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1. 06:28 AM - Definitive Yak 52 POH (Stuart Mackereth)
2. 06:44 AM - (Tim Gagnon)
3. 09:50 AM - [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? (Matt Dralle)
4. 02:05 PM - Extraction system (Ernest Martinez)
5. 04:21 PM - Re: Extraction system (cjpilot710@aol.com)
6. 06:03 PM - Re: Extraction system ()
7. 06:05 PM - Re: Extraction system (fraseg@comcast.net)
8. 08:19 PM - Re: Ownership advice (Barry Hancock)
9. 10:48 PM - Re: Re: Ownership advice (Gus Fraser)
10. 11:27 PM - extraction seats (Barry Hancock)
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| Subject: | Definitive Yak 52 POH |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
If anyone is interested in a very comprehensive POH for the Yak 52, you
can find a copy at: http://www.incendio.co.za/yak52. It's a combination
of all the best sources that I have found available - and colated and
merged with kind permission from the major Yak dealers and players.
To foster the spirit of continual improvement and
suggestions/comments/corrections, it's been labelled "The Definitive
POH", to encourage the opinionated ones to get involved :-) and actually
end up with one!
And best of all, it's free. Enjoy.
-
de.fin.i.tive adj.
1. Precisely defined or explicit.
2. Supplying or being a final settlement or decision; conclusive.
3. Authoritative and complete
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Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:44:23 -0500
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Kendal,
Listen to what Dennis has to say. He knows these things as well as anyone out there.
There are some very helpful guys on this board and heed their advice. You
will avoid some serious mistakes!! Don't let emotions take over or you will
make some poor choices and get hosed!! Trust me!!!! My -50 has been an ongoing
"restoration" and it was simply not cared for prior to now. I am making up for
my mistakes an it is now in the hands of someone very capable. It will be one
of the nicest (if not the nicest) Yak-50 here...at least we will think so
Dennis is right on about recommending Tom Johnson. Tom owns a really nice Yak-52
himself!! Insurance guy that owns the same airplane he insures....what more
could you want!
One last thing: Be very careful who you buy from. Ask for references here and anywhere
you can. DO HAVE A GOOD PREPURCHASE by someone who knows them. Take a
very good look at the logbooks yourself. Make damn sure the original logbooks
are included. They hold an invaluable amount of information in them and you will
know the history of the bird. People tend to hide things when they are not.
You will be getting into a great community of some very helpful people. You will
also find some folks that sometimes simply do not know what they are talking
about or are guessing.
I am new to Yaks and have learned a lot from people on here and through time with
my own airplane. I also made some mistakes by not listening to people on here
too!!
Best of luck and welcome!
Tim Gagnon
Yak-50
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| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
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| Subject: | Extraction system |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernest Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Has anyone got the poop on how the ejection/extraction seats work on the
new Sukois??? I was wondering if I could retrofit them to my L-29. If
possible, does anyone know of the price, and where to get them??
Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: Extraction system |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 11/14/2003 5:06:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ernest.martinez@oracle.com writes:
Has anyone got the poop on how the ejection/extraction seats work on the
new Sukois??? I was wondering if I could retrofit them to my L-29. If
possible, does anyone know of the price, and where to get them??
I flew with one in a supped up L-29 in CA. last year. The system is an
extraction system. The chute is blasted out of the airplane. At the same time
a
telescoping pole is erected at a slight angle to one side, (the back seat pole
goes to the opposite side),
The chute deploys and opens, pulling the unfortunate pilot up along the pole.
The sequence pictures I saw, showed the pilot's just clearing the pole, the
chute was fully blossomed and all were clearing the tail section.
It was a maintenance free compared to all other seats I've ever been around.
I was told the charge that blasted out the chute only needed to be change
every two year or so with just checking and cleaning plugs and such yearly. It
was rated to 200 feet while in inverted flight!!!!
This system is very easy on the spine but I was told the price tag was like
$30,000. DO NOT QUOTE ME THERE.
I thought system was quite neat and worth while for any airplane it would fit
in. I don't think one would fit in my CJ-6 unfortunately.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | Extraction system |
--> Yak-List message posted by: <johnhilterman1@cox.net>
Check out Richard Goode's website at http://www.russianaeros.com/Default.htm
He has very detailed info on the Sukhoi extraction system.
Hitman
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Subject: Yak-List: Extraction system
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernest Martinez"
<ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Has anyone got the poop on how the ejection/extraction seats work on the
new Sukois??? I was wondering if I could retrofit them to my L-29. If
possible, does anyone know of the price, and where to get them??
Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: Extraction system |
--> Yak-List message posted by: fraseg@comcast.net
Apart from the fact that they will cost you more than the aircraft PER SEAT. Why
not just get new seats from Czech ?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 11/14/2003 5:06:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> ernest.martinez@oracle.com writes:
> Has anyone got the poop on how the ejection/extraction seats work on the
> new Sukois??? I was wondering if I could retrofit them to my L-29. If
> possible, does anyone know of the price, and where to get them??
> I flew with one in a supped up L-29 in CA. last year. The system is an
> extraction system. The chute is blasted out of the airplane. At the same time
> a
> telescoping pole is erected at a slight angle to one side, (the back seat pole
> goes to the opposite side),
> The chute deploys and opens, pulling the unfortunate pilot up along the pole.
> The sequence pictures I saw, showed the pilot's just clearing the pole, the
> chute was fully blossomed and all were clearing the tail section.
>
> It was a maintenance free compared to all other seats I've ever been around.
> I was told the charge that blasted out the chute only needed to be change
> every two year or so with just checking and cleaning plugs and such yearly.
It
> was rated to 200 feet while in inverted flight!!!!
>
> This system is very easy on the spine but I was told the price tag was like
> $30,000. DO NOT QUOTE ME THERE.
>
> I thought system was quite neat and worth while for any airplane it would fit
> in. I don't think one would fit in my CJ-6 unfortunately.
>
> Jim Goolsby
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin 1759
> "With my shield, or on it"
> Trojan Warriors BC
> "The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
> until some woman stomps all over them."
> Unknown older man.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Ownership advice |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Hey Kendel, welcome to the wonderful world of Red Star aviation!
Brian Lloyd must be unplugged because I'm sure he'll break it down as he
sees it.
Kendel, the best thing I think you can do is take a look at your
expected type of flying and by the airplane that is going to give you
the most satisfaction most of the time.
Both the CJ and the -52 have their pros and cons. However, if you are
planning to do a fair amount of X/C flying it might be worth your while
to take a long hard look at the CJ. Either way, transitioning from a
C172 is very doable, but should be approached with a professional
attitude...which means taking the time and paying the money to get
thorough training. Please send us the video of your first time taxiing
the airplane! :)
My schpeel to every prospective owner goes something like this:
Both airplanes are wonderful trainers...built for two different
purposes. The CJ was built as a military trainer, the Yak was built as
an aerobatic trainer that served a military purpose. The Yak is a
better aerobatic airplane and because of the design compromises is not
nearly as comfortable a cross-country machine. Because the -52 is built
for aerobatics it is less stable....great for aerobatics, not so good
for cross country, especially if you plan on doing an IFR at any point.
Because of this I also find the CJ more enjoyable for formation flying,
but that's just me. The cockpits are smaller in the Yak-52. It has
much shorter range and is much (25 knots +/-) slower in cruise. Climb
performance in the -52 is better than the stock CJ, but an upgrade to an
M14P and that difference is washed away. Basically, if you want to yank
and bank and do a bunch of local flying the Yak is a better airplane.
If you want to do basic aerobatics, fly cross country at a reasonable
pace with reasonable range, and have good resale value, the CJ is
probably a better choice.
Support for both airplanes is excellent for now, so that's not a concern.
My advice is to take a hard look at the type of flying you want to do,
which it looks like you have, and then *fly* both airplanes. I'm sure
there are both types close to where you are and most of us are more than
happy to tell you what great airplanes we fly and give you a ride to
decide for yourself. In addition to that talk to as many in the
community as you can. Nothing beats a good education *before* you
buy....
Either way you're entering what most of us feel is the most enjoyable
warbird community in the country!
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | RE: Ownership advice |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
What Barry said, good advice.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
Subject: Yak-List: RE: Ownership advice
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Hey Kendel, welcome to the wonderful world of Red Star aviation!
Brian Lloyd must be unplugged because I'm sure he'll break it down as he
sees it.
Kendel, the best thing I think you can do is take a look at your
expected type of flying and by the airplane that is going to give you
the most satisfaction most of the time.
Both the CJ and the -52 have their pros and cons. However, if you are
planning to do a fair amount of X/C flying it might be worth your while
to take a long hard look at the CJ. Either way, transitioning from a
C172 is very doable, but should be approached with a professional
attitude...which means taking the time and paying the money to get
thorough training. Please send us the video of your first time taxiing
the airplane! :)
My schpeel to every prospective owner goes something like this:
Both airplanes are wonderful trainers...built for two different
purposes. The CJ was built as a military trainer, the Yak was built as
an aerobatic trainer that served a military purpose. The Yak is a
better aerobatic airplane and because of the design compromises is not
nearly as comfortable a cross-country machine. Because the -52 is built
for aerobatics it is less stable....great for aerobatics, not so good
for cross country, especially if you plan on doing an IFR at any point.
Because of this I also find the CJ more enjoyable for formation flying,
but that's just me. The cockpits are smaller in the Yak-52. It has
much shorter range and is much (25 knots +/-) slower in cruise. Climb
performance in the -52 is better than the stock CJ, but an upgrade to an
M14P and that difference is washed away. Basically, if you want to yank
and bank and do a bunch of local flying the Yak is a better airplane.
If you want to do basic aerobatics, fly cross country at a reasonable
pace with reasonable range, and have good resale value, the CJ is
probably a better choice.
Support for both airplanes is excellent for now, so that's not a concern.
My advice is to take a hard look at the type of flying you want to do,
which it looks like you have, and then *fly* both airplanes. I'm sure
there are both types close to where you are and most of us are more than
happy to tell you what great airplanes we fly and give you a ride to
decide for yourself. In addition to that talk to as many in the
community as you can. Nothing beats a good education *before* you
buy....
Either way you're entering what most of us feel is the most enjoyable
warbird community in the country!
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | extraction seats |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
I'm going to bed, but just thought I'd throw this in...
Extraction seats are very cool and work extremely well. Steve Kalmar is
the US rep for them. He helped me finish up my CJ project and is very
meticulous. We looked at putting them in the CJ and they will not
fit...if you redesigned the canopy to make it a side hinge, blown one
piece it would work great. As it stands now, the front windscreen frame
would rip your legs off at the knees....
As for new L-29 seats, the extraction seats actually have better
parameters for the ejection envelope...and you don't have to throw away
your back after you punch out....
B
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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