Yak-List Digest Archive

Tue 11/25/03


Total Messages Posted: 19



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     1. 12:09 AM - Re: Bananas (Stuart Mackereth)
     2. 12:17 AM - Tinted perspex? (Stuart Mackereth)
     3. 03:29 AM -  (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
     4. 03:34 AM - Re: Tinted perspex? (Brian Lloyd)
     5. 04:47 AM - T-34 Spar Mod (cpayne@joimail.com)
     6. 07:09 AM - Re: Canopy tint (Robert Starnes)
     7. 08:11 AM - Clevelands ()
     8. 08:40 AM - More Petrel Stuff (Michael Di Marco)
     9. 08:48 AM - Re: More Petrel Stuff (Michael Di Marco)
    10. 09:56 AM - Re: Re: Canopy tint (Jorgen Nielsen)
    11. 10:04 AM - CJ v. Yak ACM (Barry Hancock)
    12. 10:18 AM - Re: Tinted perspex? (ByronMFox@aol.com)
    13. 01:12 PM - Re: Tinted perspex? (Doug Sapp)
    14. 01:46 PM - RPA Please Read (Drew Blahnick)
    15. 03:50 PM - Re: Tinted perspex? (Bill Mack)
    16. 04:21 PM - Re: T-34 Spar Mod (Ron Davis)
    17. 10:44 PM - Last Minute...? (Matt Dralle)
    18. 11:20 PM - Re: Re: Canopy tint (Stuart Mackereth)
    19. 11:24 PM - Re: Tinted perspex? (Stuart Mackereth)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:09:54 AM PST US
    From: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
    Subject: Bananas
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com> Jorgen More like -40C I would think :-) Also bear in mind with import costs and hassle is the low USD rate right now!! Really good time to import into SA considering we are at a 3 year high - and nearly 50% of the cost of 18 months ago, too. Stuart Yak-52.. 15 hours down, and lovin it! -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen Subject: RE: Yak-List: Bananas --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" --> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za> Hi Craig Dogs/Cats...Are you saying the Bonanzas always chase the Mooneys? Because they in front? I will go read up on Bonanzas! And yes, good climb is important, we have hot & high conditions here, with airport elevations of over 5000ft and 30+ degree Centrigrade summer temps. One day returning to home base the Yak felt really sluggish, it was really bumpy as well, and difficult to maintain constant altitude. After landing, on the ground at 5000ft I noted the temperature of 40C. Don't think the russians expected that when putting the Yak together. Jorgen -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of cpayne@joimail.com Subject: Yak-List: Bananas --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com Jorgen, "Bananas" was a somewhat snide reference to "Bonanzas". I had hoped to provoke one or more CJ/Bonanza owner into flexing his "Beechhood". It seems numerous CJ guys also have "Bananas". Here in the USA, Bonanza owners are like dogs and Mooney drivers are like cats in the high performance single world. My real point was that, given the same payload and airspeed, the Bonanza offers similiar economy but with greater comfort and perhaps "style"? If good climb is a consideration from the airports you operate from, then perhaps a review of performance parameters would help. Craig Payne Jorgen, "Bananas" was a somewhat snide reference to "Bonanzas". I had hoped to provoke one or more CJ/Bonanza owner into flexing his "Beechhood". It seems numerous CJ guys also have "Bananas". Here in the USA, Bonanza owners are like dogs and Mooney drivers are like cats in the high performance single world. My real point was that, given the same payload and airspeed, the Bonanza offers similiar economy but with greater comfort and perhaps "style"? If good climb is a consideration from the airports you operate from, then perhaps a review of performance parameters would help. Craig Payne = == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == ==


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    Time: 12:17:38 AM PST US
    From: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
    Subject: Tinted perspex?
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com> Hi.. probably and old topic, but I must ask anyway... A bit tired of coming home sunburnt to hell, or covered with sticky sun-block, so looking into the tinting options on the yak 52. Done some local research, but everyone who does the 'smash and grab' tints for vehicle protection reckon perspex is a no-no and the tint cracks and peels quickly. Anyone got any other options before going the expensive route of buying tinted glass and refitting it? I believe there are some sprays and things on the market? Thanks - Stuart Mackereth Yak52 - Zuide Afrika! <http://www.bramptonyork.com/>


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    Time: 03:29:46 AM PST US
    From: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark@yakuk.com>
    Subject:
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark@yakuk.com> Two pilots die in trainer crash TWO senior pilots of the Hungarian Air Force lost their lives last Thursday morning when their aircraft crashed into a field in the vicinity of the farming villages of Tiszaroff and Tiszagyenda in about 120km east of Budapest. The experienced colonel and lieutenant had been flying a Russian-type two-seater Yakovlev (Yak-52) single-engined trainer aircraft, according to the Ministry of Defense (HM). Officials investigating the tragic accident said that the aircraft (with a maximum speed of 300km/h) was relatively new, acquired in 1993 for the air force training school in Szolnok (100km east of Budapest). The Yak-52 is a common first plane to fly for learner pilots. Although a Russian designed aircraft, mass production was launched in Bacauba, Romania in 1979. More than 500 aircraft were made and distributed to air forces of the former Warsaw Pact. http://www.budapestsun.com


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    Time: 03:34:34 AM PST US
    From: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
    Subject: Re: Tinted perspex?
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> Stuart Mackereth wrote: > Anyone got any other options before going the expensive route of buying > tinted glass and refitting it? I believe there are some sprays and > things on the market? The tinted glass doesn't even help that much. If you get enough tint to block UV you end up with one seriously dark cockpit. The only consistent solutions I have found are a hat or a helmet. -- Brian Lloyd, President Green Flash Networks, Inc. brian@greenflashnetworks.com 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 http://www.greenflashnetworks.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax GMT-4 -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax GMT-4


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    Time: 04:47:46 AM PST US
    From: cpayne@joimail.com
    Subject: T-34 Spar Mod
    --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com Recently, "Pappy" and I visited the restoration of the Collings F4U and "supervised" the prop hanging. Next door was a shop full of T-34's in for spar mod. They are using a CNC milled patch to beef up the wing root but the problem they encountered was that some of the spars were "work hardened" and tend to crack when the patch was installed with torqued bolts and high-strength rivets. Good looking fix, lasts for 7500 hrs before re-inspection. Me, I'll keep my CJ. Craig Payne Recently, "Pappy" and I visited the restoration of the Collings F4U and "supervised" the prop hanging. Next door was a shop full of T-34's in for spar mod. They are using a CNC milled patch to beef up the wing root but the problem they encountered was that some of the spars were "work hardened" and tend to crack when the patch was installed with torqued bolts and high-strength rivets. Goodlooking fix,lasts for 7500 hrs before re-inspection. Me, I'll keep my CJ. Craig Payne


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    Time: 07:09:40 AM PST US
    From: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Canopy tint
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com> We have found that the automotive style "peel and stick" style sun shields work great. Baby supply stores sell them so that you can position them on car door windows to protect infants.Usually @8 inch by 12inch. You may also be able to find them at a department store or auto parts store. Made out of some sort of mylar I think, seems to use static electricity to stick, there is no messy adhesive on it. Slap one up on the inside of your canopy and see if that works for you. As a bonus you can move it around as needed. __________________________________ Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/


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    Time: 08:11:28 AM PST US
    From: <3bar@telus.net>
    Subject: Clevelands
    --> Yak-List message posted by: <3bar@telus.net> Anyone out there wish a Cleveland conversion for their CJ-6A ? I have Clevelands on my CJ and wish to trade back for the original air system for medical reasons. Anyone interested please e-mail me off list at: 3bar@telus.net. Paul Dumoret N75485


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    Time: 08:40:39 AM PST US
    From: Michael Di Marco <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
    Subject: More Petrel Stuff
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com> If the CJ-6A is as much a Petrel as a T6 is a Texan or P51 a Mustang, etc., etc., why don't we use that as our aircraft type in the call sign? Sure it is a matter of choice, but ever get a controller to understand "Nanchang" on the first try? And we need not start the "just call yourself a Yak" arguement. Another way at it might be the Chinese word for Petrel. It may sound more warbirdish and be easy to understand over the radio. Anyone no what Petrel is in Mandirin or Hokien or Cantonese or any of the other provincial dialects? Mike in China Blue --------------------------------- Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now


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    Time: 08:48:45 AM PST US
    From: Michael Di Marco <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: More Petrel Stuff
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com> What a dumby I can be, replace "no" with "know". Thanks Michael Di Marco <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com> wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco If the CJ-6A is as much a Petrel as a T6 is a Texan or P51 a Mustang, etc., etc., why don't we use that as our aircraft type in the call sign? Sure it is a matter of choice, but ever get a controller to understand "Nanchang" on the first try? And we need not start the "just call yourself a Yak" arguement. Another way at it might be the Chinese word for Petrel. It may sound more warbirdish and be easy to understand over the radio. Anyone no what Petrel is in Mandirin or Hokien or Cantonese or any of the other provincial dialects? Mike in China Blue --------------------------------- Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --------------------------------- Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now


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    Time: 09:56:16 AM PST US
    From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
    Subject: Re: Canopy tint
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za> Hey Stuart I have a pretty little pink umbrella that my daughter doesn't use anymore. Maybe you can rig it and it can double up as a sight gauge? After flight you can hang it upside down under the cowl to catch all the oil. Should just hook straight on. Airwear will do a matching flight suit. Seriously, on the issue of flight gauges, I am getting a guy at FAWB to reverse engineer my sight gauge and build one for Findlay. Mine was built some time back as a one-off. There may be some ecomony of scale if you also want one? And Gary? -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert Starnes Subject: Yak-List: Re: Canopy tint --> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com> We have found that the automotive style "peel and stick" style sun shields work great. Baby supply stores sell them so that you can position them on car door windows to protect infants.Usually @8 inch by 12inch. You may also be able to find them at a department store or auto parts store. Made out of some sort of mylar I think, seems to use static electricity to stick, there is no messy adhesive on it. Slap one up on the inside of your canopy and see if that works for you. As a bonus you can move it around as needed. __________________________________ Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/


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    Time: 10:04:00 AM PST US
    Subject: CJ v. Yak ACM
    From: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net> > Ernie > You got to be kidding, right? :) I can wax your ass any day of the week > with my 52. > Frank > N9110M This is an energy fight. In the hands of equally competent pilots and all other things being equal (no mistakes by either pilot, etc.), the plane that can sustain the E longer will win. I'll let you figure out the rest... Sounds like, Frank, you should join us in the desert in Feb! Cheers, Barry Barry Hancock Director of Operations Red Stars, Inc. 949.300.5510 www.allredstar.com "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"


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    Time: 10:18:44 AM PST US
    From: ByronMFox@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Tinted perspex?
    --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com In a message dated 11/25/03 3:35:16 AM, brian@lloyd.com writes: > The tinted glass doesn't even help that much > I concur with Brian. My CJ has significantly tinted US glass. There's no noticable benefit, and often in formation wingmen have difficulty seeing my hand signals, particularly if the sun is in the wrong location. Save your money. ...Blitz Byron M. Fox Mill Valley, CA Nanchang CJ-6A N221YK 415-307-2405


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    Time: 01:12:04 PM PST US
    From: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
    Subject: Tinted perspex?
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com> My 2 Cents worth, Having flown both clear and tinted I would have to agree that the tinted is not a cure for stopping the loss of hide during a long flight. However I do believe that the tinted glass lessens this to some small and most likely immeasurable degree. I have had this discussion many times with the owner of Gee Bee Canopies who makes the canopies for the Glassairs, Glasstars, and also my CJ6A canopies (all with the same "std." tint). He tells me that originally the main reason for the tinted canopies was to reduce heat in the cockpit, to lessen the effects of the sun's UV on the pilot and his gear, and to minimize the eye strain on the part of the pilot. All good reasons for installing tinted when the time comes. Those of us (and I include myself here) that are becoming "more mature" do have our problems looking thru our canopy glare and into leads canopy (with it's glare) and correctly reading the hand signals. I almost hesitate to suggest it since I'm new to formation flying, but wouldn't a bright colored glove help in this department, especially with us newbies, who are scared spitless that we will miss a hand signal? Several times, All I have seen is a bit of movement in a green on green environment. To simple of a fix? Always yakin, Doug -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ByronMFox@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com In a message dated 11/25/03 3:35:16 AM, brian@lloyd.com writes: > The tinted glass doesn't even help that much > I concur with Brian. My CJ has significantly tinted US glass. There's no noticable benefit, and often in formation wingmen have difficulty seeing my hand signals, particularly if the sun is in the wrong location. Save your money. ...Blitz Byron M. Fox Mill Valley, CA Nanchang CJ-6A N221YK 415-307-2405


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    Time: 01:46:59 PM PST US
    From: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
    Subject: RPA Please Read
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net> Folks, (this is for US and World Wide members of the RPA) I'm often updating the home page of our website www.yakpilots.org as we finish the new site. If you are a member, please select the link concerning a "Call for Volunteers" on the home page and take the time to read a listing of volunteer positions. The time involved is small, some of the items really tap in to your creative side, and all result in the knowledge that you are helping the RPA help the members while moving it toward a leading role on the General/Warbird Aviation scene. Volunteers in selected positions pay no event fee when attending one of our clinics/fly-ins and are provided the RPA Volunteer gear (kinda looks like those FBI or DEA shirt logos). And because many of these functions are completely web/electronic based, you do not have to be a U.S. member to volunteer, in fact we have a direct need for member involvement in the UK/EUR/RUS/CHI/NZ/AUS and other nations. I would, as would all our US membership, like to see nothing more to than to have our members from Europe, New Zealand or England taking an active role in the association (Web Management/Articles/The Newsletter/Recruiting). Perhaps taking a leadership role towards building on the RPA infrastructure (Fly-Ins/Clinics/Conventions/Local Squadron groups, etc.) in these nations as well. If you enjoy and work with computers, software, the web, digital art, writing articles, setting up events, or don't mind sending occasional packages to the post office, the Association will be a better organization with your active involvement in 2004. http://www.yakpilots.org/Call%20for%20volunteers.htm Thanks for listening, and we would like to thank all those who have donated to your new website and renewed their RPA membership for 2004. Drew Blahnick RedStar Pilots Assoc. Drew Blahnick RedStar Pilots Assoc. aapilot@adelphia.net mobile: 310.872.0754 Powered by Plaxo Want a signature like this? Add me to your address book...


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    Time: 03:50:58 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Mack" <wmack@adelphia.net>
    Subject: Re: Tinted perspex?
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bill Mack" <wmack@adelphia.net> Doug, My family is 1 day away from joining the Yak community, our plane should arrive at Gesoco tomorrow for assembly. I would like to comment on your bright glove idea. I have been a road racer in formula cars for over 20 years and if you look at the safety equipment worn by drivers in open cockpit road racing cars you will notice that almost all wear a very bright signal orange glove. The reason is exactly as you say, so hand signals can be easily seen by the other drivers and corner workers. All of the corner safety workers wear bright orange gloves so the hand signals can be easily seen by the drivers. I think your suggestion is an excellent one that has already been proven effective in an arena that is very similar to formation flying. I would strongly suggest the community take your suggestion under serious consideration. Best regards, Bill Mack ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com> > > My 2 Cents worth, > Having flown both clear and tinted I would have to agree that the tinted is > not a cure for stopping the loss of hide during a long flight. However I do > believe that the tinted glass lessens this to some small and most likely > immeasurable degree. I have had this discussion many times with the owner > of Gee Bee Canopies who makes the canopies for the Glassairs, Glasstars, and > also my CJ6A canopies (all with the same "std." tint). He tells me that > originally the main reason for the tinted canopies was to reduce heat in the > cockpit, to lessen the effects of the sun's UV on the pilot and his gear, > and to minimize the eye strain on the part of the pilot. All good reasons > for installing tinted when the time comes. Those of us (and I include > myself here) that are becoming "more mature" do have our problems looking > thru our canopy glare and into leads canopy (with it's glare) and correctly > reading the hand signals. I almost hesitate to suggest it since I'm new to > formation flying, but wouldn't a bright colored glove help in this > department, especially with us newbies, who are scared spitless that we will > miss a hand signal? Several times, All I have seen is a bit of movement in > a green on green environment. To simple of a fix? > > Always yakin, > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > ByronMFox@aol.com > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com > > > In a message dated 11/25/03 3:35:16 AM, brian@lloyd.com writes: > > > > The tinted glass doesn't even help that much > > > I concur with Brian. My CJ has significantly tinted US glass. There's no > noticable benefit, and often in formation wingmen have difficulty seeing my > hand > signals, particularly if the sun is in the wrong location. Save your > money. > ...Blitz > > Byron M. Fox > Mill Valley, CA > Nanchang CJ-6A > N221YK > 415-307-2405 > >


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    Time: 04:21:51 PM PST US
    From: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: T-34 Spar Mod
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com> Beech has had recurring problems with spars. Look at the next D-18 you come across and you'll likely see a strap below the wing to reinforce the spar. King-Airs have spar problems, and of course T-34. Beech has been very sucessful, they sell lots of expensive planes, and are very popular and highly regarded in spite of a longstanding major defect in their products. I guess this makes Beech the Microsoft of aviation. ----- Original Message ----- From: <cpayne@joimail.com> Subject: Yak-List: T-34 Spar Mod > --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com > > Recently, "Pappy" and I visited the restoration of the > Collings F4U and "supervised" the prop hanging. Next door > was a shop full of T-34's in for spar mod. They are using a > CNC milled patch to beef up the wing root but the problem > they encountered was that some of the spars were "work > hardened" and tend to crack when the patch was installed > with torqued bolts and high-strength rivets. > Good looking fix, lasts for 7500 hrs before re-inspection. > Me, I'll keep my CJ. > Craig Payne > > > Recently, "Pappy" and I visited the restoration of the > Collings F4U and "supervised" the prop hanging. Next door was a shop full of > T-34's in for spar mod. They are using a CNC milled patch to beef up the wing > root but the problem they encountered was that some of the spars were "work > hardened" and tend to crack when the patch was installed with torqued bolts and > high-strength rivets. > > > Goodlooking fix,lasts for 7500 hrs before re-inspection. Me, I'll > keep my CJ. > > > Craig Payne > >


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    Time: 10:44:55 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Last Minute...?
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    Time: 11:20:54 PM PST US
    From: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
    Subject: Re: Canopy tint
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com> Jorgen If the pink umbrella has yellow spots, I'm all in! Re - site gauges - fairly keen.. Any idea on cost? Stuart -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Canopy tint --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" --> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za> Hey Stuart I have a pretty little pink umbrella that my daughter doesn't use anymore. Maybe you can rig it and it can double up as a sight gauge? After flight you can hang it upside down under the cowl to catch all the oil. Should just hook straight on. Airwear will do a matching flight suit. Seriously, on the issue of flight gauges, I am getting a guy at FAWB to reverse engineer my sight gauge and build one for Findlay. Mine was built some time back as a one-off. There may be some ecomony of scale if you also want one? And Gary? -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert Starnes Subject: Yak-List: Re: Canopy tint --> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com> We have found that the automotive style "peel and stick" style sun shields work great. Baby supply stores sell them so that you can position them on car door windows to protect infants.Usually @8 inch by 12inch. You may also be able to find them at a department store or auto parts store. Made out of some sort of mylar I think, seems to use static electricity to stick, there is no messy adhesive on it. Slap one up on the inside of your canopy and see if that works for you. As a bonus you can move it around as needed. __________________________________ Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ = == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == ==


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    Time: 11:24:50 PM PST US
    From: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
    Subject: Tinted perspex?
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com> Thanks to all for the comments re the tinted perspex. I have incidentally found some other product which is apparantly totally clear, and yet is 100% effective in cutting out UV rays. Sounds too good to be true... but I'll be looking into it anyway. Thanks Stuart -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sapp Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com> My 2 Cents worth, Having flown both clear and tinted I would have to agree that the tinted is not a cure for stopping the loss of hide during a long flight. However I do believe that the tinted glass lessens this to some small and most likely immeasurable degree. I have had this discussion many times with the owner of Gee Bee Canopies who makes the canopies for the Glassairs, Glasstars, and also my CJ6A canopies (all with the same "std." tint). He tells me that originally the main reason for the tinted canopies was to reduce heat in the cockpit, to lessen the effects of the sun's UV on the pilot and his gear, and to minimize the eye strain on the part of the pilot. All good reasons for installing tinted when the time comes. Those of us (and I include myself here) that are becoming "more mature" do have our problems looking thru our canopy glare and into leads canopy (with it's glare) and correctly reading the hand signals. I almost hesitate to suggest it since I'm new to formation flying, but wouldn't a bright colored glove help in this department, especially with us newbies, who are scared spitless that we will miss a hand signal? Several times, All I have seen is a bit of movement in a green on green environment. To simple of a fix? Always yakin, Doug -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ByronMFox@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com In a message dated 11/25/03 3:35:16 AM, brian@lloyd.com writes: > The tinted glass doesn't even help that much > I concur with Brian. My CJ has significantly tinted US glass. There's no noticable benefit, and often in formation wingmen have difficulty seeing my hand signals, particularly if the sun is in the wrong location. Save your money. ...Blitz Byron M. Fox Mill Valley, CA Nanchang CJ-6A N221YK 415-307-2405 = == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == ==




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