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1. 09:49 AM - Re: China Spec program (cjpilot710@aol.com)
2. 11:24 AM - Re: China Spec program (Brian Lloyd)
3. 01:03 PM - Thanks (Drew Blahnick)
4. 01:57 PM - Re: Color Schemes (N4829T@aol.com)
5. 04:31 PM - Yak crash in England (Gus Fraser)
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| Subject: | Re: China Spec program |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 10/9/2003 9:22:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
dabear@damned.org writes:
> The Chinese have developed their space program and space vehicle completely
> without input from other programs. They deny that they saw any other space
> vehicles prior to designing their systems because it was completly designed
> inside China. Any similarity between the Chinese systems and US or Russian
> systems is purely by chance. Also, please note that when they did go to the
> US and other countries to get parts, computers, etc. they were not copying
> their systems.
>
> Al
How common is common? We human beings, despite our exterior appearances are
very much alike. Our DNA's either Chinese or European work the same way, thus
the synapses of our brain are identical in ops. Also there are only just so
many elements in the structure of the universe, thus there are just so many
ways to produce energy - THAT WE HUMANS KNOW OF RIGHT HOW. The human race has
progressed by standing on the shoulders of our ancestors. From the guy who
thought it easier to make 50 arrows at one time rather than one (idea of mass
production) to the guy who came up with the printing press (dissemination of
knowledge - dare say Internet?). And - AH yes, the idea of the rocket, first
conceived of by the Chinese a long time ago.
Mankind is like a pulsating organ. The rise and fall of each civilization
(this organ's individual parts) along with it's accumulative knowledge, pushes
it's boundaries of truth and knowledge, farther and farther. We can thank the
Greeks for ideas of governance. The Chinese for gun power and rockets. The
Persian's for mathematics, etc., etc..
The CJ-6 is the extension of the knowledge by Da Vinci (noting the airfoil
shape to produce lift), Cayley (idea of fix wings), Lilienthal (importance of
C/G), Stringfellow (the two spar wing construction), Langley (power to weight),
the Wrights (the cumulations of the aforementioned into a workable machine),
Deperdussin (monocoque fuselage construction), Fokker (the cantilever wing),
NACA (the 2300 series airfoils), and Bushi Cheng.
Now this is the "Star Track" in me speaking. Someday all the civilizations
of this planet will be reading off the same page of knowledge and truth, at the
same time. Than watch out!
And that is why, Al ("De Bear" AKA "Dead Bear"), the CJ-6 is not a copy of a
Yak. ;)
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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"Arial" LANG"0">In a message dated 10/9/2003 9:22:34 AM Eastern Daylig=
ht Time, dabear@damned.org writes:<BR>
<BR>
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FAMILY"SANSSERIF" FACE"Arial Unicode MS" LANG"0">How common is com=
mon? We human beings, despite our exterior appearances are very much a=
like. Our DNA's either Chinese or European work the same way, thus the=
synapses of our brain are identical in ops. Also there are only just=20=
so many elements in the structure of the universe, thus there are just so ma=
ny ways to produce energy - THAT WE HUMANS KNOW OF RIGHT HOW. The huma=
n race has progressed by standing on the shoulders of our ancestors. F=
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one (idea of mass production) to the guy who came up with the printing press=
(dissemination of knowledge - dare say Internet?). And - AH yes, the=20=
idea of the rocket, first conceived of by the Chinese a long time ago. =
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ion (this organ's individual parts) along with it's accumulative knowledge,=20=
pushes it's boundaries of truth and knowledge, farther and farther. We=
can thank the Greeks for ideas of governance. The Chinese for gun pow=
er and rockets. The Persian's for mathematics, etc., etc..<BR>
<BR>
The CJ-6 is the extension of the knowledge by Da Vinci (noting the airfoil s=
hape to produce lift), Cayley (idea of fix wings), Lilienthal (importance of=
C/G), Stringfellow (the two spar wing construction), Langley (power to weig=
ht), the Wrights (the cumulations of the aforementioned into a workable mach=
ine), Deperdussin (monocoque fuselage construction), Fokker (the cantilever=20=
wing), NACA (the 2300 series airfoils), and Bushi Cheng.<BR>
<BR>
Now this is the "Star Track" in me speaking. Someday all the civilizat=
ions of this planet will be reading off the same page of knowledge and truth=
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deserve neither liberty nor safety"<BR>
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| Subject: | Re: China Spec program |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> Now this is the "Star Track" in me speaking. Someday all the civilizations
> of this planet will be reading off the same page of knowledge and truth, at the
> same time. Than watch out!
> And that is why, Al ("De Bear" AKA "Dead Bear"), the CJ-6 is not a copy of a
> Yak. ;)
He gotcha Pappy. Al is just sitting over there sniggering up his sleeve.
But regardless of whether or not the Chinese capsule is a copy of the Soyuz, building
a rocket, putting a man in a capsule, copied or not, and tossing him around
the world takes a lot of energy and planning. No one in Western Europe has
tried it yet. Heck, it would be a feat even if they just borrowed our spare
parts and put together and launched an Atlas/Mercury. Don't forget Al, they
built their own launch vehicle. So, my hat's off to them. It is nice to see
someone new trying to get into space.
OTOH, what *IS* the required capacity of a launch vehicle to deliver a 10 megaton
warhead in suborbital flight from Asia to North America? As I recall the original
use for the Atlas and the Titan-II/III were to deliver "packages" to our
"friends" in the Soviet Union. We didn't build those vehicles just for the
Mercury and Gemini missions.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
Folks,
On behalf of the association, I would like to thank member Tom Noonan
for his donation to the YPA Web Project, this is what it's all about!
You can view Tom in his CJ at yakpilots.org and other information on
changes at the association there. If you would like to donate to your
new web site, address information for the treasurer is posted there.
Thanks Tom!
Drew
Drew Blahnick
RedStar Pilots Assoc.
Cell310-872-0754
www.yakpilots.org
www.flyredstar.org
"Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
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<DIV><FONT faceArial>Folks,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT faceArial>On behalf of the association, I would like to
thank member
Tom Noonan for his donation to the YPA Web Project, this is what it's
all
about!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial>You can view Tom in his CJ at yakpilots.org and
other
information on changes at the association there. If you would like
to
donate to your new web site, address information for the treasurer is
posted
there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial>Thanks Tom!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial>Drew</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT faceArial>Drew Blahnick<BR>RedStar Pilots
Assoc.<BR>Cell310-872-0754<BR><A
href"http://www.yakpilots.org">www.yakpilots.org</A><BR><A
href"http://www.flyredstar.org">www.flyredstar.org</A><BR>"Communism:
Lousy
Politics - Great Airplanes"</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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| Subject: | Re: Color Schemes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: N4829T@aol.com
Mike,
Contact me off list and I'll give you the paint scheme info...
James H. Plumlee
N31103/CJ-6A
843-987-3260
843-263-0679
N4829T@aol.com
<HTML><FONT FACEarial,helvetica><FONT SIZE2>Mike,
<BR>
<BR>Contact me off list and I'll give you the paint scheme info...
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>James H. Plumlee
<BR>
<BR>N31103/CJ-6A
<BR>843-987-3260
<BR>843-263-0679
<BR>N4829T@aol.com</FONT></HTML>
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| Subject: | Yak crash in England |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Please slap the bottom of the tailcone of your aircraft to check for loose
articles before aerobatics. Even something as small as locking wire can kill
you.
See the link below
http://www.camberley.co.uk/story.asp?intid=150&txtpaper=
Gus
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