Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:25 AM - List Fund Raiser - Wow, Have You Seen The Free Gifts? (Matt Dralle)
2. 12:52 AM - Yak clock manual (Rob Kent)
3. 01:23 AM - magnets (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
4. 01:41 AM - tyres or tires? (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
5. 04:16 AM - Re: tyres or tires? (A. Dennis Savarese)
6. 04:25 AM - Re: YAK-52 Tires (A. Dennis Savarese)
7. 05:43 AM - Re: YAK-52 Tires (Genzlinger, Reade)
8. 06:38 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 11/04/03 (John W Finley)
9. 07:01 AM - Yak-52 Tires (Bob Monzo)
10. 07:19 AM - Re: Yak clock manual (Jim Selby)
11. 07:57 AM - Re: YAK-52 Tires (BUTLER, FRANCIS)
12. 08:14 AM - Re: Alternators for the M14P (Rick Basiliere)
13. 08:14 AM - Re: Alternators for the M14P (Rick Basiliere)
14. 08:40 AM - Re: Alternators for the M14P (Dave Laird)
15. 09:41 AM - 500X150 tires (joe h)
16. 10:33 AM - Re: 500X150 tires (Jim Selby)
17. 12:30 PM - Re: Alternators for the M14P (Ron Davis)
18. 12:35 PM - Re: Alternators for the M14P (Ron Davis)
19. 02:48 PM - Re: YAK-52 Tires (Gus Fraser)
20. 03:33 PM - Re: Alternators for the M14P (Jon Boede)
21. 03:56 PM - Re: Alternators for the M14P (Doug Sapp)
22. 04:16 PM - Re: Alternators for the M14P (Jon Boede)
23. 05:57 PM - Re: Alternators for the M14P (Jim Griffin)
24. 05:57 PM - Re: Alternators for the M14P (Ernie)
25. 06:19 PM - Re: Alternators for the M14P (Ron Davis)
26. 07:59 PM - Yak-52 pilots Guidebook written in Russian available (A K)
27. 11:06 PM - Re: Yak-52 pilots Guidebook written in Russian available (Mark Schrick)
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Subject: | List Fund Raiser - Wow, Have You Seen The Free Gifts? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
The List Fund Raiser is going well so far this year and I wanted to say
"Thank You" to everyone that has made a Contribution already this year!
Though the generous support of Andy Gold and the Builders Bookstore (
http://www.buildersbooks.com ), I'm able to offer some truly awesome gifts
with qualifying Contributions this year. There's quite a line up and a
rather diverse set of options - certainly something for every taste and
personality. Here's a list of this year's fine options:
* List Archive CD
* Aircraft Builder's Log
* Pilot Flashlight System
* Pro Pilot Logbook
* FAR/AIM on CD
* Jeppesen Flight Bag
* Aviation History Book
* Techstar Flight Computer
Please support your Email List Community AND pick up a really slick Gift at
the same time! The SSL Secure Contribution web site can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Once again, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously supported
the continued operation and upgrade of the Lists Services here on the
Matronics servers!!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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Subject: | Yak clock manual |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Kent" <spares@russianaeros.com>
For anyone interested a copy of the manual for the clock we have one here
that we would be willing to fax to people for a small charge of $10 to cover
our costs. The manual is just over 20 pages long and covers all aspects of
the clock.
Rob Kent
Richard Goode Aerobatics
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark@yakuk.com>
is that one of those ally or plastic magnets? All critical points in an a/c are
magnets (to FOD)
>From "Cheetah Dan" in Chandler. . . "Might be simpler to go to Harbor Freight
and
pick up some of those cow magnets and place them strategically near the pulleys
if you're that worried about it."
Tj
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark@yakuk.com>
The dresser tyres last 3 times as long as Russian tyres, Russians do not have carbon
in the rubber so are softer. run them to the canvas at your risk!! no more
than bald is best!!!
If you want Russian tyres I can supply in batches of 100 but the price will be
more than dresser once delivered to USA.
support dresser!!!
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Subject: | Re: tyres or tires? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Desser (not dresser) also recaps tires, which as most everyone knows is
common practice amongst the airlines and military. I have had two sets of
Desser tires recapped and they seem to last even longer than their new
tires. They actually use a harder compound when recapping than with new
tires. And the best part is they are less than half the price of a new
tire! (About $120 for new 500x150 and about $55 to recap good cores).
Dennis
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From: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark@yakuk.com>
Subject: Yak-List: tyres or tires?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd"
<mark@yakuk.com>
>
> The dresser tyres last 3 times as long as Russian tyres, Russians do not
have carbon in the rubber so are softer. run them to the canvas at your
risk!! no more than bald is best!!!
>
> If you want Russian tyres I can supply in batches of 100 but the price
will be more than dresser once delivered to USA.
>
> support dresser!!!
>
>
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Subject: | Re: YAK-52 Tires |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Frank,
See my other post on the Desser recaps. You are 100% correct on the new
Desser tires, but the Russian tires are as bad or worse as far as wear is
concerned. Personally, I stick with the recaps and cycle two sets of cores.
As long as the cores are acceptable to Desser for recapping, I'll continue
to use them. Eventually though I will have to buy another set of new tires.
But when they wear out, you can count on me getting them recapped as well.
Dennis
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From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: YAK-52 Tires
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Dear Yakinators........
>
> OK, I'm gonna complain a little. I've bought three sets of new tires for
> my 52 in the last year. I've done maybe 120 hours flying in that time.
>
> The tires are from Desser and they have got to be the softest compound
> tires I've ever seen. OK, so the first set have worn prematurely due to
> over aggressive braking, I'll grant that. But the two subsequent sets of
> tires I've treated very gently yet they have also worn out way too fast.
>
> I realize Desser is the EXCLUSIVE supplier of US made tires but they are
> using way too soft a compound in the rubber for my liking. It's got to
> be a planned obsolescence kind of thing.....they can get away with doing
> it because nobody else supplies tires for our YAK-52's!
>
> I've heard the Russian tires are tough as nails. "Run em' until the
> cords start showing" I've been told! I'd like to get a couple of sets.
> Anybody have a supplier?
>
> By-the-way, Desser will re-cap your worn tires. They use a slightly
> harder compound when they do it and the tire lasts longer but they are
> still wayyyy too soft with a wayyyy too short a lifespan in my
> estimation.
>
> Original Russian tires anyone?
>
> Frank
> N9110M
> YAK-52
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
Frank:
My experience is exactly opposite of yours. The Russian rubber didn't last
100 hours yet the Desser recaps are still there after 300+ hours. the
Russian cases are tough as nails - probably good for many recaps. The set
of new rubber Desser tires now on my 52 are 150 hours old and still showing
significant tread.
Reade Genzlinger
Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
215.914.0370
215.790.6212 fax
readeg@cairnwood.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Haertlein [mailto:yak52driver@earthlink.net]
Subject: Yak-List: YAK-52 Tires
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Dear Yakinators........
OK, I'm gonna complain a little. I've bought three sets of new tires for
my 52 in the last year. I've done maybe 120 hours flying in that time.
The tires are from Desser and they have got to be the softest compound
tires I've ever seen. OK, so the first set have worn prematurely due to
over aggressive braking, I'll grant that. But the two subsequent sets of
tires I've treated very gently yet they have also worn out way too fast.
I realize Desser is the EXCLUSIVE supplier of US made tires but they are
using way too soft a compound in the rubber for my liking. It's got to
be a planned obsolescence kind of thing.....they can get away with doing
it because nobody else supplies tires for our YAK-52's!
I've heard the Russian tires are tough as nails. "Run em' until the
cords start showing" I've been told! I'd like to get a couple of sets.
Anybody have a supplier?
By-the-way, Desser will re-cap your worn tires. They use a slightly
harder compound when they do it and the tire lasts longer but they are
still wayyyy too soft with a wayyyy too short a lifespan in my
estimation.
Original Russian tires anyone?
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
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Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 11/04/03 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: John W Finley <finleycj6@juno.com>
HID lights.........Look at SUVLIGHTS.COM...they have the parts, etc.
tel. (626) 967-3139..................John
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bob Monzo" <yakpilot@wideopenwest.com>
The best combination are Russian cores with Desser recaps. The Russian cores are
way tough but the Russian rubber wears terribly. I got three years service
(about 300 hours with +/- 300 hard surface T/Ls) with this combination. I got
only about 1/3 of that from the Russian rubber. Currently I'm using new Desser
tires. It appears I'll get about two years service from these tires.
The new Desser tires appear to be about 1 in. narrower than the Russian tires.
As a result, they're probably also lighter. I've noticed significantly more
vibration/shake/rattle especially in the T/L roll with the Desser tires than I
ever experienced with the Russian tires. Also, the tubes I purchased from Desser
were too low in the stems and useless. So the Russian tubes were reused
with the new Desser tires. I'm not sure if this was the best option. Although
the Russian tubes remained in almost new condition and fit way better in the
new Desser tires than did the Desser tubes, they were made for the Russian tires
that are a little wider. As a result, there may be some wrinkling in the
Russian tubes when fitted into the Desser tires. But almost two years later,
so far so good.
Fly Safely,
Bob M.
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Subject: | Yak clock manual |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" <jimscjs@mbay.net>
Rob
I'd like one of the manuals on the clock.
Jim Selby
3008 Jean St.
Marina, Cal 93933
831 384-7046 Home/Fax
e-mail jimscjs@mbay.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rob Kent
Subject: Yak-List: Yak clock manual
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Kent" <spares@russianaeros.com>
For anyone interested a copy of the manual for the clock we have one here
that we would be willing to fax to people for a small charge of $10 to cover
our costs. The manual is just over 20 pages long and covers all aspects of
the clock.
Rob Kent
Richard Goode Aerobatics
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "BUTLER, FRANCIS" <FRANCIS_BUTLER@butler-machinery.com>
Sounds like you either have some sort of alignment/mechanical issues or landing
to fast and still heavy handed on the brakes. I had 175 hours on a set of Dessers
before I sold the 52 and they still were in great shape. I have around 100
hours on a set on my 50 and they hardly look worn.
3 sets in 120 hours? Something definitely wrong.
Francis Butler
Butler Machinery Co.
(701) 298-1758 direct
(701) 476-3208 fax
francis_butler@butler-machinery.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Haertlein [mailto:yak52driver@earthlink.net]
Subject: Yak-List: YAK-52 Tires
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Dear Yakinators........
OK, I'm gonna complain a little. I've bought three sets of new tires for
my 52 in the last year. I've done maybe 120 hours flying in that time.
The tires are from Desser and they have got to be the softest compound
tires I've ever seen. OK, so the first set have worn prematurely due to
over aggressive braking, I'll grant that. But the two subsequent sets of
tires I've treated very gently yet they have also worn out way too fast.
I realize Desser is the EXCLUSIVE supplier of US made tires but they are
using way too soft a compound in the rubber for my liking. It's got to
be a planned obsolescence kind of thing.....they can get away with doing
it because nobody else supplies tires for our YAK-52's!
I've heard the Russian tires are tough as nails. "Run em' until the
cords start showing" I've been told! I'd like to get a couple of sets.
Anybody have a supplier?
By-the-way, Desser will re-cap your worn tires. They use a slightly
harder compound when they do it and the tire lasts longer but they are
still wayyyy too soft with a wayyyy too short a lifespan in my
estimation.
Original Russian tires anyone?
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
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Subject: | Alternators for the M14P |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rick Basiliere" <discrab@earthlink.net>
I just got from B&C, a voltage regulator and I think the over voltage
component was separate (came as two pieces). Kind of sky blue and about the
size of a can of "Red Bull" only shorter. Respectfully, Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Jim Griffin wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
>
> I have a 10 amp B & C alternator on my Housai and it works fine. Steve
Culp
> told me he had placed a 50 amp on it initially and had some problems. I
have
> 2 motorcycle batteries in the plane and I suspect it was just too much
> amperage.
The motorcycle batteries will just take as much as they need. They should
work just fine. OTOH, if the alternator fails you won't have power for very
long.
> Make sure that you use their solid state voltage regulator with
> it. If you go with the 50 amp I would also purchase their overvoltage
> protection as well.
The alternator regulator/controller from B&C has over voltage protection
built-in. It also has temperature compensation to prevent overcharging
during the summer and undercharging in the winter. This is a really useful
feature.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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Subject: | Alternators for the M14P |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rick Basiliere" <discrab@earthlink.net>
www.bandcspecialty.com for B&C I thought I saw a 50 amp there.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Yakjock wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
>
> Some time back someone posted an article on a 50 amp alternator that
> fit the M14P. If memory serves they also indicated that by changing
> something the alternator could be converted to a 100 amp alternator.
You really can't Hal. The current rating of the alternator is primarily
defined by the size wire used in the stator. A 100A stator probably won't
fit in the same housing. You might be able to squeeze a 70A stator into a
50A case if they make one. You would also need to install larger diodes.
> I'd appreciate feedback on this or other ideas folks may have for a
> 50 plus amp alternator. I am aware that B&C has one .
I didn't think B&C had anything that large.
> Also, I am planning on installing HID landing lights. Anyone have
> ideas on good ones to use and where I can source them?
Lopresti makes HID landing-light upgrades for spam cans. Do you have a
source for 28V HID lights?
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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Subject: | Re: Alternators for the M14P |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com>
On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 10:16 AM, Rick Basiliere wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Rick Basiliere"
> <discrab@earthlink.net>
>
> www.bandcspecialty.com for B&C I thought I saw a 50 amp there.
>
Yes they have one....but they told me two weeks ago that they never
sell them...
I just installed the 35 amp alternator (28 volt) on my CJ6A 285hp. The
installation was easy. Directions they sent were good and easy to
understand. However, I did need to buy the an adapter plate from them
as my old adapter plate did not have a built -in oil seal that they
require for their alternators...
As a bonus, the solid-state regulator box also includes a provision to
run a "low voltage" annunciator light. This light is easily installed
in the cockpit and is set to illuminate when the bus is at or below
about 25 volts.
I mounted mine near the amp/voltmeter.
Dave Laird
CJ6A "Betty"
Dallas
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--> Yak-List message posted by: joe h <joeh@shaw.ca>
Anyone interested in new Chinese 500X150 tires similar to Russian, heavy rubber,
not much tread
60.00 US each,
Joe Howse
JOAL HOLDINGS LTD.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" <jimscjs@mbay.net>
Joal
Yes I will take 6.
Jim Selby
3008 Jean St
Marina, Cal.93933
831 384-7046 Home/Fax
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of joe h
Subject: Yak-List: 500X150 tires
--> Yak-List message posted by: joe h <joeh@shaw.ca>
Anyone interested in new Chinese 500X150 tires similar to Russian, heavy
rubber, not much tread
60.00 US each,
Joe Howse
JOAL HOLDINGS LTD.
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Subject: | Re: Alternators for the M14P |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Lopresti makes the HID in 28 volt. They are very pricey.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> Yakjock wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
> >
> > Some time back someone posted an article on a 50 amp alternator that
> > fit the M14P. If memory serves they also indicated that by changing
> > something the alternator could be converted to a 100 amp alternator.
>
> You really can't Hal. The current rating of the alternator is primarily
defined by the size wire used in the stator. A 100A stator probably won't
fit in the same housing. You might be able to squeeze a 70A stator into a
50A case if they make one. You would also need to install larger diodes.
>
> > I'd appreciate feedback on this or other ideas folks may have for a
> > 50 plus amp alternator. I am aware that B&C has one .
>
> I didn't think B&C had anything that large.
>
> > Also, I am planning on installing HID landing lights. Anyone have
> > ideas on good ones to use and where I can source them?
>
> Lopresti makes HID landing-light upgrades for spam cans. Do you have a
source for 28V HID lights?
>
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> GMT-4
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Alternators for the M14P |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
I've had this comment before from an owner that thought his big powerful
generator was going to blow up my (temporary) lawnmower batteries and burn
his jet to the ground.
Think about this way: The little 4 watt nightlight bulb in your bathroom is
plugged into a wilre that has several 1000 Megawatt power plants on the
other end. The nightlight only takes as much power as it needs. So will
your motorcycle batteries.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
>
> I have a 10 amp B & C alternator on my Housai and it works fine. Steve
Culp
> told me he had placed a 50 amp on it initially and had some problems. I
have
> 2 motorcycle batteries in the plane and I suspect it was just too much
> amperage. Make sure that you use their solid state voltage regulator with
> it. If you go with the 50 amp I would also purchase their overvoltage
> protection as well.
> Good Luck
> Jim Griffin CJ6-A 273SC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
> >
> > Some time back someone posted an article on a 50 amp alternator that fit
> the M14P. If memory serves they also indicated that by changing something
> the alternator could be converted to a 100 amp alternator. I'd appreciate
> feedback on this or other ideas folks may have for a 50 plus amp
alternator.
> I am aware that B&C has one .
> >
> > Also, I am planning on installing HID landing lights. Anyone have ideas
> on good ones to use and where I can source them?
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> > Hal
> >
> > Hal Morley
> > CJ-6A "8"
> > CJ-6A "Hana Ho!"
> >
> > (503) 704-6559 cell
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
You all need to get some of those off road tires like mine. Dico ones they
work great and last FOREVER.....
Those of you that saw me at OSH will have seen them.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Genzlinger,
Reade
Subject: RE: Yak-List: YAK-52 Tires
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
Frank:
My experience is exactly opposite of yours. The Russian rubber didn't last
100 hours yet the Desser recaps are still there after 300+ hours. the
Russian cases are tough as nails - probably good for many recaps. The set
of new rubber Desser tires now on my 52 are 150 hours old and still showing
significant tread.
Reade Genzlinger
Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
215.914.0370
215.790.6212 fax
readeg@cairnwood.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Haertlein [mailto:yak52driver@earthlink.net]
Subject: Yak-List: YAK-52 Tires
{SPAM?} Header
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Dear Yakinators........
OK, I'm gonna complain a little. I've bought three sets of new tires for
my 52 in the last year. I've done maybe 120 hours flying in that time.
The tires are from Desser and they have got to be the softest compound
tires I've ever seen. OK, so the first set have worn prematurely due to
over aggressive braking, I'll grant that. But the two subsequent sets of
tires I've treated very gently yet they have also worn out way too fast.
I realize Desser is the EXCLUSIVE supplier of US made tires but they are
using way too soft a compound in the rubber for my liking. It's got to
be a planned obsolescence kind of thing.....they can get away with doing
it because nobody else supplies tires for our YAK-52's!
I've heard the Russian tires are tough as nails. "Run em' until the
cords start showing" I've been told! I'd like to get a couple of sets.
Anybody have a supplier?
By-the-way, Desser will re-cap your worn tires. They use a slightly
harder compound when they do it and the tire lasts longer but they are
still wayyyy too soft with a wayyyy too short a lifespan in my
estimation.
Original Russian tires anyone?
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
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Subject: | Re: Alternators for the M14P |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
OTOH, Soviet thinking on batteries seems to be something more along the
lines of, "voltage regulatorski doesn't need to really do all that great
of a job since the People's Battery is built to have the
ever-living-bejesus whacked out of it and to keep on tickingski."
Or at least this seems to be the case in the L-29 and L-39, dunno about
the Yak. I had my L-39 eat *two* $1,300 Concorde batteries (can I just
say "ouch"?) before I switched to the Hawker Odyssey motorcycle batteries
(which, by the way, have been *wonderful* -- oh yes, just color me
"experimental" and fully crossed-over to the Dark Side). Concorde *STILL*
hasn't made good on either one of the batteries... those, those... those
bastards!! (much laughing)
This post mostly to continue to make good on my threat to the Concorde
rep. that I would, "tell everybody I know how bad they did by me". :-) I
*told* him that the L-39 seems to gather a crowd everywhere it lands and
did he REALLY want me to ranting about their Really, Really Bad Service on
a regular basis -- but noooo, did they listen? Of course not! :-)
Jon
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> I've had this comment before from an owner that thought his big powerful
> generator was going to blow up my (temporary) lawnmower batteries and
> burn his jet to the ground.
>
> Think about this way: The little 4 watt nightlight bulb in your
> bathroom is plugged into a wilre that has several 1000 Megawatt power
> plants on the other end. The nightlight only takes as much power as it
> needs. So will your motorcycle batteries.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
>>
>> I have a 10 amp B & C alternator on my Housai and it works fine. Steve
> Culp
>> told me he had placed a 50 amp on it initially and had some problems.
>> I
> have
>> 2 motorcycle batteries in the plane and I suspect it was just too much
>> amperage. Make sure that you use their solid state voltage regulator
>> with it. If you go with the 50 amp I would also purchase their
>> overvoltage protection as well.
>> Good Luck
>> Jim Griffin CJ6-A 273SC
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
>>
>>
>> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
>> >
>> > Some time back someone posted an article on a 50 amp alternator that
>> fit
>> the M14P. If memory serves they also indicated that by changing
>> something the alternator could be converted to a 100 amp alternator.
>> I'd appreciate feedback on this or other ideas folks may have for a 50
>> plus amp
> alternator.
>> I am aware that B&C has one .
>> >
>> > Also, I am planning on installing HID landing lights. Anyone have
>> ideas
>> on good ones to use and where I can source them?
>> >
>> > Thanks for the help.
>> >
>> > Hal
>> >
>> > Hal Morley
>> > CJ-6A "8"
>> > CJ-6A "Hana Ho!"
>> >
>> > (503) 704-6559 cell
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Alternators for the M14P |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
The Hawker Odyssey batteries are great. I have been using them for 5 years
now. They are Dry Cell batteries and can be mounted in any position other
than full inverted (why would you want to?) No vent, no spill, no hassle.
Always yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jon Boede
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
OTOH, Soviet thinking on batteries seems to be something more along the
lines of, "voltage regulatorski doesn't need to really do all that great
of a job since the People's Battery is built to have the
ever-living-bejesus whacked out of it and to keep on tickingski."
Or at least this seems to be the case in the L-29 and L-39, dunno about
the Yak. I had my L-39 eat *two* $1,300 Concorde batteries (can I just
say "ouch"?) before I switched to the Hawker Odyssey motorcycle batteries
(which, by the way, have been *wonderful* -- oh yes, just color me
"experimental" and fully crossed-over to the Dark Side). Concorde *STILL*
hasn't made good on either one of the batteries... those, those... those
bastards!! (much laughing)
This post mostly to continue to make good on my threat to the Concorde
rep. that I would, "tell everybody I know how bad they did by me". :-) I
*told* him that the L-39 seems to gather a crowd everywhere it lands and
did he REALLY want me to ranting about their Really, Really Bad Service on
a regular basis -- but noooo, did they listen? Of course not! :-)
Jon
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> I've had this comment before from an owner that thought his big powerful
> generator was going to blow up my (temporary) lawnmower batteries and
> burn his jet to the ground.
>
> Think about this way: The little 4 watt nightlight bulb in your
> bathroom is plugged into a wilre that has several 1000 Megawatt power
> plants on the other end. The nightlight only takes as much power as it
> needs. So will your motorcycle batteries.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
>>
>> I have a 10 amp B & C alternator on my Housai and it works fine. Steve
> Culp
>> told me he had placed a 50 amp on it initially and had some problems.
>> I
> have
>> 2 motorcycle batteries in the plane and I suspect it was just too much
>> amperage. Make sure that you use their solid state voltage regulator
>> with it. If you go with the 50 amp I would also purchase their
>> overvoltage protection as well.
>> Good Luck
>> Jim Griffin CJ6-A 273SC
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
>>
>>
>> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
>> >
>> > Some time back someone posted an article on a 50 amp alternator that
>> fit
>> the M14P. If memory serves they also indicated that by changing
>> something the alternator could be converted to a 100 amp alternator.
>> I'd appreciate feedback on this or other ideas folks may have for a 50
>> plus amp
> alternator.
>> I am aware that B&C has one .
>> >
>> > Also, I am planning on installing HID landing lights. Anyone have
>> ideas
>> on good ones to use and where I can source them?
>> >
>> > Thanks for the help.
>> >
>> > Hal
>> >
>> > Hal Morley
>> > CJ-6A "8"
>> > CJ-6A "Hana Ho!"
>> >
>> > (503) 704-6559 cell
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Alternators for the M14P |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
According to one of their engineers, the only reason you can't mount them
inverted is because too many less-than-entirely-bright people were
mounting them like that and the battery would head towards gravity, always
(Murphy having such a sense of humor) with some metal object making itself
of use to short the two battery leads... so it's a customer service issue
not a technical reason that you can't mount them inverted.
Jon
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> The Hawker Odyssey batteries are great. I have been using them for 5
> years now. They are Dry Cell batteries and can be mounted in any
> position other than full inverted (why would you want to?) No vent, no
> spill, no hassle.
>
> Always yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jon Boede To:
> yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> OTOH, Soviet thinking on batteries seems to be something more along the
> lines of, "voltage regulatorski doesn't need to really do all that great
> of a job since the People's Battery is built to have the
> ever-living-bejesus whacked out of it and to keep on tickingski."
>
> Or at least this seems to be the case in the L-29 and L-39, dunno about
> the Yak. I had my L-39 eat *two* $1,300 Concorde batteries (can I just
> say "ouch"?) before I switched to the Hawker Odyssey motorcycle
> batteries (which, by the way, have been *wonderful* -- oh yes, just
> color me "experimental" and fully crossed-over to the Dark Side).
> Concorde *STILL* hasn't made good on either one of the batteries...
> those, those... those bastards!! (much laughing)
>
> This post mostly to continue to make good on my threat to the Concorde
> rep. that I would, "tell everybody I know how bad they did by me". :-)
> I *told* him that the L-39 seems to gather a crowd everywhere it lands
> and did he REALLY want me to ranting about their Really, Really Bad
> Service on a regular basis -- but noooo, did they listen? Of course
> not! :-)
>
> Jon
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>>
>> I've had this comment before from an owner that thought his big
>> powerful generator was going to blow up my (temporary) lawnmower
>> batteries and burn his jet to the ground.
>>
>> Think about this way: The little 4 watt nightlight bulb in your
>> bathroom is plugged into a wilre that has several 1000 Megawatt power
>> plants on the other end. The nightlight only takes as much power as
>> it needs. So will your motorcycle batteries.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
>>
>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
>>>
>>> I have a 10 amp B & C alternator on my Housai and it works fine.
>>> Steve
>> Culp
>>> told me he had placed a 50 amp on it initially and had some problems.
>>> I
>> have
>>> 2 motorcycle batteries in the plane and I suspect it was just too
>>> much amperage. Make sure that you use their solid state voltage
>>> regulator with it. If you go with the 50 amp I would also purchase
>>> their
>>> overvoltage protection as well.
>>> Good Luck
>>> Jim Griffin CJ6-A 273SC
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
>>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
>>>
>>>
>>> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
>>> >
>>> > Some time back someone posted an article on a 50 amp alternator
>>> that
>>> fit
>>> the M14P. If memory serves they also indicated that by changing
>>> something the alternator could be converted to a 100 amp alternator.
>>> I'd appreciate feedback on this or other ideas folks may have for a
>>> 50 plus amp
>> alternator.
>>> I am aware that B&C has one .
>>> >
>>> > Also, I am planning on installing HID landing lights. Anyone have
>>> ideas
>>> on good ones to use and where I can source them?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for the help.
>>> >
>>> > Hal
>>> >
>>> > Hal Morley
>>> > CJ-6A "8"
>>> > CJ-6A "Hana Ho!"
>>> >
>>> > (503) 704-6559 cell
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
I wonder why the battery states it should be charged at one to two amps on a
charger? What you say is true for a topped off battery but I don't think
your battery life will be long if you run it down for whatever reason and
hit it with 50 amps over and over.
Jim Griffin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> I've had this comment before from an owner that thought his big powerful
> generator was going to blow up my (temporary) lawnmower batteries and burn
> his jet to the ground.
>
> Think about this way: The little 4 watt nightlight bulb in your bathroom
is
> plugged into a wilre that has several 1000 Megawatt power plants on the
> other end. The nightlight only takes as much power as it needs. So will
> your motorcycle batteries.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> >
> > I have a 10 amp B & C alternator on my Housai and it works fine. Steve
> Culp
> > told me he had placed a 50 amp on it initially and had some problems. I
> have
> > 2 motorcycle batteries in the plane and I suspect it was just too much
> > amperage. Make sure that you use their solid state voltage regulator
with
> > it. If you go with the 50 amp I would also purchase their overvoltage
> > protection as well.
> > Good Luck
> > Jim Griffin CJ6-A 273SC
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
> > >
> > > Some time back someone posted an article on a 50 amp alternator that
fit
> > the M14P. If memory serves they also indicated that by changing
something
> > the alternator could be converted to a 100 amp alternator. I'd
appreciate
> > feedback on this or other ideas folks may have for a 50 plus amp
> alternator.
> > I am aware that B&C has one .
> > >
> > > Also, I am planning on installing HID landing lights. Anyone have
ideas
> > on good ones to use and where I can source them?
> > >
> > > Thanks for the help.
> > >
> > > Hal
> > >
> > > Hal Morley
> > > CJ-6A "8"
> > > CJ-6A "Hana Ho!"
> > >
> > > (503) 704-6559 cell
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I found out what you meant first hand this weekend while flying a a local
airshow. My L-29 has 2 new 650 CCA Die Hards which on a good day will start
me at around 690 Degrees EGT. While my buddy this weekend using the Hawkers
consistently started some where around 560 degrees. I'm sold, just waiting
for a battery box.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> OTOH, Soviet thinking on batteries seems to be something more along the
> lines of, "voltage regulatorski doesn't need to really do all that great
> of a job since the People's Battery is built to have the
> ever-living-bejesus whacked out of it and to keep on tickingski."
>
> Or at least this seems to be the case in the L-29 and L-39, dunno about
> the Yak. I had my L-39 eat *two* $1,300 Concorde batteries (can I just
> say "ouch"?) before I switched to the Hawker Odyssey motorcycle batteries
> (which, by the way, have been *wonderful* -- oh yes, just color me
> "experimental" and fully crossed-over to the Dark Side). Concorde *STILL*
> hasn't made good on either one of the batteries... those, those... those
> bastards!! (much laughing)
>
> This post mostly to continue to make good on my threat to the Concorde
> rep. that I would, "tell everybody I know how bad they did by me". :-) I
> *told* him that the L-39 seems to gather a crowd everywhere it lands and
> did he REALLY want me to ranting about their Really, Really Bad Service on
> a regular basis -- but noooo, did they listen? Of course not! :-)
>
> Jon
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> >
> > I've had this comment before from an owner that thought his big powerful
> > generator was going to blow up my (temporary) lawnmower batteries and
> > burn his jet to the ground.
> >
> > Think about this way: The little 4 watt nightlight bulb in your
> > bathroom is plugged into a wilre that has several 1000 Megawatt power
> > plants on the other end. The nightlight only takes as much power as it
> > needs. So will your motorcycle batteries.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
> >
> >
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> >>
> >> I have a 10 amp B & C alternator on my Housai and it works fine. Steve
> > Culp
> >> told me he had placed a 50 amp on it initially and had some problems.
> >> I
> > have
> >> 2 motorcycle batteries in the plane and I suspect it was just too much
> >> amperage. Make sure that you use their solid state voltage regulator
> >> with it. If you go with the 50 amp I would also purchase their
> >> overvoltage protection as well.
> >> Good Luck
> >> Jim Griffin CJ6-A 273SC
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
> >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
> >>
> >>
> >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
> >> >
> >> > Some time back someone posted an article on a 50 amp alternator that
> >> fit
> >> the M14P. If memory serves they also indicated that by changing
> >> something the alternator could be converted to a 100 amp alternator.
> >> I'd appreciate feedback on this or other ideas folks may have for a 50
> >> plus amp
> > alternator.
> >> I am aware that B&C has one .
> >> >
> >> > Also, I am planning on installing HID landing lights. Anyone have
> >> ideas
> >> on good ones to use and where I can source them?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for the help.
> >> >
> >> > Hal
> >> >
> >> > Hal Morley
> >> > CJ-6A "8"
> >> > CJ-6A "Hana Ho!"
> >> >
> >> > (503) 704-6559 cell
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
I too have seen Concordes fried by an L-39. We never did figure out exactly
what happened. We never did figure out what a $1200 battery was doing in
the plane either since the Albatros has an insignificant starting load of
106 amps that anything bigger than a lantern battery could handle.
You do perhaps need some reserve capacity in case the generator and the RAT
fail, but I think the real battery sizing criterion is how long the pilot
sits in the plane before starting the engine.
For serious starting loads like a MiG, PowerSonic makes some good batteries,
but takes two of their $120 batteries to put out 24 volts and 900 amps.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> OTOH, Soviet thinking on batteries seems to be something more along the
> lines of, "voltage regulatorski doesn't need to really do all that great
> of a job since the People's Battery is built to have the
> ever-living-bejesus whacked out of it and to keep on tickingski."
>
> Or at least this seems to be the case in the L-29 and L-39, dunno about
> the Yak. I had my L-39 eat *two* $1,300 Concorde batteries (can I just
> say "ouch"?) before I switched to the Hawker Odyssey motorcycle batteries
> (which, by the way, have been *wonderful* -- oh yes, just color me
> "experimental" and fully crossed-over to the Dark Side). Concorde *STILL*
> hasn't made good on either one of the batteries... those, those... those
> bastards!! (much laughing)
>
> This post mostly to continue to make good on my threat to the Concorde
> rep. that I would, "tell everybody I know how bad they did by me". :-) I
> *told* him that the L-39 seems to gather a crowd everywhere it lands and
> did he REALLY want me to ranting about their Really, Really Bad Service on
> a regular basis -- but noooo, did they listen? Of course not! :-)
>
> Jon
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> >
> > I've had this comment before from an owner that thought his big powerful
> > generator was going to blow up my (temporary) lawnmower batteries and
> > burn his jet to the ground.
> >
> > Think about this way: The little 4 watt nightlight bulb in your
> > bathroom is plugged into a wilre that has several 1000 Megawatt power
> > plants on the other end. The nightlight only takes as much power as it
> > needs. So will your motorcycle batteries.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
> >
> >
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> >>
> >> I have a 10 amp B & C alternator on my Housai and it works fine. Steve
> > Culp
> >> told me he had placed a 50 amp on it initially and had some problems.
> >> I
> > have
> >> 2 motorcycle batteries in the plane and I suspect it was just too much
> >> amperage. Make sure that you use their solid state voltage regulator
> >> with it. If you go with the 50 amp I would also purchase their
> >> overvoltage protection as well.
> >> Good Luck
> >> Jim Griffin CJ6-A 273SC
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
> >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
> >>
> >>
> >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
> >> >
> >> > Some time back someone posted an article on a 50 amp alternator that
> >> fit
> >> the M14P. If memory serves they also indicated that by changing
> >> something the alternator could be converted to a 100 amp alternator.
> >> I'd appreciate feedback on this or other ideas folks may have for a 50
> >> plus amp
> > alternator.
> >> I am aware that B&C has one .
> >> >
> >> > Also, I am planning on installing HID landing lights. Anyone have
> >> ideas
> >> on good ones to use and where I can source them?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for the help.
> >> >
> >> > Hal
> >> >
> >> > Hal Morley
> >> > CJ-6A "8"
> >> > CJ-6A "Hana Ho!"
> >> >
> >> > (503) 704-6559 cell
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Yak-52 pilots Guidebook written in Russian available |
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--> Yak-List message posted by: A K <www555ru@yahoo.com>
Dear Sirs!
I have Yak-52 pilot's Guidebook written in Russian
(A.E. Korovin ''Yak-52 posobie letchiku'' , Moscow,
DOSAAF USSR, 1987). It's good, illustrated edition,
120 color pages of A4 format.
I have some scannered page samples to show what it is.
I can send you CD copy of this book for $350
(shipment included).
Sincerely,
Alexandr Kiosse
Moldova
+373 691 797 54
www555ru@yahoo.com
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Subject: | Yak-52 pilots Guidebook written in Russian available |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Please send me a few copies of the pages so I can see what you are offering.
I might be interested.
Mark SHREK Schrick
YAK Driver, Inc
Western USA Dealer for AEROSTAR (Yak 52TW /W)
Fully Restored YAK 52s, Can help met anyones budget !!
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, Ca 95120-1848
(408) 323-5150 phone / fax
(408) 391-6664 cell
schrick@pacbell.net <mailto:schrick@pacbell.net>
www.YAKDRIVER.com <http://www.YAKDRIVER.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A K
Subject: Yak-List: Yak-52 pilots Guidebook written in Russian available
--> Yak-List message posted by: A K <www555ru@yahoo.com>
Dear Sirs!
I have Yak-52 pilot's Guidebook written in Russian
(A.E. Korovin ''Yak-52 posobie letchiku'' , Moscow,
DOSAAF USSR, 1987). It's good, illustrated edition,
120 color pages of A4 format.
I have some scannered page samples to show what it is.
I can send you CD copy of this book for $350
(shipment included).
Sincerely,
Alexandr Kiosse
Moldova
+373 691 797 54
www555ru@yahoo.com
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