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1. 04:35 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 11/26/03 (PSalter@aol.com)
2. 06:34 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 11/26/03 (Brian Lloyd)
3. 06:45 AM - Why a Yak? (V35B)
4. 09:13 AM - Why a Yak? YES, Buy a Yak because they great, economical aircraft to own !!!!! That is WHY (Mark Schrick)
5. 12:54 PM - Help - oil pressure (Jorgen Nielsen)
6. 05:20 PM - data plate (Jon Boede)
7. 07:11 PM - Re: Help - oil pressure (Wes Warner)
8. 07:36 PM - Re: Why a Yak? (A. Dennis Savarese)
9. 07:58 PM - Re: data plate (A. Dennis Savarese)
10. 08:04 PM - Re: More Petrel Stuff (Ron Davis)
11. 08:11 PM - Re: data plate (Jim Selby)
12. 08:25 PM - Paint Schemes (Dennis Von Ruden)
13. 08:28 PM - Re: data plate (Ron Davis)
14. 10:38 PM - Re: Why a Yak? (Jim Duffy)
15. 11:24 PM - Re: Help - oil pressure (Harry Hirschman)
16. 11:54 PM - Re: Help - oil pressure (Jorgen Nielsen)
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 11/26/03 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: PSalter@aol.com
Hi Yen Hi Yen
There they go agin
Those Nanchang guys
worry to demise
while Yaks will always
own the skies
Phil
Yak 52
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 11/26/03 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
PSalter@aol.com wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: PSalter@aol.com
>
> Hi Yen
> Hi Yen
> There they go agin
> Those Nanchang guys
> worry to demise
> while Yaks will always own the skies
Thanks Phil. It takes you Yak-52 guys a bit longer to get started but we know
you will eventually come around! :
)
All kidding aside, thanks for joining in on the fun!
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "V35B" <n1628w@hotmail.com>
Hey Folks,
I currently own a V35B Bonanza, but am looking into ownership of a
warbird. I have looked at T34s, a Nanchang, a Pilatus P3, and The Yak
52.
I went to visit Marty Dofka last week and he had a Yak 52 in for annual.
Very nice plane with very few hours TT.
My question is how are the 52s as far as reliability? How about the
stock 360hp engine? What are the areas of concern and pitfalls of
ownership? Also what are the pluses besides inexpensive to own?
BTW, I am selling my Bonanza of anyone is interested in a fast cross
country machine...
Regards
Mike
http://www-home.cr.duq.edu/~mermigas
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| Subject: | Why a Yak? YES, Buy a Yak because they great, economical aircraft |
to own !!!!! That is WHY
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Since you are on the East Coast, Call George Coy at GESOCO Industry for
straight forward answers to all your Yak 52 questions you may have. He has
several Yak 52's in stock and can help you find that PERFECT YAK 52 to meet
your budget or needs.
GESOCO Industries
% George Coy
(802) 868-5633
george@gesoco.com
Swanton, VT airport
Great guy and has the most knowledge of anyone in USA about Yak's.
Good luck and YES, sell that Bonanza and start having FUN !!!!!!!!
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
YAK DRIVER, Inc
Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW
Fully Restored Yaks "We can meet anyones budget!!!
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, Ca 95120-1848
Hm/Fax 408-323-5150
Cell 408-391-6664
Email schrick@pacbell.net
Website www.YAKDRIVER.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of V35B
Subject: Yak-List: Why a Yak?
--> Yak-List message posted by: "V35B" <n1628w@hotmail.com>
Hey Folks,
I currently own a V35B Bonanza, but am looking into ownership of a
warbird. I have looked at T34s, a Nanchang, a Pilatus P3, and The Yak
52.
I went to visit Marty Dofka last week and he had a Yak 52 in for annual.
Very nice plane with very few hours TT.
My question is how are the 52s as far as reliability? How about the
stock 360hp engine? What are the areas of concern and pitfalls of
ownership? Also what are the pluses besides inexpensive to own?
BTW, I am selling my Bonanza of anyone is interested in a fast cross
country machine...
Regards
Mike
http://www-home.cr.duq.edu/~mermigas
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| Subject: | Help - oil pressure |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> Help required, #$%#%$ pressure problems again...
>
> Earlier this year my Yak-52 dropped oil pressure while doing acro. The
> fix by my mechanic was to re-adjust the pressure, and all was well again.
> He did hook up an external gauge as well to check things out.
>
> Oil pressure has been constant since, with no problems experienced. At
> the time I felt a little misgiving, in terms of something must have caused
> it to drop - the adjustment screw did not back itself out.
>
> Anyway, yesterday, the same thing happened again. I just just completed a
> half-loop and levelled off inverted. Checking down (or should that be
> up?) at the ASI, I scanned the instruments and saw the oil pressure just
> at the bottom of the yellow. Rolled level, rechecked, cycled pitch, no
> change, so headed back for the airport. Pressure was constant throughout
> (no fluctuation), but low. I don't want to simply turn up the adjustment
> again, there must be something wrong somewhere. Any ideas? Anyone have
> this before?
>
> Thanks
> Jorgen
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
Reading FAR 21.182 it seems like experimental aircraft that aren't amateur
built don't need a data plate.
Anybody have any experience or an opinion on whether you need one on a
warbird?
I told my friend that unless there was a really good reason NOT to put one
one, I'd go ahead and do it anyway, but it's still an interesting
question.
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Help - oil pressure |
Mail-Followup-To: Wes Warner <ufo@outerlimits.org>,
--> Yak-List message posted by: Wes Warner <ufo@outerlimits.org>
What quantity of oil do you have in the tank before you start doing acro? I
have noticed that in my plane (Yak 55m) 9 liters works best. However, the
Interavia I have been flying lately needs more like 12 Liters otherwise the
pressure drops and the prop (MTV-9) starts to increase pitch.
HTH,
Wes
On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 10:52:10PM +0200, Jorgen Nielsen wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
>
> > Help required, #$%#%$ pressure problems again...
> >
> > Earlier this year my Yak-52 dropped oil pressure while doing acro. The
> > fix by my mechanic was to re-adjust the pressure, and all was well again.
> > He did hook up an external gauge as well to check things out.
> >
> > Oil pressure has been constant since, with no problems experienced. At
> > the time I felt a little misgiving, in terms of something must have caused
> > it to drop - the adjustment screw did not back itself out.
> >
> > Anyway, yesterday, the same thing happened again. I just just completed a
> > half-loop and levelled off inverted. Checking down (or should that be
> > up?) at the ASI, I scanned the instruments and saw the oil pressure just
> > at the bottom of the yellow. Rolled level, rechecked, cycled pitch, no
> > change, so headed back for the airport. Pressure was constant throughout
> > (no fluctuation), but low. I don't want to simply turn up the adjustment
> > again, there must be something wrong somewhere. Any ideas? Anyone have
> > this before?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jorgen
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
You've never been lost until you've been lost at Mach 3.
(Paul F. Crickmore - test pilot)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Contact me off list or better still, give me a call and I'll be glad to
answer any and all of your questions concerning the Yak 52.
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-2141 office
334-546-8182 cell
www.yak-52.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "V35B" <n1628w@hotmail.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Why a Yak?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "V35B" <n1628w@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> I currently own a V35B Bonanza, but am looking into ownership of a
> warbird. I have looked at T34s, a Nanchang, a Pilatus P3, and The Yak
> 52.
>
> I went to visit Marty Dofka last week and he had a Yak 52 in for annual.
> Very nice plane with very few hours TT.
>
> My question is how are the 52s as far as reliability? How about the
> stock 360hp engine? What are the areas of concern and pitfalls of
> ownership? Also what are the pluses besides inexpensive to own?
>
> BTW, I am selling my Bonanza of anyone is interested in a fast cross
> country machine...
>
> Regards
>
> Mike
>
> http://www-home.cr.duq.edu/~mermigas
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
I would suggest you don't try to get an airworthiness certificate without
one on the airplane. I'm pretty sure you'll find and FAA inspector or DAR
unwilling to issue one without a data plate.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
Subject: Yak-List: data plate
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> Reading FAR 21.182 it seems like experimental aircraft that aren't amateur
> built don't need a data plate.
>
> Anybody have any experience or an opinion on whether you need one on a
> warbird?
>
> I told my friend that unless there was a really good reason NOT to put one
> one, I'd go ahead and do it anyway, but it's still an interesting
> question.
>
> Jon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: More Petrel Stuff |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
I agree. The controllers are most interested in the planes performance and
how it fits into their flow, and CJs fit in with the certificated prop
planes quite well. The Albatros is best described as experimental jet.
I've called myself albatros to center and then had them ask me what an
albatros was doing at 24,000 feet. Around the gulf most albatroses are of
Grumman manufacture.
As to the why question: I've never been good at them. The FAR requires us
to tell the tower on initial call and I tell the first guy I talk to. The
reg doesn't say anything about telling the other tower guys or notifying
departure, center, or approach. It can't hurt, but if you don't tell them
you haven't violated any reg.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> I have a good friend who's both a controller and a pilot. He's remarked
> that any controller worth his or her salt wants to know WHAT you are more
> than they want to know HOW YOU'RE CERTIFICATED.
>
> To that end, I file CJ6 for my type on flight plans and use that for
> flight following (the FAA's computer knows what a CJ6 is -- the flight
> plan filer on DUATS knows the FAA's list of types because it's TIED INTO
> their list... quite handy). I've taken to referring to myself as
> "Nanchang, November 3 6 Charlie Juliet" on the initial callup and have
> discovered to my great pleasure that: a) controllers are in fact trainable
> -- some of them will forever more use "Nanchang" after talking to you just
> once; b) good controllers are curious and will ask you plenty of
> questions, especially if they've got nothing better to do; :-) c)
> controllers train each other -- after only about 8 months of saying what I
> really am, nearly all the controllers in Central Texas say "Nanchang" as
> readily as they say "Bonanza".
>
> Note that I put the "November" in there since my initial experience
> suggested that controllers were thinking that I was making up my own word
> for the N in N36CJ if I said "Nanchang 3 6 Charlie Juliet".
>
> To meet the FAR, I usually add ", experimental" at the end on the initial
> contact with a tower. Why just the tower??
>
> I find that the phrase, "It's kind-of a Chinese T-34" seems to provide
> sufficient enlightenment to any controller asking "What's a CJ6," or,
> "What's a Nanchang?"
>
> The L-39 is a little different... to snap whomever out of thinking "RV-6"
> when they hear "experiemental" I make all my initial callups as
> "Experimental Jet, Albatros 1 0 7 Zulu Alpha," even on the CTAF. This
> seems to pre-empt the surprise controllers exhibit when the "experimental"
> they were going to get to -- oh, in a minute -- accelerates to a 280 knot
> ground speed, making for the (nearest, of course) edge of their airspace.
> I had to actually circle back into one guy's sector so that he could
> finish what he was doing with the computer. Mama mia! %-)
>
> Jon
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Petrel is shorter than experimental, but don't forget about FAR 91.319
> > (d)(3) which requires you to notify the tower that your plane is
> > experimental.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Di Marco" <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff
> >
> >
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
> > <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >> Hi Yen has fewer syllables than Experimental or November and easier to
> > understand than Nanchang. Petrel sounds like petrol (and until last
> > month I never heard of a Petrel). Hi Yen it is then.
> >>
> >> Thanks (Che Che Nee),
> >> Mike in
> >> China Blue
> >>
> >> Oliver Neufert <oliver.neufert@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert
> >>
> >> If this refers to a sea sparrow, the closest pronounciation would be,
> >> in Mandarin - Hi Yen
> >> Cantonese - Hoi Yin
> >>
> >> Good luck with the controllers, let's hope they don't meet you with
> >> the
> > men
> >> in white suits after landing...
> >>
> >> Oliver.
> >>
> >>
> >> At 08:40 AM 11/25/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >> >--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
> >> >
> >> >If the CJ-6A is as much a Petrel as a T6 is a Texan or P51 a Mustang,
> >> etc., etc., why don't we use that as our aircraft type in the call
> >> sign? Sure it is a matter of choice, but ever get a controller to
> >> understand "Nanchang" on the first try? And we need not start the
> >> "just call yourself a Yak" arguement.
> >> >
> >> >Another way at it might be the Chinese word for Petrel. It may sound
> >> more warbirdish and be easy to understand over the radio. Anyone no
> >> what Petrel is in Mandirin or Hokien or Cantonese or any of the other
> >> provincial dialects?
> >> >
> >> >Mike in
> >> >China Blue
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" <jimscjs@mbay.net>
Data Plate
The FAA will want a data Plate put on the left rear side of the plane close
to the Tail cone, it should have Date of Manufacture, type Aircraft and S/N.
about 1 1/2x 2" riveted on the plane. this is a DEA requirement for I.D.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Subject: Re: Yak-List: data plate
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
I would suggest you don't try to get an airworthiness certificate without
one on the airplane. I'm pretty sure you'll find and FAA inspector or DAR
unwilling to issue one without a data plate.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
Subject: Yak-List: data plate
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> Reading FAR 21.182 it seems like experimental aircraft that aren't amateur
> built don't need a data plate.
>
> Anybody have any experience or an opinion on whether you need one on a
> warbird?
>
> I told my friend that unless there was a really good reason NOT to put one
> one, I'd go ahead and do it anyway, but it's still an interesting
> question.
>
> Jon
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dennis Von Ruden" <dvonruden@generalequip.com>
I am planning to paint my CJ this spring and starting the process of
developing a scheme. I notice a number of aircraft sporting a camouflage
scheme trimmed in yellow on the wing tips and vertical tail. Red stars
are then applied to the fuselage and immediately adjacent to the yellow
areas. It's an interesting mix of camo along with the boldness of the
red and yellow. Is there any factual basis for this type of scheme being
utilized in China? I've seen a number of photographs depicting CJs based
in China and the schemes really do not show any direction or
consistency. Or desire to mimic. Thanks for your help.
Dennis Von Ruden
dvonruden@generalequip.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Nothing in FAR 21 applies to experimental planes, it has the requirements
for cerification of aircraft.
Yes, you do have to have one. Order 8130.6 requires it and FAR 45.11
requires it and I think I recall one other reg mentioning it, although it
slips my mind at the moment. I'm thinking it's one of those part 91 "no
pilot shall fly...." things that is an equipment rule which is in the ops
section (like strobe lights).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
Subject: Yak-List: data plate
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> Reading FAR 21.182 it seems like experimental aircraft that aren't amateur
> built don't need a data plate.
>
> Anybody have any experience or an opinion on whether you need one on a
> warbird?
>
> I told my friend that unless there was a really good reason NOT to put one
> one, I'd go ahead and do it anyway, but it's still an interesting
> question.
>
> Jon
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Duffy" <jduffy@webpipe.net>
Mike, I am and A&P?IA and I have a 1982 Yak 52. I believe they are the best
buy out there way under priced for what you get. I have had mine for almost
a year and really like it. If you sell your Bonanza and our interested in
mine I will get you pictures and info. Basicly it has around 1000 TT and
less that 200 on engine, runs great. Has american tires and spark plugs and
transponder with encoder. Has wing tip strobes. Prop was overhauled about 50
hours ago. Has alternator conversion. Has original Russian paint and
airframe is in very good condition. I want $50,000 firm it is located in
Ogden Utan. Thanks Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "V35B" <n1628w@hotmail.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Why a Yak?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "V35B" <n1628w@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> I currently own a V35B Bonanza, but am looking into ownership of a
> warbird. I have looked at T34s, a Nanchang, a Pilatus P3, and The Yak
> 52.
>
> I went to visit Marty Dofka last week and he had a Yak 52 in for annual.
> Very nice plane with very few hours TT.
>
> My question is how are the 52s as far as reliability? How about the
> stock 360hp engine? What are the areas of concern and pitfalls of
> ownership? Also what are the pluses besides inexpensive to own?
>
> BTW, I am selling my Bonanza of anyone is interested in a fast cross
> country machine...
>
> Regards
>
> Mike
>
> http://www-home.cr.duq.edu/~mermigas
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Help - oil pressure |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Harry Hirschman <hairball192@yahoo.com>
Concur with Wes... I had low and fluctuating oil
pressure (M-14P, Interavia E-3) that I troubleshot
lots of different ways and in the end keeping the oil
quantity above 12 was all it needed.
Harry
--- Wes Warner <ufo@outerlimits.org> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Wes Warner
> <ufo@outerlimits.org>
>
> What quantity of oil do you have in the tank before
> you start doing acro? I
> have noticed that in my plane (Yak 55m) 9 liters
> works best. However, the
> Interavia I have been flying lately needs more like
> 12 Liters otherwise the
> pressure drops and the prop (MTV-9) starts to
> increase pitch.
>
> HTH,
> Wes
>
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 10:52:10PM +0200, Jorgen
> Nielsen wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> >
> >
> > > Help required, #$%#%$ pressure problems again...
> > >
> > > Earlier this year my Yak-52 dropped oil pressure
> while doing acro. The
> > > fix by my mechanic was to re-adjust the
> pressure, and all was well again.
> > > He did hook up an external gauge as well to
> check things out.
> > >
> > > Oil pressure has been constant since, with no
> problems experienced. At
> > > the time I felt a little misgiving, in terms of
> something must have caused
> > > it to drop - the adjustment screw did not back
> itself out.
> > >
> > > Anyway, yesterday, the same thing happened
> again. I just just completed a
> > > half-loop and levelled off inverted. Checking
> down (or should that be
> > > up?) at the ASI, I scanned the instruments and
> saw the oil pressure just
> > > at the bottom of the yellow. Rolled level,
> rechecked, cycled pitch, no
> > > change, so headed back for the airport.
> Pressure was constant throughout
> > > (no fluctuation), but low. I don't want to
> simply turn up the adjustment
> > > again, there must be something wrong somewhere.
> Any ideas? Anyone have
> > > this before?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Jorgen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> You've never been lost until you've been lost at
> Mach 3.
> (Paul F. Crickmore - test pilot)
>
>
>
> Click on the
> this
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Hi Wes
I start with 10 always, and after an acro flight the level has dropped to 9.
Typical flight profile is positioning to an area adjacent to airfield, then
acro till either fuel gets low or I get tired.
Thanks Jorgen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wes Warner
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Help - oil pressure
--> Yak-List message posted by: Wes Warner <ufo@outerlimits.org>
What quantity of oil do you have in the tank before you start doing acro? I
have noticed that in my plane (Yak 55m) 9 liters works best. However, the
Interavia I have been flying lately needs more like 12 Liters otherwise the
pressure drops and the prop (MTV-9) starts to increase pitch.
HTH,
Wes
On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 10:52:10PM +0200, Jorgen Nielsen wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
<jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
>
> > Help required, #$%#%$ pressure problems again...
> >
> > Earlier this year my Yak-52 dropped oil pressure while doing acro. The
> > fix by my mechanic was to re-adjust the pressure, and all was well
again.
> > He did hook up an external gauge as well to check things out.
> >
> > Oil pressure has been constant since, with no problems experienced. At
> > the time I felt a little misgiving, in terms of something must have
caused
> > it to drop - the adjustment screw did not back itself out.
> >
> > Anyway, yesterday, the same thing happened again. I just just completed
a
> > half-loop and levelled off inverted. Checking down (or should that be
> > up?) at the ASI, I scanned the instruments and saw the oil pressure just
> > at the bottom of the yellow. Rolled level, rechecked, cycled pitch, no
> > change, so headed back for the airport. Pressure was constant
throughout
> > (no fluctuation), but low. I don't want to simply turn up the
adjustment
> > again, there must be something wrong somewhere. Any ideas? Anyone have
> > this before?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jorgen
>
>
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