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1. 12:25 AM - Re: Relocation paperwork (Michael Di Marco)
2. 05:38 AM - Re: Relocation paperwork (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 05:51 AM - Re: Relocation paperwork (Ernie)
4. 06:45 AM - M14P motor mounts (Richard Basiliere)
5. 06:55 AM - Re: Relocation paperwork (Aubrey Price)
6. 10:30 AM - Name that Nanchang (Skipsly@aol.com)
7. 04:26 PM - Calling all Yak 50's (Dean Courtney)
8. 05:39 PM - Re: Relocation paperwork (Richard Basiliere)
9. 06:44 PM - Re: Relocation paperwork (Dave Strawn)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
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Sorry gang but I don't get what all the hub-bub is about. I notified the new FSDO
of my impending arrival. I told them where the airplane would be hangared
and my contact information. That's all that is required. Nothing in the order
requires reissuance of an airworthiness cert unless there is a change in ownership.
Maintenance programs are not required for recips under 800hp.
All we have to do once certified is communicate, not ask permission. You ask the
FAA a question than you deserve ..... ah, have to be ready for the answer.
Communicate but don't expect a response.
Mike Di Marco
China Blue
"A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
Here's the sad truth of the situation. If the Operating Limitations have the home-base
airport listed in them (and most, but not all do), then the OL's must
be reissued because the home-base airport changes and the 300 NM Proficiency Area
changes, regardless if anything else changes. Then because the OL's and Special
Airworthiness Certificate are married together, when the OL's change due
to the aforementioned, a new Special Airworthiness Certificate must be issued.
To get a Special Airworthiness Certificate one must complete an 8130-6, Application
for Airworthiness Certificate. Even though the Special Airworthiness Certificate
has no expiration once the OL's change the current Airworthiness Certificate
is void and vice versa.
With regards to inspecting the airplane, we all know the FAA has the "right" to
inspect the airplane if they so choose. However, if you show the FSDO person
your current log books when you turn in the 8130-6, pointing out the most recent
signed off annual condition inspection, they typically accept that as meeting
the inspection requirements since obviously the airplane had to already have
gone through and airwortiness certification inspection, which BTW may also be
signed off in your log books.
Lastly and even more ridiculous is, if you move your airplane from your present
home base airport to another airport, say 8 miles away, you have to go through
the same rigmarole.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Davis"
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis"
>
> Do whatever you think is best, but I would politely tell them I want to
see
> the requirement for a new airworthiness inspection in writing in the ops
> procedures. I don't believe it exists.
>
>
> >From: "Dave Strawn"
> >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
> >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:01:18 -0400
> >
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dave Strawn"
> >
> >Craig,
> >
> >I just moved my plane from California to Atlanta and the local FSDO here
is
> >requiring that I complete an 8130-6 form and they must come out inspect
my
> >plane and reissue the airworthiness certificate. The original
> >airworthiness
> >cert. was done in California. I quess that's not acceptable in Georgia
> >(joke). They will redo the operating limitations also, but I expected
> >that.
> >I've worked with the USDA in the food business for 20 years and the FAA
is
> >similar, i.e., no two regional offices interpret the regulations the
same.
> >Will just suffer through it unless someone has a better suggestion.
> >
> >Misery likes company,
> >
> >Dave Strawn
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From:
> >To:
> >Subject: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com
> > >
> > > Well, just when I thought the FAA paperwork was going to go
> > > rather smooth for my move, the local FSDO must have
> > > appointed a newbie to learn the ropes. My A/C has been
> > > flying 8 years over here on Chicago FSDO restrictions but
> > > now my CJ is in the Orlando FSDO. Has anyone been required
> > > to submit a copy of their "inspection program identifying
> > > the person responsible for scheduling and performing the
> > > inspections"?
> > >
> > > Craig Payne
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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<DIV>Sorry gang but I don't get what all the hub-bub is about. I notified
the new FSDO of my impending arrival. I told them where the airplane would
be hangared and my contact information. That's all that is required.
Nothing in the order requires reissuance of an airworthiness cert unless
there is a change in ownership. Maintenance programs are not required
for recips under 800hp. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>All we have to do once certified is communicate, not ask permission.
You ask the FAA a question than you deserve ..... ah, have to be ready for the
answer. Communicate but don't expect a response.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Mike Di Marco</DIV>
<DIV>China Blue<BR><BR><B><I>"A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
#1010ff 2px solid">--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<ADSAVAR@GTE.NET><BR><BR>Here's the sad truth of the situation. If the Operating
Limitations have the home-base airport listed in them (and most, but not all
do), then the OL's must be reissued because the home-base airport changes and
the 300 NM Proficiency Area changes, regardless if anything else changes. Then
because the OL's and Special Airworthiness Certificate are married together,
when the OL's change due to the aforementioned, a new Special Airworthiness
Certificate must be issued. To get a Special Airworthiness Certificate one must
complete an 8130-6, Application for Airworthiness Certificate. Even though the
Special Airworthiness Certificate has no expiration once the OL's change the
current Airworthiness Certificate is void and vice versa.<BR><BR>With regards
to inspecting the airplane, we all know the FAA has
the
"right" to inspect the airplane if they so choose. However, if you show the FSDO
person your current log books when you turn in the 8130-6, pointing out the
most recent signed off annual condition inspection, they typically accept that
as meeting the inspection requirements since obviously the airplane had to already
have gone through and airwortiness certification inspection, which BTW
may also be signed off in your log books.<BR><BR>Lastly and even more ridiculous
is, if you move your airplane from your present home base airport to another
airport, say 8 miles away, you have to go through the same rigmarole.<BR>Dennis<BR><BR><BR>-----
Original Message -----<BR>From: "Ron Davis" <L39PARTS@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>To:
<YAK-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation
paperwork<BR><BR><BR>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <L39PARTS@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>><BR>>
Do whatever you think is best, but I would
politely tell them I want to<BR>see<BR>> the requi
rement
for a new airworthiness inspection in writing in the ops<BR>> procedures. I
don't believe it exists.<BR>><BR>><BR>> >From: "Dave Strawn" <DASTRAWN@MINDSPRING.COM><BR>>
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com<BR>> >To:
<YAK-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>> >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork<BR>>
>Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:01:18 -0400<BR>> ><BR>>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dave Strawn" <DASTRAWN@MINDSPRING.COM><BR>>
><BR>> >Craig,<BR>> ><BR>> >I just moved my plane
from California to Atlanta and the local FSDO here<BR>is<BR>> >requiring
that I complete an 8130-6 form and they must come out inspect<BR>my<BR>>
>plane and reissue the airworthiness certificate. The original<BR>> >airworthiness<BR>>
>cert. was done in California. I quess that's not acceptable
in Georgia<BR>> >(joke). They will redo the operating limitations
also, but I expected<BR>> >that.<BR>> &g
t;I've
worked with the USDA in the food business for 20 years and the FAA<BR>is<BR>>
>similar, i.e., no two regional offices interpret the regulations the<BR>same.<BR>>
>Will just suffer through it unless someone has a better suggestion.<BR>>
><BR>> >Misery likes company,<BR>> ><BR>> >Dave
Strawn<BR>> >----- Original Message -----<BR>> >From: <CPAYNE@JOIMAIL.COM><BR>>
>To: <YAK-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>> >Subject:
Yak-List: Relocation paperwork<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > > -->
Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > Well, just when I thought the FAA paperwork was going to go<BR>>
> > rather smooth for my move, the local FSDO must have<BR>> > >
appointed a newbie to learn the ropes. My A/C has been<BR>> > > flying
8 years over here on Chicago FSDO restrictions but<BR>> > > now my
CJ is in the Orlando FSDO. Has anyone been required
<BR>>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Mike,
That's great news, but as a word of caution, if your Operating Limitations
state the name of your home base airport and you get ramped checked,
particularly at your home field, then both the Airworthiness Certificate and
the Operating Limitations are invalid. Yes, change of ownership naturally
requires reissuance of the AC and OL's. But as I said, if the home base
airport is changed, then so is the 300 NM proficiency area. That's why the
OL's and thus the AC become invalid. Do you have a chart/map with your 300
NM proficiency area drawn on it? If your OL's do not have the home base
airport stated in them, then this email is a mute point.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Di Marco" <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
<cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
>
> --0-31606606-1065165917=:10265
>
> Sorry gang but I don't get what all the hub-bub is about. I notified the
new FSDO of my impending arrival. I told them where the airplane would be
hangared and my contact information. That's all that is required. Nothing
in the order requires reissuance of an airworthiness cert unless there is a
change in ownership. Maintenance programs are not required for recips under
800hp.
>
> All we have to do once certified is communicate, not ask permission. You
ask the FAA a question than you deserve ..... ah, have to be ready for the
answer. Communicate but don't expect a response.
>
> Mike Di Marco
> China Blue
>
> "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
>
> Here's the sad truth of the situation. If the Operating Limitations have
the home-base airport listed in them (and most, but not all do), then the
OL's must be reissued because the home-base airport changes and the 300 NM
Proficiency Area changes, regardless if anything else changes. Then because
the OL's and Special Airworthiness Certificate are married together, when
the OL's change due to the aforementioned, a new Special Airworthiness
Certificate must be issued. To get a Special Airworthiness Certificate one
must complete an 8130-6, Application for Airworthiness Certificate. Even
though the Special Airworthiness Certificate has no expiration once the OL's
change the current Airworthiness Certificate is void and vice versa.
>
> With regards to inspecting the airplane, we all know the FAA has the
"right" to inspect the airplane if they so choose. However, if you show the
FSDO person your current log books when you turn in the 8130-6, pointing out
the most recent signed off annual condition inspection, they typically
accept that as meeting the inspection requirements since obviously the
airplane had to already have gone through and airwortiness certification
inspection, which BTW may also be signed off in your log books.
>
> Lastly and even more ridiculous is, if you move your airplane from your
present home base airport to another airport, say 8 miles away, you have to
go through the same rigmarole.
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Davis"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis"
> >
> > Do whatever you think is best, but I would politely tell them I want to
> see
> > the requirement for a new airworthiness inspection in writing in the ops
> > procedures. I don't believe it exists.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Dave Strawn"
> > >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
> > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:01:18 -0400
> > >
> > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dave Strawn"
> > >
> > >Craig,
> > >
> > >I just moved my plane from California to Atlanta and the local FSDO
here
> is
> > >requiring that I complete an 8130-6 form and they must come out inspect
> my
> > >plane and reissue the airworthiness certificate. The original
> > >airworthiness
> > >cert. was done in California. I quess that's not acceptable in Georgia
> > >(joke). They will redo the operating limitations also, but I expected
> > >that.
> > >I've worked with the USDA in the food business for 20 years and the FAA
> is
> > >similar, i.e., no two regional offices interpret the regulations the
> same.
> > >Will just suffer through it unless someone has a better suggestion.
> > >
> > >Misery likes company,
> > >
> > >Dave Strawn
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From:
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com
> > > >
> > > > Well, just when I thought the FAA paperwork was going to go
> > > > rather smooth for my move, the local FSDO must have
> > > > appointed a newbie to learn the ropes. My A/C has been
> > > > flying 8 years over here on Chicago FSDO restrictions but
> > > > now my CJ is in the Orlando FSDO. Has anyone been required
> > > > to submit a copy of their "inspection program identifying
> > > > the person responsible for scheduling and performing the
> > > > inspections"?
> > > >
> > > > Craig Payne
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> --0-31606606-1065165917=:10265
>
> <DIV>Sorry gang but I don't get what all the hub-bub is about. I
notified the new FSDO of my impending arrival. I told them where the
airplane would be hangared and my contact information. That's all that
is required. Nothing in the order requires reissuance of an
airworthiness cert unless there is a change in ownership. Maintenance
programs are not required for recips under 800hp. </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>All we have to do once certified is communicate, not ask
permission. You ask the FAA a question than you deserve ..... ah, have
to be ready for the answer. Communicate but don't expect a
response.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Mike Di Marco</DIV>
> <DIV>China Blue<BR><BR><B><I>"A. Dennis Savarese"
<adsavar@gte.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">--> Yak-List message posted by: "A.
Dennis Savarese" <ADSAVAR@GTE.NET><BR><BR>Here's the sad truth of the
situation. If the Operating Limitations have the home-base airport listed in
them (and most, but not all do), then the OL's must be reissued because the
home-base airport changes and the 300 NM Proficiency Area changes,
regardless if anything else changes. Then because the OL's and Special
Airworthiness Certificate are married together, when the OL's change due to
the aforementioned, a new Special Airworthiness Certificate must be issued.
To get a Special Airworthiness Certificate one must complete an 8130-6,
Application for Airworthiness Certificate. Even though the Special
Airworthiness Certificate has no expiration once the OL's change the current
Airworthiness Certificate is void and vice versa.<BR><BR>With regards to
inspecting the airplane, we all know the FAA has
> the
> "right" to inspect the airplane if they so choose. However, if you show
the FSDO person your current log books when you turn in the 8130-6, pointing
out the most recent signed off annual condition inspection, they typically
accept that as meeting the inspection requirements since obviously the
airplane had to already have gone through and airwortiness certification
inspection, which BTW may also be signed off in your log
books.<BR><BR>Lastly and even more ridiculous is, if you move your airplane
from your present home base airport to another airport, say 8 miles away,
you have to go through the same rigmarole.<BR>Dennis<BR><BR><BR>-----
Original Message -----<BR>From: "Ron Davis" <L39PARTS@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>To:
<YAK-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation
paperwork<BR><BR><BR>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis"
<L39PARTS@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>><BR>> Do whatever you think is best, but I
would politely tell them I want to<BR>see<BR>> the requi
> rement
> for a new airworthiness inspection in writing in the ops<BR>>
procedures. I don't believe it exists.<BR>><BR>><BR>> >From:
"Dave Strawn" <DASTRAWN@MINDSPRING.COM><BR>> >Reply-To:
yak-list@matronics.com<BR>> >To: <YAK-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>>
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork<BR>> >Date: Thu, 18
Sep 2003 22:01:18 -0400<BR>> ><BR>> >--> Yak-List message
posted by: "Dave Strawn" <DASTRAWN@MINDSPRING.COM><BR>> ><BR>>
>Craig,<BR>> ><BR>> >I just moved my plane from California to
Atlanta and the local FSDO here<BR>is<BR>> >requiring that I complete
an 8130-6 form and they must come out inspect<BR>my<BR>> >plane and
reissue the airworthiness certificate. The original<BR>>
>airworthiness<BR>> >cert. was done in California. I quess that's
not acceptable in Georgia<BR>> >(joke). They will redo the operating
limitations also, but I expected<BR>> >that.<BR>> &g
> t;I've
> worked with the USDA in the food business for 20 years and the
FAA<BR>is<BR>> >similar, i.e., no two regional offices interpret the
regulations the<BR>same.<BR>> >Will just suffer through it unless
someone has a better suggestion.<BR>> ><BR>> >Misery likes
company,<BR>> ><BR>> >Dave Strawn<BR>> >----- Original
Message -----<BR>> >From: <CPAYNE@JOIMAIL.COM><BR>> >To:
<YAK-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>> >Subject: Yak-List: Relocation
paperwork<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > > --> Yak-List
message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
Well, just when I thought the FAA paperwork was going to go<BR>> >
> rather smooth for my move, the local FSDO must have<BR>> > >
appointed a newbie to learn the ropes. My A/C has been<BR>> > >
flying 8 years over here on Chicago FSDO restrictions but<BR>> > >
now my CJ is in the Orlando FSDO. Has anyone been required
> <BR>>
> --0-31606606-1065165917=:10265--
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
You're right on the maint program, but whenever the home base is changed
they do issue a new AW cert.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Di Marco" <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
<cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
>
> --0-31606606-1065165917=:10265
>
> Sorry gang but I don't get what all the hub-bub is about. I notified the
new FSDO of my impending arrival. I told them where the airplane would be
hangared and my contact information. That's all that is required. Nothing
in the order requires reissuance of an airworthiness cert unless there is a
change in ownership. Maintenance programs are not required for recips under
800hp.
>
> All we have to do once certified is communicate, not ask permission. You
ask the FAA a question than you deserve ..... ah, have to be ready for the
answer. Communicate but don't expect a response.
>
> Mike Di Marco
> China Blue
>
> "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
>
> Here's the sad truth of the situation. If the Operating Limitations have
the home-base airport listed in them (and most, but not all do), then the
OL's must be reissued because the home-base airport changes and the 300 NM
Proficiency Area changes, regardless if anything else changes. Then because
the OL's and Special Airworthiness Certificate are married together, when
the OL's change due to the aforementioned, a new Special Airworthiness
Certificate must be issued. To get a Special Airworthiness Certificate one
must complete an 8130-6, Application for Airworthiness Certificate. Even
though the Special Airworthiness Certificate has no expiration once the OL's
change the current Airworthiness Certificate is void and vice versa.
>
> With regards to inspecting the airplane, we all know the FAA has the
"right" to inspect the airplane if they so choose. However, if you show the
FSDO person your current log books when you turn in the 8130-6, pointing out
the most recent signed off annual condition inspection, they typically
accept that as meeting the inspection requirements since obviously the
airplane had to already have gone through and airwortiness certification
inspection, which BTW may also be signed off in your log books.
>
> Lastly and even more ridiculous is, if you move your airplane from your
present home base airport to another airport, say 8 miles away, you have to
go through the same rigmarole.
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Davis"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis"
> >
> > Do whatever you think is best, but I would politely tell them I want to
> see
> > the requirement for a new airworthiness inspection in writing in the ops
> > procedures. I don't believe it exists.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Dave Strawn"
> > >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
> > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:01:18 -0400
> > >
> > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dave Strawn"
> > >
> > >Craig,
> > >
> > >I just moved my plane from California to Atlanta and the local FSDO
here
> is
> > >requiring that I complete an 8130-6 form and they must come out inspect
> my
> > >plane and reissue the airworthiness certificate. The original
> > >airworthiness
> > >cert. was done in California. I quess that's not acceptable in Georgia
> > >(joke). They will redo the operating limitations also, but I expected
> > >that.
> > >I've worked with the USDA in the food business for 20 years and the FAA
> is
> > >similar, i.e., no two regional offices interpret the regulations the
> same.
> > >Will just suffer through it unless someone has a better suggestion.
> > >
> > >Misery likes company,
> > >
> > >Dave Strawn
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From:
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com
> > > >
> > > > Well, just when I thought the FAA paperwork was going to go
> > > > rather smooth for my move, the local FSDO must have
> > > > appointed a newbie to learn the ropes. My A/C has been
> > > > flying 8 years over here on Chicago FSDO restrictions but
> > > > now my CJ is in the Orlando FSDO. Has anyone been required
> > > > to submit a copy of their "inspection program identifying
> > > > the person responsible for scheduling and performing the
> > > > inspections"?
> > > >
> > > > Craig Payne
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> --0-31606606-1065165917=:10265
>
> <DIV>Sorry gang but I don't get what all the hub-bub is about. I
notified the new FSDO of my impending arrival. I told them where the
airplane would be hangared and my contact information. That's all that
is required. Nothing in the order requires reissuance of an
airworthiness cert unless there is a change in ownership. Maintenance
programs are not required for recips under 800hp. </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>All we have to do once certified is communicate, not ask
permission. You ask the FAA a question than you deserve ..... ah, have
to be ready for the answer. Communicate but don't expect a
response.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Mike Di Marco</DIV>
> <DIV>China Blue<BR><BR><B><I>"A. Dennis Savarese"
<adsavar@gte.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">--> Yak-List message posted by: "A.
Dennis Savarese" <ADSAVAR@GTE.NET><BR><BR>Here's the sad truth of the
situation. If the Operating Limitations have the home-base airport listed in
them (and most, but not all do), then the OL's must be reissued because the
home-base airport changes and the 300 NM Proficiency Area changes,
regardless if anything else changes. Then because the OL's and Special
Airworthiness Certificate are married together, when the OL's change due to
the aforementioned, a new Special Airworthiness Certificate must be issued.
To get a Special Airworthiness Certificate one must complete an 8130-6,
Application for Airworthiness Certificate. Even though the Special
Airworthiness Certificate has no expiration once the OL's change the current
Airworthiness Certificate is void and vice versa.<BR><BR>With regards to
inspecting the airplane, we all know the FAA has
> the
> "right" to inspect the airplane if they so choose. However, if you show
the FSDO person your current log books when you turn in the 8130-6, pointing
out the most recent signed off annual condition inspection, they typically
accept that as meeting the inspection requirements since obviously the
airplane had to already have gone through and airwortiness certification
inspection, which BTW may also be signed off in your log
books.<BR><BR>Lastly and even more ridiculous is, if you move your airplane
from your present home base airport to another airport, say 8 miles away,
you have to go through the same rigmarole.<BR>Dennis<BR><BR><BR>-----
Original Message -----<BR>From: "Ron Davis" <L39PARTS@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>To:
<YAK-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation
paperwork<BR><BR><BR>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis"
<L39PARTS@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>><BR>> Do whatever you think is best, but I
would politely tell them I want to<BR>see<BR>> the requi
> rement
> for a new airworthiness inspection in writing in the ops<BR>>
procedures. I don't believe it exists.<BR>><BR>><BR>> >From:
"Dave Strawn" <DASTRAWN@MINDSPRING.COM><BR>> >Reply-To:
yak-list@matronics.com<BR>> >To: <YAK-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>>
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork<BR>> >Date: Thu, 18
Sep 2003 22:01:18 -0400<BR>> ><BR>> >--> Yak-List message
posted by: "Dave Strawn" <DASTRAWN@MINDSPRING.COM><BR>> ><BR>>
>Craig,<BR>> ><BR>> >I just moved my plane from California to
Atlanta and the local FSDO here<BR>is<BR>> >requiring that I complete
an 8130-6 form and they must come out inspect<BR>my<BR>> >plane and
reissue the airworthiness certificate. The original<BR>>
>airworthiness<BR>> >cert. was done in California. I quess that's
not acceptable in Georgia<BR>> >(joke). They will redo the operating
limitations also, but I expected<BR>> >that.<BR>> &g
> t;I've
> worked with the USDA in the food business for 20 years and the
FAA<BR>is<BR>> >similar, i.e., no two regional offices interpret the
regulations the<BR>same.<BR>> >Will just suffer through it unless
someone has a better suggestion.<BR>> ><BR>> >Misery likes
company,<BR>> ><BR>> >Dave Strawn<BR>> >----- Original
Message -----<BR>> >From: <CPAYNE@JOIMAIL.COM><BR>> >To:
<YAK-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>> >Subject: Yak-List: Relocation
paperwork<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > > --> Yak-List
message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
Well, just when I thought the FAA paperwork was going to go<BR>> >
> rather smooth for my move, the local FSDO must have<BR>> > >
appointed a newbie to learn the ropes. My A/C has been<BR>> > >
flying 8 years over here on Chicago FSDO restrictions but<BR>> > >
now my CJ is in the Orlando FSDO. Has anyone been required
> <BR>>
> --0-31606606-1065165917=:10265--
>
>
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| Subject: | M14P motor mounts |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
Folks;
It's the Sukhoi's (29) Inspection time and I'm repasting the motor
mounts. Please...does anyone out there have any sage advise to ease
this job? How much does the engine need to be loosened? Do the mags
need to be removed? Any tricks to facilitate would be most welcome.
Thanks in advance.
Ricky B
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| Subject: | Relocation paperwork |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
I just went through the paperwork on my YAK yesterday in Dallas. I met with
the FAA, they issued a new Special Airworthiness Certificate and Operating
Limitations. It took about 30 minutes. They are required to send the old
Special Airworthiness Certificate, and operation limitations back to
Oklahoma City. This changes the 300NM limit on your aircraft. If you don't
do this, your limits and 300 NM radius are from the address referenced on
the old paperwork. In Dallas I could only fly north since I am 290 miles
south of the previous owners location. The Maintenance program is referenced
in the Operating Limitations.
In short, I sent this link to my inspector a week before I went in.
http://www.tammyprice.com/yak I ask that he look at the maintenance program
listed on this page and make comments. When I arrived, he had my new Special
Airworthiness Certificate ready, reviewed the operation limitations, picked
up the old operation limitations and old Special Airworthiness Certificate
and ask for a letter showing where the aircraft would be going (air shows
etc. ) for the next 12 months. He ask that if I exceed the 300 NM limit or
anything not in the letter, to send him a fax. I don't have to wait for a
reply, just send it. That was it. Very easy.
Aubrey Price
N288Y
Note: I would like to publicly thank A. Dennis Savarese for the help and
direction he has given me. If everyone in the YAK community is like him, I
am going to enjoy YAK ing.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Di Marco [mailto:cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
--0-31606606-1065165917=:10265
Sorry gang but I don't get what all the hub-bub is about. I notified the
new FSDO of my impending arrival. I told them where the airplane would be
hangared and my contact information. That's all that is required. Nothing
in the order requires reissuance of an airworthiness cert unless there is a
change in ownership. Maintenance programs are not required for recips under
800hp.
All we have to do once certified is communicate, not ask permission. You
ask the FAA a question than you deserve ..... ah, have to be ready for the
answer. Communicate but don't expect a response.
Mike Di Marco
China Blue
"A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
Here's the sad truth of the situation. If the Operating Limitations have the
home-base airport listed in them (and most, but not all do), then the OL's
must be reissued because the home-base airport changes and the 300 NM
Proficiency Area changes, regardless if anything else changes. Then because
the OL's and Special Airworthiness Certificate are married together, when
the OL's change due to the aforementioned, a new Special Airworthiness
Certificate must be issued. To get a Special Airworthiness Certificate one
must complete an 8130-6, Application for Airworthiness Certificate. Even
though the Special Airworthiness Certificate has no expiration once the OL's
change the current Airworthiness Certificate is void and vice versa.
With regards to inspecting the airplane, we all know the FAA has the "right"
to inspect the airplane if they so choose. However, if you show the FSDO
person your current log books when you turn in the 8130-6, pointing out the
most recent signed off annual condition inspection, they typically accept
that as meeting the inspection requirements since obviously the airplane had
to already have gone through and airwortiness certification inspection,
which BTW may also be signed off in your log books.
Lastly and even more ridiculous is, if you move your airplane from your
present home base airport to another airport, say 8 miles away, you have to
go through the same rigmarole.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Davis"
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis"
>
> Do whatever you think is best, but I would politely tell them I want to
see
> the requirement for a new airworthiness inspection in writing in the ops
> procedures. I don't believe it exists.
>
>
> >From: "Dave Strawn"
> >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
> >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:01:18 -0400
> >
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dave Strawn"
> >
> >Craig,
> >
> >I just moved my plane from California to Atlanta and the local FSDO here
is
> >requiring that I complete an 8130-6 form and they must come out inspect
my
> >plane and reissue the airworthiness certificate. The original
> >airworthiness
> >cert. was done in California. I quess that's not acceptable in Georgia
> >(joke). They will redo the operating limitations also, but I expected
> >that.
> >I've worked with the USDA in the food business for 20 years and the FAA
is
> >similar, i.e., no two regional offices interpret the regulations the
same.
> >Will just suffer through it unless someone has a better suggestion.
> >
> >Misery likes company,
> >
> >Dave Strawn
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From:
> >To:
> >Subject: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com
> > >
> > > Well, just when I thought the FAA paperwork was going to go
> > > rather smooth for my move, the local FSDO must have
> > > appointed a newbie to learn the ropes. My A/C has been
> > > flying 8 years over here on Chicago FSDO restrictions but
> > > now my CJ is in the Orlando FSDO. Has anyone been required
> > > to submit a copy of their "inspection program identifying
> > > the person responsible for scheduling and performing the
> > > inspections"?
> > >
> > > Craig Payne
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
---------------------------------
--0-31606606-1065165917=:10265
<DIV>Sorry gang but I don't get what all the hub-bub is about. I
notified the new FSDO of my impending arrival. I told them where the
airplane would be hangared and my contact information. That's all that
is required. Nothing in the order requires reissuance of an
airworthiness cert unless there is a change in ownership. Maintenance
programs are not required for recips under 800hp. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>All we have to do once certified is communicate, not ask
permission. You ask the FAA a question than you deserve ..... ah, have
to be ready for the answer. Communicate but don't expect a
response.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Mike Di Marco</DIV>
<DIV>China Blue<BR><BR><B><I>"A. Dennis Savarese"
<adsavar@gte.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">--> Yak-List message posted by: "A.
Dennis Savarese" <ADSAVAR@GTE.NET><BR><BR>Here's the sad truth of the
situation. If the Operating Limitations have the home-base airport listed in
them (and most, but not all do), then the OL's must be reissued because the
home-base airport changes and the 300 NM Proficiency Area changes,
regardless if anything else changes. Then because the OL's and Special
Airworthiness Certificate are married together, when the OL's change due to
the aforementioned, a new Special Airworthiness Certificate must be issued.
To get a Special Airworthiness Certificate one must complete an 8130-6,
Application for Airworthiness Certificate. Even though the Special
Airworthiness Certificate has no expiration once the OL's change the current
Airworthiness Certificate is void and vice versa.<BR><BR>With regards to
inspecting the airplane, we all know the FAA has
the
"right" to inspect the airplane if they so choose. However, if you show the
FSDO person your current log books when you turn in the 8130-6, pointing out
the most recent signed off annual condition inspection, they typically
accept that as meeting the inspection requirements since obviously the
airplane had to already have gone through and airwortiness certification
inspection, which BTW may also be signed off in your log
books.<BR><BR>Lastly and even more ridiculous is, if you move your airplane
from your present home base airport to another airport, say 8 miles away,
you have to go through the same rigmarole.<BR>Dennis<BR><BR><BR>-----
Original Message -----<BR>From: "Ron Davis" <L39PARTS@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>To:
<YAK-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation
paperwork<BR><BR><BR>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis"
<L39PARTS@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>><BR>> Do whatever you think is best, but I
would politely tell them I want to<BR>see<BR>> the requi
rement
for a new airworthiness inspection in writing in the ops<BR>>
procedures. I don't believe it exists.<BR>><BR>><BR>> >From:
"Dave Strawn" <DASTRAWN@MINDSPRING.COM><BR>> >Reply-To:
yak-list@matronics.com<BR>> >To: <YAK-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>>
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork<BR>> >Date: Thu, 18
Sep 2003 22:01:18 -0400<BR>> ><BR>> >--> Yak-List message
posted by: "Dave Strawn" <DASTRAWN@MINDSPRING.COM><BR>> ><BR>>
>Craig,<BR>> ><BR>> >I just moved my plane from California to
Atlanta and the local FSDO here<BR>is<BR>> >requiring that I complete
an 8130-6 form and they must come out inspect<BR>my<BR>> >plane and
reissue the airworthiness certificate. The original<BR>>
>airworthiness<BR>> >cert. was done in California. I quess that's
not acceptable in Georgia<BR>> >(joke). They will redo the operating
limitations also, but I expected<BR>> >that.<BR>> &g
t;I've
worked with the USDA in the food business for 20 years and the
FAA<BR>is<BR>> >similar, i.e., no two regional offices interpret the
regulations the<BR>same.<BR>> >Will just suffer through it unless
someone has a better suggestion.<BR>> ><BR>> >Misery likes
company,<BR>> ><BR>> >Dave Strawn<BR>> >----- Original
Message -----<BR>> >From: <CPAYNE@JOIMAIL.COM><BR>> >To:
<YAK-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>> >Subject: Yak-List: Relocation
paperwork<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > > --> Yak-List
message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
Well, just when I thought the FAA paperwork was going to go<BR>> >
> rather smooth for my move, the local FSDO must have<BR>> > >
appointed a newbie to learn the ropes. My A/C has been<BR>> > >
flying 8 years over here on Chicago FSDO restrictions but<BR>> > >
now my CJ is in the Orlando FSDO. Has anyone been required
<BR>>
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| Subject: | Name that Nanchang |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Skipsly@aol.com
Fellow Yakkers,
I noted with interest as I was leafing through the Hongdu Aircraft Factory's
brochure that they call the Nanchang CJ6-A the Petrel Propeller Aircraft. And
there's a picture of about 20 Changs lined up on some flight line. The rather
eccentric translation includes such pearls as:
"The Petrel propeller aircraft is the earliest one that won the
National Quality Prize in China. It belongs to the elementary model for the pilot.
It is the sole one for primary education and training of pilot on domestic
flying vehicle..."
So my question is this: Is Petrel the name the Chinese call the Nanchang?
Anybody? Pappy?
Skip Slyfield
<HTML><FONT FACEarial,helvetica><FONT SIZE2>Fellow Yakkers,
<BR>
<BR>I noted with interest as I was leafing through the Hongdu Aircraft Facto=
ry's brochure that they call the Nanchang CJ6-A the Petrel Propeller Aircraf=
t. And there's a picture of about 20 Changs lined up on some flight line. Th=
e rather eccentric translation includes such pearls as:
<BR> "The Petrel propeller aircraft is t=
he earliest one that won the National Quality Prize in China. It belongs to=20=
the elementary model for the pilot. It is the sole one for primary education=
and training of pilot on domestic flying vehicle..."
<BR>
<BR>So my question is this: Is Petrel the name the Chinese call the Nanchang=
? Anybody? Pappy?
<BR>
<BR>Skip Slyfield</FONT></HTML>
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| Subject: | Calling all Yak 50's |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dean Courtney" <deancourtney696@hotmail.com>
Greetings,
Fellow Yak 50 owners/operators. I am trying to get a handle as to how many
of our rare birds are still in existence, and how many are here in the US.
If you own one, flyable or not. I would love to know your aircrafts serial
number, and home town. If you have a current picture of the bird, and any
back ground on its life here and overseas that you would be willing to
provide that would be welcomed.
Many thanks to Bud Harrell for his Yak 50 registry, I am just hoping to make
his list current, and maybe put a family tree together for these aircraft.
So far I have found our aircrafts "squadron" mate, and some possible leads
as to it's life in Russia, including some of the actual pilots that flew her
there.
My ultimate goal would be to have written history of these birds to include:
pictures of the factory, now and then, Maps & photos of bases they served in
the USSR, bio's of pilots that flew them, pictures on them with the Russian
acro team, ect, ect.
You never know, maybe YOUR aircraft won the world aerobatic championships?
Help me find out. Thanks!
Dean Courtney Yak 50 84-2805
deancourtney696@hotmail.com
1095 Savage Town Rd.
Pell City, Ala. 35125
205-405-0701
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| Subject: | Re: Relocation paperwork |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
unless pre-moratorium, right?
>>> ernest.martinez@oracle.com 10/3/2003 6:51:05 AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
You're right on the maint program, but whenever the home base is
changed
they do issue a new AW cert.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Di Marco" <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
<cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
>
> --0-31606606-1065165917=:10265
>
> Sorry gang but I don't get what all the hub-bub is about. I notified
the
new FSDO of my impending arrival. I told them where the airplane would
be
hangared and my contact information. That's all that is required.
Nothing
in the order requires reissuance of an airworthiness cert unless there
is a
change in ownership. Maintenance programs are not required for recips
under
800hp.
>
> All we have to do once certified is communicate, not ask permission.
You
ask the FAA a question than you deserve ..... ah, have to be ready for
the
answer. Communicate but don't expect a response.
>
> Mike Di Marco
> China Blue
>
> "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
>
> Here's the sad truth of the situation. If the Operating Limitations
have
the home-base airport listed in them (and most, but not all do), then
the
OL's must be reissued because the home-base airport changes and the 300
NM
Proficiency Area changes, regardless if anything else changes. Then
because
the OL's and Special Airworthiness Certificate are married together,
when
the OL's change due to the aforementioned, a new Special Airworthiness
Certificate must be issued. To get a Special Airworthiness Certificate
one
must complete an 8130-6, Application for Airworthiness Certificate.
Even
though the Special Airworthiness Certificate has no expiration once the
OL's
change the current Airworthiness Certificate is void and vice versa.
>
> With regards to inspecting the airplane, we all know the FAA has the
"right" to inspect the airplane if they so choose. However, if you show
the
FSDO person your current log books when you turn in the 8130-6,
pointing out
the most recent signed off annual condition inspection, they typically
accept that as meeting the inspection requirements since obviously the
airplane had to already have gone through and airwortiness
certification
inspection, which BTW may also be signed off in your log books.
>
> Lastly and even more ridiculous is, if you move your airplane from
your
present home base airport to another airport, say 8 miles away, you
have to
go through the same rigmarole.
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Davis"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis"
> >
> > Do whatever you think is best, but I would politely tell them I
want to
> see
> > the requirement for a new airworthiness inspection in writing in
the ops
> > procedures. I don't believe it exists.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Dave Strawn"
> > >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
> > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:01:18 -0400
> > >
> > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dave Strawn"
> > >
> > >Craig,
> > >
> > >I just moved my plane from California to Atlanta and the local
FSDO
here
> is
> > >requiring that I complete an 8130-6 form and they must come out
inspect
> my
> > >plane and reissue the airworthiness certificate. The original
> > >airworthiness
> > >cert. was done in California. I quess that's not acceptable in
Georgia
> > >(joke). They will redo the operating limitations also, but I
expected
> > >that.
> > >I've worked with the USDA in the food business for 20 years and
the FAA
> is
> > >similar, i.e., no two regional offices interpret the regulations
the
> same.
> > >Will just suffer through it unless someone has a better
suggestion.
> > >
> > >Misery likes company,
> > >
> > >Dave Strawn
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From:
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com
> > > >
> > > > Well, just when I thought the FAA paperwork was going to go
> > > > rather smooth for my move, the local FSDO must have
> > > > appointed a newbie to learn the ropes. My A/C has been
> > > > flying 8 years over here on Chicago FSDO restrictions but
> > > > now my CJ is in the Orlando FSDO. Has anyone been required
> > > > to submit a copy of their "inspection program identifying
> > > > the person responsible for scheduling and performing the
> > > > inspections"?
> > > >
> > > > Craig Payne
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> --0-31606606-1065165917=:10265
>
> <DIV>Sorry gang but I don't get what all the hub-bub is about.
I
notified the new FSDO of my impending arrival. I told them where
the
airplane would be hangared and my contact information. That's all
that
is required. Nothing in the order requires reissuance of an
airworthiness cert unless there is a change in ownership.
Maintenance
programs are not required for recips under 800hp. </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>All we have to do once certified is communicate, not ask
permission. You ask the FAA a question than you deserve ..... ah,
have
to be ready for the answer. Communicate but don't expect a
response.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Mike Di Marco</DIV>
> <DIV>China Blue<BR><BR><B><I>"A. Dennis Savarese"
<adsavar@gte.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">--> Yak-List message posted by: "A.
Dennis Savarese" <ADSAVAR@GTE.NET><BR><BR>Here's the sad truth of the
situation. If the Operating Limitations have the home-base airport
listed in
them (and most, but not all do), then the OL's must be reissued because
the
home-base airport changes and the 300 NM Proficiency Area changes,
regardless if anything else changes. Then because the OL's and Special
Airworthiness Certificate are married together, when the OL's change
due to
the aforementioned, a new Special Airworthiness Certificate must be
issued.
To get a Special Airworthiness Certificate one must complete an
8130-6,
Application for Airworthiness Certificate. Even though the Special
Airworthiness Certificate has no expiration once the OL's change the
current
Airworthiness Certificate is void and vice versa.<BR><BR>With regards
to
inspecting the airplane, we all know the FAA has
> the
> "right" to inspect the airplane if they so choose. However, if you
show
the FSDO person your current log books when you turn in the 8130-6,
pointing
out the most recent signed off annual condition inspection, they
typically
accept that as meeting the inspection requirements since obviously the
airplane had to already have gone through and airwortiness
certification
inspection, which BTW may also be signed off in your log
books.<BR><BR>Lastly and even more ridiculous is, if you move your
airplane
from your present home base airport to another airport, say 8 miles
away,
you have to go through the same rigmarole.<BR>Dennis<BR><BR><BR>-----
Original Message -----<BR>From: "Ron Davis"
<L39PARTS@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>To:
<YAK-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation
paperwork<BR><BR><BR>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron
Davis"
<L39PARTS@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>><BR>> Do whatever you think is best,
but I
would politely tell them I want to<BR>see<BR>> the requi
> rement
> for a new airworthiness inspection in writing in the ops<BR>>
procedures. I don't believe it exists.<BR>><BR>><BR>>
>From:
"Dave Strawn" <DASTRAWN@MINDSPRING.COM><BR>> >Reply-To:
yak-list@matronics.com<BR>> >To:
<YAK-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>>
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork<BR>> >Date: Thu,
18
Sep 2003 22:01:18 -0400<BR>> ><BR>> >--> Yak-List
message
posted by: "Dave Strawn" <DASTRAWN@MINDSPRING.COM><BR>>
><BR>>
>Craig,<BR>> ><BR>> >I just moved my plane from
California to
Atlanta and the local FSDO here<BR>is<BR>> >requiring that I
complete
an 8130-6 form and they must come out inspect<BR>my<BR>> >plane
and
reissue the airworthiness certificate. The original<BR>>
>airworthiness<BR>> >cert. was done in California. I quess
that's
not acceptable in Georgia<BR>> >(joke). They will redo the
operating
limitations also, but I expected<BR>> >that.<BR>> &g
> t;I've
> worked with the USDA in the food business for 20 years and the
FAA<BR>is<BR>> >similar, i.e., no two regional offices interpret
the
regulations the<BR>same.<BR>> >Will just suffer through it
unless
someone has a better suggestion.<BR>> ><BR>> >Misery likes
company,<BR>> ><BR>> >Dave Strawn<BR>> >-----
Original
Message -----<BR>> >From: <CPAYNE@JOIMAIL.COM><BR>> >To:
<YAK-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>> >Subject: Yak-List: Relocation
paperwork<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > > --> Yak-List
message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com<BR>> > ><BR>> >
>
Well, just when I thought the FAA paperwork was going to go<BR>>
>
> rather smooth for my move, the local FSDO must have<BR>> >
>
appointed a newbie to learn the ropes. My A/C has been<BR>> >
>
flying 8 years over here on Chicago FSDO restrictions but<BR>> >
>
now my CJ is in the Orlando FSDO. Has anyone been required
> <BR>>
> --0-31606606-1065165917=:10265--
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dave Strawn" <dastrawn@mindspring.com>
I just went through the same process with FAA. They (a supervisor and one
of his inspectors) came to the airport, went through the paperwork, issued a
new AW certificate referencing the new operating limitations which included
the name of the new airport. They then walked out on the ramp and looked at
my CJ. They really did not do a thorough review of the aircraft. They just
walked around it and drooled saying "wow, this is a really nice airplane."
After about ten minutes of this they left at 2:30 and took the afternoon
off. The whole process was painless but time consuming.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aubrey Price" <aprice@vartec.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
>
> I just went through the paperwork on my YAK yesterday in Dallas. I met
with
> the FAA, they issued a new Special Airworthiness Certificate and Operating
> Limitations. It took about 30 minutes. They are required to send the old
> Special Airworthiness Certificate, and operation limitations back to
> Oklahoma City. This changes the 300NM limit on your aircraft. If you don't
> do this, your limits and 300 NM radius are from the address referenced on
> the old paperwork. In Dallas I could only fly north since I am 290 miles
> south of the previous owners location. The Maintenance program is
referenced
> in the Operating Limitations.
>
> In short, I sent this link to my inspector a week before I went in.
> http://www.tammyprice.com/yak I ask that he look at the maintenance
program
> listed on this page and make comments. When I arrived, he had my new
Special
> Airworthiness Certificate ready, reviewed the operation limitations,
picked
> up the old operation limitations and old Special Airworthiness Certificate
> and ask for a letter showing where the aircraft would be going (air shows
> etc. ) for the next 12 months. He ask that if I exceed the 300 NM limit or
> anything not in the letter, to send him a fax. I don't have to wait for a
> reply, just send it. That was it. Very easy.
>
> Aubrey Price
> N288Y
>
> Note: I would like to publicly thank A. Dennis Savarese for the help and
> direction he has given me. If everyone in the YAK community is like him, I
> am going to enjoy YAK ing.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Di Marco [mailto:cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
<cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
>
> --0-31606606-1065165917=:10265
>
> Sorry gang but I don't get what all the hub-bub is about. I notified the
> new FSDO of my impending arrival. I told them where the airplane would be
> hangared and my contact information. That's all that is required.
Nothing
> in the order requires reissuance of an airworthiness cert unless there is
a
> change in ownership. Maintenance programs are not required for recips
under
> 800hp.
>
> All we have to do once certified is communicate, not ask permission. You
> ask the FAA a question than you deserve ..... ah, have to be ready for the
> answer. Communicate but don't expect a response.
>
> Mike Di Marco
> China Blue
>
> "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
>
> Here's the sad truth of the situation. If the Operating Limitations have
the
> home-base airport listed in them (and most, but not all do), then the OL's
> must be reissued because the home-base airport changes and the 300 NM
> Proficiency Area changes, regardless if anything else changes. Then
because
> the OL's and Special Airworthiness Certificate are married together, when
> the OL's change due to the aforementioned, a new Special Airworthiness
> Certificate must be issued. To get a Special Airworthiness Certificate one
> must complete an 8130-6, Application for Airworthiness Certificate. Even
> though the Special Airworthiness Certificate has no expiration once the
OL's
> change the current Airworthiness Certificate is void and vice versa.
>
> With regards to inspecting the airplane, we all know the FAA has the
"right"
> to inspect the airplane if they so choose. However, if you show the FSDO
> person your current log books when you turn in the 8130-6, pointing out
the
> most recent signed off annual condition inspection, they typically accept
> that as meeting the inspection requirements since obviously the airplane
had
> to already have gone through and airwortiness certification inspection,
> which BTW may also be signed off in your log books.
>
> Lastly and even more ridiculous is, if you move your airplane from your
> present home base airport to another airport, say 8 miles away, you have
to
> go through the same rigmarole.
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Davis"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis"
> >
> > Do whatever you think is best, but I would politely tell them I want to
> see
> > the requirement for a new airworthiness inspection in writing in the ops
> > procedures. I don't believe it exists.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Dave Strawn"
> > >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
> > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:01:18 -0400
> > >
> > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dave Strawn"
> > >
> > >Craig,
> > >
> > >I just moved my plane from California to Atlanta and the local FSDO
here
> is
> > >requiring that I complete an 8130-6 form and they must come out inspect
> my
> > >plane and reissue the airworthiness certificate. The original
> > >airworthiness
> > >cert. was done in California. I quess that's not acceptable in Georgia
> > >(joke). They will redo the operating limitations also, but I expected
> > >that.
> > >I've worked with the USDA in the food business for 20 years and the FAA
> is
> > >similar, i.e., no two regional offices interpret the regulations the
> same.
> > >Will just suffer through it unless someone has a better suggestion.
> > >
> > >Misery likes company,
> > >
> > >Dave Strawn
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From:
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com
> > > >
> > > > Well, just when I thought the FAA paperwork was going to go
> > > > rather smooth for my move, the local FSDO must have
> > > > appointed a newbie to learn the ropes. My A/C has been
> > > > flying 8 years over here on Chicago FSDO restrictions but
> > > > now my CJ is in the Orlando FSDO. Has anyone been required
> > > > to submit a copy of their "inspection program identifying
> > > > the person responsible for scheduling and performing the
> > > > inspections"?
> > > >
> > > > Craig Payne
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> --0-31606606-1065165917=:10265
>
> <DIV>Sorry gang but I don't get what all the hub-bub is about. I
> notified the new FSDO of my impending arrival. I told them where the
> airplane would be hangared and my contact information. That's all
that
> is required. Nothing in the order requires reissuance of an
> airworthiness cert unless there is a change in ownership.
Maintenance
> programs are not required for recips under 800hp. </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>All we have to do once certified is communicate, not ask
> permission. You ask the FAA a question than you deserve ..... ah,
have
> to be ready for the answer. Communicate but don't expect a
> response.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Mike Di Marco</DIV>
> <DIV>China Blue<BR><BR><B><I>"A. Dennis Savarese"
> <adsavar@gte.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
> BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">--> Yak-List message posted by: "A.
> Dennis Savarese" <ADSAVAR@GTE.NET><BR><BR>Here's the sad truth of the
> situation. If the Operating Limitations have the home-base airport listed
in
> them (and most, but not all do), then the OL's must be reissued because
the
> home-base airport changes and the 300 NM Proficiency Area changes,
> regardless if anything else changes. Then because the OL's and Special
> Airworthiness Certificate are married together, when the OL's change due
to
> the aforementioned, a new Special Airworthiness Certificate must be
issued.
> To get a Special Airworthiness Certificate one must complete an 8130-6,
> Application for Airworthiness Certificate. Even though the Special
> Airworthiness Certificate has no expiration once the OL's change the
current
> Airworthiness Certificate is void and vice versa.<BR><BR>With regards to
> inspecting the airplane, we all know the FAA has
> the
> "right" to inspect the airplane if they so choose. However, if you show
the
> FSDO person your current log books when you turn in the 8130-6, pointing
out
> the most recent signed off annual condition inspection, they typically
> accept that as meeting the inspection requirements since obviously the
> airplane had to already have gone through and airwortiness certification
> inspection, which BTW may also be signed off in your log
> books.<BR><BR>Lastly and even more ridiculous is, if you move your
airplane
> from your present home base airport to another airport, say 8 miles away,
> you have to go through the same rigmarole.<BR>Dennis<BR><BR><BR>-----
> Original Message -----<BR>From: "Ron Davis" <L39PARTS@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>To:
> <YAK-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation
> paperwork<BR><BR><BR>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis"
> <L39PARTS@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>><BR>> Do whatever you think is best, but
I
> would politely tell them I want to<BR>see<BR>> the requi
> rement
> for a new airworthiness inspection in writing in the ops<BR>>
> procedures. I don't believe it exists.<BR>><BR>><BR>> >From:
> "Dave Strawn" <DASTRAWN@MINDSPRING.COM><BR>> >Reply-To:
> yak-list@matronics.com<BR>> >To: <YAK-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>>
> >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork<BR>> >Date: Thu, 18
> Sep 2003 22:01:18 -0400<BR>> ><BR>> >--> Yak-List message
> posted by: "Dave Strawn" <DASTRAWN@MINDSPRING.COM><BR>> ><BR>>
> >Craig,<BR>> ><BR>> >I just moved my plane from California
to
> Atlanta and the local FSDO here<BR>is<BR>> >requiring that I
complete
> an 8130-6 form and they must come out inspect<BR>my<BR>> >plane and
> reissue the airworthiness certificate. The original<BR>>
> >airworthiness<BR>> >cert. was done in California. I quess that's
> not acceptable in Georgia<BR>> >(joke). They will redo the operating
> limitations also, but I expected<BR>> >that.<BR>> &g
> t;I've
> worked with the USDA in the food business for 20 years and the
> FAA<BR>is<BR>> >similar, i.e., no two regional offices interpret the
> regulations the<BR>same.<BR>> >Will just suffer through it unless
> someone has a better suggestion.<BR>> ><BR>> >Misery likes
> company,<BR>> ><BR>> >Dave Strawn<BR>> >----- Original
> Message -----<BR>> >From: <CPAYNE@JOIMAIL.COM><BR>> >To:
> <YAK-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>> >Subject: Yak-List: Relocation
> paperwork<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > > --> Yak-List
> message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
> Well, just when I thought the FAA paperwork was going to go<BR>> >
> > rather smooth for my move, the local FSDO must have<BR>> > >
> appointed a newbie to learn the ropes. My A/C has been<BR>> > >
> flying 8 years over here on Chicago FSDO restrictions but<BR>> >
>
> now my CJ is in the Orlando FSDO. Has anyone been required
> <BR>>
> --0-31606606-1065165917=:10265--
>
>
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