Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 03:13 AM - Re: Re: (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 03:19 AM - Re: Registration (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 05:27 AM - Flight suits (Duncan)
4. 06:11 AM - Re: Experimental (Brian Lloyd)
5. 06:42 AM - Flight Suits (Stuart Mackereth)
6. 06:59 AM - Re: Found it... (Cy Galley)
7. 06:59 AM - air system charging (Alan)
8. 08:52 AM - Nomex (Doug)
9. 09:18 AM - Re: Found it... (Jim Ivey)
10. 09:36 AM - Re: November X-ray (N13472@aol.com)
11. 11:24 AM - Re: Flight suits (Drew Blahnick)
12. 12:49 PM - RENO (Ernie)
13. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: Flight suits (Mark Schrick)
14. 01:21 PM - Re: RENO (Drew Blahnick)
15. 01:28 PM - The Next FLY-IN (Drew Blahnick)
16. 01:34 PM - Nanchang / Yak insurance (Tom Johnson)
17. 01:35 PM - Nomex or No Nomex (John Alber)
18. 02:03 PM - Training (dabear)
19. 04:11 PM - Re: Nanchang / Yak insurance (ron wasson)
20. 04:39 PM - Re: Re: Nanchang / Yak insurance (Mark Schrick)
21. 04:46 PM - Re: Nomex or No Nomex (William Halverson)
22. 05:17 PM - Re: Re: (Ron Davis)
23. 05:25 PM - Re: Found it... (Ron Davis)
24. 05:26 PM - Re: Found it... (Ron Davis)
25. 07:09 PM - Re: Training (Drew Blahnick)
26. 07:34 PM - Re: Flight Suits (Gus Fraser)
27. 07:44 PM - Re: Nanchang / Yak insurance (Gus Fraser)
28. 08:07 PM - Re: Flight suits (cjpilot710@aol.com)
29. 08:29 PM - Re: Flight suits (Mark Schrick)
Message 1
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
8130.2d with Changes (revisions) 1,2 and 3 was replaced in January by
8130.2E.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> Aubrey,
>
> If you have an airworthiness certificate there is not a single word in
Order
> 8130.2D that applies to you. That order pertains to the ISSUANCE of an
> airworthiness certificate. After you get one, the FARs and your Op limits
> are what applies.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Re:
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> >
> > Aubrey,
> > Go to my web site, www.yak-52.com, visit the Downloads page and
download
> > FAA Order 8130.2E. It's the latest version of the "Bible according to
the
> > FAA". It describes most everything you need to know about certifying an
> > Experimental aircraft and the issuance of the Special Airworthiness
> > certificate.
> >
> > BTW, the words "EXPERIMENTAL" in 2" block letters, clearly visible to
> > persons entering the aircraft is a requirement.
> > Dennis Savarese
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by:
> > >
> > > From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> > > To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
> > > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:50:04 -0500
> > >
> > > Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at.
They
> > work
> > > as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on
the
> > > David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they
were
> > the
> > > leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to
wiring
> > > them?
> > >
> > > Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the
airplane
> > it
> > > did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y. I
> ask
> > > about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the X,
> it
> > > wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been
> through
> > > the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they
never
> > > heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous owner
> > make
> > > a mistake and get by with it for years?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
> > > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Yak-List: RE:
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
> > >
> > > Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I
LOVE
> > > my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
> > > comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the battery
> > > box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two common
> > > AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
> > > I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
> > > Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS NOT
> > > IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
> > > TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I
was
> > > REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many
years
> > > of enjoying the noise.
> > >
> > > Lee Taylor
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Registration |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Not to be picky here Ron, but I believe the form you are speaking of is the
Application for Airworthiness Certificate, 8130-6, not 3160.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Registration
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> There is no "straight experimental". All Experimental airworthiness certs
> have words appended: Amateur built, exhibition, racing, market research,
> crew training, R&D, etc. Look at a 3160 form for all of the
possibilities.
> Really want to complicate your life? License the plane in two or more of
> these. It's allowed.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Registration
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
> >
> > If you're straight "experimental" that's one thing... if you're
> > experimental exhibition then "for operation as an exhibition aircraft"
> > applies to you and you don't need a waiver from the EAA or nuthin' --
but
> > it is a really good idea to carry the FAR printed from their own web
site
> > and then take a yellow highlighter to it. Note the "OR"s in there...
> > built 30 years ago *OR* under 21.191(d,g) exhibition *OR* 30 years ago.
> > See how they can choose to confuse if they want to... but in the end
> > there's only one way to read it since it says "OR" and if they try to
> > group things so that you need to meet the 30-year requirement you can
say
> > "well what's this OR for then?"
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: <eyeballs@cox.net>
> > >
> > > The crux of this matter is in the line (b). You do not need to
conform
> > > to FAR Secs. 45.21 and 45.23. These are the rules regarding the size
> > > and placement of N numbers and the presence of the EXPERIMENTAL
placard.
> > > Period, end of requirements. If you carry a copy of the FAR's with
> > > 45.21, 45.22, and 45.23 (about three pages, you can show them to any
> > > FSDO jerk and he will have to back down.
> > >
> > > Sec. 45.22
> > >
> > > Exhibition, antique, and other aircraft: Special rules.
> > >
> > > (b) A small U.S.-registered aircraft built at least 30 years ago or a
> > >> U.S.-registered aircraft for which an experimental certificate has
> > >> been issued under Sec. 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operation as an
> > >> exhibition aircraft or as an amateur-built aircraft and which has the
> > >> same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years
ago
> > >> may be operated without displaying marks in accordance with Secs.
> > >> 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33 if:
> > >> (1) It displays in accordance with Sec. 45.21(c) marks at least 2
> > >> inches high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface
> > >> consisting of the Roman capital letter "N" followed by:
> > >> (i) The U.S. registration number of the aircraft; or
> > >> (ii) The symbol appropriate to the airworthiness certificate of the
> > >> aircraft ("C", standard; "R", restricted; "L", limited; or "X",
> > >> experimental) followed by the U.S. registration number of the
> > >> aircraft; and
> > >> (2) It displays no other mark that begins with the letter "N"
anywhere
> > >> on the aircraft, unless it is the same mark that is displayed under
> > >> paragraph (b)(1) of this section.
> > >> (c) No person may operate an aircraft under paragraph (a) or (b) of
> > >> this section--
> > >> (1) In an ADIZ or DEWIZ described in Part 99 of this chapter unless
it
> > >> temporarily bears marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23
> > >> through 45.33;
> > >> (2) In a foreign country unless that country consents to that
> > >> operation; or [(3) In any operation conducted under Part 121, 133,
> > >> 135, or 137 of this chapter.]
> > >> (d) If, due to the configuration of an aircraft, it is impossible for
> > >> a person to mark it in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through
> > >> 45.33, he may apply to the Administrator for a different marking
> > >> procedure.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Amdt. 45-22, Eff. 4/27/2001
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
and how do we give out GIB rides to volunteers if they have to have a flight
suit? Me to GIBish person, "Love to give ya a ride, got your flight suit?".
Russ "Airboss" Dycus
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Experimental |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Ron Davis wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> The FAR requiring EXPERIMENTAL doesn't say it has to be outside. It says it
> has to be clearly visible to a person entering the plane. You can put it on
> the (left) rail inside, but it does have to be 2" high and have the width
> and stroke of the N number. IMHO, if you put on the rail you have to put it
> in both cockpits to make it clearly visible to the people entering the
> plane. The FAR doesn't say specifically say this.
Which is why I put in on a sheet of plastic with the word "Experimental" in 2"
block letters and then placed that inside the canopy on the glare shield between
the seats. It was clearly visible from the ground or when entering either
cockpit.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
Hi all
First posting.. I am a new Yak52 owner.. still waiting for the plane to
be delivered (to South Africa) .. and as you can imagine .. impatient as
hell !! Whilst I endure the long hard wait, I thought it would be a good
idea to equip myself with a good suit and helmet. If possible a Russian
kit would be great. Anyone have any idea what helmet and suit would best
suit a 52? I haven't found a russian suit with Nomex, Kevlar or Kermel
yet, which is mandatory as far as i am concerned. As far as helmets go,
a lot of them I've seen on the net look a bit over the top - I probably
don't need oxygen. Can't source a zsh-7, but maybe a zsh-3 or 5 ?
If anyone has any reliable contacts or ideas, please let me know. If it
means going with western stuff, so be it.
Thanks
Stuart
PS - have read the last few years of this group's archives frantically
to catch up - wow, mighty long - but waaay cool. Nice goin.
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
There is no provision within the FAR's to allow for two inch N numbers on
exhibition aircraft. The FAR's require 12 inch numbers. EAA holds an
exemption that allows for aircraft painted in "authentic" (yes they do
check) military paint scheme to use two inch numbers under the tail. see
http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/programs/smalln.html
The EAA holds many exemptions and waivers like the one for renting an
experimental for transition training.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> No, you don't have to have a letter from the FAA for two inch numbers on
an
> Experimental plane.
> Read the FAR.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> >
> > In order to have the 2 inch numbers you need to have a letter from EAA.
> >
> > Ernie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <eyeballs@cox.net>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: <eyeballs@cox.net>
> > >
> > > Those same regulations allow us to have TWO inch letters and they may
be
> > placed ANYWHERE on the side of the aircraft! So you can tuck the N
number
> > UNDER the horizontal where it is hardly visable.
> > >
> > > I learned to carry copies of the regs along with my operating
> limitations
> > and program letter from Rich Tichacek. When the Feds ranp checked his
> CJ
> > in California and tried to bust him for the two letter N number and the
> lack
> > of the EXPERIMENTAL placard, he showed them the regs. Their response
was
> > that the regulation was stupid. But Rich pointed out that it was their
> > regulation. So they went away.
> > >
> > > Jim Shafer
> > > CJ 360EB
> > >
> > >
> > > > As you know almost all FAR's have some hidden small print. Paragraph
> 20
> > > > states Experimental must be on the aircraft in accordance with part
> > > > 45.23 (b). Skip now to the section of 45.22 part 3 (b) mid page that
> > > > states that a U.S. registered aircraft with a experimental
certificate
> > > > in the exhibition class (which the CJ-6 falls) that has the same
> > > > (unchanged) external configuration as a aircraft built at least 30
> years
> > > > ago (the CJ-6 has not changed from 1963 through 2001 (except for
cost)
> > > > May be operated without displaying marks in accordance with 45.23
> > > > through 45.33 which lets us go without the experimental word in
> > > > paragraph 20.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | air system charging |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Alan" <ap_bronco@hotmail.com>
To my fellow Yak drivers,
I would like to send a big thanks to everyone who responded with help and advice
with fixing my air charging problem. This list is invaluable!
I fixed the sticking check valve yesterday by removing and cleaning the one way
checkvalve that was located on the firewall. Thanks to Dennis Savarese for e-mailing
me the diagram of its location. Also thanks to Marty Dofka our local
Yak mechanic in Wheeling WV. Cleaned up the valve and reinstalled it. Valve
worked a-o-k.
On the debate of starting with nitrogen, well I took Dennis's advice and did not
use plain shop air because of the moisture content. My local mechanic had shop
air with a moisture trap, but he was not going to be around long enough for
me to tow my Yak over to his shop, so I borrowed his portable nitrogen bottle.
So I used nitrogen. I had filled my system at least three times trying to
unstick my check valve before I R&Rd it. So When I finally got the valve fixed
and recharged the system I'm quite sure the system had 100% nitrogen in it.
I was able to fill the main tank to 3 atm. So I was concerned whether I'd get
a start out of it. I used my normal start and priming procedures and...............vroom!............she
started instantly like normal!
Thanks again to all for the help. I and my fellow Yak-52 owner Steve "Wheels"
Wieland are located 30 mi North of Pittsburgh, PA. If anyone is located nearby
or just flying by please drop us a line by e-mail above and we'll try to hook
up.
Thanks again,
Al "Bronco" Bromka
USAirways pilot,
Former Marine A-6E Driver
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Those of you that feel you need additional Nomex coverage can check out Ebay
just do a "nomex" search and you will come up with Nomex long johns, soxs,
and shoes as well as flight suits and gloves. Some of the shoes look kind
of like sneakers, but the colors are pretty outrageous. I am told that
they are used in professional cart racing and are required equipment.
Always yakin,
Doug Sapp
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
Cy:
I am confused now. Didn't Ernie post verbiage stating that this waiver
did not apply to aircraft under 12,500 lbs?
http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/programs/smalln.html
Jim Ivey
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: November X-ray |
--> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
Please refer to FAR 45.21 & 45.23 b
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Flight suits |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
Let me address the GIB issue concerning safety equipment:
First, Association individual clothing safety equipment requirements were reduced,
not increased, for formation flying during events. What is left that is required
is ONLY required at Association sponsored, marketed and managed events,
when your formation is on the flight schedule (i.e. documented) to include when
a lead/checkpilot has a member conduct a formation flight to renew/maintain
his currency via the FAST boards new Formation Proficiency Form.
We want to insure the backseaters are afforded equal individual safety protection
at Association sponsored and managed events - this is the right thing to do
morally, ethically and perhaps legally. Again, you need not apply this particular
rule concerning flight suits to your personal flying; any one of us could
see where it could be highly recommended, but this is a free country and we
should have personal choice.
To this end, we are adding a very limited number of flight suits to our Event Kits
(media rides, etc.). We are looking at an updated Association Hold Harmless
Agreement to further educate our "ride-alongs", but that's another story.
Our Formation fly-ins are pretty intensive training environments, and the two
airshows where the Association is officially represented (OSH/SnF) have strict
limitations on allowing GIBS during the warbird airshow. I think on the few occasions
this policy is in effect, it will be a painless blip on the radar, and
you will feel better for it.
By the way, I'm taking up a very beautiful woman this afternoon for her first aerobatics
ride, I can't imagine what I would feel for the rest of my days if on
landing the gear collapsed, we veered in to the ditch along side of the runway
and a fire broke loose where I was able to extract myself relatively quickly
burn free, yet she was hideously burned over almost all of her body due to her
very flammable nylon/cotton clothing. She is wearing a good conditioned flight
suit today. But that is a choice I'm making for her as as my "PC" ("precious
cargo", special operations term for recovered hostages, or in this case,
a woman), the association isn't asking me, or requiring me, to make that choice.
Aaaaaaannnnnddd she also happens to think they look sexy, this ain't so bad....you
know folks, not sure if this is true (someone might be an expert out
there), but I've been told that wearing ANY cotton or nylon under a flight suit
decreases it's fire retardant capabilites...ok, ok, aviation is deadly seriouse
and I shouldn't be joking here with you - have a great one...
Again, please understand I am working to minimize the strain on our members while
doing what is right for the association and it's members. The transition article
is located at:
http://www.allredstar.com/The_Cockpit.asp
By the way, your responses to me concerning these transitional brief concepts have
been overwhelmingly supportive.
Thanks for listening,
Drew
Drew Blahnick
YPA/Red Star AoA
Cell310-386-9181
www.allredstar.com
"Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Flight suits
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
>
> and how do we give out GIB rides to volunteers if they have to have a flight
> suit? Me to GIBish person, "Love to give ya a ride, got your flight suit?".
>
>
> Russ "Airboss" Dycus
>
>
>
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I am planning on going to Reno for the races, will be arriving Fri evening. Whos
gonna be there? we should hook up.
Ernie
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Flight suits |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
CJ's can perform acrobatics ????????
SHREK
Mark Schrick
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, CA 95120
(408) 323-5150(H) or (408) 391-6664 (Car)
>--- Original Message ---
>From: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Date: 8/8/03 10:22:44 AM
>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
>
>Let me address the GIB issue concerning safety equipment:
>
>First, Association individual clothing safety equipment requirements
were reduced, not increased, for formation flying during events.
What is left that is required is ONLY required at Association
sponsored, marketed and managed events, when your formation is
on the flight schedule (i.e. documented) to include when a lead/checkpilot
has a member conduct a formation flight to renew/maintain his
currency via the FAST boards new Formation Proficiency Form.
>
>We want to insure the backseaters are afforded equal individual
safety protection at Association sponsored and managed events
- this is the right thing to do morally, ethically and perhaps
legally. Again, you need not apply this particular rule concerning
flight suits to your personal flying; any one of us could see
where it could be highly recommended, but this is a free country
and we should have personal choice.
>
>To this end, we are adding a very limited number of flight suits
to our Event Kits (media rides, etc.). We are looking at an
updated Association Hold Harmless Agreement to further educate
our "ride-alongs", but that's another story. Our Formation fly-ins
are pretty intensive training environments, and the two airshows
where the Association is officially represented (OSH/SnF) have
strict limitations on allowing GIBS during the warbird airshow.
I think on the few occasions this policy is in effect, it will
be a painless blip on the radar, and you will feel better for
it.
>
>By the way, I'm taking up a very beautiful woman this afternoon
for her first aerobatics ride, I can't imagine what I would feel
for the rest of my days if on landing the gear collapsed, we
veered in to the ditch along side of the runway and a fire broke
loose where I was able to extract myself relatively quickly burn
free, yet she was hideously burned over almost all of her body
due to her very flammable nylon/cotton clothing. She is wearing
a good conditioned flight suit today. But that is a choice I'm
making for her as as my "PC" ("precious cargo", special operations
term for recovered hostages, or in this case, a woman), the association
isn't asking me, or requiring me, to make that choice. Aaaaaaannnnnddd
she also happens to think they look sexy, this ain't so bad....you
know folks, not sure if this is true (someone might be an expert
out there), but I've been told that wearing ANY cotton or nylon
under a flight suit decreases it's fire retardant capabilites...ok,
o!
>k, aviation is deadly seriouse and I shouldn't be joking here
with you - have a great one...
>
>Again, please understand I am working to minimize the strain
on our members while doing what is right for the association
and it's members. The transition article is located at:
>
> http://www.allredstar.com/The_Cockpit.asp
>
>
>By the way, your responses to me concerning these transitional
brief concepts have been overwhelmingly supportive.
>
>Thanks for listening,
>
>Drew
>
>
>Drew Blahnick
>YPA/Red Star AoA
>Cell310-386-9181
>www.allredstar.com
>"Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Duncan" <duncan1574@hotmail.com>
>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Yak-List: Flight suits
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan" <duncan1574@hotmail.com>
>>
>> and how do we give out GIB rides to volunteers if they have
to have a flight
>> suit? Me to GIBish person, "Love to give ya a ride, got your
flight suit?".
>>
>>
>> Russ "Airboss" Dycus
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
Earnie, I hope to be there and I'm sure a few others from the West!
Drew
Drew Blahnick
YPA/Red Star AoA
Cell310-386-9181
www.allredstar.com
"Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: Yak-List: RENO
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> I am planning on going to Reno for the races, will be arriving Fri
evening. Whos gonna be there? we should hook up.
>
> Ernie
>
>
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
Folks, we are up to our elbows in web site work and other issues behind the scenes,
please pull together and forgive any slow action on our part. Here below
is information on what I hope is a fantastic new annual fly-in for the association.
I attended a motorcycle event in Ruidoso years back and it was really
an incredible place; this fly-in qualifies as my vacation, and I'm definitely
taking leave to be there....
PLEASE: I'm going to support Johns training and supply requirements, if you are
going, send a direct e-mail to John at finleycj6@huno.com and cc myself at aapilot@adelphia.net
Drew
RUIDOSO, NM FLY-IN / CLINIC
SEPTEMBER 21 - 25 2003
SRR
CONTACT JOHN FINLEY
(505) 336-8356 or Cell (239)272-5215
finleycj6@juno.com
AGENDA SUMMARY
.
w Ruidoso is a small resort town in the Sacramento Mountains in south central
New Mexico. Our airport, Sierra Blanca Regional (SRR) is well situated away
from any obstructions and has plenty of ramp space ( over 100 tie downs). Field
elevation is 6814 feet, so we have a good opportunity for high elevation
training.
w Our accommodations are at the Comfort Inn Suites, which is in mid town
Ruidoso, only walking distance to many restaurants and shops. I have reserved
20 rooms for the discounted price of $59.00 for this event. RESERVATIONS MUST
BE MADE BEFORE SEPT 7TH or remaining rooms will be returned to inventory. Call
The Comfort Inn at (505)257-2770 and state that you are with the YPA for the
discounted room rate.
w Rental cars are available at ENTERPRISE RENT-A-CAR (505) 257-1154. Please
reserve early as cars are limited and state you are with the YPA for discounted
rates.
w Oil: The airport management will need four weeks lead time to order and
have available 60 weight oil. Those of you that need W120 oil please let me know
four weeks ahead of time so I can order it. We ( I ) have to buy it all!!!
w Fuel will be discounted 10% from the then current price.
w The cost for transportation, etc. will depend on the number of participants
we have, so please let me know as soon as you can by e-mail or telephone
if you will attend, and for how long.
w Please bring your ladies! There are lots of shops, boutiques, restaurants
in town as well as art galleries, scenic, drives, historical sites, golf courses
and Casinos near by.
w All this and great flying!
w
Drew Blahnick
YPA/Red Star AoA
Cell310-386-9181
www.allredstar.com
"Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Nanchang / Yak insurance |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tjohnson@cannonaviation.com>
Friends:
A word of advice from a person deep within the warbird insurance marketplace.
BE EXTRA VIGILANT the remainder of the year.
TRIPLE CHECK YOUR GEAR LIGHTS.
Watch that prop!
We CANNOT have any more attention this year.
Please do not let this email start a long thread about insurance.
Contact me off list if you want to discuss.
Hear me now, believe me later, but think about it sometime - Let's do ourselves
a favor and tighten it up!
Enough said - Fly safe.
Tj
**********************************
Thomas Johnson
Senior Account Executive
1983 Yak 52
Tel: 800-851-2997
Fax: 480-951-1455
Cell: 602-628-2701
E: tjohnson@cannonaviation.com
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Nomex or No Nomex |
--> Yak-List message posted by: John Alber <john@johnalber.com>
My understanding is that for a Nomex flight suit to provide appropriate protection,
it must be used with Nomex undergarments. Without those, as I understand
it, the charring it provides is limited, as is the protection. I also know that
some US agencies approve and even encourage the use of fireproof cotten instead
of Nomex. I prefer cotton for reasons made clear below.
So what's the real story?
One more thing: In winter, a flight suit is a great comfort. In summer, however,
the protection it provides has, it seems to me, to be balanced against the
risk of overheating and dehydration, which is significant. That point was made
to me (pointedly) a couple of years ago by an airshow performer who had witnessed
an assemblage of Yak pilots geared up and sweating heavily on the ramp at
Oshkosh in 95 plus temperatures. It seems to me that in those situations, the
balance might tip in favor of staying cool. What say to that?
John Alber
John Alber
john@johnalber.com
Home 618-675-3553
Work 314-259-2144
Message 18
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Yak-List message posted by: "dabear" <dabear@damned.org>
Do we (YPA) have a training/standards committee that is currently
working on initial training and current training standards? I
remember that discussion over a year ago, but I've not seen any
output.
If there is not, or if they need more assistance, who would be
interested in helping to develop a syllabus on the Yak-52 and the
CJ6-A? Other models could be worked on after the initial 2.
Also, a question for those supporting our community, if the YPA
developed the syllabus for such training, how would it impact your
training activities? Would you be willing to assist in development,
however charge for training at YPA activities. How could we assist
our members, limit our accident rates, keep insurance low, and still
keep our vendors supporting our community.
Std Disclaimer: This is for discussion and evaluation. I'm not
committing the YPA organization to any action or lack of action at
this time. Void where prohibited, your mileage may vary, weight
before cooking, past performance not indicative of future results,
etc.
Regards,
Al DeVere
Message 19
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Nanchang / Yak insurance |
--> Yak-List message posted by: ron wasson <ronwasson@mindspring.com>
Local aero club with 5 guys just landed gear up last month in their CJ. High
time Captain so I guess it could happen anyone without a good habit pattern
in the Yak. Airliners don't do touch and go's.
Ron
N6267A
Message 20
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Nanchang / Yak insurance |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
We all need to be carefull out there. It will cost us all increased
insurance if we don't work together on this issue. Glasair/Lancair
owners are paying over $4500 do to "to many landing issues".
We do not wish to be in the catigory if we just be care careful.
Use the check list and check it again before landing. You can
get one free on www.yak-52.com in the download area. It works
very well and color coded and for CJ's I'm sure someone has one
availible to be used.
Head scewed on tight and be safe out there.
We want you all at RedStar 2004...........safe
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
Mark Schrick
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, CA 95120
(408) 323-5150(H) or (408) 391-6664 (Car)
>--- Original Message ---
>From: ron wasson <ronwasson@mindspring.com>
>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Date: 8/8/03 3:10:52 PM
>
--> Yak-List message posted by: ron wasson <ronwasson@mindspring.com>
>
>Local aero club with 5 guys just landed gear up last month in
their CJ. High
>time Captain so I guess it could happen anyone without a good
habit pattern
>in the Yak. Airliners don't do touch and go's.
>
> Ron
> N6267A
>
>
Message 21
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Nomex or No Nomex |
--> Yak-List message posted by: William Halverson <william@netpros.net>
I say drink lots of water, take a few salt pills, and wear the nomex.
After you are in the air a few minutes all the sweat is dried off anyway...
Bill Halverson
John Alber wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: John Alber <john@johnalber.com>
>
> My understanding is that for a Nomex flight suit to provide appropriate protection,
it must be used with Nomex undergarments. Without those, as I understand it, the
charring
it provides is limited, as is the protection. I also know that some US agencies
approve
and even encourage the use of fireproof cotten instead of Nomex. I prefer cotton
for
reasons made clear below.
>
> So what's the real story?
>
> One more thing: In winter, a flight suit is a great comfort. In summer, however,
the protection it provides has, it seems to me, to be balanced against the risk
of overheating and dehydration, which is significant. That point was made to me
(pointedly) a couple of years ago by an airshow performer who had witnessed an
assemblage of Yak pilots geared up and sweating heavily on the ramp at Oshkosh
in 95 plus temperatures. It seems to me that in those situations,
the balance might tip in favor of staying cool. What say to that?
>
> John Alber
>
>
> John Alber
> john@johnalber.com
> Home 618-675-3553
> Work 314-259-2144
Message 22
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Thank you for the info. I'll have to get a copy of Order 8130.2E before I
license another plane. I did mean form 8130-6 The application for an
airwothiness certificate. My fingers must have dozed off, or perhaps my
brain.
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> 8130.2d with Changes (revisions) 1,2 and 3 was replaced in January by
> 8130.2E.
> Dennis Savarese
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re:
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Aubrey,
> >
> > If you have an airworthiness certificate there is not a single word in
> Order
> > 8130.2D that applies to you. That order pertains to the ISSUANCE of an
> > airworthiness certificate. After you get one, the FARs and your Op
limits
> > are what applies.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re:
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> > >
> > > Aubrey,
> > > Go to my web site, www.yak-52.com, visit the Downloads page and
> download
> > > FAA Order 8130.2E. It's the latest version of the "Bible according to
> the
> > > FAA". It describes most everything you need to know about certifying
an
> > > Experimental aircraft and the issuance of the Special Airworthiness
> > > certificate.
> > >
> > > BTW, the words "EXPERIMENTAL" in 2" block letters, clearly visible to
> > > persons entering the aircraft is a requirement.
> > > Dennis Savarese
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by:
> > > >
> > > > From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> > > > To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE:
> > > > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:50:04 -0500
> > > >
> > > > Funny you should say that. Lighspeed is the one we are looking at.
> They
> > > work
> > > > as good as the Bose and cost about half as much. I agree with you on
> the
> > > > David Clarks. I wore Clarks for 20 years in Helos and thought they
> were
> > > the
> > > > leader, but Lightspeed is by far the best. Are the any tricks to
> wiring
> > > > them?
> > > >
> > > > Maybe someone can help with another question. When I bought the
> airplane
> > > it
> > > > did not display the word experimental, but the N number was NX288y.
I
> > ask
> > > > about this and was told that if you displayed the N number with the
X,
> > it
> > > > wasn't required to write experimental on the aircraft. I have been
> > through
> > > > the FAA regs and can't find this. I called the local FAA and they
> never
> > > > heard of it. Do you know anything about this or did the previous
owner
> > > make
> > > > a mistake and get by with it for years?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Lee Taylor [mailto:leetay@idcomm.com]
> > > > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > > > Subject: Yak-List: RE:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@idcomm.com>
> > > >
> > > > Aubrey: Don't know exactly how they will work with your Yak, but I
> LOVE
> > > > my two Lightspeed ANR headsets. They are far and away the most
> > > > comfortable and LIGHTWEIGHT of any that I have ever worn, the
battery
> > > > box is much better than any other I have tried, (just uses two
common
> > > > AA's), and the noise canceling is excellent.
> > > > I bought my first one at Oshkosh several years ago, had Dave
> > > > Clarks in the 180. Tried the Lightspeed on the way home, and WAS
NOT
> > > > IMPRESSED. "Humph", was my comment. Then I put my Clarks back on.
> > > > TORE THEM OFF IN A HURRY, and put the Lightspeeds back on! THEN I
> was
> > > > REAL impressed! Been wearing them ever since. Like you, too many
> years
> > > > of enjoying the noise.
> > > >
> > > > Lee Taylor
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Message 23
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Please read 14CFR45.22 and then report back on your findings. It doesn't
say anything about getting EAAs blessing. You may need to refer to
14CFR21.191 (d) as well to see that it is experimental exhibition.
(b) A small U.S.-registered aircraft built at least 30 years ago or
a U.S.-registered aircraft for which an experimental certificate has
been issued under Sec. 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operation as an
exhibition aircraft or as an amateur-built aircraft and which has the
same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago
may be operated without displaying marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21
and 45.23 through 45.33 if:
(1) It displays in accordance with Sec. 45.21(c) marks at least 2
inches high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface
consisting of the Roman capital letter ``N'' followed by:
(i) The U.S. registration number of the aircraft; or
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> There is no provision within the FAR's to allow for two inch N numbers on
> exhibition aircraft. The FAR's require 12 inch numbers. EAA holds an
> exemption that allows for aircraft painted in "authentic" (yes they do
> check) military paint scheme to use two inch numbers under the tail. see
> http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/programs/smalln.html
>
> The EAA holds many exemptions and waivers like the one for renting an
> experimental for transition training.
>
> Cy Galley
> Editor, EAA Safety Programs
> cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> >
> > No, you don't have to have a letter from the FAA for two inch numbers on
> an
> > Experimental plane.
> > Read the FAR.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> > >
> > > In order to have the 2 inch numbers you need to have a letter from
EAA.
> > >
> > > Ernie
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <eyeballs@cox.net>
> > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: <eyeballs@cox.net>
> > > >
> > > > Those same regulations allow us to have TWO inch letters and they
may
> be
> > > placed ANYWHERE on the side of the aircraft! So you can tuck the N
> number
> > > UNDER the horizontal where it is hardly visable.
> > > >
> > > > I learned to carry copies of the regs along with my operating
> > limitations
> > > and program letter from Rich Tichacek. When the Feds ranp checked
his
> > CJ
> > > in California and tried to bust him for the two letter N number and
the
> > lack
> > > of the EXPERIMENTAL placard, he showed them the regs. Their response
> was
> > > that the regulation was stupid. But Rich pointed out that it was
their
> > > regulation. So they went away.
> > > >
> > > > Jim Shafer
> > > > CJ 360EB
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > As you know almost all FAR's have some hidden small print.
Paragraph
> > 20
> > > > > states Experimental must be on the aircraft in accordance with
part
> > > > > 45.23 (b). Skip now to the section of 45.22 part 3 (b) mid page
that
> > > > > states that a U.S. registered aircraft with a experimental
> certificate
> > > > > in the exhibition class (which the CJ-6 falls) that has the same
> > > > > (unchanged) external configuration as a aircraft built at least 30
> > years
> > > > > ago (the CJ-6 has not changed from 1963 through 2001 (except for
> cost)
> > > > > May be operated without displaying marks in accordance with 45.23
> > > > > through 45.33 which lets us go without the experimental word in
> > > > > paragraph 20.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Message 24
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
He was mis-informed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
>
> Cy:
>
> I am confused now. Didn't Ernie post verbiage stating that this waiver
> did not apply to aircraft under 12,500 lbs?
>
> http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/programs/smalln.html
>
> Jim Ivey
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Message 25
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
Yes we do, Linedog (Jeff) is finishing up a transition training outline for
the prop driven aircraft. It's not released at this time.
Drew
Drew Blahnick
YPA/Red Star AoA
Cell310-386-9181
www.allredstar.com
"Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
----- Original Message -----
From: "dabear" <dabear@damned.org>
Subject: Yak-List: Training
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "dabear" <dabear@damned.org>
>
> Do we (YPA) have a training/standards committee that is currently
> working on initial training and current training standards? I
> remember that discussion over a year ago, but I've not seen any
> output.
>
> If there is not, or if they need more assistance, who would be
> interested in helping to develop a syllabus on the Yak-52 and the
> CJ6-A? Other models could be worked on after the initial 2.
>
> Also, a question for those supporting our community, if the YPA
> developed the syllabus for such training, how would it impact your
> training activities? Would you be willing to assist in development,
> however charge for training at YPA activities. How could we assist
> our members, limit our accident rates, keep insurance low, and still
> keep our vendors supporting our community.
>
> Std Disclaimer: This is for discussion and evaluation. I'm not
> committing the YPA organization to any action or lack of action at
> this time. Void where prohibited, your mileage may vary, weight
> before cooking, past performance not indicative of future results,
> etc.
>
> Regards,
>
> Al DeVere
>
>
Message 26
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
I'm with Skip (who has been castigated for his helmet). I have a US Navy
deck helmet It works with DC headsets it is cheap ($40 on Ebay) and is made
of Kevlar. It has a panel on the front and back and provides great
protection. The FAA quote the figure of 90% of injuries sustained after
emergency landing are head injuries. Of course there are those amongst us
who will say that we lack a certain sartorial eloquence but hey at least we
get to buy a few more beers with the money we save.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
Mackereth
Subject: Yak-List: Flight Suits
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
Hi all
First posting.. I am a new Yak52 owner.. still waiting for the plane to
be delivered (to South Africa) .. and as you can imagine .. impatient as
hell !! Whilst I endure the long hard wait, I thought it would be a good
idea to equip myself with a good suit and helmet. If possible a Russian
kit would be great. Anyone have any idea what helmet and suit would best
suit a 52? I haven't found a russian suit with Nomex, Kevlar or Kermel
yet, which is mandatory as far as i am concerned. As far as helmets go,
a lot of them I've seen on the net look a bit over the top - I probably
don't need oxygen. Can't source a zsh-7, but maybe a zsh-3 or 5 ?
If anyone has any reliable contacts or ideas, please let me know. If it
means going with western stuff, so be it.
Thanks
Stuart
PS - have read the last few years of this group's archives frantically
to catch up - wow, mighty long - but waaay cool. Nice goin.
Message 27
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Nanchang / Yak insurance |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
I think, as Tom did not make it clear, I will do it for him. Tom Johnson is
the same Tom Johnson as in Cannon Aviation Insurance.
He knows what he is talking about this is not just a scare post he knows
and, as a Yak 52 owner operator, cares about as much as you should.
Message received and understood Tom.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Johnson
Subject: Yak-List: Nanchang / Yak insurance
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tjohnson@cannonaviation.com>
Friends:
A word of advice from a person deep within the warbird insurance
marketplace.
BE EXTRA VIGILANT the remainder of the year.
TRIPLE CHECK YOUR GEAR LIGHTS.
Watch that prop!
We CANNOT have any more attention this year.
Please do not let this email start a long thread about insurance.
Contact me off list if you want to discuss.
Hear me now, believe me later, but think about it sometime - Let's do
ourselves a favor and tighten it up!
Enough said - Fly safe.
Tj
**********************************
Thomas Johnson
Senior Account Executive
1983 Yak 52
Tel: 800-851-2997
Fax: 480-951-1455
Cell: 602-628-2701
E: tjohnson@cannonaviation.com
Message 28
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Flight suits |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 8/8/2003 3:56:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
schrick@pacbell.net writes:
> CJ's can perform acrobatics ????????
>
>
Maybe you should talked to the pilot who sat though inverted flat spins at
MTW about just what the CJ-6 can and cannot do. Don't sell short this bent wing
beauty.
Message 29
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Ok Ok Ok I was wondering if anyone was listening.
SHREK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Flight suits
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 8/8/2003 3:56:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
schrick@pacbell.net writes:
> CJ's can perform acrobatics ????????
>
>
Maybe you should talked to the pilot who sat though inverted flat spins at
MTW about just what the CJ-6 can and cannot do. Don't sell short this bent
wing
beauty.
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|