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1. 05:06 AM - Re: Nomex or No Nomex (Frank Haertlein)
2. 05:58 AM - Reno (cpayne@joimail.com)
3. 06:20 AM - Re: Found it... (Ernie)
4. 08:03 AM - NOMEX or No NOMEX (On offer to all Redstar 2004 participants) (Mark Schrick)
5. 08:17 AM - nitrogen (Barry Hancock)
6. 08:21 AM - Re: NOMEX or No NOMEX (On offer to all Redstar 2004 participants) (ANDREWS)
7. 08:22 AM - Nomex shoes (Barry Hancock)
8. 09:05 AM - Re: Nomex or No Nomex (Drew Blahnick)
9. 09:45 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 08/08/03 (Barry Hancock)
10. 10:10 AM - Re: Nomex or no Nomex (Barry Hancock)
11. 10:50 AM - Re: Nomex or No Nomex ()
12. 12:40 PM - Re: Flight Suits (Jim Ivey)
13. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: Nomex or no Nomex (Ernie)
14. 05:13 PM - Yak 52 vs CJ's They both do acro well (Mark Schrick)
15. 06:45 PM - Off air awhile. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
16. 09:56 PM - Yak 18 (Tom Johnson)
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| Subject: | Nomex or No Nomex |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
About the flight suit requirement for participating in Red Star
Activities............
Just as food for thought, fuel lines run thru the cabin of the venerable
Cessna 172 as well. I have fireproof clothing that don't look like a
flight suit. I guess even with that I would be excluded from Red Star
Activities. So.........In the famous words of our soon to be governator
"hasta la vista, baby"!
Frank
N9110M
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Ernie et Al:
A number of us "yakkers" will be at Stead (Reno air races)
this year. I'll be visiting my mom and/or brother whom
happen to live there as well but perhaps Friday night would
be a good time to get together. Otherwise, I'll be in the
pit area. Free pass again this year, I hope. Anybody need a
spare "wrench" for their racer?
I'd love to see CJ's run on the short Formula 1 course but
that's never gonna happen.
Craig Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Click on the link included in this thread. Read "Small aircraft" if your
airplane is NOT at least 30 years old OR more than 12,500 LBS then you DO
need the EAA exemption letter.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> Please read 14CFR45.22 and then report back on your findings. It doesn't
> say anything about getting EAAs blessing. You may need to refer to
> 14CFR21.191 (d) as well to see that it is experimental exhibition.
>
>
> (b) A small U.S.-registered aircraft built at least 30 years ago or
> a U.S.-registered aircraft for which an experimental certificate has
> been issued under Sec. 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operation as an
> exhibition aircraft or as an amateur-built aircraft and which has the
> same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago
> may be operated without displaying marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21
> and 45.23 through 45.33 if:
> (1) It displays in accordance with Sec. 45.21(c) marks at least 2
> inches high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface
> consisting of the Roman capital letter ``N'' followed by:
> (i) The U.S. registration number of the aircraft; or
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
> >
> > There is no provision within the FAR's to allow for two inch N numbers
on
> > exhibition aircraft. The FAR's require 12 inch numbers. EAA holds an
> > exemption that allows for aircraft painted in "authentic" (yes they do
> > check) military paint scheme to use two inch numbers under the tail. see
> > http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/programs/smalln.html
> >
> > The EAA holds many exemptions and waivers like the one for renting an
> > experimental for transition training.
> >
> > Cy Galley
> > Editor, EAA Safety Programs
> > cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > No, you don't have to have a letter from the FAA for two inch numbers
on
> > an
> > > Experimental plane.
> > > Read the FAR.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> > > >
> > > > In order to have the 2 inch numbers you need to have a letter from
> EAA.
> > > >
> > > > Ernie
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <eyeballs@cox.net>
> > > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Found it...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: <eyeballs@cox.net>
> > > > >
> > > > > Those same regulations allow us to have TWO inch letters and they
> may
> > be
> > > > placed ANYWHERE on the side of the aircraft! So you can tuck the N
> > number
> > > > UNDER the horizontal where it is hardly visable.
> > > > >
> > > > > I learned to carry copies of the regs along with my operating
> > > limitations
> > > > and program letter from Rich Tichacek. When the Feds ranp checked
> his
> > > CJ
> > > > in California and tried to bust him for the two letter N number and
> the
> > > lack
> > > > of the EXPERIMENTAL placard, he showed them the regs. Their
response
> > was
> > > > that the regulation was stupid. But Rich pointed out that it was
> their
> > > > regulation. So they went away.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim Shafer
> > > > > CJ 360EB
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > As you know almost all FAR's have some hidden small print.
> Paragraph
> > > 20
> > > > > > states Experimental must be on the aircraft in accordance with
> part
> > > > > > 45.23 (b). Skip now to the section of 45.22 part 3 (b) mid page
> that
> > > > > > states that a U.S. registered aircraft with a experimental
> > certificate
> > > > > > in the exhibition class (which the CJ-6 falls) that has the same
> > > > > > (unchanged) external configuration as a aircraft built at least
30
> > > years
> > > > > > ago (the CJ-6 has not changed from 1963 through 2001 (except for
> > cost)
> > > > > > May be operated without displaying marks in accordance with
45.23
> > > > > > through 45.33 which lets us go without the experimental word in
> > > > > > paragraph 20.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | NOMEX or No NOMEX (On offer to all Redstar 2004 participants) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Frank,
If you come to Redstar 2004, I will lend you a NOMEX flight suit because we
don't want to see you get hurt or burned in an accident. I just need to know
what size you are. If people come to Redstar 2004 and they do not have a
flight suit, I will bring my spares to help the group out because I do not
want to see anyone excluded and I really don't want anyone hurt for ANY
REASON.
NO ONE will be excluded at REDSTAR 2004 due to not owning a NOMEX suits. If
they provide me a size before the event I will bring one for them.
Frank, this is not an argument because this is your life and I personally
don't wish to see anyone get hurt due to personal freedom. Why do you think
motorcycles riders must wear helmets now? Because the Government wanted to
take your freedom away, thought it would force you to be un-cool or because
statistics dictated that this could save your life.........
Just think about it and my offer stands for anyone coming to Redstar 2004.
Be safe out there, my insurance premium depends on it.(small joke)
Mark (SHREK) Schrick
YAK Driver, Inc
Western USA Dealer for AEROSTAR (Yak 52TW/W)
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, CA 95120
(408) 323-5150 phone/fax
(408) 391-6664 cell
www.yakdriver.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Nomex or No Nomex
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
About the flight suit requirement for participating in Red Star
Activities............
Just as food for thought, fuel lines run thru the cabin of the venerable
Cessna 172 as well. I have fireproof clothing that don't look like a
flight suit. I guess even with that I would be excluded from Red Star
Activities. So.........In the famous words of our soon to be governator
"hasta la vista, baby"!
Frank
N9110M
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> So I was concerned whether I'd get
> a start out of it. I used my normal start and priming procedures
> and...............vroom!............she
> started instantly like normal!
But wait, these engines won't start with nitrogen.....you're engine must
be different. :)
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| Subject: | Re: NOMEX or No NOMEX (On offer to all Redstar 2004 participants) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "ANDREWS" <dandmaz@cox.net>
Mark ,
You are a true gentleman .
Don Andrews
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Subject: Yak-List: NOMEX or No NOMEX (On offer to all Redstar 2004
participants)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
>
> Frank,
>
> If you come to Redstar 2004, I will lend you a NOMEX flight suit because
we
> don't want to see you get hurt or burned in an accident. I just need to
know
> what size you are. If people come to Redstar 2004 and they do not have a
> flight suit, I will bring my spares to help the group out because I do not
> want to see anyone excluded and I really don't want anyone hurt for ANY
> REASON.
>
> NO ONE will be excluded at REDSTAR 2004 due to not owning a NOMEX suits.
If
> they provide me a size before the event I will bring one for them.
>
> Frank, this is not an argument because this is your life and I personally
> don't wish to see anyone get hurt due to personal freedom. Why do you
think
> motorcycles riders must wear helmets now? Because the Government wanted to
> take your freedom away, thought it would force you to be un-cool or
because
> statistics dictated that this could save your life.........
>
> Just think about it and my offer stands for anyone coming to Redstar 2004.
>
> Be safe out there, my insurance premium depends on it.(small joke)
>
> Mark (SHREK) Schrick
>
> YAK Driver, Inc
> Western USA Dealer for AEROSTAR (Yak 52TW/W)
> 966 Wallace Drive
> San Jose, CA 95120
> (408) 323-5150 phone/fax
> (408) 391-6664 cell
> www.yakdriver.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Nomex or No Nomex
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> About the flight suit requirement for participating in Red Star
> Activities............
> Just as food for thought, fuel lines run thru the cabin of the venerable
> Cessna 172 as well. I have fireproof clothing that don't look like a
> flight suit. I guess even with that I would be excluded from Red Star
> Activities. So.........In the famous words of our soon to be governator
> "hasta la vista, baby"!
> Frank
> N9110M
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> Some of the shoes look kind
> of like sneakers, but the colors are pretty outrageous.
I bought some Simpson Nomex racing shoes. They're great, if not a
little warm in the summer. They are much lighter weight than the leather
boots and more comfortable. They have thin soles designed for feeling
the pedals of a race car so I carry my walking shoes with me. I figure
there's a pretty good chance that the first place a fire will enter the
cockpit is near my feet...
And, oh yes, Doug, they're black..... :)
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | Re: Nomex or No Nomex |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
Folks,
Concerning an individuals post attatched below, I want to insure something
he stated is NOT interpreted as our associations policy.
"About the flight suit requirement for participating in Red Star
Activities............"
The long standing (i.e. not new) flight suit policy we are discussing,
concerns FAST formation at your association events/fly-ins, and is currently
listed under the YPA FAST manual version 1.1, Chapter 2 page 4 that can be
downloaded for free at any time from www.yakpilots.org. What we are
discussing is our formation training policy concerning individual safety
equipment. "Activities" is a broad and incorrect application of this
discussion and I just wanted to insure this was clarified. The policy for
the use of nomex is a long standing one and is not new as YPA members know.
Just wanted to clarify!
Leaving for the desert with the AF, my deployed e-mail is
drewblahnick@hotmail.com
Talk soon!
Drew Blahnick
YPA/Red Star AoA
Cell310-386-9181
www.allredstar.com
"Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Nomex or No Nomex
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> About the flight suit requirement for participating in Red Star
> Activities............
> Just as food for thought, fuel lines run thru the cabin of the venerable
> Cessna 172 as well. I have fireproof clothing that don't look like a
> flight suit. I guess even with that I would be excluded from Red Star
> Activities. So.........In the famous words of our soon to be governator
> "hasta la vista, baby"!
> Frank
> N9110M
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 08/08/03 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> Maybe you should talked to the pilot who sat though inverted flat spins
> at
> MTW about just what the CJ-6 can and cannot do. Don't sell short this
> bent wing
>
> beauty.
Or perhaps have attended an IAC event awhile back where a CJ
outperformed a Yak-52 to win it's class.....
Yes, Mark, we're listening. :)
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | Re: Nomex or no Nomex |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
Looks like someone has a bone to pick here, but I think you're barking
up the wrong tree here, Frank.
>
> About the flight suit requirement for participating in Red Star
> Activities............
> Just as food for thought, fuel lines run thru the cabin of the venerable
> Cessna 172 as well.
Yes, and the Highway Patrol, USFS, US Customs, etc. ALL wear flight
suits AND helmets when flying their Cessnas....and they are not even
flying in formation. Hmmm....
> I have fireproof clothing that don't look like a
> flight suit. I guess even with that I would be excluded from Red Star
> Activities.
I'm sure if you could demonstrate that your fireproof clothing provides
the same protection as a flight suit, and get it approved by the FAST
board (not our Association, the governing body of formation flying),
you'd be welcome to wear it. I'd actually like some fireproof clothing,
Frank, what type of stuff is it and where did you get it?
One thing we all need to remember here is that as a part of ANY
association there are certain guidelines that need to be followed so as
to mitigate the liability of the association. Even if this association
did not require Nomex flight suits, if someone burned up in an
association sponsored formation activity the association would be found
negligent for not adhearing to widely accepted standards.
Even as a flight lead, you are responsible for all the pilots in your
flight, and as such could be held liable as well. Wether the charge
sticks or not is immaterial, you'll spend a couple of Yaks in legal
bills.
> So.........In the famous words of our soon to be governator
> "hasta la vista, baby"!
I think it's very unfortunate to somehow associate your position with
one of someone who stands up for what they believe in. I don't think
Arnold would ever cut and run....
All this over a $40 flight suit? C'mon Frank.
Sincerely,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | Nomex or No Nomex |
--> Yak-List message posted by: <johnhilterman1@cox.net>
I guess I'm a little dumbfounded why there seems to be so much resistance to
wearing a Nomex flight suit. If you're willing to spend the $$ on fireproof
clothing to fly in a C-172 then it's not that big of a reach to spring less
than $100 for a decent Nomex flight suit.
C'mon folks.
John Hilterman
Yak-50 owner
former F-18 driver
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Nomex or No Nomex
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
About the flight suit requirement for participating in Red Star
Activities............
Just as food for thought, fuel lines run thru the cabin of the venerable
Cessna 172 as well. I have fireproof clothing that don't look like a
flight suit. I guess even with that I would be excluded from Red Star
Activities. So.........In the famous words of our soon to be governator
"hasta la vista, baby"!
Frank
N9110M
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Suits |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
Here's another vote for a deck helmet. I've used them extensively and
they are comfortable, practical and protective. And like Skip and Gus I
am one suave, cool and debonair dude.
Jim
Gus Fraser wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
>
>I'm with Skip (who has been castigated for his helmet). I have a US Navy
>deck helmet It works with DC headsets it is cheap ($40 on Ebay) and is made
>of Kevlar. It has a panel on the front and back and provides great
>protection. The FAA quote the figure of 90% of injuries sustained after
>emergency landing are head injuries. Of course there are those amongst us
>who will say that we lack a certain sartorial eloquence but hey at least we
>get to buy a few more beers with the money we save.
>
>Gus
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nomex or no Nomex |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Firstly,
Arnold doesnt need to wear nomex, he is living tissue over an armor skeleton
and in the case of a fire his skin would burn off but he could keep flying.
I have to wear nomex underwear due to my love of mexican food, its a little
itchy but has kept my outer garments in tact.
I dont think my YPA, and other patches would look very good on my Ralph
Lauren Nomex polo shirts and slacks (its from his fire rescue line).
Women love guys in flight suits, plus at airshows the kids like to get up
close to a real life pilot, they wouldnt know it if we werent wearing our
way cool flight suits. "No problema dude"
If you didnt wear a helmet the best you could do is paint up your headsets,
to match that real cool Piper paint scheme you put on your warbird.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nomex or no Nomex
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
> >
>
> Looks like someone has a bone to pick here, but I think you're barking
> up the wrong tree here, Frank.
> >
> > About the flight suit requirement for participating in Red Star
> > Activities............
> > Just as food for thought, fuel lines run thru the cabin of the venerable
> > Cessna 172 as well.
>
> Yes, and the Highway Patrol, USFS, US Customs, etc. ALL wear flight
> suits AND helmets when flying their Cessnas....and they are not even
> flying in formation. Hmmm....
>
> > I have fireproof clothing that don't look like a
> > flight suit. I guess even with that I would be excluded from Red Star
> > Activities.
>
> I'm sure if you could demonstrate that your fireproof clothing provides
> the same protection as a flight suit, and get it approved by the FAST
> board (not our Association, the governing body of formation flying),
> you'd be welcome to wear it. I'd actually like some fireproof clothing,
> Frank, what type of stuff is it and where did you get it?
>
> One thing we all need to remember here is that as a part of ANY
> association there are certain guidelines that need to be followed so as
> to mitigate the liability of the association. Even if this association
> did not require Nomex flight suits, if someone burned up in an
> association sponsored formation activity the association would be found
> negligent for not adhearing to widely accepted standards.
>
> Even as a flight lead, you are responsible for all the pilots in your
> flight, and as such could be held liable as well. Wether the charge
> sticks or not is immaterial, you'll spend a couple of Yaks in legal
> bills.
> > So.........In the famous words of our soon to be governator
> > "hasta la vista, baby"!
>
> I think it's very unfortunate to somehow associate your position with
> one of someone who stands up for what they believe in. I don't think
> Arnold would ever cut and run....
>
> All this over a $40 flight suit? C'mon Frank.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Barry
>
> Barry Hancock
> Director of Operations
> Red Stars, Inc.
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
>
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| Subject: | Yak 52 vs CJ's They both do acro well |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Just having a little fun,,,,,,,,,
Flat inverted spins will keep you pressed against the wall of the cockpit
and your heart a racing.........
We do spins upright and inverted to practice for accidental departures
during ACM. All fun stuff in the Yak 52.
Keep smiling and stay safe out there........
Mark (SHREK) Schrick
YAK Driver, Inc
Western USA Dealer for AEROSTAR (Yak 52TW/W)
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, CA 95120
(408) 323-5150 phone/fax
(408) 391-6664 cell
www.yakdriver.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 08/08/03
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> Maybe you should talked to the pilot who sat though inverted flat spins
> at
> MTW about just what the CJ-6 can and cannot do. Don't sell short this
> bent wing
>
> beauty.
Or perhaps have attended an IAC event awhile back where a CJ
outperformed a Yak-52 to win it's class.....
Yes, Mark, we're listening. :)
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops,
I'm off air awhile. Gone to fly the B-24 for awhile (2 weeks) than south to
Belo Horizonta, Bz. to be with our #2 grandson for a week or so.
Should see one hell of a warbird show at Willow Run tomorrow when I catch up
with the B-24. Understand that there are 4 (yes FOUR) B-17s there as well as
a bunch of other WW2 stuff not normally seen (like a Helldiver).
Anyway I should be back on line after Sept one.
Fly safe guys. Make sure the nut on the stick is tight.
Jim Goolsby
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tjohnson@cannonaviation.com>
Is the Nanchang basically a copy of the Yakovlev model 18 design?
Or did the Chinese redesign the aircraft from scratch??
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