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1. 01:42 AM - 5o wings on a 52. (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
2. 07:54 AM - Re: Jefferies-Baranov (Brian Lloyd)
3. 07:57 AM - Re: Jefferies-Baranov (Brian Lloyd)
4. 08:25 AM - Re: Brian is probably right (Brian Lloyd)
5. 08:28 AM - Re: Jefferies-Baranov (Brian Lloyd)
6. 08:53 AM - East of the Rockies (Barry Hancock)
7. 12:58 PM - Air Leak in wing (Jorgen Nielsen @ Mweb)
8. 03:51 PM - Re: All Red Star III (Robert Mortara)
9. 03:56 PM - Re: Air Leak in wing (Gus Fraser)
10. 05:23 PM - Re: All Red Star III (A. Dennis Savarese)
11. 06:12 PM - Re: All Red Star III (Gus Fraser)
12. 06:14 PM - YAK-52 FOR SALE (Frank Haertlein)
13. 06:19 PM - Re: All Red Star III (A. Dennis Savarese)
14. 11:06 PM - East Coast All Red Star (Tim Gagnon)
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| Subject: | 5o wings on a 52. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark@yakuk.com>
YAK 50 wings on a 52.
Wings will not fit, the 50 is mounted with 20 mm bolts, the 52 with 22mm.
The 50 has narrower space between the main lugs.
These engineering aspects could be over come but the 50 wings were designed for
max T/O of 995 KG's, when all the spar A/D's were done and 935 KG's without.
So Even if you make the wings fit there will be no useful load. So its a non starter!!
Bye a YAK52 TW now or wait a few more months for a YAK 52TD with completely flush
U/c retraction and other refinements.
cheers, MJ
YAK UK Ltd.
Dean Courtney <deancourtney696@hotmail.com> wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by:
"Dean Courtney"
Yakers,
I will submit my ignorance for all to see, and look forward to controversy
this may start.
Will Yak 50 wings fit on a Yak 52? I know the flap, and fuel tank issues.
Are the attach points the same or not? Anybody tried it, and know for a
fact, first hand knowledge is a plus.
Thanks!
Dean Courtney Yak 50 84-2805
deancourtney696@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Jefferies-Baranov |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Lee Taylor wrote:
>>Sorry, silly me. I wouldn't acknowledge me if I were me
>>either. What was it that Groucho Marx said about not
>>belonging to any club that would have him?
>
>
> Brian: Then what are you doing belonging to this
> "club". Because, speaking only for myself, I think this club is lucky
> to have a few of your type around.
Just making a joke. I started the Yak list and for all its faults and the faults
of the people involved, I think it has been useful.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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| Subject: | Re: Jefferies-Baranov |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Gus Fraser wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
>
> What ! Brian went to school? See this is a great informative list...
>
> :) only kidding Brian.
Actually, I sprang fully formed from the head of Zeus and therefore had all his
knowledge and wisdom. School was just a ruse. :-)
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: Brian is probably right |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Roger Baker wrote:
> You're probably right. Some differences make things interesting and it
> might be boring if they were solved. That sort of thing keeps soap operas
> alive, I guess.
Right. You know, we really need to come up with a name for the soap opera part
of this. Something like, "As the Stomach Turns," "Guiding Fright," "The Old
and the Clueless," "The Bald and the Brainless," "All My Children" (oops, that
one is already taken), "Pistons," "Dives of our Lives," "Mayberry FBO," etc.
I am sure we can come up with something good.
> And no, I'm not the Roger Baker that you went to school with in West
> Covina. I do, however, know where West Covina is. It's where Arnold
> Schwarzenegger isn't from.
I wouldn't admit it either.
> There's an FAA inspector named Roger Baker who
> probably is from West Covina.
Yeah, he was kind of a whiny-assed crybaby type. He would fit well into the FAA.
> Best regards to you (are you part of the "ho hum, another s____ day in
> paradise" group of ex-pats down there?) If so, must be NICE. Mebbe' on
> day, I'll...........ah,well.......
Me? No. I haven't quite figured out what I am doing down here. I think I will
have another boat drink and think about it some more.
> I'M BEGINNING TO FEEL LIKE THE GUY WHO QUIT 'RASSLIN' WITH PIGS BY
> ANNOUNCING "I'M STOPPING DOING THIS.....ALL I GET IS COVERED WITH MUD AND I
> THINK THE PIG LIKES IT"
Oink!
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: Jefferies-Baranov |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Gus Fraser wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
>
> What ! Brian went to school? See this is a great informative list...
>
> :) only kidding Brian.
Actually, I sprang fully formed from the head of Zeus and therefore had all his
knowledge and wisdom. School was just a ruse. :-)
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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| Subject: | East of the Rockies |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Gang,
The success of the All Red Star events is surely something for the whole
community to be proud of and want to be a part of. An East Cost All Red
Star is something that *should* be a reality. In order to put together
something of this magnitude it takes a planning team. Obviously, the
first couple of years are the most labor intensive, but it takes
literally a couple thousand man hours to put this thing on. Drew, along
with myself last year, have done a lot of the "teeth cutting" and the
learning curve is therefore greatly reduced for an Eastern All Red
Star. That being said we started planning for 2004 the day the 2003 ARS
ended. ARS events are not putting together a fly-in, they are closer
to putting on an airshow. In fact, that was the goal with ARS West
(which is becoming a reality), and needs to be the goal with an ARS East.
Jeff Linebaugh has volunteered to head up the effort to establish such
an event east of the Rockies. If anyone would be willing to assist
Jeff, or can come up with a *dedicated* team, to make this happen, let
Drew or myself know.
Dennis, alternating East and West coast for the event would be splitting
the fun...we want to double it! :)
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| From: | "Jorgen Nielsen @ Mweb" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za> |
| Subject: | Air Leak in wing |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen @ Mweb" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Hi All
Seems a message I posted the other day did not make it to the list.
Yesterday I pulled the panels covering the wing join to fuse, and around
gear. No leaks. After lots of poking around found the leak - one of the
pipes carrying air to the gear (must be the gear down pipe) is cracked - the
air leaks out with force, I found it by inserting my arm into the wing
section through one of the round cut-outs behind the flap (with flap down)
and could put a fingertip on the leak. The four pipes enter the wing
through a plate that is bolted onto the wing root. Problem as I see it is
that the pipes are also supported by clamps inside the wing. Any ideas?
Can one draw the pipes out somehow, or worst case (horrors) remove the wing
skin?
Any advice would be much appreciated. And d**n, there goes my weekend.
Jorgen
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| Subject: | All Red Star III |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Robert Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
How about a East Coast Red Star.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Subject: Re: Yak-List: All Red Star III
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Once again, the majority of the folks east of the Mississippi won't be
attending unless we decide to either have an All Red Star-East or a more
centralized US location for the May 19-23 convention. Either that or maybe
start alternating east and west every other year.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
Subject: Yak-List: All Red Star III
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
>
> Folks,
>
> Although ICAS won't be publishing their firmed up 2004 schedule until
after their Dec organizers meet, we are suggesting the following dates for
the 2004 All Red Star convention;
>
> Wed May 19 - Sunday May 23
>
> Feel free to e-mail me directly if you know of a major western regional
event on that weekend...
>
> Once again, the first three days would be geared for FAST and ACM. We
have waivered airspace and full FAA/County support so the weekend should
provide a new dynamic to the event for those of you with 800 or lower
cards...
>
> Look for the Oct issue of pilot journal magazine on the 2003 event and
your association.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Thanks,
> Drew
>
>
> Drew Blahnick
> YPA/RedStar Pilots Association
> Cell310-386-9181
> www.yakpilots.org
> "Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
>
>
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| Subject: | Air Leak in wing |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
You may get better access by removal of the tanks this is relatively easy
and should give some decent access. Face it if it was easy it would not be
worth it :)
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
@ Mweb
Subject: Yak-List: Air Leak in wing
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen @ Mweb"
<jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Hi All
Seems a message I posted the other day did not make it to the list.
Yesterday I pulled the panels covering the wing join to fuse, and around
gear. No leaks. After lots of poking around found the leak - one of the
pipes carrying air to the gear (must be the gear down pipe) is cracked - the
air leaks out with force, I found it by inserting my arm into the wing
section through one of the round cut-outs behind the flap (with flap down)
and could put a fingertip on the leak. The four pipes enter the wing
through a plate that is bolted onto the wing root. Problem as I see it is
that the pipes are also supported by clamps inside the wing. Any ideas?
Can one draw the pipes out somehow, or worst case (horrors) remove the wing
skin?
Any advice would be much appreciated. And d**n, there goes my weekend.
Jorgen
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| Subject: | Re: All Red Star III |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
I think that is what Barry Hancock was eluding to in his post with Jeff
Linebaugh heading up the effort.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: All Red Star III
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Robert Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
>
> How about a East Coast Red Star.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis
> Savarese
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: All Red Star III
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> Once again, the majority of the folks east of the Mississippi won't be
> attending unless we decide to either have an All Red Star-East or a more
> centralized US location for the May 19-23 convention. Either that or
maybe
> start alternating east and west every other year.
> Dennis Savarese
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: All Red Star III
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > Although ICAS won't be publishing their firmed up 2004 schedule until
> after their Dec organizers meet, we are suggesting the following dates for
> the 2004 All Red Star convention;
> >
> > Wed May 19 - Sunday May 23
> >
> > Feel free to e-mail me directly if you know of a major western regional
> event on that weekend...
> >
> > Once again, the first three days would be geared for FAST and ACM. We
> have waivered airspace and full FAA/County support so the weekend should
> provide a new dynamic to the event for those of you with 800 or lower
> cards...
> >
> > Look for the Oct issue of pilot journal magazine on the 2003 event and
> your association.
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Drew
> >
> >
> > Drew Blahnick
> > YPA/RedStar Pilots Association
> > Cell310-386-9181
> > www.yakpilots.org
> > "Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | All Red Star III |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
where would this be based, nearest state.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Subject: Re: Yak-List: All Red Star III
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
I think that is what Barry Hancock was eluding to in his post with Jeff
Linebaugh heading up the effort.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: All Red Star III
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Robert Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
>
> How about a East Coast Red Star.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis
> Savarese
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: All Red Star III
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> Once again, the majority of the folks east of the Mississippi won't be
> attending unless we decide to either have an All Red Star-East or a more
> centralized US location for the May 19-23 convention. Either that or
maybe
> start alternating east and west every other year.
> Dennis Savarese
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: All Red Star III
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > Although ICAS won't be publishing their firmed up 2004 schedule until
> after their Dec organizers meet, we are suggesting the following dates for
> the 2004 All Red Star convention;
> >
> > Wed May 19 - Sunday May 23
> >
> > Feel free to e-mail me directly if you know of a major western regional
> event on that weekend...
> >
> > Once again, the first three days would be geared for FAST and ACM. We
> have waivered airspace and full FAA/County support so the weekend should
> provide a new dynamic to the event for those of you with 800 or lower
> cards...
> >
> > Look for the Oct issue of pilot journal magazine on the 2003 event and
> your association.
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Drew
> >
> >
> > Drew Blahnick
> > YPA/RedStar Pilots Association
> > Cell310-386-9181
> > www.yakpilots.org
> > "Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
OK, Boys;
I'm selling my YAK-52. After two and a half years restoration effort and
six months of flying I need to sell her. She was my first airplane so I
cared for her to the utmost.
She has about 1200 Hrs on the airframe and 470 on the engine with all
original logbooks and maintenance manuals, a brand new Dupont Imron
paint job, new Garmin X-ponder with altitude encoding, intercom, Modern
Radio, tires, brakes, drums, inner tubes, cockpit glass all around,
altimeters, GPS, electric aileron and pitch trim, the air system has
been completely rebuilt, new ignition wires, plugs, clean-up kit, new
upper and lower cowl, cockpit air release, extra air capacity in the
event of main air system pressure loss, Remote activated ELT, new com
antenna, rebuilt and rebalanced prop, rebuilt nose gear, rebuilt main
gear, rotating beacon, landing light, strobes, position lights, new
control fabric, two parachutes, soft/comfortable seat cushions and
backings when not doing aerobatics, canopy lock, automotive tow bar,
hand tow bar, new elevator cables with roller bearing pulleys, etc. The
only thing she really needs is new cowl louvers. I'm asking 80K OBO. If
I were to charge for my labor in restoring this airplane I should be
asking over 100K!!! She'll have a brand new annual dated the day you
take possession of her. Contact me at 760-784-0818 or email to
yak52driver@earthlink.net.
Here are some pictures
http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver/1yakpage/my_yak-52_pics.html
Best Regards
Frank Haertlein.
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| Subject: | Re: All Red Star III |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Your guess is as good as mine Gus.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: All Red Star III
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
>
> where would this be based, nearest state.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis
> Savarese
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: All Red Star III
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> I think that is what Barry Hancock was eluding to in his post with Jeff
> Linebaugh heading up the effort.
> Dennis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: All Red Star III
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Robert Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
> >
> > How about a East Coast Red Star.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis
> > Savarese
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: All Red Star III
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> >
> > Once again, the majority of the folks east of the Mississippi won't be
> > attending unless we decide to either have an All Red Star-East or a more
> > centralized US location for the May 19-23 convention. Either that or
> maybe
> > start alternating east and west every other year.
> > Dennis Savarese
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: All Red Star III
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
> > >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > Although ICAS won't be publishing their firmed up 2004 schedule until
> > after their Dec organizers meet, we are suggesting the following dates
for
> > the 2004 All Red Star convention;
> > >
> > > Wed May 19 - Sunday May 23
> > >
> > > Feel free to e-mail me directly if you know of a major western
regional
> > event on that weekend...
> > >
> > > Once again, the first three days would be geared for FAST and ACM. We
> > have waivered airspace and full FAA/County support so the weekend should
> > provide a new dynamic to the event for those of you with 800 or lower
> > cards...
> > >
> > > Look for the Oct issue of pilot journal magazine on the 2003 event and
> > your association.
> > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Drew
> > >
> > >
> > > Drew Blahnick
> > > YPA/RedStar Pilots Association
> > > Cell310-386-9181
> > > www.yakpilots.org
> > > "Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | East Coast All Red Star |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <niftyyak50@msn.com>
Looks like we need a East Coast event. I have helped produce a few airshows
and aviation events and would be happy to have one in the Cincinnati area.
Anyone interested in that? Probably could not have it by next year...maybe
late next year??
Thoughts!?
Tim Gagnon
Yak-50 84-2805....uhmmmm or 2305......huh?
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