---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/08/03: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:35 AM - YAK-52M (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd) 2. 06:34 AM - China Spec program (cpayne@joimail.com) 3. 08:59 AM - DIFFERENTIAL CYLINDER PRESSURE TESTER (Deon Esterhuizen) 4. 09:36 AM - Re: DIFFERENTIAL CYLINDER PRESSURE TESTER (Aubrey Price) 5. 09:40 AM - RV-8 Accident in N TX (RV_8 Pilot) 6. 09:42 AM - RV-8 accident (RV_8 Pilot) 7. 09:48 AM - Re: DIFFERENTIAL CYLINDER PRESSURE TESTER (cjpilot710@aol.com) 8. 10:31 AM - Re: DIFFERENTIAL CYLINDER PRESSURE TESTER (Deon Esterhuizen) 9. 11:20 AM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Roy O. Wright) 10. 12:41 PM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (A. Dennis Savarese) 11. 01:25 PM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Brian Lloyd) 12. 08:06 PM - 50 Flags to Kitty Hawk (Gus Fraser) 13. 08:23 PM - maintenance school (N188rv@aol.com) 14. 09:33 PM - Re: RV-8 Accident in N TX (Roger Bieberdorf) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:07 AM PST US From: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" Subject: Yak-List: YAK-52M type="multipart/alternative" --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" This is the press release that Richard refers to of the YAK-52M, note the rate of climb .....a little optamistic I suggest. The turbin version should be good. I know they did a turbin YAK 18T in the Ukraine, trouible is the costs along with non certification. ------- Source: 11.07.03, Nezavisimoye Obozrenie Up to 80 Yak-52 to Be Upgraded over Next 2 Years Over the next 2 years, it is planned to upgrade 50 - 80 Yak-52 airplanes into the Yak-52M variant. A preliminary agreement on this account was reached with the Russian air force, the president of the Yakovlev OKB, Oleg Demchenko, reported to Interfax-AVN on Friday. "We will demonstrate the upgraded Yak-52M airplane on the static display at the MAKS-2003 International Aviation and Space Salon which will take place in August in the Moscow suburb of Zhukovskiy. The first flight of this aircraft will be this year," O. Demchenko said. According to him, the Ivanovsk Aircraft Repair Plant, at which reequipping of the first experimental Yak-52 into the Yak-52M variant is taking place, will be fully provided with the necessary design documentation and equipment for execution of this work. O. Demchenko notes that the upgrade of the Yak-52 fleet of airplanes will allow satisfying the needs of the flight schools for a modern training airplane until the time when series production of Su-49 airplane begins. He reported that it is required to perform the upgrade in minimum time with minimum expenses - the reequipping of one Yak-52 will cost the customer all of 35,000 - 40,000 dollars. In accordance with the air force technical task will be installed on the Yak-52 avionics which allows training cadets for flights in formation and cross-country, to execute flights in night conditions and in poor weather conditions. In all it is planned to replace nearly 30 percent of the avionics. As a result of the upgrade, the airplane will have improved flying performance and an increased fuel reserve, owing to which, the ferry range will be up to 900 kilometers. It is planned to equip the aircraft with the SKS-94MYa ejection seat with a new canopy and opening system. The Yak-52M airframe life will be up to 3,000 hours, and the service life not less than 30 years. Takeoff weight of the Yak-52M is 1,340 kilograms. Maximum speed: flying - 360 kilometers per hour, horizontal flight - 290 kilometers per hour; and maximum climb rate - 14 meters per second. ------- Best regards Mark Jefferies Managing director YAK UK Ltd + Little Gransden Airfield, Sandy, Beds SG19 3BP, England. * mark@yakuk.com : www.yakuk.com ( +44 (0)1767 651156 Office ( +44 (0)1767 651157 Fax ( +44 (0)7785 538 317 Mobile href"file://C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Stationery\">
This is the press release that Richard refers to of the YAK-52M, note the rate of climb .....a little optamistic I suggest. The turbin version should be good. I know they did a turbin YAK 18T in the Ukraine, trouible is the costs along with non certification.
 
Source: 11.07.03, Nezavisimoye Obozrenie

Up to 80 Yak-52 to Be Upgraded over Next 2 Years

Over the next 2 years, it is planned to upgrade 50 - 80 Yak-52 airplanes
into the Yak-52M variant. A preliminary agreement on this account was
reached with the Russian air force, the president of the Yakovlev OKB,
Oleg Demchenko, reported to Interfax-AVN on Friday. 

"We will demonstrate the upgraded Yak-52M airplane on the static display
at the MAKS-2003 International Aviation and Space Salon which will take
place in August in the Moscow suburb of Zhukovskiy. The first flight of
this aircraft will be this year," O. Demchenko said. 

According to him, the Ivanovsk Aircraft Repair Plant, at which
reequipping of the first experimental Yak-52 into the Yak-52M variant is
taking place, will be fully provided with the necessary design
documentation and equipment for execution of this work. 

O. Demchenko notes that the upgrade of the Yak-52 fleet of airplanes
will allow satisfying the needs of the flight schools for a modern
training airplane until the time when series production of Su-49
airplane begins. He reported that it is required to perform the upgrade
in minimum time with minimum expenses - the reequipping of one Yak-52
will cost the customer all of 35,000 - 40,000 dollars. 

In accordance with the air force technical task will be installed on the
Yak-52 avionics which allows training cadets for flights in formation
and cross-country, to execute flights in night conditions and in poor
weather conditions. In all it is planned to replace nearly 30 percent of
the avionics. 

As a result of the upgrade, the airplane will have improved flying
performance and an increased fuel reserve, owing to which, the ferry
range will be up to 900 kilometers. It is planned to equip the aircraft
with the SKS-94MYa ejection seat with a new canopy and opening system.
The Yak-52M airframe life will be up to 3,000 hours, and the service
life not less than 30 years. 

Takeoff weight of the Yak-52M is 1,340 kilograms. Maximum speed: flying
- 360 kilometers per hour, horizontal flight - 290 kilometers per hour;
and maximum climb rate - 14 meters per second. 
Best regards
Mark Jefferies
Managing director YAK UK Ltd
+ Little Gransden Airfield, Sandy, Beds SG19 3BP, England.
* mark@yakuk.com
: www.yakuk.com
( +44 (0)1767 651156 Office
( +44 (0)1767 651157 Fax
( +44 (0)7785 538 317 Mobile
 
 
 
 
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Jim Goolsby

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
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"The reason older men are like fine wine.  When young, they are like gr= apes until some woman stomps all over them."
            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;            =            Unknown olde= r man.
 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:26 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: DIFFERENTIAL CYLINDER PRESSURE TESTER From: "Deon Esterhuizen" --> Yak-List message posted by: "Deon Esterhuizen" Thanks to all. Deon -----Original Message----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com [mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com] Subject: Re: Yak-List: DIFFERENTIAL CYLINDER PRESSURE TESTER --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com 14mm will do it. Jim Goolsby "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" Benjamin Franklin 1759 "With my shield, or on it" Trojan Warriors BC "The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes until some woman stomps all over them." Unknown older man. 14mm will do it.

Jim Goolsby

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
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 == == http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report == == ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:20:57 AM PST US From: "Roy O. Wright" Subject: Re: Yak-List: RV-8 Accident in N TX --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roy O. Wright" Hasn't there been a lot of press lately about a kinder, gentler, more customer orientated FFA? Now they are calling the deceased names in NTSB reports! ACFT WAS FLYING BETWEEN LAYERS AND DECIDED TO CLIMB TO ON TOP. ACFT DROPPED OFF WING FORMATION. UNABLE TO CONTACT ACFT AND WRECKAGE WAS FOUND 20 M NW OF TYLER, TX. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED AND THE TWO SOB'S SUFFERED FATAL INJURIES. TYLER, TX Roy At 11:40 AM 10/8/2003, RV_8 Pilot wrote: >--> Yak-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" > >Anyone have info on this? > >http://www1.faa.gov/avr/aai/M_1007_N.txt > >Bryan Jones -8 >Pearland, Texas > > ',,'',,'',,',,' Roy Wright 512.378.1234 mailto:royw@cisco.com Cisco Systems import com.cisco.std-disclaimer "Experience is the thing you get the moment after you needed to have it." Hasn't there been a lot of press lately about a kinder, gentler,
more customer orientated FFA?  Now they are calling the deceased
names in NTSB reports!

ACFT WAS FLYING BETWEEN LAYERS AND DECIDED TO CLIMB TO ON TOP. ACFT DROPPED
OFF WING FORMATION. UNABLE TO CONTACT ACFT AND WRECKAGE WAS FOUND 20 M NW OF
TYLER, TX. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED AND THE
TWO SOB'S SUFFERED FATAL INJURIES. TYLER, TX

Roy

At 11:40 AM 10/8/2003, RV_8 Pilot wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>

Anyone have info on this?

http://www1.faa.gov/avr/aai/M_1007_N.txt

Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas


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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:14 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: RV-8 Accident in N TX --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" Although they are calling the deceased SOB's, rather than sons of b------ it most like is Souls On Board. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy O. Wright" Subject: Re: Yak-List: RV-8 Accident in N TX > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roy O. Wright" > > > Hasn't there been a lot of press lately about a kinder, gentler, > more customer orientated FFA? Now they are calling the deceased > names in NTSB reports! > > ACFT WAS FLYING BETWEEN LAYERS AND DECIDED TO CLIMB TO ON TOP. ACFT DROPPED > OFF WING FORMATION. UNABLE TO CONTACT ACFT AND WRECKAGE WAS FOUND 20 M NW OF > TYLER, TX. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED AND THE > TWO SOB'S SUFFERED FATAL INJURIES. TYLER, TX > > Roy > > At 11:40 AM 10/8/2003, RV_8 Pilot wrote: > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" > > > >Anyone have info on this? > > > >http://www1.faa.gov/avr/aai/M_1007_N.txt > > > >Bryan Jones -8 > >Pearland, Texas > > > > > > ',,'',,'',,',,' > Roy Wright 512.378.1234 mailto:royw@cisco.com > Cisco Systems import com.cisco.std-disclaimer > "Experience is the thing you get the moment after you needed to have it." > > > > Hasn't there been a lot of press lately about a kinder, > gentler,
> more customer orientated FFA?  Now they are calling the > deceased
> names in NTSB reports!

> ACFT WAS FLYING BETWEEN LAYERS AND DECIDED TO CLIMB TO ON TOP. ACFT > DROPPED
> OFF WING FORMATION. UNABLE TO CONTACT ACFT AND WRECKAGE WAS FOUND 20 M NW > OF
> TYLER, TX. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED AND > THE
> TWO SOB'S SUFFERED FATAL INJURIES. TYLER, TX

> Roy

> At 11:40 AM 10/8/2003, RV_8 Pilot wrote:
>
--> Yak-List message posted by: > "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>

> Anyone have info on this?

> http://www1.faa.gov/avr/aai/M_1007_N.txt

> Bryan Jones -8
> Pearland, Texas

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> > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:18 PM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: RV-8 Accident in N TX --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd Roy O. Wright wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roy O. Wright" > > > Hasn't there been a lot of press lately about a kinder, gentler, > more customer orientated FFA? Now they are calling the deceased > names in NTSB reports! > > ACFT WAS FLYING BETWEEN LAYERS AND DECIDED TO CLIMB TO ON TOP. ACFT DROPPED > OFF WING FORMATION. UNABLE TO CONTACT ACFT AND WRECKAGE WAS FOUND 20 M NW OF > TYLER, TX. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED AND THE > TWO SOB'S SUFFERED FATAL INJURIES. TYLER, TX That is souls-on-board. Why, what did you think it meant? :^) -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax GMT-4 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:46 PM PST US From: "Gus Fraser" Subject: Yak-List: 50 Flags to Kitty Hawk --> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" A Yak goes to Kitty Hawk. Did a write up for EAA which I will forward to the group if there is interest. http://www.countdowntokittyhawk.com/news/030924_NJ.html I was joined on the trip by Reade Genzlinger with his Yak. Lots of interest from the visitors to the museum. Gus Fraser ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:42 PM PST US From: N188rv@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: maintenance school --> Yak-List message posted by: N188rv@aol.com Last week I had the pleasure of having A. Dennis Savarese as a guest in my home and hanger to give me his two day maintenance school. I have recently purchased a yak 52 that had not flown for several years. I have no Yak experience and no round engine experience, however I have owned aircraft since 1972, been a A&P since 1976, and have built a couple of airplanes. To tackle this project without help would have been similar to fishing a new lake without a guide. You may catch some fish but it will take a lot longer. Dennis is an excellent guide. His course start with a 2 hour power point presentation and a notebook to follow along with the presentation. Then we go to the hanger and spend 6-8 hours on the airplane. The second day is another 6-8 hours on the airplane. If you are new in the Yak community without a lot of experience, I highly recommend this course. Stan Mehrhoff N188rv@aol.com Last week I had the pleas= ure of having A. Dennis Savarese as a guest in my home and hanger to give me= his two day maintenance school.  I have recently purchased a yak 52 th= at had not flown for several years.  I have no Yak experience and no ro= und engine experience, however I have owned aircraft since 1972, been a A&am= p;P since 1976, and have built a couple of airplanes. To tackle this project= without help would have been similar to fishing a new lake without a guide.=  You may catch some fish but it will take a lot longer.   &n= bsp;Dennis is an excellent guide.  His course start with a 2 hour power= point presentation and a notebook to follow along with the presentation. Th= en we go to the hanger and  spend 6-8 hours on the airplane.  The=20= second day is another 6-8 hours on the airplane.  If you are new in the= Yak community without a lot of experience, I highly recommend this course.=20=  
Stan Mehrhoff
N188rv@aol.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:31 PM PST US From: Roger Bieberdorf Subject: Re: Yak-List: RV-8 Accident in N TX --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Bieberdorf --0-591527270-1065673992=:19801 Be certain that everyone understands that there is no disrespect for anyone!; but consider the following: We remove a stone with the 10 commandments from a Courthouse Alcove; We can not open a school session with a prayer; some people are attacking our right to require a pledge to our flag; but if I declare an emergency, I am asked the "number of souls on board". (No matter if it is a RV or a CJ)--fully American or fully Chineese. Would it be more politically correct to inquire.........how many bodies with or without the presence of a everlasting future may occupy the aircraft? Should the FAA be brought up to the current day standards? Pilots unite! Get the ACLU on this case post haste!. Well, anyway; our neighbors to the West got rid of Gray Davis. That shows progress rb Brian Lloyd wrote: --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd Roy O. Wright wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roy O. Wright" > > > Hasn't there been a lot of press lately about a kinder, gentler, > more customer orientated FFA? Now they are calling the deceased > names in NTSB reports! > > ACFT WAS FLYING BETWEEN LAYERS AND DECIDED TO CLIMB TO ON TOP. ACFT DROPPED > OFF WING FORMATION. UNABLE TO CONTACT ACFT AND WRECKAGE WAS FOUND 20 M NW OF > TYLER, TX. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED AND THE > TWO SOB'S SUFFERED FATAL INJURIES. TYLER, TX That is souls-on-board. Why, what did you think it meant? :^) -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax GMT-4 --------------------------------- --0-591527270-1065673992=:19801
Be certain that everyone understands that there is no disrespect for anyone!; but consider the following:      We remove a stone with the 10 commandments from a Courthouse Alcove;  We can not open a school session with a prayer; some people are attacking our right to require a pledge to our flag;  but if I declare an emergency, I am asked the "number of souls on board".  (No matter if it is a RV or a CJ)--fully American or fully Chineese.
Would it be more politically correct to inquire.........how many bodies with or without the presence of a everlasting future may occupy the aircraft?
Should the FAA be brought up to the current day standards?  Pilots unite! Get the ACLU on this case post haste!.
 
Well, anyway; our neighbors to the West got rid of Gray Davis. That shows progress  rb


Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd

Roy O. Wright wrote:

> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roy O. Wright"
>
>
> Hasn't there been a lot of press lately about a kinder, gentler,
> more customer orientated FFA? Now they are calling the deceased
> names in NTSB reports!
>
> ACFT WAS FLYING BETWEEN LAYERS AND DECIDED TO CLIMB TO ON TOP. ACFT DROPPED
> OFF WING FORMATION. UNABLE TO CONTACT ACFT AND WRECKAGE WAS FOUND 20 M NW OF
> TYLER, TX. OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED AND THE
> TWO SOB'S SUFFERED FATAL INJURIES. TYLER, TX

That is souls-on-board. Why, what did you think it meant? :^)

--

Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360. 838.9669 --0-591527270-1065673992=:19801--