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1. 12:12 AM - Re: Re: Canopy tint (Oliver Neufert)
2. 12:12 AM - Re: More Petrel Stuff (Oliver Neufert)
3. 01:07 AM - gloves (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
4. 02:23 AM - Re: Tinted perspex? (Brian Lloyd)
5. 02:25 AM - Re: Re: Canopy tint (Brian Lloyd)
6. 02:32 AM - Re: More Petrel Stuff (Brian Lloyd)
7. 02:54 AM - Re: Tinted perspex? (Stuart Mackereth)
8. 05:22 AM - Re: Tinted perspex? (Ron Davis)
9. 05:38 AM - Re: Tinted perspex? (A. Dennis Savarese)
10. 06:29 AM - air conditioning / heating (Walt Fricke)
11. 06:35 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 11/25/03 (John W Finley)
12. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 11/25/03 (A. Dennis Savarese)
13. 07:03 AM - Re: air conditioning / heating (A. Dennis Savarese)
14. 07:19 AM - I've taken a different approach. I'm trying Lexan. 100% UV (Jim Bernier)
15. 09:38 AM - Re: More Petrel Stuff (Michael Di Marco)
16. 09:45 AM - Re: More Petrel Stuff (Michael Di Marco)
17. 10:08 AM - Re: I've taken a different approach. I'm trying (Oliver Neufert)
18. 10:34 AM - Sounds of freedom on Thanksgiving Eve. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
19. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: Canopy tint (Jorgen Nielsen)
20. 11:31 AM - Re: More Petrel Stuff (Jorgen Nielsen)
21. 01:08 PM - Re: More Petrel Stuff (Ron Davis)
22. 03:05 PM - Re: More Petrel Stuff (Jon Boede)
23. 06:03 PM - Re: More Petrel Stuff (Michael Di Marco)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert <oliver.neufert@wanadoo.fr>
And if you have to use the umbrella as a parachute, the yellow spots will
ad to your safety too...
At 09:20 AM 11/26/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
>
>Jorgen
>
>If the pink umbrella has yellow spots, I'm all in!
>Re - site gauges - fairly keen.. Any idea on cost?
>Stuart
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Canopy tint
>
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
>--> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
>Hey Stuart
>
>I have a pretty little pink umbrella that my daughter doesn't use
>anymore. Maybe you can rig it and it can double up as a sight gauge?
>After flight you can hang it upside down under the cowl to catch all the
>oil. Should just hook straight on. Airwear will do a matching flight
>suit.
>
>Seriously, on the issue of flight gauges, I am getting a guy at FAWB to
>reverse engineer my sight gauge and build one for Findlay. Mine was
>built some time back as a one-off. There may be some ecomony of scale
>if you also want one? And Gary?
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert Starnes
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Yak-List: Re: Canopy tint
>
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
>
>We have found that the automotive style "peel and
>stick" style sun shields work great. Baby supply
>stores sell them so that you can position them on car
>door windows to protect infants.Usually @8 inch by
>12inch. You may also be able to find them at a
>department store or auto parts store. Made out of some
>sort of mylar I think, seems to use static electricity
>to stick, there is no messy adhesive on it.
>Slap one up on the inside of your canopy and see if
>that works for you. As a bonus you can move it around
>as needed.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: More Petrel Stuff |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert <oliver.neufert@wanadoo.fr>
If this refers to a sea sparrow, the closest pronounciation would be, in
Mandarin - Hi Yen
Cantonese - Hoi Yin
Good luck with the controllers, let's hope they don't meet you with the men
in white suits after landing...
Oliver.
At 08:40 AM 11/25/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
>
>If the CJ-6A is as much a Petrel as a T6 is a Texan or P51 a Mustang,
>etc., etc., why don't we use that as our aircraft type in the call
>sign? Sure it is a matter of choice, but ever get a controller to
>understand "Nanchang" on the first try? And we need not start the "just
>call yourself a Yak" arguement.
>
>Another way at it might be the Chinese word for Petrel. It may sound more
>warbirdish and be easy to understand over the radio. Anyone no what
>Petrel is in Mandirin or Hokien or Cantonese or any of the other
>provincial dialects?
>
>Mike in
>China Blue
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark@yakuk.com>
have you ever thought why USAF have grey or white helmets and green gloves
or
RAF, green helmets and white gloves.
think about it for a moment...........
hope that helps :>))
.............more mature" do have our problems looking
thru our canopy glare and into leads canopy (with it's glare) and correctly
reading the hand signals. I almost hesitate to suggest it since I'm new to
formation flying, but wouldn't a bright colored glove help in this
department, especially with us newbies, who are scared spitless that we will
miss a hand signal? Several times, All I have seen is a bit of movement in
a green on green environment. To simple of a fix?
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| Subject: | Re: Tinted perspex? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Stuart Mackereth wrote:
> I have incidentally found some other product which is apparantly
> totally clear, and yet is 100% effective in cutting out UV rays.
Please share the info.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Oliver Neufert wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert <oliver.neufert@wanadoo.fr>
>
> And if you have to use the umbrella as a parachute, the yellow spots will
> ad to your safety too...
Is this brolly FAA/PMA approved? If not, it may not become a stardard part of
the aircraft's equipment. People have died from unapproved brollies. Be safe!
Use only FAA/PMA-approved parts in your aircraft!
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: More Petrel Stuff |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Oliver Neufert wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert <oliver.neufert@wanadoo.fr>
>
> If this refers to a sea sparrow, the closest pronounciation would be, in
> Mandarin - Hi Yen
> Cantonese - Hoi Yin
>
> Good luck with the controllers, let's hope they don't meet you with the men
> in white suits after landing...
Hi Yen,
Hi Yen,
It's only flown by men,
With mauve flight suits
and "Softie" chutes,
Hi Yen,
Hi Yen.
(Apologies to Walt Disney)
(The challenge is for more verses now boys!)
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
Will do .. As soon as it is real...
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Stuart Mackereth wrote:
> I have incidentally found some other product which is apparantly
> totally clear, and yet is 100% effective in cutting out UV rays.
Please share the info.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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| Subject: | Re: Tinted perspex? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Glass is clear and blocks UV. It is difficult to form into compound curves
though. Blocking UV will stop the sunburn, but doesn't do anything for the
temperature problem since heat is at the other end of the visible spectrum.
Is there a market for a CJ air conditioner?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tinted perspex?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth"
<stuart@bramptonyork.com>
>
> Thanks to all for the comments re the tinted perspex. I have
> incidentally found some other product which is apparantly totally clear,
> and yet is 100% effective in cutting out UV rays. Sounds too good to be
> true... but I'll be looking into it anyway.
>
> Thanks
> Stuart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sapp
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tinted perspex?
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> My 2 Cents worth,
> Having flown both clear and tinted I would have to agree that the tinted
> is not a cure for stopping the loss of hide during a long flight.
> However I do believe that the tinted glass lessens this to some small
> and most likely immeasurable degree. I have had this discussion many
> times with the owner of Gee Bee Canopies who makes the canopies for the
> Glassairs, Glasstars, and also my CJ6A canopies (all with the same
> "std." tint). He tells me that originally the main reason for the
> tinted canopies was to reduce heat in the cockpit, to lessen the effects
> of the sun's UV on the pilot and his gear, and to minimize the eye
> strain on the part of the pilot. All good reasons for installing tinted
> when the time comes. Those of us (and I include myself here) that are
> becoming "more mature" do have our problems looking thru our canopy
> glare and into leads canopy (with it's glare) and correctly reading the
> hand signals. I almost hesitate to suggest it since I'm new to
> formation flying, but wouldn't a bright colored glove help in this
> department, especially with us newbies, who are scared spitless that we
> will miss a hand signal? Several times, All I have seen is a bit of
> movement in a green on green environment. To simple of a fix?
>
> Always yakin,
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> ByronMFox@aol.com
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tinted perspex?
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 11/25/03 3:35:16 AM, brian@lloyd.com writes:
>
>
> > The tinted glass doesn't even help that much
> >
> I concur with Brian. My CJ has significantly tinted US glass. There's
> no
> noticable benefit, and often in formation wingmen have difficulty seeing
> my hand
> signals, particularly if the sun is in the wrong location. Save your
> money.
> ...Blitz
>
> Byron M. Fox
> Mill Valley, CA
> Nanchang CJ-6A
> N221YK
> 415-307-2405
>
>
> > ==
> direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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> ==
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| Subject: | Re: Tinted perspex? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
We offer an optional 2-160 air conditioning system for CJ's and YAK 52's.
It is similar to the 4-60 air conditioner that many of us "older" guys had
on our automobiles in the late 50's and 60's. I'm sure you remember it.
"4 windows and 60 miles per hour"? The newest model, 2-160 works even
better than its predecessor. I offer it as "standard" equipment with all
overhauled YAK 52's.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tinted perspex?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> Glass is clear and blocks UV. It is difficult to form into compound curves
> though. Blocking UV will stop the sunburn, but doesn't do anything for
the
> temperature problem since heat is at the other end of the visible
spectrum.
> Is there a market for a CJ air conditioner?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tinted perspex?
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth"
> <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
> >
> > Thanks to all for the comments re the tinted perspex. I have
> > incidentally found some other product which is apparantly totally clear,
> > and yet is 100% effective in cutting out UV rays. Sounds too good to be
> > true... but I'll be looking into it anyway.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Stuart
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sapp
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tinted perspex?
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> >
> > My 2 Cents worth,
> > Having flown both clear and tinted I would have to agree that the tinted
> > is not a cure for stopping the loss of hide during a long flight.
> > However I do believe that the tinted glass lessens this to some small
> > and most likely immeasurable degree. I have had this discussion many
> > times with the owner of Gee Bee Canopies who makes the canopies for the
> > Glassairs, Glasstars, and also my CJ6A canopies (all with the same
> > "std." tint). He tells me that originally the main reason for the
> > tinted canopies was to reduce heat in the cockpit, to lessen the effects
> > of the sun's UV on the pilot and his gear, and to minimize the eye
> > strain on the part of the pilot. All good reasons for installing tinted
> > when the time comes. Those of us (and I include myself here) that are
> > becoming "more mature" do have our problems looking thru our canopy
> > glare and into leads canopy (with it's glare) and correctly reading the
> > hand signals. I almost hesitate to suggest it since I'm new to
> > formation flying, but wouldn't a bright colored glove help in this
> > department, especially with us newbies, who are scared spitless that we
> > will miss a hand signal? Several times, All I have seen is a bit of
> > movement in a green on green environment. To simple of a fix?
> >
> > Always yakin,
> > Doug
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> > ByronMFox@aol.com
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tinted perspex?
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 11/25/03 3:35:16 AM, brian@lloyd.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > The tinted glass doesn't even help that much
> > >
> > I concur with Brian. My CJ has significantly tinted US glass. There's
> > no
> > noticable benefit, and often in formation wingmen have difficulty seeing
> > my hand
> > signals, particularly if the sun is in the wrong location. Save your
> > money.
> > ...Blitz
> >
> > Byron M. Fox
> > Mill Valley, CA
> > Nanchang CJ-6A
> > N221YK
> > 415-307-2405
> >
> >
> > > ==
> > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> > ==
> > ==
> > ==
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | air conditioning / heating |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
The "Armstrong" heater on the other hand, does not work as well in a tandem seating
arangement.
"A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net> wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by: "A.
Dennis Savarese"
We offer an optional 2-160 air conditioning system for CJ's and YAK 52's.
It is similar to the 4-60 air conditioner that many of us "older" guys had
on our automobiles in the late 50's and 60's. I'm sure you remember it.
"4 windows and 60 miles per hour"? The newest model, 2-160 works even
better than its predecessor. I offer it as "standard" equipment with all
overhauled YAK 52's.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Davis"
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tinted perspex?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis"
>
> Glass is clear and blocks UV. It is difficult to form into compound curves
> though. Blocking UV will stop the sunburn, but doesn't do anything for
the
> temperature problem since heat is at the other end of the visible
spectrum.
> Is there a market for a CJ air conditioner?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart Mackereth"
> To:
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tinted perspex?
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth"
>
> >
> > Thanks to all for the comments re the tinted perspex. I have
> > incidentally found some other product which is apparantly totally clear,
> > and yet is 100% effective in cutting out UV rays. Sounds too good to be
> > true... but I'll be looking into it anyway.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Stuart
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sapp
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tinted perspex?
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp"
> >
> > My 2 Cents worth,
> > Having flown both clear and tinted I would have to agree that the tinted
> > is not a cure for stopping the loss of hide during a long flight.
> > However I do believe that the tinted glass lessens this to some small
> > and most likely immeasurable degree. I have had this discussion many
> > times with the owner of Gee Bee Canopies who makes the canopies for the
> > Glassairs, Glasstars, and also my CJ6A canopies (all with the same
> > "std." tint). He tells me that originally the main reason for the
> > tinted canopies was to reduce heat in the cockpit, to lessen the effects
> > of the sun's UV on the pilot and his gear, and to minimize the eye
> > strain on the part of the pilot. All good reasons for installing tinted
> > when the time comes. Those of us (and I include myself here) that are
> > becoming "more mature" do have our problems looking thru our canopy
> > glare and into leads canopy (with it's glare) and correctly reading the
> > hand signals. I almost hesitate to suggest it since I'm new to
> > formation flying, but wouldn't a bright colored glove help in this
> > department, especially with us newbies, who are scared spitless that we
> > will miss a hand signal? Several times, All I have seen is a bit of
> > movement in a green on green environment. To simple of a fix?
> >
> > Always yakin,
> > Doug
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> > ByronMFox@aol.com
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tinted perspex?
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 11/25/03 3:35:16 AM, brian@lloyd.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > The tinted glass doesn't even help that much
> > >
> > I concur with Brian. My CJ has significantly tinted US glass. There's
> > no
> > noticable benefit, and often in formation wingmen have difficulty seeing
> > my hand
> > signals, particularly if the sun is in the wrong location. Save your
> > money.
> > ...Blitz
> >
> > Byron M. Fox
> > Mill Valley, CA
> > Nanchang CJ-6A
> > N221YK
> > 415-307-2405
> >
> >
> > > ==
> > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> > ==
> > ==
> > ==
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 11/25/03 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: John W Finley <finleycj6@juno.com>
RE: Tinted Glass
I spoke to an Oculist about the UV400 coating that is applied to eye
glasses. It is a simple dip process for the eye glasses, but would
require the removal of the canopy to "dip" in the solution. This would be
impractical, but there must be a way to apply the coating without
sacrificing optical clarity and breaking the bank. Anyone that has
eyeglasses knows that the coating is almost colorless, but gives up to
100% UV protection..............something to think about.....John
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 11/25/03 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Heck, instead of removing the canopy, let's just ship the whole airplane to
them and have them turn it upside down and dip the canopy! :-)
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "John W Finley" <finleycj6@juno.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 11/25/03
> --> Yak-List message posted by: John W Finley <finleycj6@juno.com>
>
> RE: Tinted Glass
> I spoke to an Oculist about the UV400 coating that is applied to eye
> glasses. It is a simple dip process for the eye glasses, but would
> require the removal of the canopy to "dip" in the solution. This would be
> impractical, but there must be a way to apply the coating without
> sacrificing optical clarity and breaking the bank. Anyone that has
> eyeglasses knows that the coating is almost colorless, but gives up to
> 100% UV protection..............something to think about.....John
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: air conditioning / heating |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Correct Walt.....that's because it was a HEATER only with no reverse cycle
capabilities for air conditioning. That's why it didn't work for tandem
seating, but worked well for side by side seating. If it did have reverse
cycle capabilities for air conditioning, then it would have worked
significantly better in tandem seat arrangements.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walt Fricke" <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
Subject: Yak-List: air conditioning / heating
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
>
> The "Armstrong" heater on the other hand, does not work as well in a
tandem seating arangement.
>
> "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net> wrote:--> Yak-List message posted
by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
>
> We offer an optional 2-160 air conditioning system for CJ's and YAK 52's.
> It is similar to the 4-60 air conditioner that many of us "older" guys had
> on our automobiles in the late 50's and 60's. I'm sure you remember it.
> "4 windows and 60 miles per hour"? The newest model, 2-160 works even
> better than its predecessor. I offer it as "standard" equipment with all
> overhauled YAK 52's.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Davis"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tinted perspex?
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis"
> >
> > Glass is clear and blocks UV. It is difficult to form into compound
curves
> > though. Blocking UV will stop the sunburn, but doesn't do anything for
> the
> > temperature problem since heat is at the other end of the visible
> spectrum.
> > Is there a market for a CJ air conditioner?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stuart Mackereth"
> > To:
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tinted perspex?
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth"
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks to all for the comments re the tinted perspex. I have
> > > incidentally found some other product which is apparantly totally
clear,
> > > and yet is 100% effective in cutting out UV rays. Sounds too good to
be
> > > true... but I'll be looking into it anyway.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sapp
> > > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tinted perspex?
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp"
> > >
> > > My 2 Cents worth,
> > > Having flown both clear and tinted I would have to agree that the
tinted
> > > is not a cure for stopping the loss of hide during a long flight.
> > > However I do believe that the tinted glass lessens this to some small
> > > and most likely immeasurable degree. I have had this discussion many
> > > times with the owner of Gee Bee Canopies who makes the canopies for
the
> > > Glassairs, Glasstars, and also my CJ6A canopies (all with the same
> > > "std." tint). He tells me that originally the main reason for the
> > > tinted canopies was to reduce heat in the cockpit, to lessen the
effects
> > > of the sun's UV on the pilot and his gear, and to minimize the eye
> > > strain on the part of the pilot. All good reasons for installing
tinted
> > > when the time comes. Those of us (and I include myself here) that are
> > > becoming "more mature" do have our problems looking thru our canopy
> > > glare and into leads canopy (with it's glare) and correctly reading
the
> > > hand signals. I almost hesitate to suggest it since I'm new to
> > > formation flying, but wouldn't a bright colored glove help in this
> > > department, especially with us newbies, who are scared spitless that
we
> > > will miss a hand signal? Several times, All I have seen is a bit of
> > > movement in a green on green environment. To simple of a fix?
> > >
> > > Always yakin,
> > > Doug
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> > > ByronMFox@aol.com
> > > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tinted perspex?
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 11/25/03 3:35:16 AM, brian@lloyd.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > The tinted glass doesn't even help that much
> > > >
> > > I concur with Brian. My CJ has significantly tinted US glass. There's
> > > no
> > > noticable benefit, and often in formation wingmen have difficulty
seeing
> > > my hand
> > > signals, particularly if the sun is in the wrong location. Save your
> > > money.
> > > ...Blitz
> > >
> > > Byron M. Fox
> > > Mill Valley, CA
> > > Nanchang CJ-6A
> > > N221YK
> > > 415-307-2405
> > >
> > >
> > > > ==
> > > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> > > ==
> > > ==
> > > ==
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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protection, 1/8.inch.thick@matronics.com,
won't.crack@matronics.com
| Subject: | I've taken a different approach. I'm trying Lexan. 100% UV |
protection, 1/8 inch thick, won't crack,
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
I've taken a different approach. I'm trying Lexan. 100% UV protection, 1/8 inch
thick, won't crack, clear, shatter proof, won't yellow and has memory (smart
plastic). I removed the front three sheetsfrom the plane and brought them to the
shop. They copied them as flat pieces. I've pre-curved them during the summer
in the Texas oven, my attic. If it works, great. If not I'm out only $150.
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| Subject: | Re: More Petrel Stuff |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
Oh my, what did I start?
My contribution below
Mike Di Marco in
China Blue
Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd
Oliver Neufert wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert
>
> If this refers to a sea sparrow, the closest pronounciation would be, in
> Mandarin - Hi Yen
> Cantonese - Hoi Yin
>
> Good luck with the controllers, let's hope they don't meet you with the men
> in white suits after landing...
Hi Yen,
Hi Yen,
It's only flown by men,
With mauve flight suits
and "Softie" chutes,
Hi Yen,
Hi Yen.
(Apologies to Walt Disney)
(The challenge is for more verses now boys!)
Hi Yen,
Hi Yen,
Commie warbird for a fin,
With cockpit noise
that's not for boys
Hi Yen,
Hi Yen.
--
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brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
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| Subject: | Re: More Petrel Stuff |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
Hi Yen has fewer syllables than Experimental or November and easier to understand
than Nanchang. Petrel sounds like petrol (and until last month I never heard
of a Petrel). Hi Yen it is then.
Thanks (Che Che Nee),
Mike in
China Blue
Oliver Neufert <oliver.neufert@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert
If this refers to a sea sparrow, the closest pronounciation would be, in
Mandarin - Hi Yen
Cantonese - Hoi Yin
Good luck with the controllers, let's hope they don't meet you with the men
in white suits after landing...
Oliver.
At 08:40 AM 11/25/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
>
>If the CJ-6A is as much a Petrel as a T6 is a Texan or P51 a Mustang,
>etc., etc., why don't we use that as our aircraft type in the call
>sign? Sure it is a matter of choice, but ever get a controller to
>understand "Nanchang" on the first try? And we need not start the "just
>call yourself a Yak" arguement.
>
>Another way at it might be the Chinese word for Petrel. It may sound more
>warbirdish and be easy to understand over the radio. Anyone no what
>Petrel is in Mandirin or Hokien or Cantonese or any of the other
>provincial dialects?
>
>Mike in
>China Blue
>
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1/8.inch.thick@matronics.com, won't.crack@matronics.com
| Subject: | Re: I've taken a different approach. I'm trying |
Lexan. 100% UV protection, 1/8 inch thick, won't crack,
--> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert <oliver.neufert@wanadoo.fr> Lexan.
100% UV protection, 1/8 inch thick, won't crack,
PC (GE's trade name "Lexan") is actually great (ever tried to destroy a
CD?), but it has a drawback: it is very easy to scratch (at least easier
than the usual PMMA i.e. "perspex")
For automotive applications (headlights etc) we have been using a clear
UV-cure anti-scratch lacquer on the PC lens, which is relatively easy to
apply (you just pour it on the outside face, relatively because you will
see absolutely ANY defect in your paint-job since it's on a clear surface
right in front of your face) but very messy to cure (dust-free environment,
high-power UV-lamps, high temperatures) plus I'm not sure this type of
lacquer is readily available in DIY shops, I'm not in this field anymore.
The one we used was made by BASF but I think Red Spot has something similar.
So if you use the Lexan "as is", be very gentle to it when washing the dead
mosquitoes off your canopy. Also Lexan can't be polished like perspex once
it's scratched.
Oliver
At 09:18 AM 11/26/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
>
>I've taken a different approach. I'm trying Lexan. 100% UV protection, 1/8
>inch thick, won't crack, clear, shatter proof, won't yellow and has memory
>(smart plastic). I removed the front three sheetsfrom the plane and
>brought them to the shop. They copied them as flat pieces. I've pre-curved
>them during the summer in the Texas oven, my attic. If it works, great. If
>not I'm out only $150.
>
>
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| Subject: | Sounds of freedom on Thanksgiving Eve. |
keith.goolsby@eds.com, gaf127enl@msn.com, MDSHELLEY@aol.com,
yakjock@msn.com, walterfricke@yahoo.com, finleycj6@juno.com,
BDorsey777@aol.com, dabear@damned.org, tcalloway@datatechnique.com,
mason.t@worldnet.att.net, wpairprt@tdstelme.net, radialpower@cox.net,
FamilyGage@aol.com, rvfltd@televar.com, cd001633@mindspring.com,
ernest.martinez@oracle.com, FOUGAPILOT@aol.com, N23GD@yahoo.com,
jtobul@tobul.com, KILOUSMC@aol.com
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
As I set here on this Thanksgiving Eve, I hear an intermittent booming noise
that reverberates though the ground and rattles my hangar windows slightly.
21 nm to my SSW is R-2910 and the old bulldozers, trucks, and buses that
serve as targets there, are catching hell from the Navy or Marines right now.
Despite the slight delay in what ones is doing at the moment to register where
the commotion came from, for me it is a reassuring sound. Our boys (and maybe
a
girl or two) are practicing the art of war.
So as I'm about to have 52 members of my family for dinner (yes Charlotte 52)
tomorrow, I'll mention those practicing today in our meal prayer tomorrow.
Do the same please.
God bless yawl. Have a happy Thanksgiving.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
I will let you know - gave it to the guy today.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
Mackereth
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Canopy tint
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
Jorgen
If the pink umbrella has yellow spots, I'm all in!
Re - site gauges - fairly keen.. Any idea on cost?
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Canopy tint
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
--> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Hey Stuart
I have a pretty little pink umbrella that my daughter doesn't use
anymore. Maybe you can rig it and it can double up as a sight gauge?
After flight you can hang it upside down under the cowl to catch all the
oil. Should just hook straight on. Airwear will do a matching flight
suit.
Seriously, on the issue of flight gauges, I am getting a guy at FAWB to
reverse engineer my sight gauge and build one for Findlay. Mine was
built some time back as a one-off. There may be some ecomony of scale
if you also want one? And Gary?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert Starnes
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Canopy tint
--> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
We have found that the automotive style "peel and
stick" style sun shields work great. Baby supply
stores sell them so that you can position them on car
door windows to protect infants.Usually @8 inch by
12inch. You may also be able to find them at a
department store or auto parts store. Made out of some
sort of mylar I think, seems to use static electricity
to stick, there is no messy adhesive on it.
Slap one up on the inside of your canopy and see if
that works for you. As a bonus you can move it around
as needed.
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| Subject: | More Petrel Stuff |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Or try...
Hi Yen,
Hi Yen,
It's only flown by men,
With mauve flight suits
and sequinned boots,
Hi Yen,
Hi Yen.
Hi Yen,
Hi Yen,
Up we go again,
To fight with rudders,
And hang like udders,
Hi Yen,
Hi Yen.
Jorgen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael Di
Marco
Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff
--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
Oh my, what did I start?
My contribution below
Mike Di Marco in
China Blue
Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd
Oliver Neufert wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert
>
> If this refers to a sea sparrow, the closest pronounciation would be, in
> Mandarin - Hi Yen
> Cantonese - Hoi Yin
>
> Good luck with the controllers, let's hope they don't meet you with the
men
> in white suits after landing...
Hi Yen,
Hi Yen,
It's only flown by men,
With mauve flight suits
and "Softie" chutes,
Hi Yen,
Hi Yen.
(Apologies to Walt Disney)
(The challenge is for more verses now boys!)
Hi Yen,
Hi Yen,
Commie warbird for a fin,
With cockpit noise
that's not for boys
Hi Yen,
Hi Yen.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| Subject: | Re: More Petrel Stuff |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Petrel is shorter than experimental, but don't forget about FAR 91.319
(d)(3) which requires you to notify the tower that your plane is
experimental.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Di Marco" <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
<cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Yen has fewer syllables than Experimental or November and easier to
understand than Nanchang. Petrel sounds like petrol (and until last month I
never heard of a Petrel). Hi Yen it is then.
>
> Thanks (Che Che Nee),
> Mike in
> China Blue
>
> Oliver Neufert <oliver.neufert@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert
>
> If this refers to a sea sparrow, the closest pronounciation would be, in
> Mandarin - Hi Yen
> Cantonese - Hoi Yin
>
> Good luck with the controllers, let's hope they don't meet you with the
men
> in white suits after landing...
>
> Oliver.
>
>
> At 08:40 AM 11/25/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
> >
> >If the CJ-6A is as much a Petrel as a T6 is a Texan or P51 a Mustang,
> >etc., etc., why don't we use that as our aircraft type in the call
> >sign? Sure it is a matter of choice, but ever get a controller to
> >understand "Nanchang" on the first try? And we need not start the "just
> >call yourself a Yak" arguement.
> >
> >Another way at it might be the Chinese word for Petrel. It may sound more
> >warbirdish and be easy to understand over the radio. Anyone no what
> >Petrel is in Mandirin or Hokien or Cantonese or any of the other
> >provincial dialects?
> >
> >Mike in
> >China Blue
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: More Petrel Stuff |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
I have a good friend who's both a controller and a pilot. He's remarked
that any controller worth his or her salt wants to know WHAT you are more
than they want to know HOW YOU'RE CERTIFICATED.
To that end, I file CJ6 for my type on flight plans and use that for
flight following (the FAA's computer knows what a CJ6 is -- the flight
plan filer on DUATS knows the FAA's list of types because it's TIED INTO
their list... quite handy). I've taken to referring to myself as
"Nanchang, November 3 6 Charlie Juliet" on the initial callup and have
discovered to my great pleasure that: a) controllers are in fact trainable
-- some of them will forever more use "Nanchang" after talking to you just
once; b) good controllers are curious and will ask you plenty of
questions, especially if they've got nothing better to do; :-) c)
controllers train each other -- after only about 8 months of saying what I
really am, nearly all the controllers in Central Texas say "Nanchang" as
readily as they say "Bonanza".
Note that I put the "November" in there since my initial experience
suggested that controllers were thinking that I was making up my own word
for the N in N36CJ if I said "Nanchang 3 6 Charlie Juliet".
To meet the FAR, I usually add ", experimental" at the end on the initial
contact with a tower. Why just the tower??
I find that the phrase, "It's kind-of a Chinese T-34" seems to provide
sufficient enlightenment to any controller asking "What's a CJ6," or,
"What's a Nanchang?"
The L-39 is a little different... to snap whomever out of thinking "RV-6"
when they hear "experiemental" I make all my initial callups as
"Experimental Jet, Albatros 1 0 7 Zulu Alpha," even on the CTAF. This
seems to pre-empt the surprise controllers exhibit when the "experimental"
they were going to get to -- oh, in a minute -- accelerates to a 280 knot
ground speed, making for the (nearest, of course) edge of their airspace.
I had to actually circle back into one guy's sector so that he could
finish what he was doing with the computer. Mama mia! %-)
Jon
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> Petrel is shorter than experimental, but don't forget about FAR 91.319
> (d)(3) which requires you to notify the tower that your plane is
> experimental.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Di Marco" <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
> <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Hi Yen has fewer syllables than Experimental or November and easier to
> understand than Nanchang. Petrel sounds like petrol (and until last
> month I never heard of a Petrel). Hi Yen it is then.
>>
>> Thanks (Che Che Nee),
>> Mike in
>> China Blue
>>
>> Oliver Neufert <oliver.neufert@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert
>>
>> If this refers to a sea sparrow, the closest pronounciation would be,
>> in Mandarin - Hi Yen
>> Cantonese - Hoi Yin
>>
>> Good luck with the controllers, let's hope they don't meet you with
>> the
> men
>> in white suits after landing...
>>
>> Oliver.
>>
>>
>> At 08:40 AM 11/25/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>> >--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
>> >
>> >If the CJ-6A is as much a Petrel as a T6 is a Texan or P51 a Mustang,
>> etc., etc., why don't we use that as our aircraft type in the call
>> sign? Sure it is a matter of choice, but ever get a controller to
>> understand "Nanchang" on the first try? And we need not start the
>> "just call yourself a Yak" arguement.
>> >
>> >Another way at it might be the Chinese word for Petrel. It may sound
>> more warbirdish and be easy to understand over the radio. Anyone no
>> what Petrel is in Mandirin or Hokien or Cantonese or any of the other
>> provincial dialects?
>> >
>> >Mike in
>> >China Blue
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
Yes, thanks.
Mike
Ron Davis <l39parts@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis"
Petrel is shorter than experimental, but don't forget about FAR 91.319
(d)(3) which requires you to notify the tower that your plane is
experimental.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Di Marco"
Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
>
> Hi Yen has fewer syllables than Experimental or November and easier to
understand than Nanchang. Petrel sounds like petrol (and until last month I
never heard of a Petrel). Hi Yen it is then.
>
> Thanks (Che Che Nee),
> Mike in
> China Blue
>
> Oliver Neufert wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert
>
> If this refers to a sea sparrow, the closest pronounciation would be, in
> Mandarin - Hi Yen
> Cantonese - Hoi Yin
>
> Good luck with the controllers, let's hope they don't meet you with the
men
> in white suits after landing...
>
> Oliver.
>
>
> At 08:40 AM 11/25/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
> >
> >If the CJ-6A is as much a Petrel as a T6 is a Texan or P51 a Mustang,
> >etc., etc., why don't we use that as our aircraft type in the call
> >sign? Sure it is a matter of choice, but ever get a controller to
> >understand "Nanchang" on the first try? And we need not start the "just
> >call yourself a Yak" arguement.
> >
> >Another way at it might be the Chinese word for Petrel. It may sound more
> >warbirdish and be easy to understand over the radio. Anyone no what
> >Petrel is in Mandirin or Hokien or Cantonese or any of the other
> >provincial dialects?
> >
> >Mike in
> >China Blue
> >
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