or DEWIZ described in Part 99 of this chapter unless it
temporarily bears marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through
45.33;
(2) In a foreign country unless that country consents to that operation; or
[(3) In any operation conducted under Part 121, 133, 135, or 137 of this
chapter.]
(d) If, due to the configuration of an aircraft, it is impossible for a
person to mark it in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33, he
may apply to the Administrator for a different marking procedure.
Amdt. 45-22, Eff. 4/27/2001
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--> Yak-List message posted by:
Subject: NX Number
I just got off the phone with the Feds and think I understand. You can use
the NX number but experimental must be displayed somewhere that anyone
getting in the airplane can see. It doesn't have to be on the outside. He
suggested I put experimental in 2in letters on the inside of the cockpit
where any one that rode with me could see. Part 45.22 allows you to add the
X to your N number. I don't know why I would want to. The less the better.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Basiliere [mailto:BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us]
Subject: Yak-List: Re:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
<BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
I can't site title and veerse right now but... I owned NX52CG for two
years. I took my DPE annual rides with the local fed (DEN FSDO) in this
Yak-52. DEN FSDO knows about the X vs. expermental and had no problem
with it. That is no "expermental" on a/c just NX52CG on tail. NX52CG on
registration and airworthiness also. Tom Fortchner is the Fed's name.
Respectfully, Rick
>>> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com 8/7/2003 6:50:40 AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by:
From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at. They
work
as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on
the
David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they were
the
leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to
wiring
them?
Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the
airplane it
did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I
ask
about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X,
it
wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been
through
the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they
never
heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner
make
a mistake and get by with it for years?
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
Subject: Yak-List: RE:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I
LOVE
my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I
was
REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many
years
of enjoying the noise.
Lee Taylor
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
This is a classic example of the problem, your fellow has interpreted the
regs to mean that the word "experimental" in 2 inch letters can be anywhere.
My FSDO claims that they MUST be on the outside just below the canopy rails.
Since they had the magic ink pen that day, they of course were right. In
my case the NX makes sense, because according to my FSDO the 2 inch letters
are not required now.....anywhere. The guy just suggested it would be a
good idea to place a small placard in the rear cockpit. This is a very good
example of various FSDO's interpreting the regs differently. It would be
interesting to send your guy a letter requesting their reading on the
matter, in writing, and on their letter head. My money is on the bet that
you would get a somewhat different answer, because he would consult with his
supervisor before he put anything in writing. Different guy, different day,
different answer.
Best,
Doug Sapp
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
> --> Yak-List message posted by:
>
> From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: NX Number
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:29:53 -0500
>
> I just got off the phone with the Feds and think I understand. You can use
> the NX number but experimental must be displayed somewhere that anyone
> getting in the airplane can see. It doesn't have to be on the outside. He
> suggested I put experimental in 2in letters on the inside of the cockpit
> where any one that rode with me could see. Part 45.22 allows you to add
the
> X to your N number. I don't know why I would want to. The less the better.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Basiliere [mailto:BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re:
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
> <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>
> I can't site title and veerse right now but... I owned NX52CG for two
> years. I took my DPE annual rides with the local fed (DEN FSDO) in this
> Yak-52. DEN FSDO knows about the X vs. expermental and had no problem
> with it. That is no "expermental" on a/c just NX52CG on tail. NX52CG on
> registration and airworthiness also. Tom Fortchner is the Fed's name.
> Respectfully, Rick
>
> >>> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com 8/7/2003 6:50:40 AM >>>
> --> Yak-List message posted by:
>
> From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:50:04 -0500
>
> Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at. They
> work
> as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on
> the
> David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they were
> the
> leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to
> wiring
> them?
>
> Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the
> airplane it
> did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I
> ask
> about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X,
> it
> wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been
> through
> the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they
> never
> heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner
> make
> a mistake and get by with it for years?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: RE:
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
>
> Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I
> LOVE
> my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
> comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
> box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
> AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
> I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
> Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
> IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
> TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I
> was
> REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many
> years
> of enjoying the noise.
>
> Lee Taylor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: N number and Experimental |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Why? Using the X is an approved alternative.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> The FSDO may be flexible, but if you get ramp checked somewhere outside of
> your FSDO's area, you may be in for a suprise.
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> >
> > I wish our FSDO was that flexible.
> > Dennis Savarese
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade"
> <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
> > >
> > > I asked the same question and my FSDO inspector said if I have an X in
> the
> > N
> > > number then I don't need to display "experimental". Others will chime
> in
> > > with the regs - We've done if for a Yak-52 and an IAR 823.
> > >
> > > Reade Genzlinger
> > > Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
> > > 215.914.0370
> > > 215.790.6212 fax
> > > readeg@cairnwood.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> > > Subject:
> > >
> > >
> > > {SPAM?} Header
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by:
> > >
> > > From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> > > To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
> > > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:50:04 -0500
> > >
> > > Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at.
They
> > work
> > > as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on
the
> > > David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they
were
> > the
> > > leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to
wiring
> > > them?
> > >
> > > Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the
airplane
> > it
> > > did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I
> ask
> > > about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X,
> it
> > > wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been
> through
> > > the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they
never
> > > heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner
> > make
> > > a mistake and get by with it for years?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
> > > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Yak-List: RE:
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
> > >
> > > Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I
LOVE
> > > my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
> > > comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
> > > box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
> > > AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
> > > I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
> > > Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
> > > IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
> > > TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I
was
> > > REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many
years
> > > of enjoying the noise.
> > >
> > > Lee Taylor
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: <eyeballs@cox.net>
The crux of this matter is in the line (b). You do not need to conform to FAR
Secs. 45.21 and 45.23. These are the rules regarding the size and placement of
N numbers and the presence of the EXPERIMENTAL placard. Period, end of requirements.
If you carry a copy of the FAR's with 45.21, 45.22, and 45.23 (about
three pages, you can show them to any FSDO jerk and he will have to back down.
Sec. 45.22
Exhibition, antique, and other aircraft: Special rules.
(b) A small U.S.-registered aircraft built at least 30 years ago or a
> U.S.-registered aircraft for which an experimental certificate has been
> issued under Sec. 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operation as an exhibition
> aircraft or as an amateur-built aircraft and which has the same external
> configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago may be operated
> without displaying marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through
> 45.33 if:
> (1) It displays in accordance with Sec. 45.21(c) marks at least 2 inches
> high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface consisting of the
> Roman capital letter "N" followed by:
> (i) The U.S. registration number of the aircraft; or
> (ii) The symbol appropriate to the airworthiness certificate of the aircraft
> ("C", standard; "R", restricted; "L", limited; or "X", experimental)
> followed by the U.S. registration number of the aircraft; and
> (2) It displays no other mark that begins with the letter "N" anywhere on
> the aircraft, unless it is the same mark that is displayed under paragraph
> (b)(1) of this section.
> (c) No person may operate an aircraft under paragraph (a) or (b) of this
> section--
> (1) In an ADIZ or DEWIZ described in Part 99 of this chapter unless it
> temporarily bears marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through
> 45.33;
> (2) In a foreign country unless that country consents to that operation; or
> [(3) In any operation conducted under Part 121, 133, 135, or 137 of this
> chapter.]
> (d) If, due to the configuration of an aircraft, it is impossible for a
> person to mark it in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33, he
> may apply to the Administrator for a different marking procedure.
>
>
> Amdt. 45-22, Eff. 4/27/2001
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Registration |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
With regards to Small N numbers
http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/programs/smalln.html
Apparently I didnt need to apply for it since both my airplanes are less
than 12,500 lbs.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: <eyeballs@cox.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Registration
> --> Yak-List message posted by: <eyeballs@cox.net>
>
> The crux of this matter is in the line (b). You do not need to conform to
FAR Secs. 45.21 and 45.23. These are the rules regarding the size and
placement of N numbers and the presence of the EXPERIMENTAL placard.
Period, end of requirements. If you carry a copy of the FAR's with 45.21,
45.22, and 45.23 (about three pages, you can show them to any FSDO jerk and
he will have to back down.
>
> Sec. 45.22
>
> Exhibition, antique, and other aircraft: Special rules.
>
> (b) A small U.S.-registered aircraft built at least 30 years ago or a
> > U.S.-registered aircraft for which an experimental certificate has been
> > issued under Sec. 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operation as an exhibition
> > aircraft or as an amateur-built aircraft and which has the same external
> > configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago may be operated
> > without displaying marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23
through
> > 45.33 if:
> > (1) It displays in accordance with Sec. 45.21(c) marks at least 2 inches
> > high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface consisting of
the
> > Roman capital letter "N" followed by:
> > (i) The U.S. registration number of the aircraft; or
> > (ii) The symbol appropriate to the airworthiness certificate of the
aircraft
> > ("C", standard; "R", restricted; "L", limited; or "X", experimental)
> > followed by the U.S. registration number of the aircraft; and
> > (2) It displays no other mark that begins with the letter "N" anywhere
on
> > the aircraft, unless it is the same mark that is displayed under
paragraph
> > (b)(1) of this section.
> > (c) No person may operate an aircraft under paragraph (a) or (b) of this
> > section--
> > (1) In an ADIZ or DEWIZ described in Part 99 of this chapter unless it
> > temporarily bears marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through
> > 45.33;
> > (2) In a foreign country unless that country consents to that operation;
or
> > [(3) In any operation conducted under Part 121, 133, 135, or 137 of this
> > chapter.]
> > (d) If, due to the configuration of an aircraft, it is impossible for a
> > person to mark it in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through
45.33, he
> > may apply to the Administrator for a different marking procedure.
> >
> >
> > Amdt. 45-22, Eff. 4/27/2001
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Registration |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
45.21-23 have so many ANDs and ORs in them that it gets to be a matter of
interpreting which things go with which AND or OR and that's what seems to
flumux the FSDO guys. It helps to take a yellow marker and group things
the way YOU'd like to see them associated.
In the end playing the "exhibition" card seems to work... as in, "If this
airplane were in a war movie, you wouldn't want giant tail numbers on it"
-- and being in a movie is one of the few things you can do (supposedly)
with an experimental exhibition airplane.
Note that the X in NX123AB is part of the MARKINGS OF THE AIRPLANE and not
part of the registration... you'll get the "They stopped the X, C, L
registration numbers a long time ago" bit, too. You answer, "I know...
it's not part of the registration, it's part of the markings" -- and then
whip out the FARs. In fact, keep them in your pants pockets under your
flight suit so you can reach in while saying, "Pardon me while I whip this
out". :-)
Jon
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> With regards to Small N numbers
> http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/programs/smalln.html
>
> Apparently I didnt need to apply for it since both my airplanes are less
> than 12,500 lbs.
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <eyeballs@cox.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Registration
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: <eyeballs@cox.net>
>>
>> The crux of this matter is in the line (b). You do not need to
>> conform to
> FAR Secs. 45.21 and 45.23. These are the rules regarding the size and
> placement of N numbers and the presence of the EXPERIMENTAL placard.
> Period, end of requirements. If you carry a copy of the FAR's with
> 45.21, 45.22, and 45.23 (about three pages, you can show them to any
> FSDO jerk and he will have to back down.
>>
>> Sec. 45.22
>>
>> Exhibition, antique, and other aircraft: Special rules.
>>
>> (b) A small U.S.-registered aircraft built at least 30 years ago or a
>> > U.S.-registered aircraft for which an experimental certificate has
>> been issued under Sec. 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operation as an
>> exhibition aircraft or as an amateur-built aircraft and which has
>> the same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30
>> years ago may be operated without displaying marks in accordance
>> with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23
> through
>> > 45.33 if:
>> > (1) It displays in accordance with Sec. 45.21(c) marks at least 2
>> inches high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface
>> consisting of
> the
>> > Roman capital letter "N" followed by:
>> > (i) The U.S. registration number of the aircraft; or
>> > (ii) The symbol appropriate to the airworthiness certificate of the
> aircraft
>> > ("C", standard; "R", restricted; "L", limited; or "X", experimental)
>> followed by the U.S. registration number of the aircraft; and
>> > (2) It displays no other mark that begins with the letter "N"
>> anywhere
> on
>> > the aircraft, unless it is the same mark that is displayed under
> paragraph
>> > (b)(1) of this section.
>> > (c) No person may operate an aircraft under paragraph (a) or (b) of
>> this section--
>> > (1) In an ADIZ or DEWIZ described in Part 99 of this chapter unless
>> it temporarily bears marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23
>> through 45.33;
>> > (2) In a foreign country unless that country consents to that
>> operation;
> or
>> > [(3) In any operation conducted under Part 121, 133, 135, or 137 of
>> this chapter.]
>> > (d) If, due to the configuration of an aircraft, it is impossible
>> for a person to mark it in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23
>> through
> 45.33, he
>> > may apply to the Administrator for a different marking procedure.
>> >
>> >
>> > Amdt. 45-22, Eff. 4/27/2001
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Registration |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
If you're straight "experimental" that's one thing... if you're
experimental exhibition then "for operation as an exhibition aircraft"
applies to you and you don't need a waiver from the EAA or nuthin' -- but
it is a really good idea to carry the FAR printed from their own web site
and then take a yellow highlighter to it. Note the "OR"s in there...
built 30 years ago *OR* under 21.191(d,g) exhibition *OR* 30 years ago.
See how they can choose to confuse if they want to... but in the end
there's only one way to read it since it says "OR" and if they try to
group things so that you need to meet the 30-year requirement you can say
"well what's this OR for then?"
Jon
> --> Yak-List message posted by: <eyeballs@cox.net>
>
> The crux of this matter is in the line (b). You do not need to conform
> to FAR Secs. 45.21 and 45.23. These are the rules regarding the size
> and placement of N numbers and the presence of the EXPERIMENTAL placard.
> Period, end of requirements. If you carry a copy of the FAR's with
> 45.21, 45.22, and 45.23 (about three pages, you can show them to any
> FSDO jerk and he will have to back down.
>
> Sec. 45.22
>
> Exhibition, antique, and other aircraft: Special rules.
>
> (b) A small U.S.-registered aircraft built at least 30 years ago or a
>> U.S.-registered aircraft for which an experimental certificate has
>> been issued under Sec. 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operation as an
>> exhibition aircraft or as an amateur-built aircraft and which has the
>> same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago
>> may be operated without displaying marks in accordance with Secs.
>> 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33 if:
>> (1) It displays in accordance with Sec. 45.21(c) marks at least 2
>> inches high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface
>> consisting of the Roman capital letter "N" followed by:
>> (i) The U.S. registration number of the aircraft; or
>> (ii) The symbol appropriate to the airworthiness certificate of the
>> aircraft ("C", standard; "R", restricted; "L", limited; or "X",
>> experimental) followed by the U.S. registration number of the
>> aircraft; and
>> (2) It displays no other mark that begins with the letter "N" anywhere
>> on the aircraft, unless it is the same mark that is displayed under
>> paragraph (b)(1) of this section.
>> (c) No person may operate an aircraft under paragraph (a) or (b) of
>> this section--
>> (1) In an ADIZ or DEWIZ described in Part 99 of this chapter unless it
>> temporarily bears marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23
>> through 45.33;
>> (2) In a foreign country unless that country consents to that
>> operation; or [(3) In any operation conducted under Part 121, 133,
>> 135, or 137 of this chapter.]
>> (d) If, due to the configuration of an aircraft, it is impossible for
>> a person to mark it in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through
>> 45.33, he may apply to the Administrator for a different marking
>> procedure.
>>
>>
>> Amdt. 45-22, Eff. 4/27/2001
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fw: headset wiring |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Weidhaas" <mark@alternativesolar.com>
Hello fellow Yak owners!
I am new Yak 52 owner and new to the list. Does anyone have any wiring specs.
to convert the single Russian headset plug over to the US dual plug configuration?
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. This years All Red Star convention
was great and look forward to participating next year!
Mark Weidhaas
(909) 202-8608
N5287
email mark@alternativesolar.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Weidhaas" <mark@alternativesolar.com>
Hello fellow Yak owners!
I am new Yak 52 owner and new to the list. Does anyone have any wiring specs.
to convert the single Russian headset plug over to the US dual plug configuration?
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. This years All Red Star convention
was great and look forward to participating next year!
Mark Weidhaas
(909) 202-8608
N5287
email mark@alternativesolar.com
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| Subject: | YPA Transitional Brief |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Ernie, your a riot
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernie
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YPA Transitional Brief
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
If I didnt wear my flight suit then I wouldnt have anywhere to hang my
patches.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: YPA Transitional Brief
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Per Drew's The MTW/OSH Transitional Brief.........
>
> These are MANDATORY items if you fly in an association funded, managed,
> sponsored event or flight.
>
> 1. Parachutes
> 2. Nomex Flight Suit
> 3. No open toed shoes
>
> Drew, yaksters;
> As far as I know the Yak group is the only group I know of that requires
> #2 of your requirements....ie, a Nomex Flight Suit in order to be
> included in All Red Star activities. What's up with that? I understand
> the safety implications but then why do other fast groups not require
> it? Fer cryin' out loud...we're not involved in combat activities here!
> If it's an image kind of thing then you are in fact being exclusive.
>
> I'm open to your reasoning on this issue.
>
> Frank
> N9110M
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
My experimental sticker is inside the cockpit along the back shelf behind
the passenger. This is visible to passengers without being too intrusive.
I can send pictures if needed.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
Subject:
--> Yak-List message posted by:
From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
My FSDO is like yours. You must have Experimental. I would love to find a
way around it, because it makes for a better paint job. If anyone finds
something in writing I would like to see it.
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:adsavar@gte.net]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
I wish our FSDO was that flexible.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
Subject: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
>
> I asked the same question and my FSDO inspector said if I have an X in the
N
> number then I don't need to display "experimental". Others will chime in
> with the regs - We've done if for a Yak-52 and an IAR 823.
>
> Reade Genzlinger
> Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
> 215.914.0370
> 215.790.6212 fax
> readeg@cairnwood.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> Subject:
>
>
> {SPAM?} Header
> --> Yak-List message posted by:
>
> From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:50:04 -0500
>
> Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at. They
work
> as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on the
> David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they were
the
> leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to wiring
> them?
>
> Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the airplane
it
> did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I ask
> about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X, it
> wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been through
> the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they never
> heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner
make
> a mistake and get by with it for years?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: RE:
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
>
> Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I LOVE
> my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
> comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
> box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
> AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
> I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
> Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
> IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
> TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I was
> REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many years
> of enjoying the noise.
>
> Lee Taylor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
He's tactful. I would have pointed out that the inspector was stupid for
not knowing the FARs.
----- Original Message -----
From: <eyeballs@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
> --> Yak-List message posted by: <eyeballs@cox.net>
>
> Those same regulations allow us to have TWO inch letters and they may be
placed ANYWHERE on the side of the aircraft! So you can tuck the N number
UNDER the horizontal where it is hardly visable.
>
> I learned to carry copies of the regs along with my operating limitations
and program letter from Rich Tichacek. When the Feds ranp checked his CJ
in California and tried to bust him for the two letter N number and the lack
of the EXPERIMENTAL placard, he showed them the regs. Their response was
that the regulation was stupid. But Rich pointed out that it was their
regulation. So they went away.
>
> Jim Shafer
> CJ 360EB
>
>
> > As you know almost all FAR's have some hidden small print. Paragraph 20
> > states Experimental must be on the aircraft in accordance with part
> > 45.23 (b). Skip now to the section of 45.22 part 3 (b) mid page that
> > states that a U.S. registered aircraft with a experimental certificate
> > in the exhibition class (which the CJ-6 falls) that has the same
> > (unchanged) external configuration as a aircraft built at least 30 years
> > ago (the CJ-6 has not changed from 1963 through 2001 (except for cost)
> > May be operated without displaying marks in accordance with 45.23
> > through 45.33 which lets us go without the experimental word in
> > paragraph 20.
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
No, you don't have to have a letter from the FAA for two inch numbers on an
Experimental plane.
Read the FAR.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> In order to have the 2 inch numbers you need to have a letter from EAA.
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <eyeballs@cox.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: <eyeballs@cox.net>
> >
> > Those same regulations allow us to have TWO inch letters and they may be
> placed ANYWHERE on the side of the aircraft! So you can tuck the N number
> UNDER the horizontal where it is hardly visable.
> >
> > I learned to carry copies of the regs along with my operating
limitations
> and program letter from Rich Tichacek. When the Feds ranp checked his
CJ
> in California and tried to bust him for the two letter N number and the
lack
> of the EXPERIMENTAL placard, he showed them the regs. Their response was
> that the regulation was stupid. But Rich pointed out that it was their
> regulation. So they went away.
> >
> > Jim Shafer
> > CJ 360EB
> >
> >
> > > As you know almost all FAR's have some hidden small print. Paragraph
20
> > > states Experimental must be on the aircraft in accordance with part
> > > 45.23 (b). Skip now to the section of 45.22 part 3 (b) mid page that
> > > states that a U.S. registered aircraft with a experimental certificate
> > > in the exhibition class (which the CJ-6 falls) that has the same
> > > (unchanged) external configuration as a aircraft built at least 30
years
> > > ago (the CJ-6 has not changed from 1963 through 2001 (except for cost)
> > > May be operated without displaying marks in accordance with 45.23
> > > through 45.33 which lets us go without the experimental word in
> > > paragraph 20.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
The FAR requiring EXPERIMENTAL doesn't say it has to be outside. It says it
has to be clearly visible to a person entering the plane. You can put it on
the (left) rail inside, but it does have to be 2" high and have the width
and stroke of the N number. IMHO, if you put on the rail you have to put it
in both cockpits to make it clearly visible to the people entering the
plane. The FAR doesn't say specifically say this.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Experimental
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by:
> >
> > From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> > To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: N number and Experimental
> > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:11:12 -0500
> >
> > My FSDO is like yours. You must have Experimental. I would love to find
a
> > way around it, because it makes for a better paint job. If anyone finds
> > something in writing I would like to see it.
>
> I made a little placard that I could slip between the canopy and the top
of the rear instrument panel. When you walked up the wing walk there it was
but I could remove it if I was so inclined. It was that way when I took my
CFI checkride and the FSDO inspectors didn't say boo.
>
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> GMT-4
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Your feds are blowing smoke. Instead of asking them, tell them what you are
going to do and make them show a reg that bans it. There is no point in
putting NX on the plane if you are still going to put the 2" EXPERIMENTAL
placard on it.
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
> --> Yak-List message posted by:
>
> From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: NX Number
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:29:53 -0500
>
> I just got off the phone with the Feds and think I understand. You can use
> the NX number but experimental must be displayed somewhere that anyone
> getting in the airplane can see. It doesn't have to be on the outside. He
> suggested I put experimental in 2in letters on the inside of the cockpit
> where any one that rode with me could see. Part 45.22 allows you to add
the
> X to your N number. I don't know why I would want to. The less the better.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Basiliere [mailto:BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re:
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
> <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>
> I can't site title and veerse right now but... I owned NX52CG for two
> years. I took my DPE annual rides with the local fed (DEN FSDO) in this
> Yak-52. DEN FSDO knows about the X vs. expermental and had no problem
> with it. That is no "expermental" on a/c just NX52CG on tail. NX52CG on
> registration and airworthiness also. Tom Fortchner is the Fed's name.
> Respectfully, Rick
>
> >>> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com 8/7/2003 6:50:40 AM >>>
> --> Yak-List message posted by:
>
> From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:50:04 -0500
>
> Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at. They
> work
> as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on
> the
> David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they were
> the
> leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to
> wiring
> them?
>
> Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the
> airplane it
> did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I
> ask
> about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X,
> it
> wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been
> through
> the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they
> never
> heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner
> make
> a mistake and get by with it for years?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: RE:
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
>
> Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I
> LOVE
> my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
> comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
> box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
> AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
> I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
> Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
> IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
> TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I
> was
> REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many
> years
> of enjoying the noise.
>
> Lee Taylor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
You can leave off the N number and Experimental entirely. The catch is that
you have to notify the feds before each flight. You will notice that in war
movies the planes don't have N numbers because it would look funny on German
planes etc.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Re: NX
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> This is a classic example of the problem, your fellow has interpreted the
> regs to mean that the word "experimental" in 2 inch letters can be
anywhere.
> My FSDO claims that they MUST be on the outside just below the canopy
rails.
> Since they had the magic ink pen that day, they of course were right. In
> my case the NX makes sense, because according to my FSDO the 2 inch
letters
> are not required now.....anywhere. The guy just suggested it would be a
> good idea to place a small placard in the rear cockpit. This is a very
good
> example of various FSDO's interpreting the regs differently. It would be
> interesting to send your guy a letter requesting their reading on the
> matter, in writing, and on their letter head. My money is on the bet that
> you would get a somewhat different answer, because he would consult with
his
> supervisor before he put anything in writing. Different guy, different
day,
> different answer.
>
>
> Best,
> Doug Sapp
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by:
> >
> > From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> > To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: NX Number
> > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:29:53 -0500
> >
> > I just got off the phone with the Feds and think I understand. You can
use
> > the NX number but experimental must be displayed somewhere that anyone
> > getting in the airplane can see. It doesn't have to be on the outside.
He
> > suggested I put experimental in 2in letters on the inside of the cockpit
> > where any one that rode with me could see. Part 45.22 allows you to add
> the
> > X to your N number. I don't know why I would want to. The less the
better.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Basiliere [mailto:BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us]
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re:
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
> > <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
> >
> > I can't site title and veerse right now but... I owned NX52CG for two
> > years. I took my DPE annual rides with the local fed (DEN FSDO) in this
> > Yak-52. DEN FSDO knows about the X vs. expermental and had no problem
> > with it. That is no "expermental" on a/c just NX52CG on tail. NX52CG on
> > registration and airworthiness also. Tom Fortchner is the Fed's name.
> > Respectfully, Rick
> >
> > >>> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com 8/7/2003 6:50:40 AM >>>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by:
> >
> > From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> > To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
> > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:50:04 -0500
> >
> > Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at. They
> > work
> > as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on
> > the
> > David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they were
> > the
> > leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to
> > wiring
> > them?
> >
> > Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the
> > airplane it
> > did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I
> > ask
> > about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X,
> > it
> > wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been
> > through
> > the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they
> > never
> > heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner
> > make
> > a mistake and get by with it for years?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: RE:
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
> >
> > Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I
> > LOVE
> > my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
> > comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
> > box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
> > AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
> > I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
> > Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
> > IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
> > TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I
> > was
> > REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many
> > years
> > of enjoying the noise.
> >
> > Lee Taylor
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
I missed part of this. The feds still license planes in experimental and
restricted categories.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Registration
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> 45.21-23 have so many ANDs and ORs in them that it gets to be a matter of
> interpreting which things go with which AND or OR and that's what seems to
> flumux the FSDO guys. It helps to take a yellow marker and group things
> the way YOU'd like to see them associated.
>
> In the end playing the "exhibition" card seems to work... as in, "If this
> airplane were in a war movie, you wouldn't want giant tail numbers on it"
> -- and being in a movie is one of the few things you can do (supposedly)
> with an experimental exhibition airplane.
>
> Note that the X in NX123AB is part of the MARKINGS OF THE AIRPLANE and not
> part of the registration... you'll get the "They stopped the X, C, L
> registration numbers a long time ago" bit, too. You answer, "I know...
> it's not part of the registration, it's part of the markings" -- and then
> whip out the FARs. In fact, keep them in your pants pockets under your
> flight suit so you can reach in while saying, "Pardon me while I whip this
> out". :-)
>
> Jon
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> >
> > With regards to Small N numbers
> > http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/programs/smalln.html
> >
> > Apparently I didnt need to apply for it since both my airplanes are less
> > than 12,500 lbs.
> >
> > Ernie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <eyeballs@cox.net>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Registration
> >
> >
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: <eyeballs@cox.net>
> >>
> >> The crux of this matter is in the line (b). You do not need to
> >> conform to
> > FAR Secs. 45.21 and 45.23. These are the rules regarding the size and
> > placement of N numbers and the presence of the EXPERIMENTAL placard.
> > Period, end of requirements. If you carry a copy of the FAR's with
> > 45.21, 45.22, and 45.23 (about three pages, you can show them to any
> > FSDO jerk and he will have to back down.
> >>
> >> Sec. 45.22
> >>
> >> Exhibition, antique, and other aircraft: Special rules.
> >>
> >> (b) A small U.S.-registered aircraft built at least 30 years ago or a
> >> > U.S.-registered aircraft for which an experimental certificate has
> >> been issued under Sec. 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operation as an
> >> exhibition aircraft or as an amateur-built aircraft and which has
> >> the same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30
> >> years ago may be operated without displaying marks in accordance
> >> with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23
> > through
> >> > 45.33 if:
> >> > (1) It displays in accordance with Sec. 45.21(c) marks at least 2
> >> inches high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface
> >> consisting of
> > the
> >> > Roman capital letter "N" followed by:
> >> > (i) The U.S. registration number of the aircraft; or
> >> > (ii) The symbol appropriate to the airworthiness certificate of the
> > aircraft
> >> > ("C", standard; "R", restricted; "L", limited; or "X", experimental)
> >> followed by the U.S. registration number of the aircraft; and
> >> > (2) It displays no other mark that begins with the letter "N"
> >> anywhere
> > on
> >> > the aircraft, unless it is the same mark that is displayed under
> > paragraph
> >> > (b)(1) of this section.
> >> > (c) No person may operate an aircraft under paragraph (a) or (b) of
> >> this section--
> >> > (1) In an ADIZ or DEWIZ described in Part 99 of this chapter unless
> >> it temporarily bears marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23
> >> through 45.33;
> >> > (2) In a foreign country unless that country consents to that
> >> operation;
> > or
> >> > [(3) In any operation conducted under Part 121, 133, 135, or 137 of
> >> this chapter.]
> >> > (d) If, due to the configuration of an aircraft, it is impossible
> >> for a person to mark it in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23
> >> through
> > 45.33, he
> >> > may apply to the Administrator for a different marking procedure.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Amdt. 45-22, Eff. 4/27/2001
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
There is no "straight experimental". All Experimental airworthiness certs
have words appended: Amateur built, exhibition, racing, market research,
crew training, R&D, etc. Look at a 3160 form for all of the possibilities.
Really want to complicate your life? License the plane in two or more of
these. It's allowed.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Registration
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> If you're straight "experimental" that's one thing... if you're
> experimental exhibition then "for operation as an exhibition aircraft"
> applies to you and you don't need a waiver from the EAA or nuthin' -- but
> it is a really good idea to carry the FAR printed from their own web site
> and then take a yellow highlighter to it. Note the "OR"s in there...
> built 30 years ago *OR* under 21.191(d,g) exhibition *OR* 30 years ago.
> See how they can choose to confuse if they want to... but in the end
> there's only one way to read it since it says "OR" and if they try to
> group things so that you need to meet the 30-year requirement you can say
> "well what's this OR for then?"
>
> Jon
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: <eyeballs@cox.net>
> >
> > The crux of this matter is in the line (b). You do not need to conform
> > to FAR Secs. 45.21 and 45.23. These are the rules regarding the size
> > and placement of N numbers and the presence of the EXPERIMENTAL placard.
> > Period, end of requirements. If you carry a copy of the FAR's with
> > 45.21, 45.22, and 45.23 (about three pages, you can show them to any
> > FSDO jerk and he will have to back down.
> >
> > Sec. 45.22
> >
> > Exhibition, antique, and other aircraft: Special rules.
> >
> > (b) A small U.S.-registered aircraft built at least 30 years ago or a
> >> U.S.-registered aircraft for which an experimental certificate has
> >> been issued under Sec. 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operation as an
> >> exhibition aircraft or as an amateur-built aircraft and which has the
> >> same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago
> >> may be operated without displaying marks in accordance with Secs.
> >> 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33 if:
> >> (1) It displays in accordance with Sec. 45.21(c) marks at least 2
> >> inches high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface
> >> consisting of the Roman capital letter "N" followed by:
> >> (i) The U.S. registration number of the aircraft; or
> >> (ii) The symbol appropriate to the airworthiness certificate of the
> >> aircraft ("C", standard; "R", restricted; "L", limited; or "X",
> >> experimental) followed by the U.S. registration number of the
> >> aircraft; and
> >> (2) It displays no other mark that begins with the letter "N" anywhere
> >> on the aircraft, unless it is the same mark that is displayed under
> >> paragraph (b)(1) of this section.
> >> (c) No person may operate an aircraft under paragraph (a) or (b) of
> >> this section--
> >> (1) In an ADIZ or DEWIZ described in Part 99 of this chapter unless it
> >> temporarily bears marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23
> >> through 45.33;
> >> (2) In a foreign country unless that country consents to that
> >> operation; or [(3) In any operation conducted under Part 121, 133,
> >> 135, or 137 of this chapter.]
> >> (d) If, due to the configuration of an aircraft, it is impossible for
> >> a person to mark it in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through
> >> 45.33, he may apply to the Administrator for a different marking
> >> procedure.
> >>
> >>
> >> Amdt. 45-22, Eff. 4/27/2001
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Aubrey,
If you have an airworthiness certificate there is not a single word in Order
8130.2D that applies to you. That order pertains to the ISSUANCE of an
airworthiness certificate. After you get one, the FARs and your Op limits
are what applies.
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Re:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> Aubrey,
> Go to my web site, www.yak-52.com, visit the Downloads page and download
> FAA Order 8130.2E. It's the latest version of the "Bible according to the
> FAA". It describes most everything you need to know about certifying an
> Experimental aircraft and the issuance of the Special Airworthiness
> certificate.
>
> BTW, the words "EXPERIMENTAL" in 2" block letters, clearly visible to
> persons entering the aircraft is a requirement.
> Dennis Savarese
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by:
> >
> > From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> > To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
> > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:50:04 -0500
> >
> > Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at. They
> work
> > as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on the
> > David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they were
> the
> > leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to wiring
> > them?
> >
> > Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the airplane
> it
> > did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I
ask
> > about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X,
it
> > wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been
through
> > the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they never
> > heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner
> make
> > a mistake and get by with it for years?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: RE:
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
> >
> > Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I LOVE
> > my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
> > comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
> > box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
> > AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
> > I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
> > Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
> > IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
> > TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I was
> > REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many years
> > of enjoying the noise.
> >
> > Lee Taylor
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> >
> >
>
>
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