---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/05/03: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:53 AM - Re: Relocation paperwork (A. Dennis Savarese) 2. 02:50 PM - Hose kits (Richard Basiliere) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:04 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" Correct! Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Basiliere" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" > > unless pre-moratorium, right? > > >>> ernest.martinez@oracle.com 10/3/2003 6:51:05 AM >>> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" > > You're right on the maint program, but whenever the home base is > changed > they do issue a new AW cert. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Di Marco" > To: > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco > > > > > --0-31606606-1065165917=:10265 > > > > Sorry gang but I don't get what all the hub-bub is about. I notified > the > new FSDO of my impending arrival. I told them where the airplane would > be > hangared and my contact information. That's all that is required. > Nothing > in the order requires reissuance of an airworthiness cert unless there > is a > change in ownership. Maintenance programs are not required for recips > under > 800hp. > > > > All we have to do once certified is communicate, not ask permission. > You > ask the FAA a question than you deserve ..... ah, have to be ready for > the > answer. Communicate but don't expect a response. > > > > Mike Di Marco > > China Blue > > > > "A. Dennis Savarese" wrote: > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" > > > > Here's the sad truth of the situation. If the Operating Limitations > have > the home-base airport listed in them (and most, but not all do), then > the > OL's must be reissued because the home-base airport changes and the 300 > NM > Proficiency Area changes, regardless if anything else changes. Then > because > the OL's and Special Airworthiness Certificate are married together, > when > the OL's change due to the aforementioned, a new Special Airworthiness > Certificate must be issued. To get a Special Airworthiness Certificate > one > must complete an 8130-6, Application for Airworthiness Certificate. > Even > though the Special Airworthiness Certificate has no expiration once the > OL's > change the current Airworthiness Certificate is void and vice versa. > > > > With regards to inspecting the airplane, we all know the FAA has the > "right" to inspect the airplane if they so choose. However, if you show > the > FSDO person your current log books when you turn in the 8130-6, > pointing out > the most recent signed off annual condition inspection, they typically > accept that as meeting the inspection requirements since obviously the > airplane had to already have gone through and airwortiness > certification > inspection, which BTW may also be signed off in your log books. > > > > Lastly and even more ridiculous is, if you move your airplane from > your > present home base airport to another airport, say 8 miles away, you > have to > go through the same rigmarole. > > Dennis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron Davis" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork > > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" > > > > > > Do whatever you think is best, but I would politely tell them I > want to > > see > > > the requirement for a new airworthiness inspection in writing in > the ops > > > procedures. I don't believe it exists. > > > > > > > > > >From: "Dave Strawn" > > > >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com > > > >To: > > > >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork > > > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:01:18 -0400 > > > > > > > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dave Strawn" > > > > > > > >Craig, > > > > > > > >I just moved my plane from California to Atlanta and the local > FSDO > here > > is > > > >requiring that I complete an 8130-6 form and they must come out > inspect > > my > > > >plane and reissue the airworthiness certificate. The original > > > >airworthiness > > > >cert. was done in California. I quess that's not acceptable in > Georgia > > > >(joke). They will redo the operating limitations also, but I > expected > > > >that. > > > >I've worked with the USDA in the food business for 20 years and > the FAA > > is > > > >similar, i.e., no two regional offices interpret the regulations > the > > same. > > > >Will just suffer through it unless someone has a better > suggestion. > > > > > > > >Misery likes company, > > > > > > > >Dave Strawn > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: > > > >To: > > > >Subject: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com > > > > > > > > > > Well, just when I thought the FAA paperwork was going to go > > > > > rather smooth for my move, the local FSDO must have > > > > > appointed a newbie to learn the ropes. My A/C has been > > > > > flying 8 years over here on Chicago FSDO restrictions but > > > > > now my CJ is in the Orlando FSDO. Has anyone been required > > > > > to submit a copy of their "inspection program identifying > > > > > the person responsible for scheduling and performing the > > > > > inspections"? > > > > > > > > > > Craig Payne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > --0-31606606-1065165917=:10265 > > > >
Sorry gang but I don't get what all the hub-bub is about.  > I > notified the new FSDO of my impending arrival.  I told them where > the > airplane would be hangared and my contact information.  That's all > that > is required.  Nothing in the order requires reissuance of an > airworthiness cert unless there is a change in ownership.  > Maintenance > programs are not required for recips under 800hp. 
> >
 
> >
All we have to do once certified is communicate, not ask > permission.  You ask the FAA a question than you deserve ..... ah, > have > to be ready for the answer.  Communicate but don't expect a > response.
> >
 
> >
Mike Di Marco
> >
China Blue

"A. Dennis Savarese" > <adsavar@gte.net> wrote:
> >
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. > Dennis Savarese"

Here's the sad truth of the > situation. If the Operating Limitations have the home-base airport > listed in > them (and most, but not all do), then the OL's must be reissued because > the > home-base airport changes and the 300 NM Proficiency Area changes, > regardless if anything else changes. Then because the OL's and Special > Airworthiness Certificate are married together, when the OL's change > due to > the aforementioned, a new Special Airworthiness Certificate must be > issued. > To get a Special Airworthiness Certificate one must complete an > 8130-6, > Application for Airworthiness Certificate. Even though the Special > Airworthiness Certificate has no expiration once the OL's change the > current > Airworthiness Certificate is void and vice versa.

With regards > to > inspecting the airplane, we all know the FAA has > > the > > "right" to inspect the airplane if they so choose. However, if you > show > the FSDO person your current log books when you turn in the 8130-6, > pointing > out the most recent signed off annual condition inspection, they > typically > accept that as meeting the inspection requirements since obviously the > airplane had to already have gone through and airwortiness > certification > inspection, which BTW may also be signed off in your log > books.

Lastly and even more ridiculous is, if you move your > airplane > from your present home base airport to another airport, say 8 miles > away, > you have to go through the same rigmarole.
Dennis


----- > Original Message -----
From: "Ron Davis" >
To: >
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation > paperwork


> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron > Davis" >
>
> Do whatever you think is best, > but I > would politely tell them I want to
see
> the requi > > rement > > for a new airworthiness inspection in writing in the ops
> > procedures. I don't believe it exists.
>
>
> > >From: > "Dave Strawn"
> >Reply-To: > yak-list@matronics.com
> >To: >
> > >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Relocation paperwork
> >Date: Thu, > 18 > Sep 2003 22:01:18 -0400
> >
> >--> Yak-List > message > posted by: "Dave Strawn"
> > >
> > >Craig,
> >
> >I just moved my plane from > California to > Atlanta and the local FSDO here
is
> >requiring that I > complete > an 8130-6 form and they must come out inspect
my
> >plane > and > reissue the airworthiness certificate. The original
> > >airworthiness
> >cert. was done in California. I quess > that's > not acceptable in Georgia
> >(joke). They will redo the > operating > limitations also, but I expected
> >that.
> &g > > t;I've > > worked with the USDA in the food business for 20 years and the > FAA
is
> >similar, i.e., no two regional offices interpret > the > regulations the
same.
> >Will just suffer through it > unless > someone has a better suggestion.
> >
> >Misery likes > company,
> >
> >Dave Strawn
> >----- > Original > Message -----
> >From:
> >To: >
> >Subject: Yak-List: Relocation > paperwork
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List > message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com
> > >
> > > > > Well, just when I thought the FAA paperwork was going to go
> > > > > rather smooth for my move, the local FSDO must have
> > > > > appointed a newbie to learn the ropes. My A/C has been
> > > > > flying 8 years over here on Chicago FSDO restrictions but
> > > > > now my CJ is in the Orlando FSDO. Has anyone been required > >
> > > --0-31606606-1065165917=:10265-- > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:50:38 PM PST US From: "Richard Basiliere" Subject: Yak-List: Hose kits --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" Is it Carl Hayes that has the hose kits for M14P? Anyone else if he doesn't? I need to replace mine on SU-29. 10 years is a good service life, I guess. BTW. I did the motor mounts and now it's my secret how to do them. Just kidding.... Respectfully, Ricky B PS, prices for hoses, any bright and shiny ones?