---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/26/03: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:12 AM - Re: Re: Canopy tint (Oliver Neufert) 2. 12:12 AM - Re: More Petrel Stuff (Oliver Neufert) 3. 01:07 AM - gloves (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd) 4. 02:23 AM - Re: Tinted perspex? (Brian Lloyd) 5. 02:25 AM - Re: Re: Canopy tint (Brian Lloyd) 6. 02:32 AM - Re: More Petrel Stuff (Brian Lloyd) 7. 02:54 AM - Re: Tinted perspex? (Stuart Mackereth) 8. 05:22 AM - Re: Tinted perspex? (Ron Davis) 9. 05:38 AM - Re: Tinted perspex? (A. Dennis Savarese) 10. 06:29 AM - air conditioning / heating (Walt Fricke) 11. 06:35 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 11/25/03 (John W Finley) 12. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 11/25/03 (A. Dennis Savarese) 13. 07:03 AM - Re: air conditioning / heating (A. Dennis Savarese) 14. 07:19 AM - I've taken a different approach. I'm trying Lexan. 100% UV (Jim Bernier) 15. 09:38 AM - Re: More Petrel Stuff (Michael Di Marco) 16. 09:45 AM - Re: More Petrel Stuff (Michael Di Marco) 17. 10:08 AM - Re: I've taken a different approach. I'm trying (Oliver Neufert) 18. 10:34 AM - Sounds of freedom on Thanksgiving Eve. (cjpilot710@aol.com) 19. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: Canopy tint (Jorgen Nielsen) 20. 11:31 AM - Re: More Petrel Stuff (Jorgen Nielsen) 21. 01:08 PM - Re: More Petrel Stuff (Ron Davis) 22. 03:05 PM - Re: More Petrel Stuff (Jon Boede) 23. 06:03 PM - Re: More Petrel Stuff (Michael Di Marco) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:28 AM PST US From: Oliver Neufert Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Canopy tint --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert And if you have to use the umbrella as a parachute, the yellow spots will ad to your safety too... At 09:20 AM 11/26/2003 +0200, you wrote: >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" > >Jorgen > >If the pink umbrella has yellow spots, I'm all in! >Re - site gauges - fairly keen.. Any idea on cost? >Stuart > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen >To: yak-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Canopy tint > > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" >--> > >Hey Stuart > >I have a pretty little pink umbrella that my daughter doesn't use >anymore. Maybe you can rig it and it can double up as a sight gauge? >After flight you can hang it upside down under the cowl to catch all the >oil. Should just hook straight on. Airwear will do a matching flight >suit. > >Seriously, on the issue of flight gauges, I am getting a guy at FAWB to >reverse engineer my sight gauge and build one for Findlay. Mine was >built some time back as a one-off. There may be some ecomony of scale >if you also want one? And Gary? > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert Starnes >To: yak-list@matronics.com >Subject: Yak-List: Re: Canopy tint > > >--> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes > >We have found that the automotive style "peel and >stick" style sun shields work great. Baby supply >stores sell them so that you can position them on car >door windows to protect infants.Usually @8 inch by >12inch. You may also be able to find them at a >department store or auto parts store. Made out of some >sort of mylar I think, seems to use static electricity >to stick, there is no messy adhesive on it. >Slap one up on the inside of your canopy and see if >that works for you. As a bonus you can move it around >as needed. > > >__________________________________ >Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now >http://companion.yahoo.com/ > > >>== >direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. >== >== >== > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:28 AM PST US From: Oliver Neufert Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert If this refers to a sea sparrow, the closest pronounciation would be, in Mandarin - Hi Yen Cantonese - Hoi Yin Good luck with the controllers, let's hope they don't meet you with the men in white suits after landing... Oliver. At 08:40 AM 11/25/2003 -0800, you wrote: >--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco > >If the CJ-6A is as much a Petrel as a T6 is a Texan or P51 a Mustang, >etc., etc., why don't we use that as our aircraft type in the call >sign? Sure it is a matter of choice, but ever get a controller to >understand "Nanchang" on the first try? And we need not start the "just >call yourself a Yak" arguement. > >Another way at it might be the Chinese word for Petrel. It may sound more >warbirdish and be easy to understand over the radio. Anyone no what >Petrel is in Mandirin or Hokien or Cantonese or any of the other >provincial dialects? > >Mike in >China Blue > > >--------------------------------- >Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:07:07 AM PST US From: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" Subject: Yak-List: gloves --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" have you ever thought why USAF have grey or white helmets and green gloves or RAF, green helmets and white gloves. think about it for a moment........... hope that helps :>)) .............more mature" do have our problems looking thru our canopy glare and into leads canopy (with it's glare) and correctly reading the hand signals. I almost hesitate to suggest it since I'm new to formation flying, but wouldn't a bright colored glove help in this department, especially with us newbies, who are scared spitless that we will miss a hand signal? Several times, All I have seen is a bit of movement in a green on green environment. To simple of a fix? ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:22 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd Stuart Mackereth wrote: > I have incidentally found some other product which is apparantly > totally clear, and yet is 100% effective in cutting out UV rays. Please share the info. -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax GMT-4 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:25 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Canopy tint --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd Oliver Neufert wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert > > And if you have to use the umbrella as a parachute, the yellow spots will > ad to your safety too... Is this brolly FAA/PMA approved? If not, it may not become a stardard part of the aircraft's equipment. People have died from unapproved brollies. Be safe! Use only FAA/PMA-approved parts in your aircraft! -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax GMT-4 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:41 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd Oliver Neufert wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert > > If this refers to a sea sparrow, the closest pronounciation would be, in > Mandarin - Hi Yen > Cantonese - Hoi Yin > > Good luck with the controllers, let's hope they don't meet you with the men > in white suits after landing... Hi Yen, Hi Yen, It's only flown by men, With mauve flight suits and "Softie" chutes, Hi Yen, Hi Yen. (Apologies to Walt Disney) (The challenge is for more verses now boys!) -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax GMT-4 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:07 AM PST US From: "Stuart Mackereth" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" Will do .. As soon as it is real... --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd Stuart Mackereth wrote: > I have incidentally found some other product which is apparantly > totally clear, and yet is 100% effective in cutting out UV rays. Please share the info. -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax GMT-4 = == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:55 AM PST US From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" Glass is clear and blocks UV. It is difficult to form into compound curves though. Blocking UV will stop the sunburn, but doesn't do anything for the temperature problem since heat is at the other end of the visible spectrum. Is there a market for a CJ air conditioner? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Mackereth" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" > > Thanks to all for the comments re the tinted perspex. I have > incidentally found some other product which is apparantly totally clear, > and yet is 100% effective in cutting out UV rays. Sounds too good to be > true... but I'll be looking into it anyway. > > Thanks > Stuart > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sapp > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" > > My 2 Cents worth, > Having flown both clear and tinted I would have to agree that the tinted > is not a cure for stopping the loss of hide during a long flight. > However I do believe that the tinted glass lessens this to some small > and most likely immeasurable degree. I have had this discussion many > times with the owner of Gee Bee Canopies who makes the canopies for the > Glassairs, Glasstars, and also my CJ6A canopies (all with the same > "std." tint). He tells me that originally the main reason for the > tinted canopies was to reduce heat in the cockpit, to lessen the effects > of the sun's UV on the pilot and his gear, and to minimize the eye > strain on the part of the pilot. All good reasons for installing tinted > when the time comes. Those of us (and I include myself here) that are > becoming "more mature" do have our problems looking thru our canopy > glare and into leads canopy (with it's glare) and correctly reading the > hand signals. I almost hesitate to suggest it since I'm new to > formation flying, but wouldn't a bright colored glove help in this > department, especially with us newbies, who are scared spitless that we > will miss a hand signal? Several times, All I have seen is a bit of > movement in a green on green environment. To simple of a fix? > > Always yakin, > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > ByronMFox@aol.com > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com > > > In a message dated 11/25/03 3:35:16 AM, brian@lloyd.com writes: > > > > The tinted glass doesn't even help that much > > > I concur with Brian. My CJ has significantly tinted US glass. There's > no > noticable benefit, and often in formation wingmen have difficulty seeing > my hand > signals, particularly if the sun is in the wrong location. Save your > money. > ...Blitz > > Byron M. Fox > Mill Valley, CA > Nanchang CJ-6A > N221YK > 415-307-2405 > > > > == > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. > == > == > == > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:02 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" We offer an optional 2-160 air conditioning system for CJ's and YAK 52's. It is similar to the 4-60 air conditioner that many of us "older" guys had on our automobiles in the late 50's and 60's. I'm sure you remember it. "4 windows and 60 miles per hour"? The newest model, 2-160 works even better than its predecessor. I offer it as "standard" equipment with all overhauled YAK 52's. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" > > Glass is clear and blocks UV. It is difficult to form into compound curves > though. Blocking UV will stop the sunburn, but doesn't do anything for the > temperature problem since heat is at the other end of the visible spectrum. > Is there a market for a CJ air conditioner? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart Mackereth" > To: > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" > > > > > Thanks to all for the comments re the tinted perspex. I have > > incidentally found some other product which is apparantly totally clear, > > and yet is 100% effective in cutting out UV rays. Sounds too good to be > > true... but I'll be looking into it anyway. > > > > Thanks > > Stuart > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sapp > > To: yak-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" > > > > My 2 Cents worth, > > Having flown both clear and tinted I would have to agree that the tinted > > is not a cure for stopping the loss of hide during a long flight. > > However I do believe that the tinted glass lessens this to some small > > and most likely immeasurable degree. I have had this discussion many > > times with the owner of Gee Bee Canopies who makes the canopies for the > > Glassairs, Glasstars, and also my CJ6A canopies (all with the same > > "std." tint). He tells me that originally the main reason for the > > tinted canopies was to reduce heat in the cockpit, to lessen the effects > > of the sun's UV on the pilot and his gear, and to minimize the eye > > strain on the part of the pilot. All good reasons for installing tinted > > when the time comes. Those of us (and I include myself here) that are > > becoming "more mature" do have our problems looking thru our canopy > > glare and into leads canopy (with it's glare) and correctly reading the > > hand signals. I almost hesitate to suggest it since I'm new to > > formation flying, but wouldn't a bright colored glove help in this > > department, especially with us newbies, who are scared spitless that we > > will miss a hand signal? Several times, All I have seen is a bit of > > movement in a green on green environment. To simple of a fix? > > > > Always yakin, > > Doug > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > > ByronMFox@aol.com > > To: yak-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com > > > > > > In a message dated 11/25/03 3:35:16 AM, brian@lloyd.com writes: > > > > > > > The tinted glass doesn't even help that much > > > > > I concur with Brian. My CJ has significantly tinted US glass. There's > > no > > noticable benefit, and often in formation wingmen have difficulty seeing > > my hand > > signals, particularly if the sun is in the wrong location. Save your > > money. > > ...Blitz > > > > Byron M. Fox > > Mill Valley, CA > > Nanchang CJ-6A > > N221YK > > 415-307-2405 > > > > > > > == > > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > == > > == > > == > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:07 AM PST US From: Walt Fricke Subject: Yak-List: air conditioning / heating --> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke The "Armstrong" heater on the other hand, does not work as well in a tandem seating arangement. "A. Dennis Savarese" wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" We offer an optional 2-160 air conditioning system for CJ's and YAK 52's. It is similar to the 4-60 air conditioner that many of us "older" guys had on our automobiles in the late 50's and 60's. I'm sure you remember it. "4 windows and 60 miles per hour"? The newest model, 2-160 works even better than its predecessor. I offer it as "standard" equipment with all overhauled YAK 52's. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" > > Glass is clear and blocks UV. It is difficult to form into compound curves > though. Blocking UV will stop the sunburn, but doesn't do anything for the > temperature problem since heat is at the other end of the visible spectrum. > Is there a market for a CJ air conditioner? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart Mackereth" > To: > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" > > > > > Thanks to all for the comments re the tinted perspex. I have > > incidentally found some other product which is apparantly totally clear, > > and yet is 100% effective in cutting out UV rays. Sounds too good to be > > true... but I'll be looking into it anyway. > > > > Thanks > > Stuart > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sapp > > To: yak-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" > > > > My 2 Cents worth, > > Having flown both clear and tinted I would have to agree that the tinted > > is not a cure for stopping the loss of hide during a long flight. > > However I do believe that the tinted glass lessens this to some small > > and most likely immeasurable degree. I have had this discussion many > > times with the owner of Gee Bee Canopies who makes the canopies for the > > Glassairs, Glasstars, and also my CJ6A canopies (all with the same > > "std." tint). He tells me that originally the main reason for the > > tinted canopies was to reduce heat in the cockpit, to lessen the effects > > of the sun's UV on the pilot and his gear, and to minimize the eye > > strain on the part of the pilot. All good reasons for installing tinted > > when the time comes. Those of us (and I include myself here) that are > > becoming "more mature" do have our problems looking thru our canopy > > glare and into leads canopy (with it's glare) and correctly reading the > > hand signals. I almost hesitate to suggest it since I'm new to > > formation flying, but wouldn't a bright colored glove help in this > > department, especially with us newbies, who are scared spitless that we > > will miss a hand signal? Several times, All I have seen is a bit of > > movement in a green on green environment. To simple of a fix? > > > > Always yakin, > > Doug > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > > ByronMFox@aol.com > > To: yak-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com > > > > > > In a message dated 11/25/03 3:35:16 AM, brian@lloyd.com writes: > > > > > > > The tinted glass doesn't even help that much > > > > > I concur with Brian. My CJ has significantly tinted US glass. There's > > no > > noticable benefit, and often in formation wingmen have difficulty seeing > > my hand > > signals, particularly if the sun is in the wrong location. Save your > > money. > > ...Blitz > > > > Byron M. Fox > > Mill Valley, CA > > Nanchang CJ-6A > > N221YK > > 415-307-2405 > > > > > > > == > > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > == > > == > > == > > > > > > --------------------------------- Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:22 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 11/25/03 From: John W Finley --> Yak-List message posted by: John W Finley RE: Tinted Glass I spoke to an Oculist about the UV400 coating that is applied to eye glasses. It is a simple dip process for the eye glasses, but would require the removal of the canopy to "dip" in the solution. This would be impractical, but there must be a way to apply the coating without sacrificing optical clarity and breaking the bank. Anyone that has eyeglasses knows that the coating is almost colorless, but gives up to 100% UV protection..............something to think about.....John ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:34 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 11/25/03 --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" Heck, instead of removing the canopy, let's just ship the whole airplane to them and have them turn it upside down and dip the canopy! :-) Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W Finley" Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 11/25/03 > --> Yak-List message posted by: John W Finley > > RE: Tinted Glass > I spoke to an Oculist about the UV400 coating that is applied to eye > glasses. It is a simple dip process for the eye glasses, but would > require the removal of the canopy to "dip" in the solution. This would be > impractical, but there must be a way to apply the coating without > sacrificing optical clarity and breaking the bank. Anyone that has > eyeglasses knows that the coating is almost colorless, but gives up to > 100% UV protection..............something to think about.....John > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:17 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: air conditioning / heating --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" Correct Walt.....that's because it was a HEATER only with no reverse cycle capabilities for air conditioning. That's why it didn't work for tandem seating, but worked well for side by side seating. If it did have reverse cycle capabilities for air conditioning, then it would have worked significantly better in tandem seat arrangements. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walt Fricke" Subject: Yak-List: air conditioning / heating > --> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke > > The "Armstrong" heater on the other hand, does not work as well in a tandem seating arangement. > > "A. Dennis Savarese" wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" > > We offer an optional 2-160 air conditioning system for CJ's and YAK 52's. > It is similar to the 4-60 air conditioner that many of us "older" guys had > on our automobiles in the late 50's and 60's. I'm sure you remember it. > "4 windows and 60 miles per hour"? The newest model, 2-160 works even > better than its predecessor. I offer it as "standard" equipment with all > overhauled YAK 52's. > Dennis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Davis" > To: > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" > > > > Glass is clear and blocks UV. It is difficult to form into compound curves > > though. Blocking UV will stop the sunburn, but doesn't do anything for > the > > temperature problem since heat is at the other end of the visible > spectrum. > > Is there a market for a CJ air conditioner? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stuart Mackereth" > > To: > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? > > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" > > > > > > > > Thanks to all for the comments re the tinted perspex. I have > > > incidentally found some other product which is apparantly totally clear, > > > and yet is 100% effective in cutting out UV rays. Sounds too good to be > > > true... but I'll be looking into it anyway. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Stuart > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sapp > > > To: yak-list@matronics.com > > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? > > > > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" > > > > > > My 2 Cents worth, > > > Having flown both clear and tinted I would have to agree that the tinted > > > is not a cure for stopping the loss of hide during a long flight. > > > However I do believe that the tinted glass lessens this to some small > > > and most likely immeasurable degree. I have had this discussion many > > > times with the owner of Gee Bee Canopies who makes the canopies for the > > > Glassairs, Glasstars, and also my CJ6A canopies (all with the same > > > "std." tint). He tells me that originally the main reason for the > > > tinted canopies was to reduce heat in the cockpit, to lessen the effects > > > of the sun's UV on the pilot and his gear, and to minimize the eye > > > strain on the part of the pilot. All good reasons for installing tinted > > > when the time comes. Those of us (and I include myself here) that are > > > becoming "more mature" do have our problems looking thru our canopy > > > glare and into leads canopy (with it's glare) and correctly reading the > > > hand signals. I almost hesitate to suggest it since I'm new to > > > formation flying, but wouldn't a bright colored glove help in this > > > department, especially with us newbies, who are scared spitless that we > > > will miss a hand signal? Several times, All I have seen is a bit of > > > movement in a green on green environment. To simple of a fix? > > > > > > Always yakin, > > > Doug > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > > > ByronMFox@aol.com > > > To: yak-list@matronics.com > > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tinted perspex? > > > > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/25/03 3:35:16 AM, brian@lloyd.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > The tinted glass doesn't even help that much > > > > > > > I concur with Brian. My CJ has significantly tinted US glass. There's > > > no > > > noticable benefit, and often in formation wingmen have difficulty seeing > > > my hand > > > signals, particularly if the sun is in the wrong location. Save your > > > money. > > > ...Blitz > > > > > > Byron M. Fox > > > Mill Valley, CA > > > Nanchang CJ-6A > > > N221YK > > > 415-307-2405 > > > > > > > > > > == > > > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > > == > > > == > > > == > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:29 AM PST US From: "Jim Bernier" protection, 1/8.inch.thick@matronics.com, won't.crack@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: I've taken a different approach. I'm trying Lexan. 100% UV protection, 1/8 inch thick, won't crack, --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" I've taken a different approach. I'm trying Lexan. 100% UV protection, 1/8 inch thick, won't crack, clear, shatter proof, won't yellow and has memory (smart plastic). I removed the front three sheetsfrom the plane and brought them to the shop. They copied them as flat pieces. I've pre-curved them during the summer in the Texas oven, my attic. If it works, great. If not I'm out only $150. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:56 AM PST US From: Michael Di Marco Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco Oh my, what did I start? My contribution below Mike Di Marco in China Blue Brian Lloyd wrote: --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd Oliver Neufert wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert > > If this refers to a sea sparrow, the closest pronounciation would be, in > Mandarin - Hi Yen > Cantonese - Hoi Yin > > Good luck with the controllers, let's hope they don't meet you with the men > in white suits after landing... Hi Yen, Hi Yen, It's only flown by men, With mauve flight suits and "Softie" chutes, Hi Yen, Hi Yen. (Apologies to Walt Disney) (The challenge is for more verses now boys!) Hi Yen, Hi Yen, Commie warbird for a fin, With cockpit noise that's not for boys Hi Yen, Hi Yen. -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax GMT-4 --------------------------------- Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:59 AM PST US From: Michael Di Marco Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco Hi Yen has fewer syllables than Experimental or November and easier to understand than Nanchang. Petrel sounds like petrol (and until last month I never heard of a Petrel). Hi Yen it is then. Thanks (Che Che Nee), Mike in China Blue Oliver Neufert wrote: --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert If this refers to a sea sparrow, the closest pronounciation would be, in Mandarin - Hi Yen Cantonese - Hoi Yin Good luck with the controllers, let's hope they don't meet you with the men in white suits after landing... Oliver. At 08:40 AM 11/25/2003 -0800, you wrote: >--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco > >If the CJ-6A is as much a Petrel as a T6 is a Texan or P51 a Mustang, >etc., etc., why don't we use that as our aircraft type in the call >sign? Sure it is a matter of choice, but ever get a controller to >understand "Nanchang" on the first try? And we need not start the "just >call yourself a Yak" arguement. > >Another way at it might be the Chinese word for Petrel. It may sound more >warbirdish and be easy to understand over the radio. Anyone no what >Petrel is in Mandirin or Hokien or Cantonese or any of the other >provincial dialects? > >Mike in >China Blue > > >--------------------------------- >Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > --------------------------------- Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:03 AM PST US From: Oliver Neufert Lexan. 100% UV protection, 1/8.inch.thick@matronics.com, won't.crack@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: I've taken a different approach. I'm trying Lexan. 100% UV protection, 1/8 inch thick, won't crack, --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert Lexan. 100% UV protection, 1/8 inch thick, won't crack, PC (GE's trade name "Lexan") is actually great (ever tried to destroy a CD?), but it has a drawback: it is very easy to scratch (at least easier than the usual PMMA i.e. "perspex") For automotive applications (headlights etc) we have been using a clear UV-cure anti-scratch lacquer on the PC lens, which is relatively easy to apply (you just pour it on the outside face, relatively because you will see absolutely ANY defect in your paint-job since it's on a clear surface right in front of your face) but very messy to cure (dust-free environment, high-power UV-lamps, high temperatures) plus I'm not sure this type of lacquer is readily available in DIY shops, I'm not in this field anymore. The one we used was made by BASF but I think Red Spot has something similar. So if you use the Lexan "as is", be very gentle to it when washing the dead mosquitoes off your canopy. Also Lexan can't be polished like perspex once it's scratched. Oliver At 09:18 AM 11/26/2003 -0600, you wrote: >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" > >I've taken a different approach. I'm trying Lexan. 100% UV protection, 1/8 >inch thick, won't crack, clear, shatter proof, won't yellow and has memory >(smart plastic). I removed the front three sheetsfrom the plane and >brought them to the shop. They copied them as flat pieces. I've pre-curved >them during the summer in the Texas oven, my attic. If it works, great. If >not I'm out only $150. > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:16 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: Sounds of freedom on Thanksgiving Eve. keith.goolsby@eds.com, gaf127enl@msn.com, MDSHELLEY@aol.com, yakjock@msn.com, walterfricke@yahoo.com, finleycj6@juno.com, BDorsey777@aol.com, dabear@damned.org, tcalloway@datatechnique.com, mason.t@worldnet.att.net, wpairprt@tdstelme.net, radialpower@cox.net, FamilyGage@aol.com, rvfltd@televar.com, cd001633@mindspring.com, ernest.martinez@oracle.com, FOUGAPILOT@aol.com, N23GD@yahoo.com, jtobul@tobul.com, KILOUSMC@aol.com --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com As I set here on this Thanksgiving Eve, I hear an intermittent booming noise that reverberates though the ground and rattles my hangar windows slightly. 21 nm to my SSW is R-2910 and the old bulldozers, trucks, and buses that serve as targets there, are catching hell from the Navy or Marines right now. Despite the slight delay in what ones is doing at the moment to register where the commotion came from, for me it is a reassuring sound. Our boys (and maybe a girl or two) are practicing the art of war. So as I'm about to have 52 members of my family for dinner (yes Charlotte 52) tomorrow, I'll mention those practicing today in our meal prayer tomorrow. Do the same please. God bless yawl. Have a happy Thanksgiving. Jim Goolsby "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" Benjamin Franklin 1759 "With my shield, or on it" Trojan Warriors BC "The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes until some woman stomps all over them." Unknown older man. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:58 AM PST US From: "Jorgen Nielsen" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Canopy tint --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" I will let you know - gave it to the guy today. -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Mackereth Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Canopy tint --> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" Jorgen If the pink umbrella has yellow spots, I'm all in! Re - site gauges - fairly keen.. Any idea on cost? Stuart -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Canopy tint --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" --> Hey Stuart I have a pretty little pink umbrella that my daughter doesn't use anymore. Maybe you can rig it and it can double up as a sight gauge? After flight you can hang it upside down under the cowl to catch all the oil. Should just hook straight on. Airwear will do a matching flight suit. Seriously, on the issue of flight gauges, I am getting a guy at FAWB to reverse engineer my sight gauge and build one for Findlay. Mine was built some time back as a one-off. There may be some ecomony of scale if you also want one? And Gary? -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert Starnes Subject: Yak-List: Re: Canopy tint --> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes We have found that the automotive style "peel and stick" style sun shields work great. Baby supply stores sell them so that you can position them on car door windows to protect infants.Usually @8 inch by 12inch. You may also be able to find them at a department store or auto parts store. Made out of some sort of mylar I think, seems to use static electricity to stick, there is no messy adhesive on it. Slap one up on the inside of your canopy and see if that works for you. As a bonus you can move it around as needed. __________________________________ Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ = == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:54 AM PST US From: "Jorgen Nielsen" Subject: RE: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" Or try... Hi Yen, Hi Yen, It's only flown by men, With mauve flight suits and sequinned boots, Hi Yen, Hi Yen. Hi Yen, Hi Yen, Up we go again, To fight with rudders, And hang like udders, Hi Yen, Hi Yen. Jorgen -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael Di Marco Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco Oh my, what did I start? My contribution below Mike Di Marco in China Blue Brian Lloyd wrote: --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd Oliver Neufert wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert > > If this refers to a sea sparrow, the closest pronounciation would be, in > Mandarin - Hi Yen > Cantonese - Hoi Yin > > Good luck with the controllers, let's hope they don't meet you with the men > in white suits after landing... Hi Yen, Hi Yen, It's only flown by men, With mauve flight suits and "Softie" chutes, Hi Yen, Hi Yen. (Apologies to Walt Disney) (The challenge is for more verses now boys!) Hi Yen, Hi Yen, Commie warbird for a fin, With cockpit noise that's not for boys Hi Yen, Hi Yen. -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax GMT-4 --------------------------------- Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:12 PM PST US From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" Petrel is shorter than experimental, but don't forget about FAR 91.319 (d)(3) which requires you to notify the tower that your plane is experimental. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Di Marco" Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff > --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco > > Hi Yen has fewer syllables than Experimental or November and easier to understand than Nanchang. Petrel sounds like petrol (and until last month I never heard of a Petrel). Hi Yen it is then. > > Thanks (Che Che Nee), > Mike in > China Blue > > Oliver Neufert wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert > > If this refers to a sea sparrow, the closest pronounciation would be, in > Mandarin - Hi Yen > Cantonese - Hoi Yin > > Good luck with the controllers, let's hope they don't meet you with the men > in white suits after landing... > > Oliver. > > > At 08:40 AM 11/25/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco > > > >If the CJ-6A is as much a Petrel as a T6 is a Texan or P51 a Mustang, > >etc., etc., why don't we use that as our aircraft type in the call > >sign? Sure it is a matter of choice, but ever get a controller to > >understand "Nanchang" on the first try? And we need not start the "just > >call yourself a Yak" arguement. > > > >Another way at it might be the Chinese word for Petrel. It may sound more > >warbirdish and be easy to understand over the radio. Anyone no what > >Petrel is in Mandirin or Hokien or Cantonese or any of the other > >provincial dialects? > > > >Mike in > >China Blue > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff From: "Jon Boede" --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" I have a good friend who's both a controller and a pilot. He's remarked that any controller worth his or her salt wants to know WHAT you are more than they want to know HOW YOU'RE CERTIFICATED. To that end, I file CJ6 for my type on flight plans and use that for flight following (the FAA's computer knows what a CJ6 is -- the flight plan filer on DUATS knows the FAA's list of types because it's TIED INTO their list... quite handy). I've taken to referring to myself as "Nanchang, November 3 6 Charlie Juliet" on the initial callup and have discovered to my great pleasure that: a) controllers are in fact trainable -- some of them will forever more use "Nanchang" after talking to you just once; b) good controllers are curious and will ask you plenty of questions, especially if they've got nothing better to do; :-) c) controllers train each other -- after only about 8 months of saying what I really am, nearly all the controllers in Central Texas say "Nanchang" as readily as they say "Bonanza". Note that I put the "November" in there since my initial experience suggested that controllers were thinking that I was making up my own word for the N in N36CJ if I said "Nanchang 3 6 Charlie Juliet". To meet the FAR, I usually add ", experimental" at the end on the initial contact with a tower. Why just the tower?? I find that the phrase, "It's kind-of a Chinese T-34" seems to provide sufficient enlightenment to any controller asking "What's a CJ6," or, "What's a Nanchang?" The L-39 is a little different... to snap whomever out of thinking "RV-6" when they hear "experiemental" I make all my initial callups as "Experimental Jet, Albatros 1 0 7 Zulu Alpha," even on the CTAF. This seems to pre-empt the surprise controllers exhibit when the "experimental" they were going to get to -- oh, in a minute -- accelerates to a 280 knot ground speed, making for the (nearest, of course) edge of their airspace. I had to actually circle back into one guy's sector so that he could finish what he was doing with the computer. Mama mia! %-) Jon > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" > > Petrel is shorter than experimental, but don't forget about FAR 91.319 > (d)(3) which requires you to notify the tower that your plane is > experimental. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Di Marco" > To: > Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff > > >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco > >> >> Hi Yen has fewer syllables than Experimental or November and easier to > understand than Nanchang. Petrel sounds like petrol (and until last > month I never heard of a Petrel). Hi Yen it is then. >> >> Thanks (Che Che Nee), >> Mike in >> China Blue >> >> Oliver Neufert wrote: >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert >> >> If this refers to a sea sparrow, the closest pronounciation would be, >> in Mandarin - Hi Yen >> Cantonese - Hoi Yin >> >> Good luck with the controllers, let's hope they don't meet you with >> the > men >> in white suits after landing... >> >> Oliver. >> >> >> At 08:40 AM 11/25/2003 -0800, you wrote: >> >--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco >> > >> >If the CJ-6A is as much a Petrel as a T6 is a Texan or P51 a Mustang, >> etc., etc., why don't we use that as our aircraft type in the call >> sign? Sure it is a matter of choice, but ever get a controller to >> understand "Nanchang" on the first try? And we need not start the >> "just call yourself a Yak" arguement. >> > >> >Another way at it might be the Chinese word for Petrel. It may sound >> more warbirdish and be easy to understand over the radio. Anyone no >> what Petrel is in Mandirin or Hokien or Cantonese or any of the other >> provincial dialects? >> > >> >Mike in >> >China Blue ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:35 PM PST US From: Michael Di Marco Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco Yes, thanks. Mike Ron Davis wrote: --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" Petrel is shorter than experimental, but don't forget about FAR 91.319 (d)(3) which requires you to notify the tower that your plane is experimental. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Di Marco" Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff > --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco > > Hi Yen has fewer syllables than Experimental or November and easier to understand than Nanchang. Petrel sounds like petrol (and until last month I never heard of a Petrel). Hi Yen it is then. > > Thanks (Che Che Nee), > Mike in > China Blue > > Oliver Neufert wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert > > If this refers to a sea sparrow, the closest pronounciation would be, in > Mandarin - Hi Yen > Cantonese - Hoi Yin > > Good luck with the controllers, let's hope they don't meet you with the men > in white suits after landing... > > Oliver. > > > At 08:40 AM 11/25/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco > > > >If the CJ-6A is as much a Petrel as a T6 is a Texan or P51 a Mustang, > >etc., etc., why don't we use that as our aircraft type in the call > >sign? Sure it is a matter of choice, but ever get a controller to > >understand "Nanchang" on the first try? And we need not start the "just > >call yourself a Yak" arguement. > > > >Another way at it might be the Chinese word for Petrel. It may sound more > >warbirdish and be easy to understand over the radio. Anyone no what > >Petrel is in Mandirin or Hokien or Cantonese or any of the other > >provincial dialects? > > > >Mike in > >China Blue > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > --------------------------------- Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now