Today's Message Index:
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1. 10:26 AM - SIRS (Barry Hancock)
2. 11:14 AM - Show of hands (Barry Hancock)
3. 01:20 PM - Re: Show of hands (YakL1@aol.com)
4. 02:02 PM - Re: Show of hands (Drew Blahnick)
5. 02:12 PM - Re: Alternators for the M14P (Jorgen Nielsen)
6. 03:09 PM - Ownership advice needed (Kendel McCarley)
7. 03:21 PM - Re: Show of hands (John W. Hilterman Jr.)
8. 05:04 PM - Typical or recommended engine instruments...Housai (David Stroud)
9. 06:32 PM - yak 55m carb heat (Beverly and Cameron Donnelly)
10. 07:10 PM - Re: Ownership advice needed (A. Dennis Savarese)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
I put a SIRS compass in Panda-Monium and I really like it. Even on the
dash it is much lower profile than the O-riginal and is MUCH more stable
than the whiskey compass....
Barry
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Hey gang,
Planning for next year is already underway out here on the west coast.
Last year we did a "dry run" of an introduction to ACM and Advanced
Formation. Hal Morely, Walt Frike, Cary Venden, Buck Bender and I had a
great time.
This year we want to do it bigger and better. We will base this year
out of the Palm Springs Air Museum and train out of Thermal. What I
need right now is a show of hands. The dates are either the 20-22 or
the 27-29 of February, which are the two weekends after
Valentine's/President's Days weekend.
Our instructor pool this year is much bigger so we should be able to
accommodate as many as want to attend.
If I you are interested in coming out to Palm Springs for great flying
weather, airspace for some great flying, and hanging out, please email
me directly so I can get a feel for planning this thing. I will have
more details to follow once I get an idea of the numbers and areas of
interest.
Thanks!
Barry
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | Re: Show of hands |
--> Yak-List message posted by: YakL1@aol.com
Count me in!
John Zecherle
N911YK
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| Subject: | Re: Show of hands |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
I'm in! But you knew that right.
The Palm Sping Warbird Museum Director has pledged support to include use of
their theater and other briefing facilities, this makes for an excellent
ground school environment for FAST, ACM etc. They would also be willing to
park us in their gated museum ramp if we can all fit and the FBO gas truck
will visit to fill us up. Take that support along with a great Friday night
in Palm Springs and this is an exellent opportunity to winter fly and take
the wife/girlfriend on a mini vacation...
Drew
Drew Blahnick
RedStar Pilots Assoc.
Cell310-872-0754
www.yakpilots.org
www.flyredstar.org
"Communism: Lousy Politics - Great Airplanes"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Show of hands
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
> Hey gang,
>
> Planning for next year is already underway out here on the west coast.
> Last year we did a "dry run" of an introduction to ACM and Advanced
> Formation. Hal Morely, Walt Frike, Cary Venden, Buck Bender and I had a
> great time.
>
> This year we want to do it bigger and better. We will base this year
> out of the Palm Springs Air Museum and train out of Thermal. What I
> need right now is a show of hands. The dates are either the 20-22 or
> the 27-29 of February, which are the two weekends after
> Valentine's/President's Days weekend.
>
> Our instructor pool this year is much bigger so we should be able to
> accommodate as many as want to attend.
>
> If I you are interested in coming out to Palm Springs for great flying
> weather, airspace for some great flying, and hanging out, please email
> me directly so I can get a feel for planning this thing. I will have
> more details to follow once I get an idea of the numbers and areas of
> interest.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Barry
> Barry Hancock
> Director of Operations
> Red Stars, Inc.
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
>
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| Subject: | Alternators for the M14P |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Hi Brian
Points you made below re chargers noted & agreed.
2 comments: Without getting real fancy in terms of sophisticated chargers,
I have found that by using a cheap conservatily sized charger, either solar
panel or powered, AND verifying current flow with ammeter at different
states of charge, you can work out a compromise that will replenish charge
and will not cook the battery if left on. The downside is of course risking
not getting the battery up to full charge if depleted.
The original post was related to an in aircraft battery install, with no
alternator, to power xsponder & comm for limited period, for relatively
infrequent (weekly?) flights. Hence the recomendation to size at double the
actual AH requirement, so as not to deep discharge each time, shortening
battery life & risking a no-comms situation. Agreed with on board charging
this would be overkill.
Also agreed on flat-out wrong info on web, one has to filter carefully - the
most common misconception I have seen being the hyped up and overstated
memory effect problem with nicads in general.
Regards
Jorgen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Alternators for the M14P
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Jorgen Nielsen @ Mweb wrote:
> reaches charge, the current reduces to float. If you dont have power in
the
> hangar use a solar panel or 2 in series for 24V.
Actually, once the lead-acid battery reaches full charge you need to drop
the *voltage* to a float level. This voltage is selected so that the
battery neither charges nor discharges and it varies with temperature. The
really good chargers for lead-acid batteries charge in three stages:
1. constant current in order to put back about 80% of the charge and this
switches to;
2. constant voltage at the absorption level, typically about 14.6V (29.2V)
for a fixed amount of time and then;
3. drops to a float voltage of around 13.2V (26.4V).
These numbers vary depending on battery type; i.e. flooded cell, AGM, or
gel; and they vary with temperature.
> This is the same problem yachties have, good info on the web.
Most of what I have found on the web posted by so-called experts for
yachties has just been flat-out wrong. Go read the manufacturer's data.
For sealed AGM/Gel batteries the Deka on-line technical manual is really
useful reading. See: http://www.eastpenn-deka.com/products/pdfs/0139.pdf.
I have also found Ample Power to have good information as well. They make
smart regulators and battery chargers for boats and RVs. Their stuff is
designed to rapidly charge a battery without damaging it so you get the
maximum number of cycles from the battery.
> When choosing a battery work out the total drain (e.g. xsponder + comm) in
> Amp hours, multiply by how many hours you want, double it and thats what
> size battery you need. E.g. 1.5AH X 3 hours + 4.5AH, you need a 9AH
> battery. You will never get all 9AH out of it and shouldn't discharge
> totally anyway, plus you get a bit of reserve.
Battery manufacturers will specify the battery capacity at different
discharge rates. As the current draw increases the battery capacity
decreases. So you need to figure out the current and the time but then you
need to refer to the battery manufacturer's specs. Remember, aircraft use
is not the same as deep-cycle energy storage use (like boats and houses with
solar PV panels).
In the case of an airplane, the alternator is not likely to fail often so
the discharge may be 100% since the battery will very seldom be required to
perform this task. Doubling the capacity of the battery is overkill.
Figuring out the right battery size and then adding 20% in order to
accommodate the battery's decrease in capacity with time makes more sense.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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| Subject: | Ownership advice needed |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Kendel McCarley <kmmccarley@earthlink.net>
Hello, All.
I'm a low time C172 pilot who's been trying to figure out what to buy for pleasure
flying and some cross country work. After talking to some Nanchang and Yak
pilots at Copperstate, I started lurking on this list. Now, I'm running into
Yak-52s for sale and have some questions about their acquisition, modification,
and use.
It's my understanding that the 52 is fairly easy to transition into for a low time
guy like myself (it's a trainer after all). It also seems like it would fit
my mechanic skills (long time car guy who's alternative is building an RV-8).
After reading the FARs, I've come to believe that I could use one well for
increasing my proficiency under the experimental exhibition rules. I'd want
to visit a good number of fly-ins, visit a lot of airports in the southwest, and
occasionally make trips from Arizona to Oklahoma for family visits. All this
seems to fit under the rules, as long as I send the appropriate notifications
to the FAA before flying.
So, here're my questions, no particular order:
1) Can I maintain the airplane myself like I would a homebuilt?
2) What's involved in importing a rebuildable plane?
3) Does it make more sense to buy one that's already rebuilt (money vs. joy of
hands on and knowing the airplane)?
4) What does it take to fit wingtips, nav lights, and a landing light? (cost and
effort)
5) Where does one buy parts?
6) What number of flying hours would it take to make ownership make sense? (I
do have to put a couple of kids through college in the next ten to twenty years,
so I worry about money some)
7) What's a guess for operating costs per hour? Minimum number of hours for those
costs?
8) Insurance... where, from whom, and how much?
9) How hard is it to take the aircraft apart for painting?
10) What must be done to install a transponder?
11) Is there a web site detailing the wet wing modification?
12) Any operating limitations that would make a Yak 52 undesirable for personal/family
flying?
13) Anything else to tell a guy thinking about diving into Yak ownership?
Thanks,
- Kendel
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| Subject: | Re: Show of hands |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "John W. Hilterman Jr." <johnhilterman1@cox.net>
I=B9ll be there if you guys are in need of an ACM and Tac Form IP.
Hitman
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| Subject: | Typical or recommended engine instruments...Housai |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Giday, Lads. Thank you very much for your recommends re: 12 or 24 volts. 24 it
is.
Would any of you care to recommend a list of engine instruments? This plane is
a replica
of a 1930 Fairchild and some leaning toward authenticity would be desireably but
I don't
give over any safety for it. I'm thinking there must be some on board air pressure
gauge
too and come to think of it, what's involved with that air starter solenoid switch?
Thanks again.
Dave Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia Mk 1 C-FDWS
Fairchild 51, early construction
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| Subject: | yak 55m carb heat |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Beverly and Cameron Donnelly" <cdonnell@look.ca>
Dear Listers,
A friend in Calgary has recently acquired a Yak 55M and we have some questions
about carb heat. Apologies in advance if this has been covered before but we
are new to the M14P engine. Any pictures of carb heat installations would be
greatly appreciated as would a source for airframe manuals.
I believe that we have two plastic ducts...how do these attach to the engine and
to the carb air box?
The aircraft has a Suhkoi air compressor system that is not producing adequate
pressure, any suggestions?
Thanks to all for the help,
Cameron Donnelly
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| Subject: | Re: Ownership advice needed |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
My responses are within your email in CAPS.
A. Dennis Savarese
YAK 52 World, LLC
334-285-2141 office
334-546-8182 cell
www.yak-52.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kendel McCarley" <kmmccarley@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Ownership advice needed
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Kendel McCarley <kmmccarley@earthlink.net>
>
> Hello, All.
>
> I'm a low time C172 pilot who's been trying to figure out what to buy for
pleasure flying and some cross country work. After talking to some Nanchang
and Yak pilots at Copperstate, I started lurking on this list. Now, I'm
running into Yak-52s for sale and have some questions about their
acquisition, modification, and use.
>
> It's my understanding that the 52 is fairly easy to transition into for a
low time guy like myself (it's a trainer after all). It also seems like it
would fit my mechanic skills (long time car guy who's alternative is
building an RV-8). After reading the FARs, I've come to believe that I
could use one well for increasing my proficiency under the experimental
exhibition rules. I'd want to visit a good number of fly-ins, visit a lot
of airports in the southwest, and occasionally make trips from Arizona to
Oklahoma for family visits. All this seems to fit under the rules, as long
as I send the appropriate notifications to the FAA before flying.
>
> So, here're my questions, no particular order:
>
> 1) Can I maintain the airplane myself like I would a homebuilt? YES,
MOST DEFINITELY. THE ONLY THING REQUIRED IS AN ANNUAL CONDITION INSPECTION
WHICH MUST BE SIGNED OFF BY AN A&P. DOES NOT REQUIRE AN A&P/IA.
> 2) What's involved in importing a rebuildable plane? BE VERY CAREFUL
HERE. YOU REALLY DO GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. IT'S NOT LIKE BUYING A CESSNA
172. TALK WITH KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE BEFORE EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT. YOU CAN
EASILY GET BURNED.
> 3) Does it make more sense to buy one that's already rebuilt (money vs.
joy of hands on and knowing the airplane)? IT'S ALWAYS BEST TO BUY A ZERO
TIME SMOH AIRPLANE (AIRFRAME, ENGINE AND PROP).
> 4) What does it take to fit wingtips, nav lights, and a landing light?
(cost and effort) NOT TOO EXPENSIVE, BUT MUCH EASIER AND LESS EXPENSIVE TO
INSTALL DURING OVERHAUL AT THE OVERHAUL FACILITY.
> 5) Where does one buy parts? TWO KEY PARTS SUPPLIERS HERE IN THE U.S.
CARL HAYS ENTERPRISES IN CA. AND GESOCO INDUSTRIES IN VT.
> 6) What number of flying hours would it take to make ownership make
sense? (I do have to put a couple of kids through college in the next ten
to twenty years, so I worry about money some) TOUGH TO ANSWER THAT ONE.
YOU WILL TYPICALLY FLY THE YAK MORE THAN YOU WOULD A 172.
> 7) What's a guess for operating costs per hour? ???? Minimum number of
hours for those costs?
> 8) Insurance... where, from whom, and how much? TOM JOHNSON, CANNON
AVIATION INSURANCE, (GO TO MY WEB SITE TO GET CONTACT INFO, www.yak-52.com.)
> 9) How hard is it to take the aircraft apart for painting? IF YOU ORDER
AN OVERHAULED AIRPLANE, IT WILL BE PAINTED WHEN IT ARRIVES HERE
> 10) What must be done to install a transponder? VERY EASY. WE INSTALL
MICROAIR OR BECKER 2 1/4" ROUND TRANSPONDERS.
> 11) Is there a web site detailing the wet wing modification? NO! NO! NO!
STAY AWAY FROM ANY TYPE OF INTRUSION INTO THE WING. CALL ME IF YOU'D LIKE
TO DISCUSS THIS AND ANY OTHER MODIFICATIONS.
> 12) Any operating limitations that would make a Yak 52 undesirable for
personal/family flying? NONE
> 13) Anything else to tell a guy thinking about diving into Yak ownership?
IF YOU BUY AN EXISTING AIRPLANE AND NOT AN OVERHAUL, DO YOURSELF AND YOUR
FAMILY A FAVOR AND BE SURE TO GET A QUALIFIED AND THOROUGH PRE-PURCHASE
INSPECTION.
>
> Thanks,
YOU'RE WELCOME
>
> - Kendel
>
>
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