Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:35 AM - YAK-52M (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
2. 06:34 AM - China Spec program (cpayne@joimail.com)
3. 08:59 AM - DIFFERENTIAL CYLINDER PRESSURE TESTER (Deon Esterhuizen)
4. 09:36 AM - Re: DIFFERENTIAL CYLINDER PRESSURE TESTER (Aubrey Price)
5. 09:40 AM - RV-8 Accident in N TX (RV_8 Pilot)
6. 09:42 AM - RV-8 accident (RV_8 Pilot)
7. 09:48 AM - Re: DIFFERENTIAL CYLINDER PRESSURE TESTER (cjpilot710@aol.com)
8. 10:31 AM - Re: DIFFERENTIAL CYLINDER PRESSURE TESTER (Deon Esterhuizen)
9. 11:20 AM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Roy O. Wright)
10. 12:41 PM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (A. Dennis Savarese)
11. 01:25 PM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Brian Lloyd)
12. 08:06 PM - 50 Flags to Kitty Hawk (Gus Fraser)
13. 08:23 PM - maintenance school (N188rv@aol.com)
14. 09:33 PM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Roger Bieberdorf)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark@yakuk.com>
This is the press release that Richard refers to of the YAK-52M, note
the rate of climb .....a little optamistic I suggest. The turbin version
should be good. I know they did a turbin YAK 18T in the Ukraine,
trouible is the costs along with non certification.
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Source: 11.07.03, Nezavisimoye Obozrenie
Up to 80 Yak-52 to Be Upgraded over Next 2 Years
Over the next 2 years, it is planned to upgrade 50 - 80 Yak-52 airplanes
into the Yak-52M variant. A preliminary agreement on this account was
reached with the Russian air force, the president of the Yakovlev OKB,
Oleg Demchenko, reported to Interfax-AVN on Friday.
"We will demonstrate the upgraded Yak-52M airplane on the static display
at the MAKS-2003 International Aviation and Space Salon which will take
place in August in the Moscow suburb of Zhukovskiy. The first flight of
this aircraft will be this year," O. Demchenko said.
According to him, the Ivanovsk Aircraft Repair Plant, at which
reequipping of the first experimental Yak-52 into the Yak-52M variant is
taking place, will be fully provided with the necessary design
documentation and equipment for execution of this work.
O. Demchenko notes that the upgrade of the Yak-52 fleet of airplanes
will allow satisfying the needs of the flight schools for a modern
training airplane until the time when series production of Su-49
airplane begins. He reported that it is required to perform the upgrade
in minimum time with minimum expenses - the reequipping of one Yak-52
will cost the customer all of 35,000 - 40,000 dollars.
In accordance with the air force technical task will be installed on the
Yak-52 avionics which allows training cadets for flights in formation
and cross-country, to execute flights in night conditions and in poor
weather conditions. In all it is planned to replace nearly 30 percent of
the avionics.
As a result of the upgrade, the airplane will have improved flying
performance and an increased fuel reserve, owing to which, the ferry
range will be up to 900 kilometers. It is planned to equip the aircraft
with the SKS-94MYa ejection seat with a new canopy and opening system.
The Yak-52M airframe life will be up to 3,000 hours, and the service
life not less than 30 years.
Takeoff weight of the Yak-52M is 1,340 kilograms. Maximum speed: flying
- 360 kilometers per hour, horizontal flight - 290 kilometers per hour;
and maximum climb rate - 14 meters per second.
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Best regards
Mark Jefferies
Managing director YAK UK Ltd
+ Little Gransden Airfield, Sandy, Beds SG19 3BP, England.
* mark@yakuk.com
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<DIV>This is the press release that Richard refers to of the YAK-52M,
note the
rate of climb .....a little optamistic I suggest. The turbin version
should be
good. I know they did a turbin YAK 18T in the Ukraine, trouible is the
costs
along with non certification.</DIV>
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<DIV>Source: 11.07.03, Nezavisimoye Obozrenie <BR><BR>Up to 80 Yak-52 to
Be
Upgraded over Next 2 Years<BR><BR>Over the next 2 years, it is planned
to
upgrade 50 - 80 Yak-52 airplanes<BR>into the Yak-52M variant. A
preliminary
agreement on this account was<BR>reached with the Russian air force, the
president of the Yakovlev OKB,<BR>Oleg Demchenko, reported to
Interfax-AVN on
Friday. <BR><BR>"We will demonstrate the upgraded Yak-52M airplane
on the
static display<BR>at the MAKS-2003 International Aviation and Space
Salon which
will take<BR>place in August in the Moscow suburb of Zhukovskiy. The
first
flight of<BR>this aircraft will be this year," O. Demchenko said.
<BR><BR>According to him, the Ivanovsk Aircraft Repair Plant, at
which<BR>reequipping of the first experimental Yak-52 into the Yak-52M
variant
is<BR>taking place, will be fully provided with the necessary
design<BR>documentation and equipment for execution of this work.
<BR><BR>O. Demchenko notes that the upgrade of the Yak-52 fleet of
airplanes<BR>will allow satisfying the needs of the flight schools for a
modern<BR>training airplane until the time when series production of
Su-49<BR>airplane begins. He reported that it is required to perform the
upgrade<BR>in minimum time with minimum expenses - the reequipping of
one
Yak-52<BR>will cost the customer all of 35,000 - 40,000 dollars.
<BR><BR>In accordance with the air force technical task will be
installed on
the<BR>Yak-52 avionics which allows training cadets for flights in
formation<BR>and cross-country, to execute flights in night conditions
and in
poor<BR>weather conditions. In all it is planned to replace nearly 30
percent
of<BR>the avionics. <BR><BR>As a result of the upgrade, the
airplane will
have improved flying<BR>performance and an increased fuel reserve, owing
to
which, the ferry<BR>range will be up to 900 kilometers. It is planned to
equip
the aircraft<BR>with the SKS-94MYa ejection seat with a new canopy and
opening
system.<BR>The Yak-52M airframe life will be up to 3,000 hours, and the
service<BR>life not less than 30 years. <BR><BR>Takeoff weight of
the
Yak-52M is 1,340 kilograms. Maximum speed: flying<BR>- 360 kilometers
per hour,
horizontal flight - 290 kilometers per hour;<BR>and maximum climb rate -
14
meters per second. <BR></DIV></DIV>
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| Subject: | China Spec program |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com
See new coverage of a Chinese manned orbital flight on the
15th:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031008/ap_on_sc/china_space_031008050549
Rumor has it that a surplus Nanchang CJ-6 will be attached
to the orbiter so the "Taikonaut" can spin down from low
orbit to an airstart in the lower atomosphere....
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | DIFFERENTIAL CYLINDER PRESSURE TESTER |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Deon Esterhuizen" <desterhuizen@hyphos360.com>
I need to purchase a pressure tester, does anybody know what size
adapter fits the M14P - 14 or 18mm?
Thanks
Deon Esterhuizen
Yak52
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| Subject: | DIFFERENTIAL CYLINDER PRESSURE TESTER |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Deon Esterhuizen [mailto:desterhuizen@hyphos360.com]
Subject: Yak-List: DIFFERENTIAL CYLINDER PRESSURE TESTER
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Deon Esterhuizen"
<desterhuizen@hyphos360.com>
I need to purchase a pressure tester, does anybody know what size
adapter fits the M14P - 14 or 18mm?
Thanks
Deon Esterhuizen
Yak52
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| Subject: | RV-8 Accident in N TX |
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Anyone have info on this?
http://www1.faa.gov/avr/aai/M_1007_N.txt
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
sorry - wrong list.
Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month
(depending on the local service providers in your area).
https://broadband.msn.com
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| Subject: | Re: DIFFERENTIAL CYLINDER PRESSURE TESTER |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
14mm will do it.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | DIFFERENTIAL CYLINDER PRESSURE TESTER |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Deon Esterhuizen" <desterhuizen@hyphos360.com>
Thanks to all.
Deon
-----Original Message-----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com [mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: DIFFERENTIAL CYLINDER PRESSURE TESTER
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
14mm will do it.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like
grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roy O. Wright" <roy@wright.org>
Hasn't there been a lot of press lately about a kinder, gentler,
more customer orientated FFA? Now they are calling the deceased
names in NTSB reports!
ACFT WAS FLYING BETWEEN LAYERS AND DECIDED TO CLIMB TO ON TOP. ACFT DROPPED
OFF WING FORMATION. UNABLE TO CONTACT ACFT AND WRECKAGE WAS FOUND 20 M NW OF
TYLER, TX. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED AND THE
TWO SOB'S SUFFERED FATAL INJURIES. TYLER, TX
Roy
At 11:40 AM 10/8/2003, RV_8 Pilot wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>
>Anyone have info on this?
>
>http://www1.faa.gov/avr/aai/M_1007_N.txt
>
>Bryan Jones -8
>Pearland, Texas
>
>
',,'',,'',,',,'
Roy Wright 512.378.1234 mailto:royw@cisco.com
Cisco Systems import com.cisco.std-disclaimer
"Experience is the thing you get the moment after you needed to have it."
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<font size=3>Hasn't there been a lot of press lately about a kinder,
gentler,<br>
more customer orientated FFA? Now they are calling the
deceased<br>
names in NTSB reports!<br><br>
ACFT WAS FLYING BETWEEN LAYERS AND DECIDED TO CLIMB TO ON TOP. ACFT
DROPPED <br>
OFF WING FORMATION. UNABLE TO CONTACT ACFT AND WRECKAGE WAS FOUND 20 M NW
OF <br>
TYLER, TX. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED AND
THE <br>
TWO SOB'S SUFFERED FATAL INJURIES. TYLER, TX <br><br>
Roy<br><br>
At 11:40 AM 10/8/2003, RV_8 Pilot wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>--> Yak-List message posted by:
"RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com><br><br>
Anyone have info on this?<br><br>
<a href="http://www1.faa.gov/avr/aai/M_1007_N.txt" eudora="autourl">http://www1.faa.gov/avr/aai/M_1007_N.txt</a><br><br>
Bryan Jones -8<br>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Although they are calling the deceased SOB's, rather than sons of b------ it
most like is Souls On Board.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roy O. Wright" <roy@wright.org>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RV-8 Accident in N TX
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roy O. Wright" <roy@wright.org>
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> Hasn't there been a lot of press lately about a kinder, gentler,
> more customer orientated FFA? Now they are calling the deceased
> names in NTSB reports!
>
> ACFT WAS FLYING BETWEEN LAYERS AND DECIDED TO CLIMB TO ON TOP. ACFT
DROPPED
> OFF WING FORMATION. UNABLE TO CONTACT ACFT AND WRECKAGE WAS FOUND 20 M NW
OF
> TYLER, TX. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED AND THE
> TWO SOB'S SUFFERED FATAL INJURIES. TYLER, TX
>
> Roy
>
> At 11:40 AM 10/8/2003, RV_8 Pilot wrote:
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Anyone have info on this?
> >
> >http://www1.faa.gov/avr/aai/M_1007_N.txt
> >
> >Bryan Jones -8
> >Pearland, Texas
> >
> >
>
> ',,'',,'',,',,'
> Roy Wright 512.378.1234 mailto:royw@cisco.com
> Cisco Systems import com.cisco.std-disclaimer
> "Experience is the thing you get the moment after you needed to have it."
>
>
> <html>
> <font size=3>Hasn't there been a lot of press lately about a kinder,
> gentler,<br>
> more customer orientated FFA? Now they are calling the
> deceased<br>
> names in NTSB reports!<br><br>
> ACFT WAS FLYING BETWEEN LAYERS AND DECIDED TO CLIMB TO ON TOP. ACFT
> DROPPED <br>
> OFF WING FORMATION. UNABLE TO CONTACT ACFT AND WRECKAGE WAS FOUND 20 M NW
> OF <br>
> TYLER, TX. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED AND
> THE <br>
> TWO SOB'S SUFFERED FATAL INJURIES. TYLER, TX <br><br>
> Roy<br><br>
> At 11:40 AM 10/8/2003, RV_8 Pilot wrote:<br>
> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>--> Yak-List message posted by:
> "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com><br><br>
> Anyone have info on this?<br><br>
> <a href="http://www1.faa.gov/avr/aai/M_1007_N.txt"
eudora="autourl">http://www1.faa.gov/avr/aai/M_1007_N.txt</a><br><br>
> Bryan Jones -8<br>
> Pearland, Texas<br><br>
> <br>
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> <font size=2>',,'',,'',,',,'<br>
> </font><font size=3>Roy
>
Wright &nbs
p;
>
512.378.1234 &nbs
p;
> <a href="mailto:royw@cisco.com"
eudora="autourl">mailto:royw@cisco.com</a><br>
> Cisco
>
Systems &nb
sp;
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Roy O. Wright wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roy O. Wright" <roy@wright.org>
>
>
> Hasn't there been a lot of press lately about a kinder, gentler,
> more customer orientated FFA? Now they are calling the deceased
> names in NTSB reports!
>
> ACFT WAS FLYING BETWEEN LAYERS AND DECIDED TO CLIMB TO ON TOP. ACFT DROPPED
> OFF WING FORMATION. UNABLE TO CONTACT ACFT AND WRECKAGE WAS FOUND 20 M NW OF
> TYLER, TX. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED AND THE
> TWO SOB'S SUFFERED FATAL INJURIES. TYLER, TX
That is souls-on-board. Why, what did you think it meant? :^)
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
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| Subject: | 50 Flags to Kitty Hawk |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
A Yak goes to Kitty Hawk. Did a write up for EAA which I will forward to the
group if there is interest.
http://www.countdowntokittyhawk.com/news/030924_NJ.html
I was joined on the trip by Reade Genzlinger with his Yak. Lots of interest
from the visitors to the museum.
Gus Fraser
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| Subject: | maintenance school |
--> Yak-List message posted by: N188rv@aol.com
Last week I had the pleasure of having A. Dennis Savarese as a guest in my
home and hanger to give me his two day maintenance school. I have recently
purchased a yak 52 that had not flown for several years. I have no Yak experience
and no round engine experience, however I have owned aircraft since 1972,
been a A&P since 1976, and have built a couple of airplanes. To tackle this
project without help would have been similar to fishing a new lake without a guide.
You may catch some fish but it will take a lot longer. Dennis is an
excellent guide. His course start with a 2 hour power point presentation and a
notebook to follow along with the presentation. Then we go to the hanger and
spend 6-8 hours on the airplane. The second day is another 6-8 hours on the
airplane. If you are new in the Yak community without a lot of experience, I
highly recommend this course.
Stan Mehrhoff
N188rv@aol.com
<HTML><FONT FACEarial,helvetica><FONT SIZE2>Last week I had the pleas=
ure of having A. Dennis Savarese as a guest in my home and hanger to give me=
his two day maintenance school. I have recently purchased a yak 52 th=
at had not flown for several years. I have no Yak experience and no ro=
und engine experience, however I have owned aircraft since 1972, been a A&am=
p;P since 1976, and have built a couple of airplanes. To tackle this project=
without help would have been similar to fishing a new lake without a guide.=
You may catch some fish but it will take a lot longer. &n=
bsp;Dennis is an excellent guide. His course start with a 2 hour power=
point presentation and a notebook to follow along with the presentation. Th=
en we go to the hanger and spend 6-8 hours on the airplane. The=20=
second day is another 6-8 hours on the airplane. If you are new in the=
Yak community without a lot of experience, I highly recommend this course.=20=
<BR>Stan Mehrhoff
<BR>N188rv@aol.com</FONT></HTML>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Bieberdorf <rogerbyak@yahoo.com>
--0-591527270-1065673992=:19801
Be certain that everyone understands that there is no disrespect for anyone!; but
consider the following: We remove a stone with the 10 commandments from
a Courthouse Alcove; We can not open a school session with a prayer; some people
are attacking our right to require a pledge to our flag; but if I declare
an emergency, I am asked the "number of souls on board". (No matter if it
is a RV or a CJ)--fully American or fully Chineese.
Would it be more politically correct to inquire.........how many bodies with or
without the presence of a everlasting future may occupy the aircraft?
Should the FAA be brought up to the current day standards? Pilots unite! Get the
ACLU on this case post haste!.
Well, anyway; our neighbors to the West got rid of Gray Davis. That shows progress
rb
Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd
Roy O. Wright wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roy O. Wright"
>
>
> Hasn't there been a lot of press lately about a kinder, gentler,
> more customer orientated FFA? Now they are calling the deceased
> names in NTSB reports!
>
> ACFT WAS FLYING BETWEEN LAYERS AND DECIDED TO CLIMB TO ON TOP. ACFT DROPPED
> OFF WING FORMATION. UNABLE TO CONTACT ACFT AND WRECKAGE WAS FOUND 20 M NW OF
> TYLER, TX. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED AND THE
> TWO SOB'S SUFFERED FATAL INJURIES. TYLER, TX
That is souls-on-board. Why, what did you think it meant? :^)
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
---------------------------------
--0-591527270-1065673992=:19801
<DIV>Be certain that everyone understands that there is no disrespect for anyone!;
but consider the following: We remove a stone
with the 10 commandments from a Courthouse Alcove; We can not open a school
session with a prayer; some people are attacking our right to require a
pledge to our flag; but if I declare an emergency, I am asked the "number
of souls on board". (No matter if it is a RV or a CJ)--fully American
or fully Chineese.</DIV>
<DIV>Would it be more politically correct to inquire.........how many bodies with
or without the presence of a everlasting future may occupy the aircraft?</DIV>
<DIV>Should the FAA be brought up to the current day standards? Pilots unite!
Get the ACLU on this case post haste!.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Well, anyway; our neighbors to the West got rid of Gray Davis. That shows
progress rb</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
#1010ff 2px solid">--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <BRIAN@LLOYD.COM><BR><BR>Roy
O. Wright wrote:<BR><BR>> --> Yak-List message posted
by: "Roy O. Wright" <ROY@WRIGHT.ORG><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Hasn't there
been a lot of press lately about a kinder, gentler,<BR>> more customer orientated
FFA? Now they are calling the deceased<BR>> names in NTSB reports!<BR>>
<BR>> ACFT WAS FLYING BETWEEN LAYERS AND DECIDED TO CLIMB TO ON TOP.
ACFT DROPPED <BR>> OFF WING FORMATION. UNABLE TO CONTACT ACFT AND WRECKAGE
WAS FOUND 20 M NW OF <BR>> TYLER, TX. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. THE
ACFT WAS DESTROYED AND THE <BR>> TWO SOB'S SUFFERED FATAL INJURIES. TYLER,
TX <BR><BR>That is souls-on-board. Why, what did you think it meant? :^)<BR><BR>--
<BR><BR>Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201<BR>brian@lloyd.com St.
Thomas, VI 00802<BR>+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.
838.9669
--0-591527270-1065673992=:19801--
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